I Swore this would Never happen to me...
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- I Swore this would Never happen to me...
In this video I share my Experience with my Festool Woodworking Tools that I have purchased. Are they worth the money??
Domino - amzn.to/3QjSij9
Sander - amzn.to/3QobiNa
Extractor - amzn.to/3IwxYJw
Track Saw - amzn.to/3ZfDmGP
Sander protector pad - amzn.to/3LHTdt8
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Why I started buying Festool
1:58 - Why I kept buying Festool
6:42 - This isn't even a comparison
7:28 - Customer Service
8:52 - Summing up
Separately I’d like to add another point/thought, I’m a hobbyist, my work requires me to be away min 4 days a week, and I’m a father, I don’t want to spend my hobby time compensating for cheap tools with extra set up time. Your time also has value to you, and the cost of a tool sometimes is cheap when you compare them
I am a hobbyist looking to go full time. Using my current job to fund getting a shop together. After a LOT of debate I got the Festool CTL Midi vac and a few hours ago pulled the trigger on the Festool Tracksaw after about a month of trying to convince myself the Ryobi would serve me just as well. As a firm believer in "buy once, cry once", just using the vac sold me on the quality and small quality of life features that Festool offers. Fully agree on your take here, especially with products that require good dust extraction. Thanks for the great comparison
I have transitioned to a "buy once cry once" philosophy as well. I have wasted to much time and money on cheap tools. And in the long run some of them even cost you more. Best of luck on your journey to go full time man! That's exactly what I did was use my day job to slowly but steadily get there. Thanks for your comment!
I have never regretted buying the best, and after a quick count I nave nine Festool machines and love all of them. Good luck on getting your shop put together.
I started getting some Festool about a year ago and I'm hooked! I am a hobbyist and I think it's just as important to get good tools as a hobbyist as it is as a professional. As you said, it actually makes the woodworking more enjoyable. I know they're expensive, but I have no regrets. I really enjoy them. I have way more than I though I would have!
Completely understand. I told myself for years that there was no way that I would drink the green koolaid. About 6 months ago I got the Domino. That lead to the CT26 and then the ETS125 and Rotex sanders. Found a great deal, so just brought home the OF1400 router today. It's a slippery slope my friend. - Chris
Haha Slippery slope explains it perfectly. I'm already looking at what I want to purchase next 🤔
I’m a hard core woodworker hobbyist and have several Festool machines. Consider the CXS small drill/driver as your next purchase, it’s a game changer. I absolutely love mine.
I have the Milwaukee version of that little drill and it is awesome. I use it daily. Probably my most used tool. I love it.
My approach was to get my wife hooked on the rotex sander and CT 36 dust extractor for removing old paint off her flea market furniture finds. Then when track saw and domino showed up one day, she understood the "need" for more festool😆
😂 sounds like a great approach!
This is a fantastic video and the analogies you used made sense to me. I’m looking into getting into woodworking and still learning
Thank you for taking the time to instruct us about your experiences
I bought the Domino three years ago and fell in love with it. In the past eight months, I got the updated TS 55 and the MFT 3. I just picked up the ETS 125 and CT 15 a few days ago. The kool-aid is delicious. It blew my mind, and still does, that the dust extractor picks up all the dust from sanding. Even as a hobbyist, Festool is worth it if you can swing it. My projects move along faster and with less frustration overall.
The Dust extraction is phenomenal and I agree even for hobbyists if they can swing it, it might just turn in to something more!
Pretty similar journey to a lot of us! Once I took the Domino plunge it was the 'domino' effect (pun intended!), sander, dust, track saw, etc... I would really love to see a correlation of Festool profit against CZcams woodworking channel growth over the last 10 years. I'd bet CZcams has had a big impact on sales for them!
Love that pun!! Haha. Yes I agree with you I'm sure festool has 10xed there buisness since youtube
This is my journey exactly! Almost the same tool choices as you including the Wen track saw. Bought the domino and now shortly after have the dust extractor and track saw. It’s expensive but it just works and is so repeatable and makes the work fun as you point out.
You and I share similar journeys. I didn’t understand Festool until I realized that in my post firefighter retirement business of handyman and contractor I was going to need primo dust collection inside of client homes. We’ve all done a little sheetrock work and chased dust forever it seems like. Night their extractor and a couple of sanders…..and Oh My Goodness! You cannot understand until you’ve used their system for just a little bit. Expensive as heck! But so worth it! You’re not buying a tool….you’re buying a system. A really GREAT system.😎
Thanks for this video.
My story is similar. I have owned a lot of Dewalts and been happy until I tried Festool. First machine was also the Domino and now most Dewalt are gone. Love the eco system and attention to detail. Also they produce most in Europe. No Human Right issues
I took the plunge with a midi and orbital because of dust and health issues. The festool setup works amazingly well and sanding is fun again. I get it. Already saving up for more festool toys for my hobby.
I could have literally made this video word for word! Including the Snap-On analogy!! I’m with ya buddy, it’s great stuff, and great video!
Thanks a lot man! Glad you liked it
Makes sense when you transition to a full time job. Even as a DIYer I have some higher quality tools where stuff gets done more easily and at a higher quality because the tools have way less slop in its manufacturer
I am a hobbyist and just dove into the Festool ecosystem. Wow! What a joy it is to use these tools ~ TS55?1400 Router/Sander/ Domino/ and of course the MIDI I. That said I waited until I retired and could afford the expense. Nice review and blessings on your woodworking endeavor/
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3:14 bigger shop vac and the festool hose lmao
Same on my side. All started out with the Domino. After that i invested in the CTL26 with the systainer cyclone (which is on of my absolute favourits now). I think appart from the quality of the machines itself i would say the most benefitial point on festool is clearly the system by itself. Lock the hose in place plug-it connector on and everything runs. No adapters needed, no cables laying arround. Makes work really running much more smoothly.
For 18v I‘m also still on milwaukee (drill, impact, etc) but everything which is in combination with dust extraction and precision my go to is clearly Festool. 😍
Outstanding video and channel. Thank you.
Thanks!
You are a young man so you have a long way to go. Im 75 with COPD and have for 20 years been using Festool with their extractors and that has allowed me to continue my woodworking projects (Im a hobbyist) to this day. Dust collection is absolutely necessary including masks. Im happy when I see someone your age going for it and not necessarily for the same reason that I did but Festool extractors with their tools will save your lungs for the worst dust you can be exposed to. First time on your site and like it very much. Ill be following you now and hoping to learn from you. The flattening setup you use is great. Thanks for sharing.
I have the small router, it’s ability to make micro adjustments is like nothing else I have ever used. It allows you to re create profiles easily
Thanks for the video. I'm only a part-time hobbyist but am lucy enough to have a few Festool tools (Kapex, Domino, TS55 and a few extractors) and I honestly think you get what you pay for. The quality is outstanding so I would highly recommend them. I hoping to get sanders at some point but need to find a buyer for my kidney first.
Coming from a large production wood shop I didn't even realize these where top tier, we have probably 30+ festool sanders, vacs and other festool products, but by far my favorite is there routers . After cutting off my left thumb with a dewalt trim router and having multiple surgeries the festool trim routers just feel safer for me to use the build quality and the user ergonomics of it all play into it. I will most likely never use a trim router other than festool for the rest of my life because of that I could care less about the price if its going to mean a safer tool to use.
I am two months late to the party but, great presentation on Festool. I just saw your video for side tables with 2x4s and was impressed to see someone with a festool extractor doing a video for beginner woodworkers. Honestly, though, you earned my subscription because of the Bill's Hat. Now, to watch your latest video on turning your garage into shop.
Awesome, thank you! I enjoy doing simple beginner friendly videos for some reason. Go Bills!
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍
Thanks for your comment!
On dust extractors. I had power take off over 40 years ago with Kärcher vacuum. Sanding walls, circular saw, - little to no dust in the air. Bicycle inner tubes help with connectors. But Festool easy hose attachment has the massive effect of no excuse for skipping the health and safety
Got that same Dewalt sander....my brother had one also. His the switch broke, mine the switch is about to break...takes effort to turn it on and have it stay on. Thank you for sharing your experience. I appreciate you
Time to upgrade!
Just noticed the buffalo bills hat. LOVE IT!
Rough game last week. But love my bills! Go Bills!
I'm a hobby woodworker mainly making my own custom furniture and doing a bit of home renovation on my timber home. I needed a rip cut saw and learned about track saws. I watched a ton of YT videos about various track saws. For me, safety always comes first and the Festool track saw was the safest by far and that's how I got my first ( and only so far) Festool tool. It's a beautiful piece to work with. I then started looking for a miter saw to add to my arsenal and would have bitten down on the Festool Kapex if it had had a light and laser built in. But those had to be purchased separately. This is when I bought a Makita instead. I agree with you that, especially if you are a pro, and even if you are just a hobbyist, an effective, easy to use tool makes all the difference in terms of speed and efficiency, not to mention the joy of using a great tool. That's when I will splash out the extra dollars.
I feel like if you are doing woodworking for a living you would have to have the best equipment for efficiency and dependability. So I can totally understand you purchasing the FESTOOL brand. If I make it to full time I will make the same purchase. For now, I do really well with my WEN and BOSCHE tools I have.
Go Bills! Good video, thanks for explaining your experience and steps moving towards this change.
Hell yes GO Bills!! Should be a fun one tomorrow. Can't overlook this Miami team even if it's a 3rd string qb but I'm thinking we got this!
Brad, I am with you on Festool. Same story...way to much money...until you get something Festool. Night and day difference in quality. Started with a sander (same one you showed) because my Dewalt finally died (after years of faithful service, very sad). A new one was like $60 bucks. I went to a wood show a decided to try the Festool sander. Everyone was raving about Festool stuff. $360 bucks hurt, but the first time I used it, I realized it was a game changer. Now I have 3 sanders and a Domino. If you don't have the 6 inch sander, I would highly recomend it.
I just started buying power tools and chose to go with mostly Dewalt tools... but as I watch more videos and use my tools, the more I can appreciate the "detail" when I see folks using Festool products. Over time, I find its the small things, the minor details that can make a night and day difference when using the tool. As I get more into it and spend more time as a hobby, I'll consider upgrading my sander first.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was in the same position and now have several systainers full of Festool tools. There is something to be said for a high quality tool that just works well.
One thing I would recommend. I have the same sander as you. You can replace the sanding pad with the 150mm model and get a larger format sander for little money. The body is basically the same and the sanding pads are something like $50. A very worthwhile upgrade.
I have saw you can do this. I may use up the 5" pads I got and do that. In your experience does it speed up sanding quite a bit?
@@BradyHommel Sanding is so much faster with the 6” pad. Material removal is quicker and the paper lasts longer. I had always read about the 33% improvement going from 5” to 6” but was skeptical, until I tried it myself.
The 5” ETS EC is the 6” sanding pad is perfect for me. You have the 5” sander for styles and rails then can switch to the 6” for panels and cabinets. It’s no trouble switching the pads, just one screw.
I'm just a hobby man and purchased the mini vac then the track saw and this time last year, a MFT. After this, I damaged my right then left shoulders doing unrelated things and today, used the table for the first time and with the Festool clamps, it all worked a treat. I'm retired and planned to do so many things the last twelve months but not to be but I'm hoping to get into it all this year. Yes their super expensive and that's me saying that after buying a lot of Bosch, but if you can afford something better than say Ryobi, Dewalt etc, then do yourself a treat and pay the extra as they are worth the additional price.
Thanks for the video! I just bought my first Festool a couple of weeks ago. It's the Festool Domino and I love it! Everything just fits together now. I do woodworking just for fun and I want it to continue being fun. It makes things easier and has allowed me to do more complex things that I avoided before since it took too long. Keep up the good work!
Yes the festool domino opened up so many more options for me when I first got it. I always had a kreg jig for joinery before this but there is something about a mortice and tenon joint.
I like your presentation and I basically agree with what you’re saying. I thought Festool was WAY too expensive. But after watching a variety of CZcams woodworking videos I decided it would make good sense to get the Festool CT36 dust extraction system and a sander. That made sense for me, especially from a health standpoint. It does seem to be superior and most everybody who has one says they are great. I am more than happy with it. it’s probably worth every penny I paid as it does a superior job. However I have not gone with any other Festool items at this time. In time I may switch over to some but I’m not a high-end professional woodworker anyway. I also saw no value in getting a track saw, but for the same reason, dust control, I have ordered the Makita and plan to use the Festool CT36. The rest may come - time will tell. Thanks for your good video.
Mirka is quite popular for just sanding but going festool means more kit available. Tracksaw very good in tight spaces, no dust element means less brushing table and work piece off and more working. Festool Bluetooth brings automatic extractor operation. Simple and effective blade system with a lower 1.8 kerf, fast blade change. Lots of features I think it's probably not worth researching one because you will end up buying it
Thanks for he honest assessment of your experience with Festool. I'm a hobbyist woodworker, but like to have nice tools and have always been willing to pay for good things. I'm in the market for a good sander and have been considering the 3m sander, but after what you said about how Festool works as a system and the simplicity of using the Festool vacuum with the other tools you have it got me to thinking maybe that's the way I should go. Really appreciate you explaining how you took the plunge and purchased these, and I may be following in your footsteps.
I have heard good things about the 3m sander as well. I have never tried one but I do not think I would be a fan of the power switch being on top of the sander the way it is. I like the button on the festool. Also yes the way the sander, domino and track saw all plug right into the dust extractor was a huge selling point for me. It is awesome. And the dust collection is amazing. Thank you for your comment!
Festool makes some great sanders and they work very well with any of the Festool dust extractors. But, the 3M sander/dust extractor combo is actually better (for some types of uses). 3M has been making pneumatic sanders used in industry, auto body shops, and other commercial settings for decades. In such settings, pneumatic sanders are often preferred because they are lighter weight and are smaller, making them easier to use for long periods and also making them more maneuverable. For example, while I was in college, I worked at a furniture mill. Some of our crew did nothing but finish sand the furniture before it was stained and lacquered. They used a 3M random orbital pneumatic sander for hours at a time -- without their hands and arms becoming numb from the vibration or overly tired from the weight of the sander. I understand that many are unsure about using a sander with a paddle switch. Believe me, once you've gotten used to it, you'll like it. If you were to sand for hours at a streatch, you'd love it. The paddle switch becomes very intuitive to use, and the sander almost becomes an extension of your arm.
3M (and Mirka before them) has done a good job of making an electric sander that has most of the advantages of pneumatics. When I first got into woodworking as a hobby, I thought I'd equip my shop with air tools -- pneumatic sanders, drills, and screw guns. By comparison, their electric counter-parts felt heavy, bulky, and clumsy to my hands. Then, I saw how much a compressor that would power these air-hungry tools cost, and went electric! My electric tools -- particularly the cordless ones -- still feel heavy and bulky. But, they have served me well. The Festool, while approaching the smoothness of a quality pneumatic sander, still feels bulky and top-heavy in my hand. The 3M sanders feel almost as good as their slightly more compact pneumatic cousins.
Having said that, I won't be buying a 3M sander (or a Festool or Mirka) any time soon. I spend most of my shop time at the lathe, so I don't use a 5" or 6" random orbital sander all that often. But, if I were to return to furniture making or the making of kitchen cabinets where, once the pieces are assembled, the final sanding involves a lot of vertical surfaces, I would be buying the 3M sander and its matching dust extractor. On the other hand, if I were doing a lot of finish carpentry, which involves sanding a lot of trim, I'd buy the Festool. Not because the Festool is a better sander for those purposes, but because it integrates better within the Festool system. That integration would be more important on multiple job sites where I would be bringing in a number of different tools. With Festool, I could use the same power cord and vac hose for each tool. With the 3M, I would need to unplug each new powertool from the 3M extractor whenever I switched from one tool to the next.
Just the thoughts of someone who used to earn a living with these types of tools but now just uses them for fun.
@@DKWalser Thanks David, I appreciate your insight. It's going to be a tough choice on which way I go.
HELLO THERE, MY FRIEND THE SHOP IS LOOKING GREAT .IM SO GLAD YOU'RE LIKING THE DOMINO I LOVE MINE.AND YOU MAKE SOME AWESOME PICTURE FRAMES.GREAT WORK BUDDY. FROM DOUG
Thanks for your comment Doug!
You are very welcome my friend thank you it was great watching from Doug
I'm a hobbyist like some commenters on here and I am fortunate enough to own the ETS EC and Midi and they are fantastic. I look forward to using either one of those tools. If I did wood working full time, 1000% I'd have more festool.
My tools are similar to your. I bought TS55, domino, ETS EC150 and CTL26. They are really well and worth!
Good advice.
I have the carvex my 5th festool it is crazy smooth cut on hard wood . It looks like it was sanded smooth, it’s unbelievable
Great video, I know what you feel, I was site carpenter and everything I had was dewalt, now I’ve set a joinery shop and have replaced the desalts with Festool and I love using them all so much
Got rid of my dewon’t also , no regret.👍📐🇨🇦
I agree. They are an absolute joy to use.
I’m literally living your life in parallel. I started with a domino, then the sander. I’m also currently a Kapex in and eyeing up the dust extractor. It’s a slippery slope, but a slope that goes all downhill to a good place. The quality of the tools compared to the tools they replaced is as marked as you say. It’s truly a case of getting what you pay for. The sander especially is like night and day compared to the DeWalt it replaced. Many will scoff at you saying sanding is one of your favourite things now. I wouldn’t go that far myself but I spend a lot less time sanding now than I used to and worth the extra money alone…. Glad I’m not alone in the “madness”
The reason I say it's one of my favorite things now is because it's one of the last steps and it's closer to payday for that project. Haha. Plus the festool sander makes easy work of it... and I do really enjoy putting in my ear buds listening to music or getting in to a podcast and just sand away. Thanks for your comment!
I'm just a hobbyist but have several Festools, track saw, four (I think) sanders, Domino, jig saw, two routers (OF1010 and OF1400), and Kapex. My first was the track saw. At the time there were only one or two competitors and they weren't a lot cheaper. I loved the thing so bought a sander. I'd had a dozen cheap sanders, all more aggravation than they were worth. The Festool was a dream. I was hooked.
The only issue I've had is with the routers. Each has different accessories. I can see why, maybe. There has to be a way of integrating things. There are other odd-ball issues, like the dust port on the OF1010. It's oblong so the extractor hose has to be squished to get it onto the port. It's not that easy. I bought an adapter from Etsy to make this easier but it shouldn't be needed.
BTW, I was just using both routers tonight. Each set up with a different bit and template ring. One is set for hogging out a dado and the other for the last 1/16th inch to trim any fuzz or chips.
I can't count the number of tools I've replaced because they were no longer what I needed. Replacing tools can be more expensive than buying right the first time. I firmly believe in the "cry once" theory of tool purchasing. Woodworking is my only vice so I got hooked on Festool. I've replaced so many tools that they no longer need to be justified. My wife calls them "green tools" and Woodpeckers "red tools")
Hey, Brady. I’m so glad that I accidentally found you. Can you, please, do a video on making a picture frame? Thanks, man. Keep up the inspiring work.
Yes I too have a few Festool tools. Great to use but too many times the accessories that should be included aren’t and boy do they rip you off.
I agree with that! For instance the track saw tracks and clamps should come with the saw!
I bought the 6” sander and dust extractor. Literally no dust, and the feature that turns the vac on and off with the tool is so amazing. Domino and Track saw are next… just gotta keep saving 😅
Love that feature! That makes the whole setup for me
Completely agree. I was fighting against festool anything, then started with domino and built up from there. Do you get more vibrations with the sander protective pad? That's one thing that makes it less pleasant to use the sander.
It's a slippery slope. I have not noticed more vibration with the protector pad.
There are two types of plug-it cords one for low draw tools like their sanders and a larger one for high draw tools like the T75 track saw for instance.
Love the TS55 & the MFT/3 combination. But you'll have to pry my PC890 router from my cold dead hands. There is nothing like the LR32 system out there and I use it. A base adapter, on the plunge base for the PC890 and it fits the guide plate for the LR32 guide rail. The PC890 and my PC 5" orbital sander fit my 27mm hose for my Craftsman 5 hp dust collector. No dust or chunks from any of those tools. I cut the power cables short on all my tools so I can use my Festool compatible dust hose and zip tied power cable, on all of my power tools. This plugs into a automatic i-VAC to turn on the dust collector.
Even though I've fond work arounds to using some festools, I still have them on my dream list OF1400, DF500, and a CT26 are certainly DROOL worthy. And I can't wait for the day I can replace my table saw and make my shop almost dust free, TSK 80 when they get to the US.
We are just starting out and are getting the exact same setup as yours also getting the Kapex. Decided we will just start where we want to get to eventually. We also love Milwaukee although since we are only starting we only have their nailers and such.
I have been debating on the kapex! Let me know how you like it
Better than expected
I got the 3M sander an a Home Depo shop vac. with a $15 Automatic Vacuum Switch. my vacuum comes on automatically... never any dust, I love sanding with that thing!
Nice to hear good things about that sander as well. Would be nice if they could start competing with each other more competitively and force them to lower there prices. Lol
@@BradyHommel yeah, Mirka was the only competitor imo because of the low profile destine, but I think Amazon has knockoffs now for around 2-300
I was right there with you right up to the comparison against the WEN. I use a Festool TS55 track saw at work and chose the WEN for home use and couldn’t be happier with my choice. It does everything I need it to do and I have over $400 left in my wallet. Even so, I enjoyed hearing your take on the subject. Scott
Thanks for your comment Scott. I am glad the WEN has worked well for you... overall in general I have not had great luck with wen tools.
Has to justify the cost somehow
I agree completely!
My first hit of the grey and green crack was the track saw and a CT 48 dust extractor. Next was a Kapex, and it’s been downhill from there. The Rotex sanders kick ass, and the pads seem to last forever with the good dust collection. Great stuff - buy once, cry (HARD) once.
That's how it goes! How do you like the kapex?
@@BradyHommel Love it. Bought it in 2013 to do flooring in my home renovation. It's nice and solid, runs smoothly and (like most of their stuff) excels at dust collection. The sliding mechanism is quite robust, the angle settings of the table are easily adjusted and lock in place securely, and the tilt adjustment of the saw is very fast and easy, with the adjustment handle at the front of the saw on the end of the right hand slide rail and the scale is large and easy to read.
I've seen other CZcamsrs trying it gripe about the interlock/trigger system and the vertical orientation of the grip, but as it's the only miter saw I've ever owned its operation has become natural to me - squeeze trigger to release the pivot lock and lower the blade, squeeze trigger _and_ press button with thumb to turn on the saw. Someone coming to it from a saw with a horizontal handle might at first feel awkward using it, but I'd think that would soon pass. I normally use the laser (it projects the cutting lines on both sides of the blade), so don't normally need to lower the stopped saw to index the cut to begin with.
Fitted with a non ferrous blade, I've used it to easily and accurately cut aluminum stock, too.
Agreed. If not the efficiency in terms of money saving, it’s the efficiency of not having to mess about with cords, hoses, sweeping, checking for square. My own sanity is worth the price increases. Thanks for the video. Alex
Well said! Something to be said about the time it saves you.
It comes down to time, money, & hassle. Choose any 2. If time and reduced hassle are what will make you more money and reduce your stress, then the money for Festool makes a great deal of sense. Festool's focus on precision, dust collection, and the general system will pay for itself if you are the right kind of user.
Well said!
I had a domino and I miss it. I’m on the look out for a nice used unit now. My makita track saw has been great for my own use breaking down sheet goods in my garage
Why did you get rid of your domino?
My Grandfather was a very wise man. Born in 1901, his last year of schooling was 8th grade. He was a coal miner and small farmer his entire life. Yet he retired a millionaire. He imparted many wise sayings to me such as, "If you can't afford to pay cash, you can't afford cash price + 20%", "Payments always work out on paper," "Right now I'm driving a used car because I choose to. When we retire, my buddy with the new, fancy car will be driving a used car because he has to." The saying that is appropriate here was, "The cheapest isn't always the least expensive."
So i have had several brands of sanders all decent but mine generally take a beating when using on live edge projects and I do resin and wood charcuterie boards so I feel the resin dust takes its tole on the machines. I’m curious about what you feel the life span of the sander would be?? I am in need of a good finish sander but not so sure its worth spending the money if it wears out after a year kinda deal? Thoughts would be appreciated thanks…..
Yup Im a hardwood floor pro and every time other pros work with me they complement my tools. But their are alternative to some festool that work better
I agree. Of the tools I have festool I feel they are the best in its class. As far as other tools. One example is My milwaukee cordless drill I would never replace with a festool.
People get worked up about Festool, and I agree the prices are stupid, but some (not all) of their tools really are game changers. If my sander/extractor broke I would immediately start saving for a new one.
I just bought the Domino XL and now I feel like I'm in the same boat as you. I'm already eyeing the 150/5 sander.
It's a slippery slope. Lol
My Festool vac has been running for 13 years!
My first purchase was mft3 set with tsc 55 then I got the sanders ro90 and ras 115 which I believe is discontinued later got both of dominoes and few sanders and the ct 26 , its how you build your ecosystem, and the tools work amazing, ( still saving for the kapex)
I am wanting to upgrade my miter saw as well. Kapex is an option. But as much as I use my miter saw I'm debating about the sliding bosch to save a lot of money.
@Brady Hommel Woodworks I was on the market for a good mitre saw after seeing all the brands I went with 40v 12" makita sliding saw and wasn't disappointed, very happy with the saws precision and quality,
@Brady Hommel Woodworks I assume you are talking the articulating arm saw from bosch , beware the head has quite a deflection and other things I don't like is the detent lock pin is a plastic , just check before buying it , nothing against bosch I had my first mitre saw for 15 years from bosch and it was a very accurate mitre saw
I have a Domino, Rotex and cordless 5” sander. I love the Rotex and Domino. The cordless sander gets my award for the most efficient. Now, its a finish sander, make no mistake here. As far as efficiency goes its the best. Theres a hundred little jobs a day that need a quick sanding, from a rough cut edge, little mistake on a finish sanding to a light sand between finish coats. Just grab it and sand. No cord and the onboard duct collection is
Hmm I wouldn't mind a cordless one now. Your right there's always little things to sand throughout a project. Is your cordless sander a festool?
Mine is the small Festool, I think its a 125 series.
I have mostly Milwaukee tools bought the Makita track saw and love it, but thinking of selling it and getting the Milwaukee one, might wait a year and see if they find an issue and make a GEN 2 it's what they often do. I like the quick swap cords Festool has I've used a $600 Mirka sander for 7 months at my job I'd imagine the Festool is as relaxing, 8 hours of sanding before and not even sore.
I have been paying close attention to that milwaukee track saw. I think it would be wise to wait for a Gen 2 being this is milwaukees first track saw. My reasoning for going with the festool one is I want good dust extraction and there has to be a hose hooked up to do that which basically negates the tool being "cordless" so I don't mind having the power cord on it as well. More power and no Battery dieing mid cut.
I have some Milwaukee m18 tools , but I don’t think I would buy the Milwaukee track saw, Makita and Festool have so much more experience in making track saws.
😁 been there, done that! 😜 Festool is great!
Sure is!
This is the most affiliated, non affiliated ad for a tool I’ve seen!
Lol. I wish it was affiliated. Festool of your watching reach out! I will test new products. Lol
Just putting it out there, with the sanders the 125 vs 150 (5” vs 6”) the extra inch equates to an additional 30% surface area, which can be a big reduction in work time.
Whilst I prefer the 5” size sanders I personally run an ets 150 for panels main work, and an rtsc 140 corners and mobility. I went with the cordless one because if I later get the delta version it’s the same price buying both cordless as it was corded. And having all one battery system phases me less now that I’ve bought converters…
Been debating about getting a 150 pad for my 125. Then can use 6" discs when say I'm doing large table tops
I'm very happy with my Bosch sander (like the one you showed but the 6" version). Is there such thing as a finish sander? I thought for good results you have to hand sand everything
I don't know if there is specifically such thing as a finish sander but that's what I like to call it. I rarely hand sand anything except engles and tough to reach spots.
Yes, Festool is my dependence 😂. I have 4 dust extractors, track saw, domino, planer, three sanders, top cutter, 3 accu drills, accu jig saw, accu track saw and a lot of systainers. It is a great system. For example - my ten years old accu drill still works perfectly fine and of course with the original batteries!
Wow! You got quite the collection there. I don't even have room for 4 extractors. Lol
It’s all about making something that’s uncomfortable comfortable. A lot of festools technology goes into keeping the user comfortable. Therefore being able to do things longer .
Well said!
Hahaha. I have a $50 Bosch orbital sander that I had to resort to using contact adhesive on to keep the discs on. Then I too was doing a project that I needed a better finish sander for, so I bought a festool 125/5. Now I use every excuse I find to buy another festool product. Unparalleled quality imho. A domino machine is next.
Haha adhesiving them on was such a PITA. You will love the domino when you get it. That thing is awesome!
Thank you for sharing your journey. I would suggest you not even try a Festool CXS, or you risk ended up with more Systainers in your shop. The CXS has become my go to drill driver. My Dewalt drill drivers are now used for non woodworking tasks.
I have the Milwaukee version of that drill. I absolutely love it. It is my most used milwaukee tool
I like your review, I have a Festool sander ETS 150 and two routers, I also have a mafell track saw which is even better than the Festool., I would like to get a Domino, just very expensive.
Nice! Been hearing a lot of good things about the mafell track saw.
Get the mafell dual dowler over a domino! I have the mafell track saw also Festool ct26 and festool ro150.
I got my first festool by trading an old table saw. The guy offered me the TS 55 with special addition systainer. Then my Wife bought me the OF 1400 EQ-F Plus Router for a B Day/ Christmas gift. Then I pulled the trigger on the Domino DF 500 Q Set with the dominoes tendons assortment systainer. I love the quality in the customer service for sure, but the quality of the tools is where it’s at for me..
They are definetly top notch! I got the same domino assortment systainer with my domino as well. I think that's a must of buying the domino. How do you like the router? Have you used it much yet?
I’m a hobbyist but believe in researching the tools that I buy and have many different brands that all perform well . That is why I bought the Mafell track saw , which is in my opinion better than the festool especially power wise. Now though the next 3 planned purchases are a ctm dust vac , 6 “ sander and a domino , all festool because they’re the best . Just don’t tell the wife .
Haha that's key. I don't think mine realizes how much these costed so hopefully she doesn't watch this video. Lol
I'm with you. You are right, Festool is a great system and works as a system. 👍
Anyone got feed back on the Festool routers? My dewalt plunge just quit. Which FT router do you guys recomend? Thanks
I have no experience with festool routers. I have heard good things but just don't personally have the experience. Hopefully someone will chime in for you.
I am a festool user as well. I love the quality, fit, Finish and feel. They are all such a treat to use! I’m moving toward FT woodworking as well and recently purchased a number of tools to upgrade and replace my HF and Amazon specials… I’m already enjoying the difference!! I’ve converted to the ‘buy once, cry once, school of thought. I look back at all the money spent, frustration from time wasted and sometimes failed projects, using inferior tools and I don’t see myself going back moving forward. Many of these tools will last me the next 5-10 years and beyond as long as the Maintenace is kept up. Thanks for your thoughts on this video! Keep doing what you do. I’m looking forward to more content!
Cheers!
Well said! My thoughts exactly as well. More content to come! Thanks for your comment
Do you have any videos on building photo frames. I too am a photg.
The Wen vs Festool track saw hit different. I've used both, and both have the same stupid issue - the tracks. I have to use an 8' level on it's side to line up the tracks to ensure they are straight. If they are off, even a 1/16 or smaller, that translates to like 1/8 or 1/4 over many feet (in my case 8-10 foot tables). I will say the Wen, while great for the price isn't super great for glue joint rips (when you rip one side, another, then put the two together and rip them together). I used a machinist square and no matter what, always off a little bit like .003. Same with Festool.
I only have experience with Festool tracksaw, nothing else. The domino I am eyeballing though because I find myself needing to do mortice and tenon more and more and I'm kinda wanting it now.
I secretly love sanding now. Why? I have the BOSCH ROS20VSC, and it's a 5". Get the hook and loop pad protector thingy (official name btw). I use the 3m 700 series sanding discs on the finish stuff and like 40-120 using gator discs on the really rough stuff and it's great. What makes it great is once you have the right hose to suck the dust, it's magic. Toss in my air pods and ear protection set and I get to zone out. I am looking at the new 3m sander and possibly, maybe a festool but the only tool I really need from them is the Domino. I fear that day, because I feel like I'll want everything else.
The domino is fantastic. That allows me to make furniture that I would not be able to without it. (Or would take a ton more time) I am the same way with sanding, ear buds in, tunes or podcast on and just zone out. Once you get it I'm sure you will love the domino. Thanks for the comment!
@@BradyHommel I believe as people work up to these tools, they will like at time value of money and realize that certain things are worth it.
I've had conversations get heated over festool. I let people bring their sander and side by side with the my sanders. Every single person bought the rotex so far.
People sure get worked up over it. Lol
I work at a Woodcraft and I see people come in for 1 festool product. They almost always come back for a little more, and a little more
Haha I'm sure! What's the best seller?
I too have been bitten by the Festool bug and I am looking for a 12 step program! Grant me the serenity! LOL
Tell us the first one you bought, and we’ll be happy to make suggestions for the next eleven to purchase. Boom. Twelve step program.
Haha. 😂
Has anyone compared the Festool sander with the new 3M sander? Curious how that would come down.
I would like that too. Maybe I will.
Still not convinced. Festool is not the only choice when it comes to high-end tools. I have a domino and I think it's great but then no one else offers one. I use it with a Bosch dust extractor that works great as well. Making comparisons to tools like Wen is just plain silly. They are designed for a totally different price point. I have a Makita track saw that gives me tablesaw quality cuts that also works well with my Bosch extractor with no adapters. If you're a carpenter doing on-site work, I can see the advantage of the Festool system but in a shop, don't drink the cool-aid that says every tool has to use the same proprietary power cord to be efficient.
My TS55 track saw failed after four years of light duty. Sent to FT for repair; quote is $401.00.!!! Found out that unless you specify fix only broken parts, they restore to like new which means they replace all parts which come to $400. I have asked for a revised quote and we will see how that comes out. But this $600 saw should not have had any failure with the light duty it has seen. Very disappointed.
That is a bummer. I agree that shouldn't happen for the price you pay. Hoping the revised quote is better for you.
Some love it, some can’t afford it….lol
I really like your hose stand. Can you provide any phtos???
The stand I built on top of the extractor? Send me your email. I'll send you some pics.
Hey can you link the protective disk?
Just liked it! keep in mind i linked the 5" protector pad because my sander is 5" so if yours is the 6" make sure you choose the 6" one
Thanks 💪
It's amazing to me that so many people out there believe that the only difference between a Festool product and another is the price. They are expensive for a reason and instead hating something for being of higher quality and more expensive why not set goals for yourself to attain it or else just shut up.
first thing i am interested in is the sander, anything else can wait for me
Sander is a great first option!
Bro u must have won the lottery
Worth is relative. This is a Schrödingers Cat scenario, until you buy one and how you use it, it is both worth it and not worth it at the same time.