Finding this piece of wisdom many years after creation. I felt the need to use that quote at @2:44 about the difference between operators and machinists. Very true and powerful words for the less-wise among us to understand.
Thanks. Nothing but respect for folks like you. I remember the owner the machine shop where I worked when I was 17 years Walt Chaddock. Nothing he couldn't solve.
Dale, the angle blocks should allow cutting 120 degree quadrants for says flats on round stock to chuck in a drill for better chucking. Thanks for thinking outside the box and providing us with this method. Will come in handy.
Yes I'm a hobby machinist and even I realized the accuracy of the setup depends on the purpose of the workpiece. There are times when a combination square will do or when indicators and trig out to the fourth decimal place are a must.
Hi Dale, this is a cool trick, quick and easy, the way I like... Thanks for sharing, Pierre BTW, the production, camera work, sound and editing work is first class...!!!
What a Great Voice!!! Reminds me of that guy who use to paint those beautiful scenes. What in the heck was his name? "Lets put a little barn over here" he would say!
Other option is to bore a hole the same size is some square or hex stock etc , and put the bar in stock into vice the clamping force should clamp the bar into stock if tolerances are right. you can add a grub screw into stock to keep position when rotating. or if bar can fit into a collet you can use a collet block in vice.
Thank you for this. I always love out of the box thinking. Have angle blocks and a small mill. My dividing head is too big to use with my mill, impulse eBay buy.
If I have two strait edges and create a gap between them with light behind I can get something within at least 1 thousandth fairly easily and probably 5 tenths with a little luck. Of course this method falls apart when the strait edges are too long or too short.
I suppose a person could use and indicator to tram the part, could use some trig to calculate the desired angle. would be very time consuming. but I suppose it would be reasonably accurate
The more flutes there are the faster your feed rate can be if your taking .008 per revolution of cutter with a 2 flute each tooth has to cut .004 each If it you have a 4 flute cutter it would only be .002 per revolution This smaller chips per tooth speeds up your travel but not your rpms
never seen your vids before , But the fast foreword at the end looked like you did not square and you over cut ? ... sorry that's the way it looked... I built Boilers and heat exchanges @ B&W and Gaspars for 15 yrs Many Blessings...SMR
Thank you as I will admit you do a pretty good job and I don't want to dampen your spirits but, as a machinist of 31 years it takes alot of knowledge and experience before the term "machinist" may be used so do not give easy reference of the term please.
***** I think defining a machinist as a problem solver is great. I am a machinist on board a Navy ship, and problem solving is key when you are out to sea.
... with quadrants, you only need to turn it 180 degrees. you can do both sides without doing this 3 times to get all four... Dislike, for not thinking it through :P
That assumes that he has the vice square - from eyeing it the vice pretty clearly looks set at an angle such that the quadrants also have a bit of a scalloped side on them. With the tools he showed and the problem he referenced, I would have clamped my bar in the V-block, hung my indexer on the far side where his stop is, then inserted a few screw jacks or blocks and shims and clamp my indexer in place. For any angle you can then loosen the vice, index in your angle and tighten the vice to take the forces of the cut. Similarly since he has a lathe he could turn down the one end of the stock to the collet size of the spindexer and set it up the same way - again depending on the outcome he wants.
safety issues the ring..and long sleeves....being a grunt..and lead man..management would have rained down one you...and seen it happen....have had to go find a finger and cut someone sleeve loose and clinic time.....nice manicure...
"Us as machinists" shouldn't be working in long sleeves with rings on. I bet you even have a fancy watch on under that "work shirt". Are those rated safety glasses or just whatever the optician used when you got your prescription? You want to solve a problem? You're risking having a big bad problem working like that. Hate to come down on a person but really, if you're offering advice on machining its difficult to take seriously when you do not practice good basic safety parameters. YT a lathe accident... it gets ugly fast. For your sake and for the sake of people who come across your vids, STEP IT UP MAN.
Um.. actually the "machinist" himself, that being the person that made the video asks everyone to "follow" him at the end of damn near every video and Aku absolutely right -Mr.- -Miss- Jam. I'm sorry, may I ask you your preferred pronoun? Because you've got me totally stumped on that one.
Finding this piece of wisdom many years after creation. I felt the need to use that quote at @2:44 about the difference between operators and machinists. Very true and powerful words for the less-wise among us to understand.
Thanks. Nothing but respect for folks like you. I remember the owner the machine shop where I worked when I was 17 years Walt Chaddock. Nothing he couldn't solve.
Thanks for the comment. :-)
Thanks Dale--some good ideas in this episode. Good photography too.
Dale, the angle blocks should allow cutting 120 degree quadrants for says flats on round stock to chuck in a drill for better chucking. Thanks for thinking outside the box and providing us with this method. Will come in handy.
Yes I'm a hobby machinist and even I realized the accuracy of the setup depends on the purpose of the workpiece. There are times when a combination square will do or when indicators and trig out to the fourth decimal place are a must.
Thanks for your vids - learning a lot. Everything these days is CNC and computer. I enjoy your old school approach.
Great idea and video production Dale! Looking forward to more ideas and projects from you down here in south Idaho!
Well done.
Hi Dale, this is a cool trick, quick and easy, the way I like...
Thanks for sharing, Pierre
BTW, the production, camera work, sound and editing work is first class...!!!
Excellent quality video. Very informative and useful.
What a Great Voice!!! Reminds me of that guy who use to paint those beautiful scenes. What in the heck was his name? "Lets put a little barn over here" he would say!
LOL :-)
It's fantastic, Dale!
Thanks AXR88
Dale d
Other option is to bore a hole the same size is some square or hex stock etc , and put the bar in stock into vice the clamping force should clamp the bar into stock if tolerances are right. you can add a grub screw into stock to keep position when rotating. or if bar can fit into a collet you can use a collet block in vice.
Dang, mr.pete222 or Tubalcain watches your videos??!! Sweet I love his videos.
haha i didn't even notice! i love Tubalcain.
I like it! :)
Thank you for this. I always love out of the box thinking. Have angle blocks and a small mill. My dividing head is too big to use with my mill, impulse eBay buy.
Brian Zimmerman what kind and size of dividing head did you get?
HI Brain, I have the same problem on ebay. LOL
Longs Index Head, it has a 1.5"x8 thread for mounting a chuck. Way to big for the X2 mini mill I have.
Brian, I've got a 5c indexer like the one shown in the video that's too small for my mill. Want to possibly trade?
BTW Cool sphere machine!
nice work on the video, thanks for sharing
I have square eyes. I just need to look at it and get it within .0003".
That very cool
*****
If it were only true.
3 tenths really?..I would be willing to bet you on that one
Jack Gauthier
You mean 3 ten thousandths.
And no, I'm only pullin your chain.
If I have two strait edges and create a gap between them with light behind I can get something within at least 1 thousandth fairly easily and probably 5 tenths with a little luck. Of course this method falls apart when the strait edges are too long or too short.
How about making a square collar for the part? Then you just have to un-clamp, rotate, and re-clamp.
Index collars! At least what I've heard them called
why you did'nt cut the others side or the negative y axiz instead,much less time did im right?it also 90 degrees..
Nice and creepy presentation.
thanks!good tip!
I suppose a person could use and indicator to tram the part, could use some trig to calculate the desired angle. would be very time consuming. but I suppose it would be reasonably accurate
Great idea
this is a rather long video that ended with you saying lay out the lines then eyeball it.
رائع وممتع نأمل بالمزيد من الفيديو التعليمي
إم العمل على جديدة الآن
Im working on new ones right now
Please version in Polish. In Poland milling is at the highest level.
That was amazing.. 👌👍👍
What's the difference in the number of flutes in end mill bits? Some are two, four, our even more, is it for different types of steel? Thanks
2 for Aluminum , 4 or more for steels
The more flutes there are the faster your feed rate can be if your taking .008 per revolution of cutter with a 2 flute each tooth has to cut .004 each
If it you have a 4 flute cutter it would only be .002 per revolution
This smaller chips per tooth speeds up your travel but not your rpms
Just love what you say at 2.47 of this video and it is so true.....
+Andre Small
Thanks
never seen your vids before , But the fast foreword at the end looked like you did not square and you over cut ? ...
sorry that's the way it looked... I built Boilers and heat exchanges @ B&W and Gaspars for 15 yrs
Many Blessings...SMR
Great Idea Though ... Have done it myself on Non-Critical parts
Many Blessings
tightening and un tightening that vise will all those chips on it about drove me nuts. I blow the shit out of my work before I loosen up.
Thank you as I will admit you do a pretty good job and I don't want to dampen your spirits but, as a machinist of 31 years it takes alot of knowledge and experience before the term "machinist" may be used so do not give easy reference of the term please.
Thanks for correcting me, your right.
Dale d
***** I think defining a machinist as a problem solver is great. I am a machinist on board a Navy ship, and problem solving is key when you are out to sea.
A machinist can make a Swiss watch from a block of steel with a chisel and a file...if you're willing to pay him for his time
+David Avery Ask any CNC operator. They will claim to be a machinist. I call them robot drivers.
ardvarkkkkk1 You are so right! I've also been told that they are a CNC machinist...what the hell is that? Do we make up positions now or what?
I would have used a shorter end mill. Less of a chance of breakage and chatter. Then again use what you have.
its so very easy
so... uhm... eyeball it?
Already am recommending your site, but you love to grab hold the mills do not encourage this in non machinists?
dividing heads suck especially if you lose track or count lol
amatør
... with quadrants, you only need to turn it 180 degrees. you can do both sides without doing this 3 times to get all four...
Dislike, for not thinking it through :P
That assumes that he has the vice square - from eyeing it the vice pretty clearly looks set at an angle such that the quadrants also have a bit of a scalloped side on them.
With the tools he showed and the problem he referenced, I would have clamped my bar in the V-block, hung my indexer on the far side where his stop is, then inserted a few screw jacks or blocks and shims and clamp my indexer in place.
For any angle you can then loosen the vice, index in your angle and tighten the vice to take the forces of the cut. Similarly since he has a lathe he could turn down the one end of the stock to the collet size of the spindexer and set it up the same way - again depending on the outcome he wants.
safety issues the ring..and long sleeves....being a grunt..and lead man..management would have rained down one you...and seen it happen....have had to go find a finger and cut someone sleeve loose and clinic time.....nice manicure...
I think he meant "us as video producers" not machinists, probably just got words mixed up.
"Us as machinists" shouldn't be working in long sleeves with rings on. I bet you even have a fancy watch on under that "work shirt". Are those rated safety glasses or just whatever the optician used when you got your prescription? You want to solve a problem? You're risking having a big bad problem working like that. Hate to come down on a person but really, if you're offering advice on machining its difficult to take seriously when you do not practice good basic safety parameters. YT a lathe accident... it gets ugly fast. For your sake and for the sake of people who come across your vids, STEP IT UP MAN.
Um.. actually the "machinist" himself, that being the person that made the video asks everyone to "follow" him at the end of damn near every video and Aku absolutely right -Mr.- -Miss- Jam. I'm sorry, may I ask you your preferred pronoun? Because you've got me totally stumped on that one.
Your comment is right in some points, but have something of bullshit also.