I'm one of the two avionics techs that did all the avionics lighting and helped with the VG's for that plane...was at our shop right before it left. Sad to see it go but hope it gets a good home!
@glen Davis. This may have been answered long ago, but VG's are Vortex Generators. They've been around since the '80's, and as Mark mentioned in the video, they assist in maintaining airflow over control surfaces.
Yes, that looks like a good road. Bam. No, Not really it is the unused access road to the un-built hangars here at Placerville. It's just a scenic place.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Glad you explained it. Been wondering how you get away with blocking off what looks like a usable road for every video. The More You Know! ===*
Great video. We used the same philosophy for our 206. There's a mountain of STCs, and many of them don't apply to the restart 206s. We ended up with a brand-new 40-year-old airplane, and it works great.
Greetings from Malaysia!!! Low time PPL here. 4:30 Took me 3 seconds to figure out the VGs = Vortex Generator. 6:42 "... a hundred grand in the panel..." 😲 But indeed it looks very very modern!! 8:57 Useful load 1500 lbs 😲 9:24 Automatic door closing 😂. Great video!!!
Before the work began were there tests for corrosion? My father-in-law was a very experienced pilot and plane owner. He bought a 150 for his grandson to learn in and build hours. Being very cautious, he wanted his trusted tech to go over everything. He found substantial corrosion in significant areas. Oops. The prior owner did not hide any defects. It took a long time to sell at about 35% of fair market value. How deep does one go when considering and evaluating a candidate for this level of upgrade and modernization? That is an absolutely beautiful modernization. The updated paint gave it fantastic looks! The interior is beautiful. Someone spent a lot of money very quickly. The result is a modern plane with advancements for a much lower price than new!
As son of missionaries we flew all around in a old stile 206 used like a pickup it also saved how many native s lives. Those instrument s with screen were unheard of at that point it still had the 300 hp in it. The nose had the wheel buble design so looking kinda like a ship. No wheel paints as strips were all stickey mud or all dust depending on rains
Best plane ever! My dad flew a 206 and a 207 his entire life in the south of Venezuela! Beautiful airplane! It must be really easy to fly with all those updates!
I was zero when this was built! Love the run down mate. One of these minus the fancy stuff would suit me greatly. Love to know the overall effect of those upgrades, plus what various combinations give. I bet you've got a fair idea too Mark. If the right aircraft are on site at some point, could that make for a good little vid?
It's nice to see one of the planes I have worked on in U tube. I put a new panel and Garmin autopilot in that plane. After this.. Stacey owns it now..I think.
I like the wing and engine enhancements and a gps installed. Other than that, the panel would be fine and I would have money in my pocket. I was instrument flying before all the digital toys came out so I’m comfortable with an old steamer panel
I found just 1 imperfection on this plane :D The cover of the 12 VOLT DC is missing the red line that is used to seperate the black and white paint on this plane o.o This 206 looks awesome
I don't fly yet I appreciate your video. Money always matters & if you can get the plane you want for 1/2 as much why not? As a non-pilot my concerns with an older plane would be air-frame integrity & the wiring. With my luck the pins that hold the wing supports in place would be corroded so I would pay good $$$ to have it thoroughly inspected
Real locks that you open with your key and not just anybody's key...Good one! No screwdriver or butter knife entry either?...Does the key stay in ignition after plane the starts?...LOL Determining factor for new or old for me is cost. 206 owners seem to be extremely proud of the planes...They're asking for a lot...Recently seen a wrecked one on (apparent nose wheel collapse) Trade-A-Plane where the seller was asking $145K...All the pics were of the plane damaged...I assume the asking price was for the damaged plane....Ridiculous!!! BTW....That plane is gorgeous!
Bernard. Please look at it on my website. Everything is there. This channel is not really for sales. Some planes on here are for sale but mostly they are educational. Thanks.
Great video i am impressed to see how an old plane comes to live again ! looking as good or better than a new 206.i am wondering why not use a new diesel engine in this marvelous plane.
Are there any STCs to modify the rear double doors or right side flap for emergency egress when the flaps are down? I thought this was something Cessna addressed in newer models. I don't know when that started though.
The right flap on all U206's is shorter than the left by four inches to allow the forward door to open enough to operate the release to open the rear door past it. It is not easy and simple in an emergency though.
They are just STC's Supplimental Type Certificates. You buy the parts and the STC and put them on. The parts are approved for the plane by the FAA. The plane needs no further certification.
Neither, buy a Pitts Special and really enjoy life. It's one of life's greatest experiences. I have flown a 206 many times. Nice plane although its like flying a Minivan.
Great video ! A lot of good information and entertaining :) What is the range with the 310HP engine ? Fuel burn compared to the new T206H ? Keep up the good work !
These hold 84 gallons with 78 usable because they are the bladdered wing. 15 GPH so about 5 hours duration at 150 Kts at altitude so about 750 miles to empty. The H model is 92 gallons with no bladders and 88 gallons usable like a 1979 to 1986, so 10 more usable gallons than this particular plane. About the same burn and speed but not such a good useful load. Same airframe except the cowling.
I have flap gap seals and haven’t noticed any difference is stall speed. The gap does open up as the Fowler flaps slide back during extension. I have noticed an increase in climb rate and cruise speed.
I should also mention that glide distance is noticeably increased with the flaps up...another benefit. The Knots2U flap gap seals are removable, rather than being riveted in like their competitor’s version, which is easier access for any flap track maintenance.
How about 206 engine options comparison- IO-550 vs. TSIO-520, vs. new TIO-540 vs. IO-540. Curious to know how they compare especially at density altitude.
@Skywagon University Odd question, and late in the game, but what is the major difference between TSIO and TIO? I'd guess Turbocharged, Injected, Opposed in TIO, but the 'S' eludes me...Thanks in advance. DG
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Wonderful! Some friends and I are potentially forming a flying club and this is the airplane we're considering. We really enjoy your content. Thanks!
If I had a million bucks, I would get an older 206 and upgrade some things, do a factory scheme paint design, dont like older planes with modern paint schemes
Obviously a 1974 model would be a lot cheaper than a new one especially a 206 new would be easily run 3-400k you could probably find a low hour 206 from the 70s for under 100k with fairly up to date avionics panel good overall condition
When all the good stuff gets expensive, the older rougher stuff gets dragged out of the hangars and restored and some get tried to be sold as they are looking rough. What this is a sign of is a shortage of inventory. Low supply, high demand, increasing prices. There will never be an increase of supply because all the plane are already out there and new ones are expensive. If demand keeps up the prices will slowly increase especially if the dollar is worth less, which it is.
Ah, Now there is a rare plane. P models were produced from 1964 to 1970 with the two front doors (Hence the P for "Passenger" designation) The 68's got wide tails and the 70's got the chinless lower cowling. These planes are the P206E's and there were 43 built and they are the best of the best P Models. There is no such thing as a 1971 P206, which is a pity.
1 more mod-. Forced Aeromotive Technologies Belt Driven Supercharger! Lighter! MUCH Cooler Temps - esp in engine bay! Lower fuel consumption Less mtce n runs to eng o/haul ! Expected to go Double eng o/haul!
Hi Jon. It's an unused road at the airport that goes to where the new hangers were going to be built, but thanks to regulations, never will be. It gives us a more scenic backdrop and fewer distractions.
Thank you very much. I am getting the private aviation bug, starting to save my pennies. Are there any resources you would recommend for someone like me? Presume I know what a plane is and what’s it’s for an that’s about it lol. Thanks so much for your reply.
I'd keep an eye on Trade a Plane, Barnstormers, Controller and a few others. Google "Aircraft for sale" and they all will pop up but those are the big three. .
Thanks again Mark!
I'm one of the two avionics techs that did all the avionics lighting and helped with the VG's for that plane...was at our shop right before it left. Sad to see it go but hope it gets a good home!
It went to a very good home. It was a very good upgrade to make it that modern.
Well it would be better if you spelled out what VGs are!
@glen Davis. This may have been answered long ago, but VG's are Vortex Generators. They've been around since the '80's, and as Mark mentioned in the video, they assist in maintaining airflow over control surfaces.
I appreciate the fact that you landed on some random road to give us this explanation. ...lol
Yes, that looks like a good road. Bam. No, Not really it is the unused access road to the un-built hangars here at Placerville. It's just a scenic place.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Glad you explained it. Been wondering how you get away with blocking off what looks like a usable road for every video. The More You Know! ===*
I guess it's kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@Simon Phillip lately I have been using FlixZone. Just search on google for it :)
Great video. We used the same philosophy for our 206. There's a mountain of STCs, and many of them don't apply to the restart 206s. We ended up with a brand-new 40-year-old airplane, and it works great.
It is a very good option sine the new and old are so similar. Unlike cars.
That automatic door comment was awesome, just as your style. Thank you.
Ha thanks.
This is a gorgeous refurb! Thanks for the walk around!
Glad you enjoyed it
Most important part of your video is being educational . Love it well done mate I will be following you for your next video.
Greetings from Malaysia!!! Low time PPL here. 4:30 Took me 3 seconds to figure out the VGs = Vortex Generator. 6:42 "... a hundred grand in the panel..." 😲 But indeed it looks very very modern!! 8:57 Useful load 1500 lbs 😲 9:24 Automatic door closing 😂. Great video!!!
Automatic door was cool.
Before the work began were there tests for corrosion? My father-in-law was a very experienced pilot and plane owner. He bought a 150 for his grandson to learn in and build hours. Being very cautious, he wanted his trusted tech to go over everything. He found substantial corrosion in significant areas. Oops. The prior owner did not hide any defects. It took a long time to sell at about 35% of fair market value.
How deep does one go when considering and evaluating a candidate for this level of upgrade and modernization?
That is an absolutely beautiful modernization. The updated paint gave it fantastic looks! The interior is beautiful. Someone spent a lot of money very quickly. The result is a modern plane with advancements for a much lower price than new!
Very true. You just have to start with a good corrosion free airframe.
Love the phone holster!
Thanks.
I have lots of time in 206s and would have this one any day over a new one
Love the automatic door feature at 9:24 😄
As son of missionaries we flew all around in a old stile 206 used like a pickup it also saved how many native s lives. Those instrument s with screen were unheard of at that point it still had the 300 hp in it. The nose had the wheel buble design so looking kinda like a ship. No wheel paints as strips were all stickey mud or all dust depending on rains
Hi Paul! Thanks for sharing that with us. Great story!
Nice job, Mark!
Thanks!
I love that entrance!
Hi Jason! Thanks! We like to have a little fun with our videos.
That is an absolutely beautiful aircraft.
It was the best.
Best plane ever! My dad flew a 206 and a 207 his entire life in the south of Venezuela! Beautiful airplane! It must be really easy to fly with all those updates!
Thank you.
So awesome!! I love the 206
Great planes. 1964 to present day without a lot of changes.
Excellent video. Well spoken as well. Good stuff
Glad you enjoyed it
Great stuff. Really learning a lot on this channel, thank you.
Thanks, FFT! More videos coming soon.
The main consideration these days is the tremendous wait time to get parts and a service center that has an opening to work on anything
Very true nowadays.
Very nice 206!
That upgrade is a easy 100K. Well done
It sure is
I had a 65 206P loved that plane.
P Passenger, super Skylane, two front doors, great planes.
Man, that is a sweet ride!
It sure is!
Amazing i have an 1964 cessna 182G but my dream plane is the 206 or a 210, very nice airplane congrats
Excellent & reliable machines with predictable manners - nice to see an interior for once! (English ex jumper-driver : )
I was zero when this was built! Love the run down mate. One of these minus the fancy stuff would suit me greatly. Love to know the overall effect of those upgrades, plus what various combinations give. I bet you've got a fair idea too Mark. If the right aircraft are on site at some point, could that make for a good little vid?
It's nice to see one of the planes I have worked on in U tube. I put a new panel and Garmin autopilot in that plane. After this.. Stacey owns it now..I think.
That was a good one.
I like the wing and engine enhancements and a gps installed. Other than that, the panel would be fine and I would have money in my pocket. I was instrument flying before all the digital toys came out so I’m comfortable with an old steamer panel
Awesome video as always. Keep it up. Sir.
Hi Raul! Thanks for the compliment!
Great plane, very informative channel 👍🏽
Much appreciated!
I found just 1 imperfection on this plane :D The cover of the 12 VOLT DC is missing the red line that is used to seperate the black and white paint on this plane o.o This 206 looks awesome
Oh, No. Well spotted.
love it. I wish you'd done a price comparison though.
The prices are so volatile that they are out of date before the video is.
I don't fly yet I appreciate your video. Money always matters & if you can get the plane you want for 1/2 as much why not? As a non-pilot my concerns with an older plane would be air-frame integrity & the wiring. With my luck the pins that hold the wing supports in place would be corroded so I would pay good $$$ to have it thoroughly inspected
Real locks that you open with your key and not just anybody's key...Good one!
No screwdriver or butter knife entry either?...Does the key stay in ignition after plane the starts?...LOL
Determining factor for new or old for me is cost. 206 owners seem to be extremely proud of the planes...They're asking for a lot...Recently seen a wrecked one on (apparent nose wheel collapse) Trade-A-Plane where the seller was asking $145K...All the pics were of the plane damaged...I assume the asking price was for the damaged plane....Ridiculous!!!
BTW....That plane is gorgeous!
They have become very rare and desirable. yes, I have had the "old" keys fall out of the ignition in flight while running too. :-)
Happy Easter Mark ,,,,
Happy Easter, Bernard.
Great video Mark and a great looking 206.
Hi Matt! Yes sir ... this was a great looking 206. We're glad you liked the video too!
Nice entrance!
The landing is, as always, the tricky part!
Very nice 👍 upgrades.
That's Right, Very Strange & Why ! Wonder how long was that beautiful " byway " Road Closed & Paid for on both ways with this Presentation?
The "road" is an access road to the non-built hangars at the eastern end. No cars. Dead end.
Great information just looked at a 2017 model well worth doing up a older machine.
Definitely!
The price is right and above retail for or at $400/ $500k is what I’m looking at Mark
Bernard. Please look at it on my website. Everything is there. This channel is not really for sales. Some planes on here are for sale but mostly they are educational. Thanks.
GREAT VIDEO ifor purchases this plane still available
No, I sold it a few years ago.
Beautiful restoration! Was all the work executed by a single shop, or did the owner need to gather expertise from multiple vendors for all the mods?
It was multiple shops for their required specialties.
gr8 information, well explained
Glad you liked it
Awesome plane
Wow so nice
I’ve found the Garmin AoA useless on the 206 as it turns off at the low speeds when light with the extended wing tips and high AoA
This is interesting. You should probably tell Garmin.
Great video....It would have been so nice if a little more information is added for dummy steel bird watchers like me. Love and respect from India.
Hi Chinmaya. What kind of information are you looking for? We're happy to oblige!
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
Great video i am impressed to see how an old plane comes to live again ! looking as good or better than a new 206.i am wondering why
not use a new diesel engine in this marvelous plane.
Good question!
Marks quite the character..
I had a bad hair day that day and so had to blame that explosion.
You gave us everything except for a general price comparison. What a new one would cost versus what this 1 would cost?
Love the seat re-uphostery, who did that work?
It was done before it came here.
Are there any STCs to modify the rear double doors or right side flap for emergency egress when the flaps are down? I thought this was something Cessna addressed in newer models. I don't know when that started though.
The right flap on all U206's is shorter than the left by four inches to allow the forward door to open enough to operate the release to open the rear door past it. It is not easy and simple in an emergency though.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 That's good to know. Apparently I learned some incorrect info! Thanks! Now, back to your Bushliner 170 video!
@Skywagon - What was the cost to upgrade the 74 206? By the way Great Video! and you got a new subscriber!
Paint about $20,000. Interior about $10,000. Radios (blank Check, but say $50,000) Engine overhaul $45,000. All retail prices.
Thank you .your awesome keep up the good work. From alaska.
Very good
Thanks
Any breakdown on what it cost for all the upgrades?
Ah, That is a long and detailed list. There might have to be another video about that.
Mark - with these 3 significant mods - longer wing for example - how does this affect the original airworthiness certification?
They are just STC's Supplimental Type Certificates. You buy the parts and the STC and put them on. The parts are approved for the plane by the FAA. The plane needs no further certification.
I love that plane, always been a tailwheel guy but love the 206 for its utility
It's the family station wagon jeep of airplanes!
beautiful plane , it just needs an A/C and de icer system
True, but where do you stop.
Neither, buy a Pitts Special and really enjoy life. It's one of life's greatest experiences. I have flown a 206 many times. Nice plane although its like flying a Minivan.
Or get one as well so that you can take the family.,.....
Great video, l appreciate if you can share your experience about Cessna 207
Thanks. I will do if I have one around to talk about.
Love Cessna 206 keep the information coming are the air frame service intervals the same ?
Great video ! A lot of good information and entertaining :) What is the range with the 310HP engine ? Fuel burn compared to the new T206H ? Keep up the good work !
These hold 84 gallons with 78 usable because they are the bladdered wing. 15 GPH so about 5 hours duration at 150 Kts at altitude so about 750 miles to empty. The H model is 92 gallons with no bladders and 88 gallons usable like a 1979 to 1986, so 10 more usable gallons than this particular plane. About the same burn and speed but not such a good useful load. Same airframe except the cowling.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Why does the useful load change so much even though the aircraft are almost identical?
Beautiful Cessna! You forgot to mention the asking price😊
Hi Flyinghog! We weren't making a sales video, but $389K.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Compared to a new 206, that's a steal.
Good job and I love the subject mater!
Hi Van! Glad you liked it!
Wish they’d finally STC the BRS for the 206
That would be a big parachute.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 they do it for the vision jet !
Such a great plane and Review,whorth every peny on it
Yes.
Set electronics shielded against a magnetic pulse or an EMP
Nice, I will buy it...
It's been sold for a while.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 too bad. It's a great plane... their very lucky
I have flap gap seals and haven’t noticed any difference is stall speed. The gap does open up as the Fowler flaps slide back during extension. I have noticed an increase in climb rate and cruise speed.
How many KTS of increased cruise did you get?
@@Tunerfreak99 Three to five MPH TAS.
I should also mention that glide distance is noticeably increased with the flaps up...another benefit. The Knots2U flap gap seals are removable, rather than being riveted in like their competitor’s version, which is easier access for any flap track maintenance.
How about 206 engine options comparison- IO-550 vs. TSIO-520, vs. new TIO-540 vs. IO-540. Curious to know how they compare especially at density altitude.
That is four engines in four planes all worth over $300,000. It would be very difficult to get them all here and test them all that thoroughly.
@Skywagon University Odd question, and late in the game, but what is the major difference between TSIO and TIO? I'd guess Turbocharged, Injected, Opposed in TIO, but the 'S' eludes me...Thanks in advance. DG
@@maKsutov03 From what I can tell, TIO is single turbo, and TSIO is twin turbo.
Would love to see a video and get your take on the 177
Hi Jraybye! We've got plans to do just that! Won't be long, we promise!
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Wonderful! Some friends and I are potentially forming a flying club and this is the airplane we're considering. We really enjoy your content. Thanks!
Yea and not the wimpy stock engine, everyone knows what that can do. The IO-390 upgrade, with turbo would be even more interesting.
If I had a million bucks, I would get an older 206 and upgrade some things, do a factory scheme paint design, dont like older planes with modern paint schemes
Classic is good too.
Mark + about 50lbs since I saw you in 1999.
Have I gained weight?
Obviously a 1974 model would be a lot cheaper than a new one especially a 206 new would be easily run 3-400k you could probably find a low hour 206 from the 70s for under 100k with fairly up to date avionics panel good overall condition
There is no longer such a thing as a well equipped 206 for $100,000. That was last week!!!
I prefer the continental powered planes.
Me too.
👍
Hey Mark, how much money in upgrades do you have?
It was someone else's plane and it was about 3 years ago but the coast was about $200,000 to buy it and do all that back then.
New Cessna
Have you noticed there's been a ton of old obsolete aircraft on the market - and they've been selling. I think that's a signal of a topping market.
When all the good stuff gets expensive, the older rougher stuff gets dragged out of the hangars and restored and some get tried to be sold as they are looking rough. What this is a sign of is a shortage of inventory. Low supply, high demand, increasing prices. There will never be an increase of supply because all the plane are already out there and new ones are expensive. If demand keeps up the prices will slowly increase especially if the dollar is worth less, which it is.
Is this the Rob STOL kit?
If the ailerons droop with the flaps, it is the Robertson STOL kit.
Any chance we could see a 1970 P-206
Ah, Now there is a rare plane. P models were produced from 1964 to 1970 with the two front doors (Hence the P for "Passenger" designation) The 68's got wide tails and the 70's got the chinless lower cowling. These planes are the P206E's and there were 43 built and they are the best of the best P Models. There is no such thing as a 1971 P206, which is a pity.
1 more mod-. Forced Aeromotive Technologies Belt Driven Supercharger!
Lighter!
MUCH Cooler Temps - esp in engine bay!
Lower fuel consumption
Less mtce n runs to eng o/haul !
Expected to go Double eng o/haul!
Nice !
Thank you! Cheers!
Boa tarde Donizete Bragança Paulista sp Brasil
I am curious to know what kind of STOL and cruise performance they get with those mods.
This is the most important thing, why didn’t he just give the numbers that the owner gave him? What the hell is the big secret?
👍👍👍
Very nice plane... and for a small 750k (more or less) you could have one just like it.
New today with options and a years wait they are a million.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 one of the best in the sky.
You appear to be on a public highway ???
Hi Jon. It's an unused road at the airport that goes to where the new hangers were going to be built, but thanks to regulations, never will be. It gives us a more scenic backdrop and fewer distractions.
That is a sharp plane. I like the idea of suicide doors so it's easy for the passengers to enter the back.
Not only good for passengers, but you can take the seats out and haul just about anything you want back there!
So roundabout what would that plane cost, mods and all?
To buy it just like that was about $380,000
Thank you very much. I am getting the private aviation bug, starting to save my pennies. Are there any resources you would recommend for someone like me? Presume I know what a plane is and what’s it’s for an that’s about it lol. Thanks so much for your reply.
I'd keep an eye on Trade a Plane, Barnstormers, Controller and a few others. Google "Aircraft for sale" and they all will pop up but those are the big three. .
This is one 206 I would love to fly to a new location and a new owner if I had the opportunity to do it:
Is this plane still for sale??
It has been sold a few months ago. It was a beauty.
-Rummages around for lottery ticket...
Good luck to you.
Are you parked on a public road?
It's an access road to some hangars that have not been built. Nice scenery.
FIRE!