I think that just represents people of a similar autism level, but I'm sure Digi thinks of it as a kind of x/y thing and just used the linear spectrum for simplicity's sake.
tbh it will depend on the number of characteristics. anything can be a continuous or discrete spectrum with n dimensions if it has n characteristics being classified
Autism specifically refers to an inability to communicate. Its cause might me multifactorial, I frankly dont know, but the result can be represented by a single value.
My personality since I was a kid was basically manufactured after cartoon characters I saw as popular because their "lol random" stupidity or whatever is what made people like them so I figured if I copied them I could pass off my awkwardness and lapses in judgment as being just for comedic effect I could survive. Didn't work.
I kinda did the same thing when I was in primary school. I had a friend who made inapripriate jokes and I watched a bunch of inapropriate fanmovies and imitated their dialogue. The teacher was kinda offended when I jokingly told my neighbor's son your mother is fucking ugly. I guess they didnt get the joke. (I was mad at him about a feud we had but I didn't know it would be taken seriously)
the good thing is that having realized that you can change. We've all been stupid in the past and smarter now, and we're all continuing to change. Unless we just sit there and look back into the past instead of the future. That being said, your comments were quite witty and sympathetic, enjoyed it.
As a recent parents & as a child who moved around a lot but never had many friends, also I didn't have TV but obviously everyone else did, it was something that caught my fascination when I was at someone else's house, but even early on when I was by myself in contemplation I realized that was a trap, art doesn't reflect society, society tends to reflect art, I hope we can all make more art that isn't a trap but instead is a helpful suggestion, weather that art be something you'd watch on TV, online, or anywhere else out of there we have the possibility to change people's perspective on things by showing them our own, And letting them interpret it.
How is it that an anime guy explains Aspergers better than anyone else? Seriously, people who think they know what they're saying explain my condition completely incorrectly and this is the first person who's actually said something that I can relate to.
its because while these people have credentials they dont really understand us. they have factual knowledge but no lived experience so we will always be alien to neurotypical psychologists despite their best efforts. They are biased towards what they do well so try to keep away from obsessively listening to their divine knowledge bcuz authority and stuff like I've had trouble with recently. Neurotypicals can only tell us what were doing wrong. And only we can tell neurotypicals what theyre doing wrong. And either group understands way better than the other what they're doing right because they can actually relate.
Just a precision : the "fittest" is the one who reproduces the most. Like, it's not that "not only the fittest reproduces", it's that who is the fittest gets decided after everythings done and you count babies (more precisely you count great-children). Physical attraction is largely due to people *guessing* the fitness. Just to reiterate, the tall guy doesn't reproduce more because he is the fittest, he is the fittest because he reproduces more.
Tom Fillot the mistake people have when trying talking about “survival of the fittest” triggers me so hard so I’m glad someone else mentioned it too. I Love digibro but when some people talk about “survival of the fittest” in the wrong way, I then expect them to also say that humans use 10% of their brain as well.
As somebody diagnosed with Aspergers', altough pretty light on the spectrum I feel, I learned to get by on communication with blind imitation and copying others. Whenever I'd met or heard someone with a particulary distinctive manner of speaking or a verbal tic, I'd find myself using that manner of speaking and/or tic myself when trying to talk, because if it worked for them, why wouldn't it work for me, right? That's how takling works, right? I still struggle with speaking "as myself", with so many quirks accumulated over the years, I'm still having epiphanies like "Oh right, that's how that one guy from middle school used to talk all those years ago, I probably should stop taking like that"
3:26 That begs a good question. What kind of individuals reproduce the most, the most often? Pretty sure the answer isn't rich people. If anything, they're less fit, because they're less likely to have children.
That's because we're at a point where 1) you don't need lots of relative wealth to afford children and 2) people who want to focus on their careers can easily prevent pregnancy. Therefore, we have increasing numbers of poor people on welfare who actually have more time to raise their kids with each consecutive generation and there's no reason to assume this trend won't continue. At some point we'll all be adult babies taken care of by machines.
That's fine and all... At least I had understood all that from your previous ranting. The biggest issue I have isn't with this theoretic basis behind your belief, but your impulsive tendence to categorize people or behaviour with Autism. The biggest thing, which I guess you're not understanding since you've got no interest in doing scientific research, is these categorised disorders refer to people with different neural structure. Having social ineptitude doesn't mean you're more Autistic than someone who doesn't, Autism is just a biological disposition. The farther from 'normal people' on some general similitude spectrum doesn't correlate with Autism. Even restricting it to Autistic behaviour, that wouldn't work either, because there're non neural structural reasons to develop those behaviours, which doesn't pertain to Autism. That being said, Psychologists often make that same mistake, as their experitise isn't neurology. The poster child of psychological misdiagnosis being ADHD, since most times it's just parents having difficulty raising children. Heck! The psychological standards to Psychopathy diagnosis are applicable to most people. But the problem is that it's treated so unscientifically.
+WikiJippo Oh man! You've captured it better than I ever could. Although I do think your short comparison between the Hero's Journey and Otaku Hero's Journey is somewhat misguided. I don't agree with Joseph Campbell on everything, but he thought the Hero's Journey captured something from our universal collective unconscious, which would explain it appearing in disconnected cultures. It being so broad means it’s natural for subdivisions to appear, regardless if it’s Normie or Otaku media, it isn’t an exclusive feature. In particular due to how incestuous Anime is, tropes develop fast.
You guys are having a fun discussion so I wanted to give you guys some additional info based on my own personal experience. I believe Digi isn't using the word Autism in the context that it is currently known, I mean this video is literally about redefining the meaning of the word Autism. But that's just some minor speculation on my part as someone who thinks pretty similarly to Digi regarding the topic. Although I do relate to Digi's stance on most topics I don't relate to his story about growing up nor his struggle with communicating. When I was a kid I was a normie, and if it weren't for anime on toonami back in the 2000's I still might be. My first anime was Yu Yu Hakusho back when it was airing on Toonami and I was so young Im surprised I remember it at all... But like, I totally remember watching Yusuke get zapped by Suzaku over and over, on my little 13 inch TV. Fast Forward to the age of 9 and I got the first season on DVD. That pretty much marked the beginning of my passion for anime, and led to me going online to find the later seasons. (I found anime streaming sites when my mom took my xbox away because all I did was play Nazi Zombies in World at War. I then went on to buy every CoD up to Black Ops 2... I was that much of a Normie) But the talons of anime had sunk in deep, and from the ripe age of 10 when I first found Justdubs.net I was binging every relevant show in the mid 2000's. My taste in anime was horrible when I was young, I was even a normie among Otaku standards. I've watched EVERY long running shounen from One Piece, to Toriko, to Hunter x Hunter. Of course Naruto and Bleach also got devoured and led me to read subs for the first time, but I was really fucking easy to please back then. I was totally using anime (and books) as a potent method of escapism and literally nothing could ruin my day if I knew I could squeeze a few episodes in. I remember watching SAO short after it came out and the male power fantasy had me hooked. It was my favorite anime for all of 3 months. I even went on to read the light novels, although I only got as far as the Morther's Rosario arc which actually wasn't terrible and I will not back down about that. Anime was my guilty pleasure in Middle School and High School, my schedule was always packed because I played football nearly year round and when I wasn't in practice I was probably out skating or biking with my friends. I actually used to hide the fact I watched anime because I thought all the kids in my school who watched anime were weird. I didn't relate to them even though we were consuming the same media, at least so I thought. I think the first Digi analysis video I saw was about SAO, and I remember having my eyes opened slowly to what made an anime truly good. It wasn't as if I hadn't saw any, but watching Digi's analysis on video's helped me understand why Yu Yu Hakusho (Still my favorite anime of all time) with it's fleshed out villians, and iconic cast are superior to a wish fulfillment pander-fest like SAO. I gave you guys this VERY brief history on my anime watching habits to show you how basic my taste in anime was, and considering I actually couldn't relate to a lot of anime characters, some of which I now love whole heartedly it reflects how much of a normie I really was. Despite the fact that I didn't relate to Otaku's when I was younger and predominantly hung out with my Normie friends it's kind of a mystery why something as niche as anime would appeal so much to me, and why would I spend so much time consuming it? I have always felt alone on spectrum even as a child. There was never anyone else quite like me, all my friends played football on the same team, but none of them watched anime like me. We liked the same movies, but while they played 2k, I was grinding Dark Souls. Partying with my friends was fun, but I could have as much fun reading a good book. Now I'll actually get to the point, and using the graph from the video for reference, like Digi I've always felt caught between spectrums. But I would put myself between the bell curves of the Normies and the Computer guys which is hilarious because I was a Comp Sci major before realizing I despise Math and switched to English. This is my own theory but since I related more to normies as a child, I think it was due to my exposure to anime, and other media that introduced me to how people further down the Spectrum think. That is what would lead me to lean more toward the Autists than the Normies in society, which is always dominated by Normies. JK that was just bait for my real point, simply because I am inbetween bell curves I don't have a place in society, my interest in literally anything and everything that fascinates me is so rare there's no need for society to meet my individual needs. (In fact due to this I've sort of followed the Otaku Hero's Journey to the point where I've rejected Society as it is, but I understand it, and I am going to change it so my needs can be met. You gotta be the change you wanna see in the World y'know) So even though I'm "less Autistic" then Digi I can relate whole heartedly because were ALL on the spectrum. Side Note: Looking at my post retroactively I noticed when I was young my standards were so low it was easy for society to meet my needs, entertainment was all i wanted or needed. Now my standards have risen which has narrowed my wide net of interest's into only the pinnacle of each. I can't just watch anime anymore, there need's to be something I can gain from it. I very much agree with Digi that art really just needs to focus on the fetish
+Devon Keegan That's the aspect of Digi's video I agree with. I just dislike him misusing scientific terminology, but I guess I should have gotten used to it by now though. I hope this short answer doesn't sound dismissive.
I so totally agree with you, the world needs more people like us, to struggle our way through it, turn around and say hey look at it from this perspective, it may just open your eyes or you may just learn something.
My brother and I have both been diagnosed with autism, so I can relate to feeling like an outsider with this condition. This video however was a long ramble, I don't think most people will have the patience to get through it.
Funny that you made this video. i’ve always watched your attempts to explain yourself and contextualize as coming from a similar motivation and style to me where i think things through in really specific detail to make up for how different i am by understanding the wider context of things. Also legit having spent the last month with my therapist trying to figure out if i am on the high functioning end of the spectrum because of a lifelong problem with fitting in and being uncomfortable with the greater worlds expectations.
This has probably been one of the most interesting and thought provoking videos - for me personally - that I've seen from you yet. Not bad Digi, not bad...I can totally connect with the idea of being an atypical person who's had to very consciously and in their own way, figure out how to adapt or conduct themselves in a manner that would be considered a social norm. Since such things are not immediately apparent, or natural for them.
This is the worst digibro video. I don't mean "I don't like this video". I mean "This video is bad". Why is it bad? Because the presented explanations for and uses of evolution, genetics, sexual selection, bell curves, the overton window, and chaos theory are flat out wrong or misleading. Sure words are only vessels for abstract meanings, but nobody can look at the inside of those vessels from the outside, so you need to agree with people on what the words mean. This must be what E-kon feels like when he lashes out at digi's anime content.
Yeah this a textbook example of someone that has no idea about what he is talking about. No idea of genetics, autism or anything. This is a very american way of doing things, thinking that you are intelligent enough to speak about everything, Dunning- Kruger at its finest. It's pretty clear that digibro knows as much about autism and genetics as Animesnob knows about anime. Or you know he is drunk as fuck.
For real, I think what he's trying to get across is mostly true, but he needs to stop using terms he doesn't understand if he wants to be taken seriously. "Don't take it literally guys" isn't a good enough excuse for invoking 5 fields of science without learning the basics of each first.
@the pasemi. you're failing to understand that digi doesn't give a shit about being taken seriously be the average masses in such a video. The chaotic nature of it just enhances the meaning for his target audience if you ask me. It caries a degree of wokeness that you wont find in some boring long lecture.
I don't have a problem with it being demonstrated that he's wrong. I have a problem with people insisting that he's wrong without explaining why he's wrong.
This video explains why I find it so easy to relate to you even if I sometimes disagree with you: we have really similar thought patterns and seem to experience autism in a very similar way.
Oh, same. He speaks in such a chaotic way but I don't even need to listen to him well because I already know where his mind will go next, same place as mine would.
Reminds me of my encounter with a very intelligent young woman diagnosed with ADHD. She was surprised to see similarities between us during our feisty interesting interactions and exchanges. Most people are scared of her when she's not on her meds. At one point after she took her meds, she reasonably and calmly share with me what she has learned about disorders, autism, aspergers and more before proceeding to say that she finds me being a much milder calmer version of her who could understand, acknowledge and accept her.
Fuck. Great piece, digi. One of my biggest barriers to overcome with respect to close friendships and contentment is that my taste and my interests are so different from the general person. Beyond that, I'm way more passionate about my interests and my hobbies than the general person. I understand how to morph to suit conversation with the general person, but I feel unseen even if I am accepted by a group because I know that group doesn't see things in the same way. Perhaps I'm drawn to your content because our taste matches? But I think, based on this video, it's more likely because you and I are in similar places on that spectrum. Again, excellent presentation. I feel like you're simultaneously defending yourself well and providing meaningful education.
"Lets talk about autism" *five minute prefatory tirade on the evolution of species and the the impact on our intelligent social structures as a force in evolution*
Whenever digi gets anywhere near science or math, my opinion of him drops so fucking much. The world would be better off if he wrote/reccorded his thoughts on that shit, and never released it.
Damn this made me have some serious epiphanies about my place in society... I think I'm gonna have to take a week to properly assess the new info and figure out how this can help me. Thanks Digi XD
I really liked your video, Digi. And you're right how we work hard to make our own place in society, and what you've said makes me feel better about myself. Everyone says I'm intelligent, but I only understand emotions and empathy when it comes down to it. I cannot relate to anyone my age (mostly), and though I liked reading books, I never understood what they were about literarily let alone the stupid expressions like "furrowed eyebrows" or whatever the heck the characters faces were doing. But I wanted books I could love and ubderstand, so I gravitated towards manga and started to write my own stories that, quite honestly, make hardly any sense to those around me (Like you mentioned with your music). But I still feel compelled to write them even if my style is "eccentric." And sure some of my books have "mainstream-leaning" concepts (like an MG fantasy series about psychological coming of age rather than physical) but most of it is crazily experimental. Also I love how you mentioned you're describing autism in the "most autistic way possible," and you got me there XD It's quite true. If someone asked me, I'd probably respond in the same roundabout way except Id go the psychology route instead of the genetic route, but I found the genetic angle very interesting. Because it's true that everyone is made different and has different needs but groups show up and patterns form. Thanks for making my day, Digi PS the "wierd stuff" genre is a niche but it's still nice when we are targeted. I've been watching Kaiba on your recommendation and I love it to death. I just want to fade away in that world and never leave ---
Part of me thinks this entire video was made to make that Sonic burn. It would be interesting to learn what specifically you have/had problems with communicating. I just wonder if it's one of those instances where literally everyone has those same problems, it's just you have felt more pressure and discomfort in not understanding them.
Arbra5934 I’m going into psych as my major in college atm, and the autism spectrum is very intriguing to me. Can’t wait to learn more from classes and relate deeper to Digi’s prospectives. (:
I don't know if you'll bother reading these comments Digi, but tl;dr The skepticism you applied towards the binary idea of "autistic" or "normal"; apply that same skepticism towards this idea of a single spectrum that... "they" ("the scientists"?) have unanimously agreed upon.
Coming from sales, he makes some very valid points. Working in an electronics store, you get many people who don't know anything about computers that can be considered the mom and pops (i.e ; only use said device to check Emails, do Banking, read the news and visit social media for friends and family). The everyday normies (i.e social media poster, mobile photographers, instagram users / Vlogers) You then get another group who are students / business owners or office workers (i.e Entrepreneurs, Office workers, Engineers, or Scientists who need the aid of computing so they need something more advanced). Finally the Media centered people or people who are very familiar with their computing needs (i.e Gamers, Streamers, Programmers.) Seeing these types of people doesn't necessarily mean they are "autuistic" in the everyday definition that psychiatrists say they are, but in the sense that they are autistic in your own world or POV. Summing it all up, we're all different and you should just embrace your own self and realize that in the end, Death is coming and you shouldn't waste your time worrying about what others think about you.
Just to add to this in regards to how autism presents on the spectrum and stuff, I've heard echoed from a few people that are on the spectrum that in practice it's actually less like a spectrum (going from normie/ high functioning to low functioning) and more like a topping bar where there are so many different symptoms and ways those symptoms can even present that trying to determine how low or high functioning they are (which is ofc as you said relative to society) is essentially impossible. Like you use verbal vs non verbal as a example but because there are so many other factors in how autism presents two people that are are close on the spectrum could present so differently that they would have less in common with each other than they might with someone further away on the spectrum who happens to present similarly to them. Which in the context of the metaphor of a topping bar ((which btw I'm using because that's how I saw it described and articulated, if it sounds overly cute for anyone's taste it's likely because I came across this in the context of a mother comparing the way her autism differs from her son)) would be like two people having chocolate syrup and chocolate sprinkles on their ice cream but one of them also happens to have a few other toppings as opposed to two people who have a similar amount of toppings but none of them are similar between the two. So in practice, if I remember correctly, the mother said that she was very verbal and had a fairly easy time communicating her ideas but was very easily overstimulated esp physically while her son was very non verbal but also essentially required physical touch as a means to calm him down. They are both failed in some way by the way that majority of society interacts and deems normal or acceptable HOWEVER the way of approaching meeting their needs is very different regardless of how close to "normal" they may be deemed.
MichaelaLoser yeah, I’m on the spectrum, and a linear spectrum is the wrong way to think about autism. Autism is a collection of vague traits that seem to coexist very often and cause each other. Every autistic person will have different combinations of those traits at differing intensities.
I'm glad there was some clarification about autism being specific to communication here. It felt so off-base in the Only Yesterday podcast when it seemed like Digi was just referring to it as "anything that makes you non-normal". I still think "communication disorder" doesn't quite cover it, but it is definitely elusive.
Same here man! I was diagnosed with Assburgers until my teacher sent me to a doctor for him to say I had a mental disorder, instead he said I was just Smarter and more Mature than everyone else my age.
Undoubtedly, I think it is one of your best videos. Great Explanation of the Autism spectrum. I have being diagnosed with asperger and, since two years ago, I have tried with a lot of effort to be good at talking and communicating with other people around me.
Minor nitpick about the height thing - height isn't something particularly selected for by natural selection, at least not anymore - that's an example of sexual selection, more than anything else. They're *similar* in effect, but sexual selection also has a bad habit of selecting for traits that are really, really bad for the individual. Like being so tall your bones are on the verge of being unable to handle it. Or having antlers so large you literally can't eat the damn grass because your head decorations get in the way. Or having tail feathers so big you can't even fucking fly anymore. Suffice to say that sexual selection is geeeenerally not the sort of selective pressure you want to use when talking about natural selection because it tends to fly in the face of "fittest".
The amount of thinking I had to do while watching this video is why I love Digibro. Although I do relate to Digi's stance on most topics I don't relate to his story about growing up nor his struggle with communicating. When I was a kid I was a normie, and if it weren't for anime on toonami back in the 2000's I still might be. My first anime was Yu Yu Hakusho back when it was airing on Toonami and I was so young Im surprised I remember it at all... But like, I totally remember watching Yusuke get zapped by Suzaku over and over, on my little 13 inch TV. Fast Forward to the age of 9 and I got the first season on DVD. That pretty much marked the beginning of my passion for anime, and led to me going online to find the later seasons. (I found anime streaming sites when my mom took my xbox away because all I did was play Nazi Zombies in World at War. I then went on to buy every CoD up to Black Ops 2... I was that much of a Normie) But the talons of anime had sunk in deep, and from the ripe age of 10 when I first found Justdubs.net I was binging every relevant show in the mid 2000's. My taste in anime was horrible when I was young, I was even a normie among Otaku standards. I've watched EVERY long running shounen from One Piece, to Toriko, to Hunter x Hunter. Of course Naruto and Bleach also got devoured and led me to reading subs for the first time, but I was really fucking easy to please back then. I was totally using anime (and books) as a potent method of escapism and literally nothing could ruin my day if I knew I could squeeze a few episodes in. I remember watching SAO short after it came out and the male power fantasy had me hooked. It was my favorite anime for all of 3 months. I even went on to read the light novels, although I only got as far as the Mother's Rosario arc which actually wasn't terrible. Anime was my guilty pleasure in Middle School and High School, my schedule was always packed because I played football nearly year round, and when I wasn't in practice I was probably out skating or biking with my friends. I actually used to hide the fact I watched anime because I thought all the kids in my school who watched anime were weird. I didn't relate to them even though we were consuming the same media, at least so I thought. I think the first Digi analysis video I saw was about SAO, and I remember having my eyes opened slowly to what made an anime truly good. It wasn't as if I hadn't saw any, but watching Digi's analysis video's helped me understand why Yu Yu Hakusho (Still my favorite anime of all time) with it's fleshed out villians, and iconic cast are superior to a wish fulfillment pander-fest like SAO. I gave you guys this VERY brief history on my anime watching habits to show you how basic my taste in anime was, and considering I actually couldn't relate to a lot of anime characters, some of which I now love whole heartedly it reflects how much of a normie I really was. Despite the fact that I didn't relate to Otaku's when I was younger and predominantly hung out with my Normie friends it's kind of a mystery why something as niche as anime would appeal so much to me, and why would I spend so much time consuming it? Well I have always felt alone on spectrum, even as a child when this concept would have flown right over my head. There was never anyone else quite like me, all my friends played football on the same team, but none of them watched anime like me. We liked the same movies, but while they played 2k, I was grinding Dark Souls. Partying with my friends was fun, but I could have as much fun reading a good book. Now I'll actually get to the point, and using the graph from the video for reference, like Digi I've always felt caught between bell curves, but I would put myself between the bell curves of the Normies and the Computer guys which is hilarious. I was actually a Comp Sci major before realizing I despise Math and switched to English. This is my own theory but since I related more to normies as a child, I think it was due to my exposure to anime, and some other media that introduced me to how people further down the Spectrum think. That is what would lead me to lean more toward the Autists than the Normies in society, which is always dominated by Normies. JK that was just bait for my real point, simply because I am inbetween bell curves I don't have a place in society, my interest in literally anything and everything that fascinates me is so rare there's no need for society to meet my individual needs. Seriously the closest comparison I can make is Gon Freecs, and his interest in whatever whether it be morally right or not. (In fact due to this I've sort of followed the Otaku Hero's Journey to the point where I've rejected Society as it is, but I understand it, and I am going to change it so my needs can be met. You gotta be the change you wanna see in the World y'know) This means even though I have no problem functioning in society, I don't quite fit in and I can relate to those rejected by it. My point is even though I'm "less Autistic" then Digi I can relate whole heartedly because were ALL on the spectrum. Side Note: Looking at my post retroactively I noticed when I was young my standards were so low it was easy for society to meet my needs, entertainment was all i wanted or needed. Now my standards have risen which has narrowed my wide net of interest's into only the pinnacle of each. I can't just watch anime anymore, there need's to be something I can gain from it. I very much agree with Digi that art really just needs to focus on the fetish
Great fucking video, Digi. I've known a good number of people on the spectrum over the years and this really helped me see things from a different perspective.
I never had an issue with people being in the autistic spectrum, I got along just fine with quite a few of them. But recently I've been struggling with realizing that I myself might be an "aspie" and suddenly the thought became horrifying. I've been going back and forth with it all week, trying to reconcile with the probability. Anyway, THANK YOU, I'm not sure how, but the video made me feel less like an unwelcomed alien.
23:00 Have you ever considered... the difference between the people you categorize as 'normies' and the people you categorize as 'aspergers' or 'mildly autistic' is that the normies just learnt (and are continuing to learn) their own way of communicating... and they've seen success or haven't paid attention to the times they've blundered. So they've just ridden that confidence their entire lives as a result of sheer circumstance, while you hit roadblocks and found yourself analyzing the mechanics of conversation at an older age. There's no difference between what you've learnt to do, and what Mr. Normie from the Generic Product Sales/Marketing Dept. had to learn how to do.
I think both kinds of people exist, it's not mutually exclusive. There are people who are born midly autistic and can't change that, and there are people who isolate themselves excesively and progressively lose their social skills/confidence, to the point where they are functionally autistic. I'd say the differences between people who are diagnostically autistic and social rejects is pretty easy to tell in most cases, but the line gets blurred near the "normie" end of the spectrum.
I'm not saying there's no difference by the way, I'm saying that I wouldn't be too quick to diagnose myself with autism when my symptoms are basically indistinguishable from 'art'-ism
i mean if your really getting that caught up on the word you could just call it newtype syndrome, either way its just a label used to distinguish yourself from the normies. i don't see anything wrong with calling yourself an autor if that's the label you prefer
I understand that this wasn't said maliciously, but perhaps read up on the science behind autism before you conclude that everyone is normal and the more autistic people just didn't try hard enough.
Excellent video Digibro, I knew what you meant. For the longest time I always studied videos like these, gaining different interpretations on what it means to be "Autistic" or "On the spectrum", just trying to figure where I fit in with all this. And I'm genuinely glad that someone like you, did a personal explanation on the subject.
As someone who studied ecogoly, this is pain full to watch. You went from farmers to high technology. 0.o then started on population genetics, but then just left the second population there. And now representation, then into economics. You make a point, a good one, but it takes a long time to get there. The first 15 mins can be cut to maybe 2.
Explaining Autism with a chart and arbitrary symbols to help visualize broad abstract concepts like human evolution and the relationships between Autists and normies in society? This is more than just meta. It's like using autism to explain autism to Autists
3:23 That's deep, and something which has clearly taken me way too long to figure out, because not until you just said it, have I really comprehended that I'm wrong about language. This video is very enlightening. I've had that idea in my mind for a long time now. When I debate pedophilia with people, they say "it's a mental disorder". I figured out, though, that a mental disorder is only considered a mental disorder because humans subjectively consider that that kind of brain is bad, that it doesn't fit into society. Society doesn't have a place for even non contact pedophiles, which are the ones whom I defend. That's unfortunate for non contact pedophiles, but if there were enough of them, society would be different. The quite sinister aspect, though, is that it seems that it is likely that small groups of people with brains which do not fit into society will never fit into society. It seems that LGBT people have only succeeded because they are a large enough group of people.
If I didn't already know what the hell you were talking about the first 12 minutes would have made no damn sense lol. Also, although I'd agree with the general idea of what you are saying, you can't just 100% call autistic people "different". Although that is a good mindset to treat people with (and is true for autistic people that have learned to socialize), it's not like a group of autist would necessarily socialize with each other well because... the problem with autist is that that social part of their brain is typically hampered. Like, being unable to look people in the eye, and having panic attacks is just a straight up disorder. really the whole intro the this comment was just to ease in that last sentence. Keeping that one thing in mind, i'd say great video.
Everyone here should go to Nick on planet ripple to hear about autism from someone who actually has it. He's writing a comic that involves the ideas of autism heavily, so go check it out.
literally digi using autism as a neutral/sometimes positive description instead of a derogatory one has helped me feel less bad about being autistic. normalization doesnt just educate the normies; it can help get the autists to feel worthy of society's recognition and inspire them to make the changes they need.
Totes dude. I think you really have to just take in info out there any realize that noone really knows what they're doing. Do not put to much trust in psych authorities. Like anyone in a profession has his own limited perspective of what they have actually lived. (social) Scientists are good at using the context they have to make conclusions. but many of these academic types dont really have that much experience in life. while the average person has more experience with people they conform to authority way more so the things they will not be good at discussing complex subjects with nuance because they've never really bothered. they might understand a bunch of stuff better than us unconciously than us autists. but we can actually convince people and make change if were non autistic enough. Life is kind of a balance of gathering knowledge and using it in chaotic reality. and we kinda got the gathering proper knowledge part figured out.
Kinda completely unrelated but ive been dribbling this idea in my head for while: like you I am fascinated by visual art, and, like you have expressed before, I suck at it. I sometimes feel like words arent enough to, i dont want to say express but rather, actualize my thoughts. How did you learn to deal with the frustration of not being able to visualize your thoughts on a piece of paper? Or did it never bother you?
This is a great video, but I was listening to it in the background and then switched back over near the end and had to laugh at how much of a mess that diagram became
I like the way you explain there are some levels, because that's quite right. My two children are Asperger and both are different in their way to "suffer" this difference. The first has a great ability to express with words, when the second finds it hard to speek at the same pace than everyone else. The first was able to go through the (f.) educative system, when the second just can't stand it... I have one question, still, you say that when there is no room for us in that society, one should create its own job, but the money trouble is something that can't be solved easily. I think of my second 16 years old son, who is not done yet with the educative part of his life and dreams he can design a great video game. But there is no room for his ideas at this age, and he finds it pretty depressing. What do you suggest I could do as his mum, to help ?
The only problem with eugenics is that it threw out the science. In foundation it was correct. Some people are just better, and their kids will also be better. Does this entitle them to rule the world? Fucked if I know.
I lost my shit at 1:59. It's an ok movie but the butterfly effect refers to the flap of the butterflies wings causing a hurricane. How a little gust of wind can snowball in effect causing one of truly massive scale. Not trying to be that guy but having known the original quote then seen 3 movies play with the trope gives it further reference. Works for the video regardless, I'm just expositing history for a term most probably haven't heard save for in the title of a film. Edit: damn I wasn't expecting a deep dive very similar to the realization I had on an acid trip lately. Only worded a tad more niche, as is the way of the Digi.
So this is what Digi meant when he said he wanted to make videos which are actually relevant to the Anime community.
I'm gonna comment first to protect you from salt. 👍
Comment of the Year
anime comunity is in the spectrum
so it is relevant to them
EVERYONE GET IN THE SPECTRUM
I like how he spent 20 minutes setting up a roast for Darling in the Franxx fans.
he's gotten good at it
How Can Autism Be Real If Our Languages Aren't Real
I have Austism the shit has no real definition.
Is this Jaden smith's twitter?
A linear spectrum isn't gonna cut it if you wanna categorize all autism types. We need a matrix.
I think that just represents people of a similar autism level, but I'm sure Digi thinks of it as a kind of x/y thing and just used the linear spectrum for simplicity's sake.
I think he just want to explain the concept and not the category
tbh it will depend on the number of characteristics. anything can be a continuous or discrete spectrum with n dimensions if it has n characteristics being classified
ded inside So we have the X-axis. What would the Y-axis represent?
Autism specifically refers to an inability to communicate. Its cause might me multifactorial, I frankly dont know, but the result can be represented by a single value.
This is like a mini pcp university lecture
JoJo Banks but without random chanting
THOVE
THOVE
THOVE THOVE
My personality since I was a kid was basically manufactured after cartoon characters I saw as popular because their "lol random" stupidity or whatever is what made people like them so I figured if I copied them I could pass off my awkwardness and lapses in judgment as being just for comedic effect I could survive. Didn't work.
I kinda did the same thing when I was in primary school. I had a friend who made inapripriate jokes and I watched a bunch of inapropriate fanmovies and imitated their dialogue. The teacher was kinda offended when I jokingly told my neighbor's son your mother is fucking ugly. I guess they didnt get the joke. (I was mad at him about a feud we had but I didn't know it would be taken seriously)
the good thing is that having realized that you can change. We've all been stupid in the past and smarter now, and we're all continuing to change.
Unless we just sit there and look back into the past instead of the future.
That being said, your comments were quite witty and sympathetic, enjoyed it.
As a recent parents & as a child who moved around a lot but never had many friends, also I didn't have TV but obviously everyone else did, it was something that caught my fascination when I was at someone else's house, but even early on when I was by myself in contemplation I realized that was a trap, art doesn't reflect society, society tends to reflect art, I hope we can all make more art that isn't a trap but instead is a helpful suggestion, weather that art be something you'd watch on TV, online, or anywhere else out of there we have the possibility to change people's perspective on things by showing them our own,
And letting them interpret it.
"Here is God." -draws a dot. I have never related to you more Digi.
What would someone think if they just stumbled upon this whiteboard with no context?
*butterfly meme* “is this a autism?”
Just because there is an electromagnetic spectrum doesn’t mean that I am a infared wave
Actually you are. But I concour with your point if not the example.
Every particle has a wave function. You too, are a giant extremely complex wave function.
21:36 : ''This is what I mean when I say we're all in the spectrum'' > Shows completely incomprehensible whiteboard.
"Digibro Explains Neon Geneis Evangelion.mp4"
I wonder what impact listening to Digibro talk out of his ass at 4 am about anthropology and mental health will have on the entirety of my existence.
deep dude, i wonder how different the effect will be on me since i got 6am
It'll make you megawoke
@@ReitheOffbeatOtaku *YOU GOTTA STAY WOKE*
Language is a metaphor for reality man
How is it that an anime guy explains Aspergers better than anyone else? Seriously, people who think they know what they're saying explain my condition completely incorrectly and this is the first person who's actually said something that I can relate to.
its because while these people have credentials they dont really understand us. they have factual knowledge but no lived experience so we will always be alien to neurotypical psychologists despite their best efforts. They are biased towards what they do well so try to keep away from obsessively listening to their divine knowledge bcuz authority and stuff like I've had trouble with recently. Neurotypicals can only tell us what were doing wrong. And only we can tell neurotypicals what theyre doing wrong. And either group understands way better than the other what they're doing right because they can actually relate.
Mostly because those who are well versed in the scientific aspect are themselves slightly utistic. Thats why science communictors are so rare.
This should go to Essential Digibro like... right now
exactly
Just a precision : the "fittest" is the one who reproduces the most. Like, it's not that "not only the fittest reproduces", it's that who is the fittest gets decided after everythings done and you count babies (more precisely you count great-children). Physical attraction is largely due to people *guessing* the fitness.
Just to reiterate, the tall guy doesn't reproduce more because he is the fittest, he is the fittest because he reproduces more.
Tom Fillot the mistake people have when trying talking about “survival of the fittest” triggers me so hard so I’m glad someone else mentioned it too. I Love digibro but when some people talk about “survival of the fittest” in the wrong way, I then expect them to also say that humans use 10% of their brain as well.
"We're not even at the end point of our evolution"
Only when we all collectively realise that we live in a society will be when the other 90% of our brains are unlocked
I said the exact same thing about the number of babies tbh.
To be exact, from an evolutionary point of view the "fittest" is just the one who doesn't fucking die before reproducing.
*Gets to the end of the video and realizes the marker was permanent*
Frames the whiteboard
I was wondering
*remembers you can use ethyl alcohol to remove permanent markers*
nice
Is this gonna be on the test?
Imao
Got diagnosed a with aspergers in my 20s. It's still hard to live with aspergers if you don't know anyone with your interests in real life.
6 months until digi is gene splicing
4 now, I guess
Salokin one month to go
I was getting tired of not having a new Rick and Morty episode, but this was a superb substitute.
Indeed.
As somebody diagnosed with Aspergers', altough pretty light on the spectrum I feel, I learned to get by on communication with blind imitation and copying others. Whenever I'd met or heard someone with a particulary distinctive manner of speaking or a verbal tic, I'd find myself using that manner of speaking and/or tic myself when trying to talk, because if it worked for them, why wouldn't it work for me, right? That's how takling works, right?
I still struggle with speaking "as myself", with so many quirks accumulated over the years, I'm still having epiphanies like "Oh right, that's how that one guy from middle school used to talk all those years ago, I probably should stop taking like that"
3:26 That begs a good question. What kind of individuals reproduce the most, the most often? Pretty sure the answer isn't rich people. If anything, they're less fit, because they're less likely to have children.
That's because we're at a point where 1) you don't need lots of relative wealth to afford children and 2) people who want to focus on their careers can easily prevent pregnancy. Therefore, we have increasing numbers of poor people on welfare who actually have more time to raise their kids with each consecutive generation and there's no reason to assume this trend won't continue. At some point we'll all be adult babies taken care of by machines.
+Madness This just means lower class people are most genetically fit.
So much Adderall so little time
comfy levels are off the charts
That's fine and all... At least I had understood all that from your previous ranting. The biggest issue I have isn't with this theoretic basis behind your belief, but your impulsive tendence to categorize people or behaviour with Autism. The biggest thing, which I guess you're not understanding since you've got no interest in doing scientific research, is these categorised disorders refer to people with different neural structure. Having social ineptitude doesn't mean you're more Autistic than someone who doesn't, Autism is just a biological disposition. The farther from 'normal people' on some general similitude spectrum doesn't correlate with Autism. Even restricting it to Autistic behaviour, that wouldn't work either, because there're non neural structural reasons to develop those behaviours, which doesn't pertain to Autism. That being said, Psychologists often make that same mistake, as their experitise isn't neurology. The poster child of psychological misdiagnosis being ADHD, since most times it's just parents having difficulty raising children. Heck! The psychological standards to Psychopathy diagnosis are applicable to most people. But the problem is that it's treated so unscientifically.
we have to admit autism is a slang for deviant behaviour tho, especially when it concerns jokes
+WikiJippo Oh man! You've captured it better than I ever could.
Although I do think your short comparison between the Hero's Journey and Otaku Hero's Journey is somewhat misguided. I don't agree with Joseph Campbell on everything, but he thought the Hero's Journey captured something from our universal collective unconscious, which would explain it appearing in disconnected cultures. It being so broad means it’s natural for subdivisions to appear, regardless if it’s Normie or Otaku media, it isn’t an exclusive feature. In particular due to how incestuous Anime is, tropes develop fast.
You guys are having a fun discussion so I wanted to give you guys some additional info based on my own personal experience. I believe Digi isn't using the word Autism in the context that it is currently known, I mean this video is literally about redefining the meaning of the word Autism. But that's just some minor speculation on my part as someone who thinks pretty similarly to Digi regarding the topic. Although I do relate to Digi's stance on most topics I don't relate to his story about growing up nor his struggle with communicating. When I was a kid I was a normie, and if it weren't for anime on toonami back in the 2000's I still might be.
My first anime was Yu Yu Hakusho back when it was airing on Toonami and I was so young Im surprised I remember it at all... But like, I totally remember watching Yusuke get zapped by Suzaku over and over, on my little 13 inch TV. Fast Forward to the age of 9 and I got the first season on DVD. That pretty much marked the beginning of my passion for anime, and led to me going online to find the later seasons. (I found anime streaming sites when my mom took my xbox away because all I did was play Nazi Zombies in World at War. I then went on to buy every CoD up to Black Ops 2... I was that much of a Normie)
But the talons of anime had sunk in deep, and from the ripe age of 10 when I first found Justdubs.net I was binging every relevant show in the mid 2000's. My taste in anime was horrible when I was young, I was even a normie among Otaku standards. I've watched EVERY long running shounen from One Piece, to Toriko, to Hunter x Hunter. Of course Naruto and Bleach also got devoured and led me to read subs for the first time, but I was really fucking easy to please back then. I was totally using anime (and books) as a potent method of escapism and literally nothing could ruin my day if I knew I could squeeze a few episodes in. I remember watching SAO short after it came out and the male power fantasy had me hooked. It was my favorite anime for all of 3 months. I even went on to read the light novels, although I only got as far as the Morther's Rosario arc which actually wasn't terrible and I will not back down about that.
Anime was my guilty pleasure in Middle School and High School, my schedule was always packed because I played football nearly year round and when I wasn't in practice I was probably out skating or biking with my friends. I actually used to hide the fact I watched anime because I thought all the kids in my school who watched anime were weird. I didn't relate to them even though we were consuming the same media, at least so I thought. I think the first Digi analysis video I saw was about SAO, and I remember having my eyes opened slowly to what made an anime truly good. It wasn't as if I hadn't saw any, but watching Digi's analysis on video's helped me understand why Yu Yu Hakusho (Still my favorite anime of all time) with it's fleshed out villians, and iconic cast are superior to a wish fulfillment pander-fest like SAO.
I gave you guys this VERY brief history on my anime watching habits to show you how basic my taste in anime was, and considering I actually couldn't relate to a lot of anime characters, some of which I now love whole heartedly it reflects how much of a normie I really was. Despite the fact that I didn't relate to Otaku's when I was younger and predominantly hung out with my Normie friends it's kind of a mystery why something as niche as anime would appeal so much to me, and why would I spend so much time consuming it? I have always felt alone on spectrum even as a child. There was never anyone else quite like me, all my friends played football on the same team, but none of them watched anime like me. We liked the same movies, but while they played 2k, I was grinding Dark Souls. Partying with my friends was fun, but I could have as much fun reading a good book.
Now I'll actually get to the point, and using the graph from the video for reference, like Digi I've always felt caught between spectrums. But I would put myself between the bell curves of the Normies and the Computer guys which is hilarious because I was a Comp Sci major before realizing I despise Math and switched to English. This is my own theory but since I related more to normies as a child, I think it was due to my exposure to anime, and other media that introduced me to how people further down the Spectrum think. That is what would lead me to lean more toward the Autists than the Normies in society, which is always dominated by Normies.
JK that was just bait for my real point, simply because I am inbetween bell curves I don't have a place in society, my interest in literally anything and everything that fascinates me is so rare there's no need for society to meet my individual needs. (In fact due to this I've sort of followed the Otaku Hero's Journey to the point where I've rejected Society as it is, but I understand it, and I am going to change it so my needs can be met. You gotta be the change you wanna see in the World y'know) So even though I'm "less Autistic" then Digi I can relate whole heartedly because were ALL on the spectrum.
Side Note: Looking at my post retroactively I noticed when I was young my standards were so low it was easy for society to meet my needs, entertainment was all i wanted or needed. Now my standards have risen which has narrowed my wide net of interest's into only the pinnacle of each. I can't just watch anime anymore, there need's to be something I can gain from it. I very much agree with Digi that art really just needs to focus on the fetish
+Devon Keegan That's the aspect of Digi's video I agree with. I just dislike him misusing scientific terminology, but I guess I should have gotten used to it by now though. I hope this short answer doesn't sound dismissive.
@@igorlowensahr6901 Nah it just proves you understand and further discussion is pointless
Drunk Digibro strikes again
This isn't the work of alcohol. Probably adderal.
Álvaro Lopes he was drinking at the beginning tho
@@Orikron either way its a party
Digi. Fittest in the biological context means "Who can have the most kids"
The physical concept is entirely relevant, its what you were explaining.
Whi can raise the most kids to reproductive age is more accurate.
I mean, if we want to be the most technical, whoever can raise the kids who then go on to raise the most kids is the most correct definition.
Explore the occult, Digi.
My god, if he does it, I'll have to meet him in person.
@asdfers
Damn his soul? What the hell are you talking about
@@bartsampson1523 he will be forced to watch narutoXlinkinPark amv's for the rest of time
My professor literally talked about some of this in my anthropology elective class.
Looks like somebody wanted citations.
@@mushy2626 lmfao
for some reason i was laughing so hard when you started talking about people liking sonic and darling in the franxx
New series science with drunk digi
SappyDaddy I want science with high digi
SappyDaddy Anime related Science with Drunk Digibro (let’s not get crazy, thou it would be entraining to see him explain quark’s)
Like drunk history, but with science!
I so totally agree with you, the world needs more people like us, to struggle our way through it, turn around and say hey look at it from this perspective, it may just open your eyes or you may just learn something.
My brother and I have both been diagnosed with autism, so I can relate to feeling like an outsider with this condition. This video however was a long ramble, I don't think most people will have the patience to get through it.
Funny that you made this video. i’ve always watched your attempts to explain yourself and contextualize as coming from a similar motivation and style to me where i think things through in really specific detail to make up for how different i am by understanding the wider context of things. Also legit having spent the last month with my therapist trying to figure out if i am on the high functioning end of the spectrum because of a lifelong problem with fitting in and being uncomfortable with the greater worlds expectations.
“That’s what we call..the normies” I laughed so hard
This whiteboard makes as much sense as the one you drew for your doujin time travel plot.
This is one of the best explanations of autism I've heard.
Autism is not a disorder or disease. It's nothing more than variation of brain structure.
This has probably been one of the most interesting and thought provoking videos - for me personally - that I've seen from you yet. Not bad Digi, not bad...I can totally connect with the idea of being an atypical person who's had to very consciously and in their own way, figure out how to adapt or conduct themselves in a manner that would be considered a social norm. Since such things are not immediately apparent, or natural for them.
"there are just people who don't fuck, regardless of why" best quote ever!
"Is he gonna fight lions or is he gonna be a daughter?" Asking the important questions...
This is the worst digibro video. I don't mean "I don't like this video". I mean "This video is bad". Why is it bad? Because the presented explanations for and uses of evolution, genetics, sexual selection, bell curves, the overton window, and chaos theory are flat out wrong or misleading. Sure words are only vessels for abstract meanings, but nobody can look at the inside of those vessels from the outside, so you need to agree with people on what the words mean. This must be what E-kon feels like when he lashes out at digi's anime content.
Yeah this a textbook example of someone that has no idea about what he is talking about. No idea of genetics, autism or anything. This is a very american way of doing things, thinking that you are intelligent enough to speak about everything, Dunning- Kruger at its finest. It's pretty clear that digibro knows as much about autism and genetics as Animesnob knows about anime.
Or you know he is drunk as fuck.
For real, I think what he's trying to get across is mostly true, but he needs to stop using terms he doesn't understand if he wants to be taken seriously. "Don't take it literally guys" isn't a good enough excuse for invoking 5 fields of science without learning the basics of each first.
Prove it.
@the pasemi. you're failing to understand that digi doesn't give a shit about being taken seriously be the average masses in such a video. The chaotic nature of it just enhances the meaning for his target audience if you ask me. It caries a degree of wokeness that you wont find in some boring long lecture.
I don't have a problem with it being demonstrated that he's wrong.
I have a problem with people insisting that he's wrong without explaining why he's wrong.
"We are all autism."
-Digibro, 2018
“These two sisters fuck and they have a kid”
I love you Digi
This video explains why I find it so easy to relate to you even if I sometimes disagree with you: we have really similar thought patterns and seem to experience autism in a very similar way.
Oh, same. He speaks in such a chaotic way but I don't even need to listen to him well because I already know where his mind will go next, same place as mine would.
yep thats how the butterfly effect works, you step on it :3
Reminds me of my encounter with a very intelligent young woman diagnosed with ADHD. She was surprised to see similarities between us during our feisty interesting interactions and exchanges. Most people are scared of her when she's not on her meds. At one point after she took her meds, she reasonably and calmly share with me what she has learned about disorders, autism, aspergers and more before proceeding to say that she finds me being a much milder calmer version of her who could understand, acknowledge and accept her.
Fuck. Great piece, digi. One of my biggest barriers to overcome with respect to close friendships and contentment is that my taste and my interests are so different from the general person. Beyond that, I'm way more passionate about my interests and my hobbies than the general person. I understand how to morph to suit conversation with the general person, but I feel unseen even if I am accepted by a group because I know that group doesn't see things in the same way.
Perhaps I'm drawn to your content because our taste matches? But I think, based on this video, it's more likely because you and I are in similar places on that spectrum.
Again, excellent presentation. I feel like you're simultaneously defending yourself well and providing meaningful education.
15 minutes in and he finally says "autism". Hell yeah.
He needed you to know the context before he described the actual subject. You might not understand if you didn't have the full picture
"Lets talk about autism" *five minute prefatory tirade on the evolution of species and the the impact on our intelligent social structures as a force in evolution*
nvm it was fifteen minutes
Whenever digi gets anywhere near science or math, my opinion of him drops so fucking much. The world would be better off if he wrote/reccorded his thoughts on that shit, and never released it.
Damn this made me have some serious epiphanies about my place in society... I think I'm gonna have to take a week to properly assess the new info and figure out how this can help me. Thanks Digi XD
I am enjoying every second of this. You are my favorite anime youtuber
// *minecraft savant* //
I really liked your video, Digi. And you're right how we work hard to make our own place in society, and what you've said makes me feel better about myself. Everyone says I'm intelligent, but I only understand emotions and empathy when it comes down to it. I cannot relate to anyone my age (mostly), and though I liked reading books, I never understood what they were about literarily let alone the stupid expressions like "furrowed eyebrows" or whatever the heck the characters faces were doing.
But I wanted books I could love and ubderstand, so I gravitated towards manga and started to write my own stories that, quite honestly, make hardly any sense to those around me (Like you mentioned with your music). But I still feel compelled to write them even if my style is "eccentric." And sure some of my books have "mainstream-leaning" concepts (like an MG fantasy series about psychological coming of age rather than physical) but most of it is crazily experimental.
Also I love how you mentioned you're describing autism in the "most autistic way possible," and you got me there XD It's quite true. If someone asked me, I'd probably respond in the same roundabout way except Id go the psychology route instead of the genetic route, but I found the genetic angle very interesting. Because it's true that everyone is made different and has different needs but groups show up and patterns form.
Thanks for making my day, Digi
PS the "wierd stuff" genre is a niche but it's still nice when we are targeted. I've been watching Kaiba on your recommendation and I love it to death. I just want to fade away in that world and never leave
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I can't stop looking your room through your shades
Part of me thinks this entire video was made to make that Sonic burn.
It would be interesting to learn what specifically you have/had problems with communicating. I just wonder if it's one of those instances where literally everyone has those same problems, it's just you have felt more pressure and discomfort in not understanding them.
I studied psychology for three years and I condone this!
Arbra5934 I’m going into psych as my major in college atm, and the autism spectrum is very intriguing to me. Can’t wait to learn more from classes and relate deeper to Digi’s prospectives. (:
imm three minutes in and alreasy this is the craziest digibro video ive seen in a year
I don't know if you'll bother reading these comments Digi, but tl;dr
The skepticism you applied towards the binary idea of "autistic" or "normal"; apply that same skepticism towards this idea of a single spectrum that... "they" ("the scientists"?) have unanimously agreed upon.
*Sees first 10 seconds
*Closes video because the first 10 seconds explain it all
Coming from sales, he makes some very valid points. Working in an electronics store, you get many people who don't know anything about computers that can be considered the mom and pops (i.e ; only use said device to check Emails, do Banking, read the news and visit social media for friends and family). The everyday normies (i.e social media poster, mobile photographers, instagram users / Vlogers) You then get another group who are students / business owners or office workers (i.e Entrepreneurs, Office workers, Engineers, or Scientists who need the aid of computing so they need something more advanced). Finally the Media centered people or people who are very familiar with their computing needs (i.e Gamers, Streamers, Programmers.)
Seeing these types of people doesn't necessarily mean they are "autuistic" in the everyday definition that psychiatrists say they are, but in the sense that they are autistic in your own world or POV.
Summing it all up, we're all different and you should just embrace your own self and realize that in the end, Death is coming and you shouldn't waste your time worrying about what others think about you.
Just to add to this in regards to how autism presents on the spectrum and stuff, I've heard echoed from a few people that are on the spectrum that in practice it's actually less like a spectrum (going from normie/ high functioning to low functioning) and more like a topping bar where there are so many different symptoms and ways those symptoms can even present that trying to determine how low or high functioning they are (which is ofc as you said relative to society) is essentially impossible.
Like you use verbal vs non verbal as a example but because there are so many other factors in how autism presents two people that are are close on the spectrum could present so differently that they would have less in common with each other than they might with someone further away on the spectrum who happens to present similarly to them. Which in the context of the metaphor of a topping bar ((which btw I'm using because that's how I saw it described and articulated, if it sounds overly cute for anyone's taste it's likely because I came across this in the context of a mother comparing the way her autism differs from her son)) would be like two people having chocolate syrup and chocolate sprinkles on their ice cream but one of them also happens to have a few other toppings as opposed to two people who have a similar amount of toppings but none of them are similar between the two.
So in practice, if I remember correctly, the mother said that she was very verbal and had a fairly easy time communicating her ideas but was very easily overstimulated esp physically while her son was very non verbal but also essentially required physical touch as a means to calm him down. They are both failed in some way by the way that majority of society interacts and deems normal or acceptable HOWEVER the way of approaching meeting their needs is very different regardless of how close to "normal" they may be deemed.
MichaelaLoser yeah, I’m on the spectrum, and a linear spectrum is the wrong way to think about autism. Autism is a collection of vague traits that seem to coexist very often and cause each other. Every autistic person will have different combinations of those traits at differing intensities.
I'm glad there was some clarification about autism being specific to communication here. It felt so off-base in the Only Yesterday podcast when it seemed like Digi was just referring to it as "anything that makes you non-normal". I still think "communication disorder" doesn't quite cover it, but it is definitely elusive.
I mean, it started out of wack, but yeah, at some point it starts making sense.
Same here man! I was diagnosed with Assburgers until my teacher sent me to a doctor for him to say I had a mental disorder, instead he said I was just Smarter and more Mature than everyone else my age.
"I don't know if there are people who are biologically don't fuck. Um.. I haven't researched that." Etch this into my gravestone.
Undoubtedly, I think it is one of your best videos. Great Explanation of the Autism spectrum. I have being diagnosed with asperger and, since two years ago, I have tried with a lot of effort to be good at talking and communicating with other people around me.
It have been a very difficult experience for me. But I am actually getting better every day. I even get a job as a Web programming professor.
awesome dude!
Minor nitpick about the height thing - height isn't something particularly selected for by natural selection, at least not anymore - that's an example of sexual selection, more than anything else. They're *similar* in effect, but sexual selection also has a bad habit of selecting for traits that are really, really bad for the individual. Like being so tall your bones are on the verge of being unable to handle it. Or having antlers so large you literally can't eat the damn grass because your head decorations get in the way. Or having tail feathers so big you can't even fucking fly anymore.
Suffice to say that sexual selection is geeeenerally not the sort of selective pressure you want to use when talking about natural selection because it tends to fly in the face of "fittest".
This movie is called Stingray Sam, by Cory McAbee.
The amount of thinking I had to do while watching this video is why I love Digibro. Although I do relate to Digi's stance on most topics I don't relate to his story about growing up nor his struggle with communicating. When I was a kid I was a normie, and if it weren't for anime on toonami back in the 2000's I still might be.
My first anime was Yu Yu Hakusho back when it was airing on Toonami and I was so young Im surprised I remember it at all... But like, I totally remember watching Yusuke get zapped by Suzaku over and over, on my little 13 inch TV. Fast Forward to the age of 9 and I got the first season on DVD. That pretty much marked the beginning of my passion for anime, and led to me going online to find the later seasons. (I found anime streaming sites when my mom took my xbox away because all I did was play Nazi Zombies in World at War. I then went on to buy every CoD up to Black Ops 2... I was that much of a Normie)
But the talons of anime had sunk in deep, and from the ripe age of 10 when I first found Justdubs.net I was binging every relevant show in the mid 2000's. My taste in anime was horrible when I was young, I was even a normie among Otaku standards. I've watched EVERY long running shounen from One Piece, to Toriko, to Hunter x Hunter. Of course Naruto and Bleach also got devoured and led me to reading subs for the first time, but I was really fucking easy to please back then. I was totally using anime (and books) as a potent method of escapism and literally nothing could ruin my day if I knew I could squeeze a few episodes in. I remember watching SAO short after it came out and the male power fantasy had me hooked. It was my favorite anime for all of 3 months. I even went on to read the light novels, although I only got as far as the Mother's Rosario arc which actually wasn't terrible.
Anime was my guilty pleasure in Middle School and High School, my schedule was always packed because I played football nearly year round, and when I wasn't in practice I was probably out skating or biking with my friends. I actually used to hide the fact I watched anime because I thought all the kids in my school who watched anime were weird. I didn't relate to them even though we were consuming the same media, at least so I thought. I think the first Digi analysis video I saw was about SAO, and I remember having my eyes opened slowly to what made an anime truly good. It wasn't as if I hadn't saw any, but watching Digi's analysis video's helped me understand why Yu Yu Hakusho (Still my favorite anime of all time) with it's fleshed out villians, and iconic cast are superior to a wish fulfillment pander-fest like SAO.
I gave you guys this VERY brief history on my anime watching habits to show you how basic my taste in anime was, and considering I actually couldn't relate to a lot of anime characters, some of which I now love whole heartedly it reflects how much of a normie I really was. Despite the fact that I didn't relate to Otaku's when I was younger and predominantly hung out with my Normie friends it's kind of a mystery why something as niche as anime would appeal so much to me, and why would I spend so much time consuming it? Well I have always felt alone on spectrum, even as a child when this concept would have flown right over my head. There was never anyone else quite like me, all my friends played football on the same team, but none of them watched anime like me. We liked the same movies, but while they played 2k, I was grinding Dark Souls. Partying with my friends was fun, but I could have as much fun reading a good book.
Now I'll actually get to the point, and using the graph from the video for reference, like Digi I've always felt caught between bell curves, but I would put myself between the bell curves of the Normies and the Computer guys which is hilarious. I was actually a Comp Sci major before realizing I despise Math and switched to English. This is my own theory but since I related more to normies as a child, I think it was due to my exposure to anime, and some other media that introduced me to how people further down the Spectrum think. That is what would lead me to lean more toward the Autists than the Normies in society, which is always dominated by Normies.
JK that was just bait for my real point, simply because I am inbetween bell curves I don't have a place in society, my interest in literally anything and everything that fascinates me is so rare there's no need for society to meet my individual needs. Seriously the closest comparison I can make is Gon Freecs, and his interest in whatever whether it be morally right or not. (In fact due to this I've sort of followed the Otaku Hero's Journey to the point where I've rejected Society as it is, but I understand it, and I am going to change it so my needs can be met. You gotta be the change you wanna see in the World y'know) This means even though I have no problem functioning in society, I don't quite fit in and I can relate to those rejected by it. My point is even though I'm "less Autistic" then Digi I can relate whole heartedly because were ALL on the spectrum.
Side Note: Looking at my post retroactively I noticed when I was young my standards were so low it was easy for society to meet my needs, entertainment was all i wanted or needed. Now my standards have risen which has narrowed my wide net of interest's into only the pinnacle of each. I can't just watch anime anymore, there need's to be something I can gain from it. I very much agree with Digi that art really just needs to focus on the fetish
Great fucking video, Digi. I've known a good number of people on the spectrum over the years and this really helped me see things from a different perspective.
Just think of this:
The more interracial sex we have, the less interracial sex we can have.
It's fascinating how he wrong he is about some points, but is still able to get his point across.
>holds up incredibly messy barely coherent white board
>"I've practiced it, I've gotten good at it"
I fukken lol'd
I never had an issue with people being in the autistic spectrum, I got along just fine with quite a few of them. But recently I've been struggling with realizing that I myself might be an "aspie" and suddenly the thought became horrifying. I've been going back and forth with it all week, trying to reconcile with the probability. Anyway, THANK YOU, I'm not sure how, but the video made me feel less like an unwelcomed alien.
Digi drew a PERFECT FUCKING CIRCLE AND I AM SHOCKED.
I could listen to you explain literally anything
This is such an autistic way of explaining it.
I fucking love it!
As some diagnosed with autism at 7 years old, I can confirm.
23:00 Have you ever considered... the difference between the people you categorize as 'normies' and the people you categorize as 'aspergers' or 'mildly autistic' is that the normies just learnt (and are continuing to learn) their own way of communicating... and they've seen success or haven't paid attention to the times they've blundered.
So they've just ridden that confidence their entire lives as a result of sheer circumstance, while you hit roadblocks and found yourself analyzing the mechanics of conversation at an older age. There's no difference between what you've learnt to do, and what Mr. Normie from the Generic Product Sales/Marketing Dept. had to learn how to do.
I think both kinds of people exist, it's not mutually exclusive. There are people who are born midly autistic and can't change that, and there are people who isolate themselves excesively and progressively lose their social skills/confidence, to the point where they are functionally autistic. I'd say the differences between people who are diagnostically autistic and social rejects is pretty easy to tell in most cases, but the line gets blurred near the "normie" end of the spectrum.
that makes it sound way to much like where all the same witch i don't buy at all
I'm not saying there's no difference by the way, I'm saying that I wouldn't be too quick to diagnose myself with autism when my symptoms are basically indistinguishable from 'art'-ism
i mean if your really getting that caught up on the word you could just call it newtype syndrome, either way its just a label used to distinguish yourself from the normies. i don't see anything wrong with calling yourself an autor if that's the label you prefer
I understand that this wasn't said maliciously, but perhaps read up on the science behind autism before you conclude that everyone is normal and the more autistic people just didn't try hard enough.
"Explaining autism" more like "bullying manlets"
Excellent video Digibro, I knew what you meant. For the longest time I always studied videos like these, gaining different interpretations on what it means to be "Autistic" or "On the spectrum", just trying to figure where I fit in with all this. And I'm genuinely glad that someone like you, did a personal explanation on the subject.
Thank you. I don't know if I agree with all the details presented here but the underlying point is really fucking important.
As someone who studied ecogoly, this is pain full to watch. You went from farmers to high technology. 0.o then started on population genetics, but then just left the second population there.
And now representation, then into economics.
You make a point, a good one, but it takes a long time to get there. The first 15 mins can be cut to maybe 2.
His presentation just makes it seem more digi like which just enhances it for any fans who are not actually educated if you ask me.
it wasnt supposed to be a literal example
Explaining Autism with a chart and arbitrary symbols to help visualize broad abstract concepts like human evolution and the relationships between Autists and normies in society? This is more than just meta. It's like using autism to explain autism to Autists
3:23 That's deep, and something which has clearly taken me way too long to figure out, because not until you just said it, have I really comprehended that I'm wrong about language.
This video is very enlightening.
I've had that idea in my mind for a long time now. When I debate pedophilia with people, they say "it's a mental disorder". I figured out, though, that a mental disorder is only considered a mental disorder because humans subjectively consider that that kind of brain is bad, that it doesn't fit into society.
Society doesn't have a place for even non contact pedophiles, which are the ones whom I defend. That's unfortunate for non contact pedophiles, but if there were enough of them, society would be different.
The quite sinister aspect, though, is that it seems that it is likely that small groups of people with brains which do not fit into society will never fit into society. It seems that LGBT people have only succeeded because they are a large enough group of people.
i love that last part where digibro tells me he would explain it again for me if i didn't understand he's so kind
If I didn't already know what the hell you were talking about the first 12 minutes would have made no damn sense lol.
Also, although I'd agree with the general idea of what you are saying, you can't just 100% call autistic people "different". Although that is a good mindset to treat people with (and is true for autistic people that have learned to socialize), it's not like a group of autist would necessarily socialize with each other well because... the problem with autist is that that social part of their brain is typically hampered. Like, being unable to look people in the eye, and having panic attacks is just a straight up disorder.
really the whole intro the this comment was just to ease in that last sentence. Keeping that one thing in mind, i'd say great video.
Explained it perfectly, you have definitely gotten very good at communicating with words....and whiteboards
Everyone here should go to Nick on planet ripple to hear about autism from someone who actually has it. He's writing a comic that involves the ideas of autism heavily, so go check it out.
literally digi using autism as a neutral/sometimes positive description instead of a derogatory one has helped me feel less bad about being autistic. normalization doesnt just educate the normies; it can help get the autists to feel worthy of society's recognition and inspire them to make the changes they need.
Totes dude. I think you really have to just take in info out there any realize that noone really knows what they're doing. Do not put to much trust in psych authorities. Like anyone in a profession has his own limited perspective of what they have actually lived. (social) Scientists are good at using the context they have to make conclusions. but many of these academic types dont really have that much experience in life. while the average person has more experience with people they conform to authority way more so the things they will not be good at discussing complex subjects with nuance because they've never really bothered. they might understand a bunch of stuff better than us unconciously than us autists. but we can actually convince people and make change if were non autistic enough.
Life is kind of a balance of gathering knowledge and using it in chaotic reality. and we kinda got the gathering proper knowledge part figured out.
autism is a disability and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded
+Sleepy It does provide opportunities, but its certainly not fucking fun to have.
this is the first digibro video I've learned nothing from
Kinda completely unrelated but ive been dribbling this idea in my head for while: like you I am fascinated by visual art, and, like you have expressed before, I suck at it. I sometimes feel like words arent enough to, i dont want to say express but rather, actualize my thoughts. How did you learn to deal with the frustration of not being able to visualize your thoughts on a piece of paper? Or did it never bother you?
This is one of my favorite digibro videos. I'm not being sarcastic.
This is a great video, but I was listening to it in the background and then switched back over near the end and had to laugh at how much of a mess that diagram became
I like the way you explain there are some levels, because that's quite right. My two children are Asperger and both are different in their way to "suffer" this difference.
The first has a great ability to express with words, when the second finds it hard to speek at the same pace than everyone else.
The first was able to go through the (f.) educative system, when the second just can't stand it...
I have one question, still, you say that when there is no room for us in that society, one should create its own job, but the money trouble is something that can't be solved easily.
I think of my second 16 years old son, who is not done yet with the educative part of his life and dreams he can design a great video game.
But there is no room for his ideas at this age, and he finds it pretty depressing.
What do you suggest I could do as his mum, to help ?
What i've learnt from this video is that i should call people with distinct, specific tastes austistic
Digis explanation is a little eugenicsy.
The only problem with eugenics is that it threw out the science. In foundation it was correct. Some people are just better, and their kids will also be better.
Does this entitle them to rule the world? Fucked if I know.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 no stop. This is the dumbest shit since eugenics.
Here is a video on a bunch of stupid ideas that were founded on Plato deep cuts.
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I lost my shit at 1:59. It's an ok movie but the butterfly effect refers to the flap of the butterflies wings causing a hurricane. How a little gust of wind can snowball in effect causing one of truly massive scale. Not trying to be that guy but having known the original quote then seen 3 movies play with the trope gives it further reference. Works for the video regardless, I'm just expositing history for a term most probably haven't heard save for in the title of a film.
Edit: damn I wasn't expecting a deep dive very similar to the realization I had on an acid trip lately. Only worded a tad more niche, as is the way of the Digi.
"The butterfly effect, as they call it. Like, you step on a butterfly in the past, and now the whole fucking future is different."
Uh.