All you do is load up the magazine however full you want it and then leverett open enough so you can insert around but not enough to engage the lifter, that way you don't have to worry about round when loading the magazine, ether that or point it in a safe direction away from your self and have it on half cock, although option one might be the more over all safe.
I have been reloading the 44-40 cartridge for a long time and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed your video and the beautiful hills painted by the setting sun, simply gorgeous.
Good video. Quick and concise. A couple things i didnt notice in the video that you may have done but didnt mention. Black powder lube will help the rifle run lunger and more accurately. I run 50/50 beezwax/crisco with a bit of olive oil and pan lube my bullets. Also cast my own with the accurate 43-215c bullet. That one works equally well with BP and smokeless due to the crimp groove. The lyman 427098 works well also. I own two uberti henrys and find thw actions run smoother when the bullets are sized down to .427, the correct diameter for the 44-40. Althought a lot of modern 44-40 are .429. If your casting soft lead like i am the bullet will bump up to fit and cycle smoothly.
Thanks for watching. The lube shown on the bullets was smokeless. I had added 50/50 beeswax/tallow. I was using my own BP which I have found is very dirty so I've started new batches to try and make cleaner powder.
Making my own is blackpowder is something I would like to try someday. I commend you on taking that step. I use swiss and olde eynesford for my 44-40 rifle loads.
I think I saw someone recently have a kaboom just by letting the rounds fall down the tube too fast. I would slant the rifle a bit to give it a gradual drop. Might have been a forgotten weapons video idk
Thanks for watching. It's not about the cartridges falling but the follower being under spring tension and released onto a couple of live cartridges in the tube. It was Ian from Forgotten Weapons that had that experience and still has a piece of brass shrapnel in his chest.
@@a.r.m.4you182 yep just had to go back and rewatch it. It does seem though the mechanism of detonation would be the same between releasing the follower like that and letting the rounds freefall in the tube. I just wouldn’t want to take any chances with that expensive a rifle
@@a.r.m.4you182 Just the same, it has been recommended for years, to load the Henry with the magazine at a shallower angle, because the force of dropping them on top of each other, IS sufficient to fire a primer. it HAS happened.
Standard large pistol primers is recommended. For long range buffalo black powder rifle cartridges with heavy loadiings, large magnum rifle primers most times shoot better due to the larger charges of powder.
@@a.r.m.4you182I actually just fired 3 shots of your load (40 gr of 2F Swiss behind a .427 gr LRBFP bullet using a Winchester Large Rifle primer) through my Uberti 1873 19 inch Carbine and it was amazing. I’m not certain but they seemed to have more of a recoil than the 38 gr of 3F Swiss With a large pistol primer that I usually put through it. Did not expect that with 2F powder but I guess maybe the Rifle Primer makes the difference. They were spot on hitting the steel targets at just 15 yards.
@@a.r.m.4you182It doesn’t matter if you’re firing it in a rifle or pistol, 44-40 calls for a large pistol primer. Do you check if the primer is flush with the back of the case?
Also I would revommend, after resizing the cases, using a flaring exspansion die to very slightly bell the case mouths so that you can easily place the bullet into the case with fear of shaving lead or crumpling the case. Then use the bullet seating die, adding a nice roll crimp to better hold the bullet thus adding some pullet pull.... yielding better powder burn. ( same as for modern smokless loads) Please trust me on these pointers, I don't mean to sound condescending. I learned over the years, now after 45 plus years and humbly trying to shorten the learning curve.
44-40 may be the load chambering these days, but the original Henry Rifles were 44 Rim Fire cartridges and were loaded with only 28 grains of black powder. Even the Winchester 1866 rifles used the same Henry Rim fire cartridges. The advent of the 44-40 chambering and cartridge was made for the more powerful and newer Winchester 1873 rifles. Welcome to the black powder fraternity.
Great video Sir. 44wcf is definitely a fun cartridge to shoot. Especially with black powder. If you’re going to start casting for that round, look into the Accurate 43-215C mold. It has a large lube groove and it really helps on the black powder fouling. If you look back through some of my videos, you find a video about it. Enjoy that 1860 Henry. Hope to add one to my arsenal one day myself. 👍
ok: I just did some Chronographing Your load. 200 .427 gr bullet 2F Swiss 40 gr powder with large rifle primer out if my 19 inch Uberti Carbine 1873: between 1315-1323 fps Single shot of same using a large pistol primer: 1276 fps 36 gr of Swiss 3F with large pistol primer: between 1321-1345 fps. The original bp load from wikipedia claims 40 gr of black powder (does not specify how many F or powder brand) 1242 fps
You never mentioned the use of specific type of black powder lube. Modern bullet lubes don't well with black piwder loads. They leave hard fowling in the bore which makes for poor accuracy and leading. Black piwdet specific bullet lubes like SPG OR DLC keeps powder fowling soft and less fowling for long strings of shooting. It is also highly recommended to use both a drop tube to settle the powder charges and if you need to compress the load, use a compression die (seperate step) before seating the bullet onto the powder column. Most powders with the exception of Swiss powder, likes a far amont of powder compresdion to burn properly. These prceedures will yield you far better average velocities and lower extreme spreads, thus more accurate loads, less and softer fowling. I've reloaded black powder cartridges and competed in State matches for decades. Mr. Mike Venturino (author) of several books on the topic is a valuable and very knowledgeable resource. Highly recommened.
Great video brother I am just starting reloading I found your video very to the point and nice to watch. I recently found a jewel like the one you are shooting it’s NIB it’s a Henry original in 44-40 as well! Can’t make up mind if I am going to shoot or not.
Thanks for watching. I'm going to make a follow up video showing some better techniques for the procedure. Both smokeless and BP. BTW If you decide to take yours out you're gonna love it.
I'd be interested to know what kind of velocities you were getting? Do you have a chronograph? That might be a good video, and you could compare 5 with 40gr, 5 with 35gr, and 5 with 30gr. Or test different powders, different granulations, or projectiles. 44-40 could be the basis of several informational videos. I enjoyed this; subscription earned.
Yeah.. I have a Navy Arms 'Presentation grade' long barrel.. pistol grip stock... engraved etc.. it is a replica of the 1873. The 44-40 is a bear to reload in my opinion. I lose like one case every 100 . That being said.... the gun is dead accurate with smokeless.. It weighs a ton so there is virtually no recoil. I don't shoot it enough... thanks for the vid.. I think I will take it out to shoot.
How do you clean your firearm after shooting blackpowder. I used almost every solvent/cleaner at my local store and my .410 blackpowder loads have given me some surface rust inside the barrel.
Thanks for watching. I use Balistol/water mix and a boresnake with warm water and flush with a hose. I'll then spray the gun with Hoppes oil then wipe down. I'll also run a patch with Hoppes down the barrel too. I leave the rifle with just enough oil to keep the rust off.
Have you experimented with different charge weights for accuracy? I've never loaded this 4440 I know 40 grains will fit but I've heard guys say they get their best accuracy around 35 to 36? Thank you
Thank you for watching. Yes, I was using Lg rifle primers. The pockets in the brass are meant for Lg pistol but I was able to seat my primers fine. You just want to make sure it doesn't stand proud of the brass which could cause problems.
I'll have to give that a try as it's near impossible to find large pistol primers in my area. I own a 1866 Winchester and a Taylor's and Co. 1873, both in .44-40 and it's one of my favourite calibers to load. @@a.r.m.4you182
Thank you for watching. The top of the barrel says HENRY'S PATENT. OCT. 18. 1860 next line MANUFACT'D BY A. UBERTI GARDONE V.T.ITALY and on the side of the barrel CAL. 44-40. CAT. 1559. E.M.F. Co. I.A. CAL.
@@a.r.m.4you182 Huh! When you look up Pietta it takes you to EMF so I thought they were EMF / Pietta and Uberti was separate. Gonna have to look deeper into this. Thanks for the answer.
@@453421abcdefg12345 Thanks for watching. It's not about the cartridges falling down the tube but instead the follower being under spring tension and released onto a couple of live cartridges in the tube. It was Ian from Forgotten Weapons that had that experience and still has a piece of brass shrapnel in his chest. He stated the instruction manual specifies not to let the follower go under spring tension and be allowed to slam into the seated cartridges or it will result into what he experienced.
@@a.r.m.4you182 I can see that would cause the problem with the follower striking the column of cartridges, but just by dropping them down must be marginal when a bullet is stacked against a primer, even with a flat nose.
Actually a negligent discharge by doing so, is related to the bullet nose shape. You don't want the bullet to strike the primer of the next rounds in the magazine tube. Thats why all lever action rifles use blunt or round nose ammunition. The exception being the newer design lever revolution bullets by Hornady or any other of that ilk.
In the video it appeared you were loading the magazine with one in the chamber and the hammer at full cock. If so, that is an extremely dangerous practice.
It's so nice to see you enjoying your passion👍🏼
Nice - you've convinced me to try out some black powder loads for my 44-40 '73.
Thanks for watching.
Nice Video. Have subscribed. My Only concern is loading up the magazine while a live round is in the camber and the hammer cocked...
Fair enough. Thanks for watching.
All you do is load up the magazine however full you want it and then leverett open enough so you can insert around but not enough to engage the lifter, that way you don't have to worry about round when loading the magazine, ether that or point it in a safe direction away from your self and have it on half cock, although option one might be the more over all safe.
I have been reloading the 44-40 cartridge for a long time and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed your video and the beautiful hills painted by the setting sun, simply gorgeous.
Thanks for watching.
Good video. Quick and concise. A couple things i didnt notice in the video that you may have done but didnt mention. Black powder lube will help the rifle run lunger and more accurately. I run 50/50 beezwax/crisco with a bit of olive oil and pan lube my bullets. Also cast my own with the accurate 43-215c bullet. That one works equally well with BP and smokeless due to the crimp groove. The lyman 427098 works well also.
I own two uberti henrys and find thw actions run smoother when the bullets are sized down to .427, the correct diameter for the 44-40. Althought a lot of modern 44-40 are .429. If your casting soft lead like i am the bullet will bump up to fit and cycle smoothly.
Thanks for watching. The lube shown on the bullets was smokeless. I had added 50/50 beeswax/tallow. I was using my own BP which I have found is very dirty so I've started new batches to try and make cleaner powder.
Making my own is blackpowder is something I would like to try someday. I commend you on taking that step. I use swiss and olde eynesford for my 44-40 rifle loads.
blackpowder lube makes life and cleaning easier
I think I saw someone recently have a kaboom just by letting the rounds fall down the tube too fast. I would slant the rifle a bit to give it a gradual drop. Might have been a forgotten weapons video idk
Thanks for watching. It's not about the cartridges falling but the follower being under spring tension and released onto a couple of live cartridges in the tube. It was Ian from Forgotten Weapons that had that experience and still has a piece of brass shrapnel in his chest.
@@a.r.m.4you182 yep just had to go back and rewatch it. It does seem though the mechanism of detonation would be the same between releasing the follower like that and letting the rounds freefall in the tube. I just wouldn’t want to take any chances with that expensive a rifle
@@a.r.m.4you182 Just the same, it has been recommended for years, to load the Henry with the magazine at a shallower angle, because the force of dropping them on top of each other, IS sufficient to fire a primer. it HAS happened.
You should use black powder lube on the bullets, not the red smokeless lube.
Thanks for watching. Agreed.
Large Rifle primer! I always understood to use a large pistol primer. Got an 1873 Uberti carbine myself. I use 38 gr of 3F Swiss
Thanks for watching. I was using rifle primers due to actually firing it in a rifle.
Standard large pistol primers is recommended.
For long range buffalo black powder rifle cartridges with heavy loadiings, large magnum rifle primers most times shoot better due to the larger charges of powder.
@@a.r.m.4you182I actually just fired 3 shots of your load (40 gr of 2F Swiss behind a .427 gr LRBFP bullet using a Winchester Large Rifle primer) through my Uberti 1873 19 inch Carbine and it was amazing. I’m not certain but they seemed to have more of a recoil than the 38 gr of 3F Swiss With a large pistol primer that I usually put through it. Did not expect that with 2F powder but I guess maybe the Rifle Primer makes the difference. They were spot on hitting the steel targets at just 15 yards.
@@classicgunstoday1972 Very cool. Glad it worked out for you.
@@a.r.m.4you182It doesn’t matter if you’re firing it in a rifle or pistol, 44-40 calls for a large pistol primer. Do you check if the primer is flush with the back of the case?
Also I would revommend, after resizing the cases, using a flaring exspansion die to very slightly bell the case mouths so that you can easily place the bullet into the case with fear of shaving lead or crumpling the case. Then use the bullet seating die, adding a nice roll crimp to better hold the bullet thus adding some pullet pull.... yielding better powder burn. ( same as for modern smokless loads)
Please trust me on these pointers, I don't mean to sound condescending. I learned over the years, now after 45 plus years and humbly trying to shorten the learning curve.
Thanks for watching.
44-40 may be the load chambering these days, but the original Henry Rifles were 44 Rim Fire cartridges and were loaded with only 28 grains of black powder.
Even the Winchester 1866 rifles used the same Henry Rim fire cartridges.
The advent of the 44-40 chambering and cartridge was made for the more powerful and newer Winchester 1873 rifles.
Welcome to the black powder fraternity.
Thanks for watching.
Love the rifle
Thanks for watching.
Great video Sir. 44wcf is definitely a fun cartridge to shoot. Especially with black powder. If you’re going to start casting for that round, look into the Accurate 43-215C mold. It has a large lube groove and it really helps on the black powder fouling. If you look back through some of my videos, you find a video about it. Enjoy that 1860 Henry. Hope to add one to my arsenal one day myself. 👍
Thank you for watching. I'll look into that mold and into your videos.
ok: I just did some Chronographing
Your load. 200 .427 gr bullet 2F Swiss 40 gr powder with large rifle primer out if my 19 inch Uberti Carbine 1873: between 1315-1323 fps
Single shot of same using a large pistol primer: 1276 fps
36 gr of Swiss 3F with large pistol primer: between 1321-1345 fps.
The original bp load from wikipedia claims 40 gr of black powder (does not specify how many F or powder brand) 1242 fps
Thanks for sharing.
You never mentioned the use of specific type of black powder lube. Modern bullet lubes don't well with black piwder loads. They leave hard fowling in the bore which makes for poor accuracy and leading. Black piwdet specific bullet lubes like SPG OR DLC keeps powder fowling soft and less fowling for long strings of shooting.
It is also highly recommended to use both a drop tube to settle the powder charges and if you need to compress the load, use a compression die (seperate step) before seating the bullet onto the powder column.
Most powders with the exception of Swiss powder, likes a far amont of powder compresdion to burn properly.
These prceedures will yield you far better average velocities and lower extreme spreads, thus more accurate loads, less and softer fowling.
I've reloaded black powder cartridges and competed in State matches for decades.
Mr. Mike Venturino (author) of several books on the topic is a valuable and very knowledgeable resource. Highly recommened.
Thanks for watching.
Great video brother I am just starting reloading I found your video very to the point and nice to watch. I recently found a jewel like the one you are shooting it’s NIB it’s a Henry original in 44-40 as well! Can’t make up mind if I am going to shoot or not.
Thanks for watching. I'm going to make a follow up video showing some better techniques for the procedure. Both smokeless and BP. BTW If you decide to take yours out you're gonna love it.
@@a.r.m.4you182 I’ll be looking for it!!
I'd be interested to know what kind of velocities you were getting? Do you have a chronograph? That might be a good video, and you could compare 5 with 40gr, 5 with 35gr, and 5 with 30gr. Or test different powders, different granulations, or projectiles. 44-40 could be the basis of several informational videos. I enjoyed this; subscription earned.
Thanks for watching. True. I do have a labradar and was thinking the same thing.
Yeah.. I have a Navy Arms 'Presentation grade' long barrel.. pistol grip stock... engraved etc.. it is a replica of the 1873. The 44-40 is a bear to reload in my opinion. I lose like one case every 100 . That being said.... the gun is dead accurate with smokeless.. It weighs a ton so there is virtually no recoil. I don't shoot it enough... thanks for the vid.. I think I will take it out to shoot.
Thanks for watching.
How do you clean your firearm after shooting blackpowder. I used almost every solvent/cleaner at my local store and my .410 blackpowder loads have given me some surface rust inside the barrel.
Thanks for watching. I use Balistol/water mix and a boresnake with warm water and flush with a hose. I'll then spray the gun with Hoppes oil then wipe down. I'll also run a patch with Hoppes down the barrel too. I leave the rifle with just enough oil to keep the rust off.
@@a.r.m.4you182 How far are you disassembling the rifle for cleaning?
215 is a magnum primer, 210 is the standard rifle primer from Federal. There's a difference.
Thanks for watching. I mentioned I was using Federal 215 primers. I use the magnum primers for my BP loads.
@a.r.m.4you182
Okay, all I remember hearing was Federal Large Rifle Primers. It's all good.
Have you experimented with different charge weights for accuracy? I've never loaded this 4440 I know 40 grains will fit but I've heard guys say they get their best accuracy around 35 to 36? Thank you
Thanks for watching. No, actually I haven't. I tend to load this just for fun.
Are you sure you're using large rife primers? All the brass I have uses large pistol primers.
Thank you for watching. Yes, I was using Lg rifle primers. The pockets in the brass are meant for Lg pistol but I was able to seat my primers fine. You just want to make sure it doesn't stand proud of the brass which could cause problems.
I'll have to give that a try as it's near impossible to find large pistol primers in my area. I own a 1866 Winchester and a Taylor's and Co. 1873, both in .44-40 and it's one of my favourite calibers to load. @@a.r.m.4you182
0:45 You said the rifle was made by "Uberti or EMF". Did you mean EITHER Uberti or EMF? It is my understanding the EMF makes Pietta not Uberti.
Thank you for watching. The top of the barrel says HENRY'S PATENT. OCT. 18. 1860 next line MANUFACT'D BY A. UBERTI GARDONE V.T.ITALY and on the side of the barrel CAL. 44-40. CAT. 1559. E.M.F. Co. I.A. CAL.
@@a.r.m.4you182 Huh! When you look up Pietta it takes you to EMF so I thought they were EMF / Pietta and Uberti was separate. Gonna have to look deeper into this. Thanks for the answer.
@@a.r.m.4you182 Ah Ha! EMF is just an importer and imports Uberti, Pietta and Pedersoli! I just learned something. 👍
No…. It won’t kaboom by dropping bullets down the magazine. That’s a myth
It is NOT a myth, Forgotten Weapons just had a blow up doing exactly this.
@@453421abcdefg12345 Thanks for watching. It's not about the cartridges falling down the tube but instead the follower being under spring tension and released onto a couple of live cartridges in the tube. It was Ian from Forgotten Weapons that had that experience and still has a piece of brass shrapnel in his chest. He stated the instruction manual specifies not to let the follower go under spring tension and be allowed to slam into the seated cartridges or it will result into what he experienced.
@@a.r.m.4you182 I can see that would cause the problem with the follower striking the column of cartridges, but just by dropping them down must be marginal when a bullet is stacked against a primer, even with a flat nose.
Actually a negligent discharge by doing so, is related to the bullet nose shape. You don't want the bullet to strike the primer of the next rounds in the magazine tube. Thats why all lever action rifles use blunt or round nose ammunition. The exception being the newer design lever revolution bullets by Hornady or any other of that ilk.
In the video it appeared you were loading the magazine with one in the chamber and the hammer at full cock. If so, that is an extremely dangerous practice.