Great character, but there was more potential there- I never understood why we only get one class with him, surely there were many more lessons we could have seen, and to be clear I’m talking about the source material
haven't watched yet, but Goblet is my favorite HP film. I found the acting had gotten so much better from the main 3, and also the scene where Cedric's dad is sobbing "that's my SON, that's my BOYYY" while jovial music plays in the background was the most impactful acting in the whole franchize imo. Always makes me cry even before I had children. I didn't necessarily like the teen drama aspect but it did lead to some funny moments and thought it made the kids feel like actual teens rather than story book characters which was desperately needed for a gang that is always on some secret mission or has abilities unique even for witches and wizards haha we all are susceptible to the mundanity of love drama and embarassment and tantrums
But I also didn't mind GoT's ending despite knowing from season 5 it was going downhill LOL so I am just a happy go lucky person when it comes to movies and shows obviously heh
Well actually.....there was alot of teen stuff in the previous books as well it just wasn't adapted to the films eg- PoA had the whole Hermione and Ron/Harry silly rift which was cut. GoF is the worst movie for me because it actively messed up world building and lore Beauxbaton isn't an all female school it's just a school in France anyone can attend. Nicolas Flamel went to that school lol Durmstrang was supposed to be all boys and meant to represent the misogynistic and negative world view of pureblood supremacists
mad that it’s a terrible adaption, and yet it has the best scene of any HP film so it makes up for how bad it is entirely (“that’s my son! that’s my boy!”)
The soundtrack has its moments, such as the last minutes of the Voldemort theme that plays alongside priori incantatem, but on the whole misses the narratively-ingrained thematic weight Williams' Prisoner score had, and lacks the melodic comfort Phoenix and Half-Blood have that fit the smaller scale school-centered set pieces of those years. Goblet is unique in the series in containing as much action as it does, and I sort of get what Mike Newell was getting at when he saw the story as having the extravagance of a Bollywood movie, but overall I think Harry Potter works better by treating those moments of high-action melodrama as the outliers; as a result Doyle's score, like the film it's a part of, is probably my least favourite of the franchise, also in large part because I prefer atmospheric music that aids the tones of their scenes rather than narrating their visual contents, as it might surprise you to learn is a hindrance on my enjoyment of much of Williams' work on Philosopher's and Chamber, notwithstanding the otherwise iconic motifs they established. I'll probably talk a bit about this evolution in music that followed Williams' departure at the start of Chapter 6. "Neville's Waltz" and "Harry in Winter" are my favourite tracks on Doyle's soundtrack, and I think they're most in line with my 'atmosphere' tastes.
@@Ozunoda I agree on everything you said! Harry in winter is Harry's theme in this movie. It plays in a lot of tracks like "golden egg" when he wins and when he catches the egg and as you mentioned when he saw his parents and won the duel between him and Voldemort and escaped with the cup. Harry's theme in the older movies was Harry's wonderous world. I love them both alot and they suit harry wonderfully. The recording sessions have a lot of atmospheric tracks in them I suggest you check them out.
@@isomericgamer6644 Yeah I used much of the recording sessions in my videos (mostly because their quieter, shorter minimalism works better as the background of narration) and was surprised how much good stuff doesn't make it onto the official soundtrack for whatever reason - lots of it with less cluttered mixing and more pleasant listening experiences as a result. I prefer when tracks are just one song distinctly attached to a specific moment or emotion of the film, as opposed to a weird mashup of several songs that cant really be listening to in isolation.
@@Ozunoda yeah it's weird how much good stuff gets left out of the official soundtrack release. This problem happens with a LOT of movies for some reason.
To this day, I still think that the Barto Jr. reveal should've been like the one from the first Saw movie: never showing him onscreen in present day scenes, then after the reveal that Alastor was him, exhibit former scenes with longer seconds to show him on the Manor, conjuring the Dark Mark and, if it was filmed, turning himself into Karkaroff to walk through the castle to PUT HARRY'S NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE, and stuff. Ruining the reveal ruin the whole point of the mystery arc of the movie. Simple as that.
@@Enbionic_Titan Exactly. With the "Voldemort's back!" being heard in voice over, while showing more former death eaters celebrating his return around wizarding Europe.
The way Hermione goes about advocating for house elves is too forceful to win over other wizards or even the house elves themselves, but I think Rowling writing that even Harry doesn't care about SPEW was taking his 'not caring' attitude to unbelievable lows, because Harry is in a similar muggle upbringing situation to Hermione, has his unique friendship with the poster child of house elf oppression, and was abused himself. Harry not caring makes him seem either stupid or sociopathic, and Hermione isn't given a proper arc of learning how to go about advocacy in a way that convinces others to her cause and suits those being advocated for, which is another conundrum Rowling created by making the house elves actually enjoy household labour. The whole subplot exists for Harry to realise, in Deathly Hallows, that because Voldemort was bad to house elves, being bad to house elves is bad, and if you're nice to house elves you can benefit from their magic, and now their magic can help us beat Voldemort. You can argue it works thematically, but as a piece of character development and world building it is completely half-assed and unbelievable that literally no one besides Hermione and Dumbledore realise slavery is bad prior to the slaves being of use to defeat wizard Hitler.
@@Ozunoda I would argue JK Rowling writes Hermione into a corner by making the house elves so resistant to change and making wizards so against seeing them as equals. It’s pretty hard for me to critique Hermione when everyone around her is doing virtually nothing. Plus, I don’t think social change in the face of injustice is something that is gonna be extremely nonchalant. The house elves and wizards are in too deep, so it’s unlikely they’re gonna be reasoned out of it.
@@sungexpression9093 That was a silly corner to write Hermione into and I think at least some of that silliness could have been alleviated if SPEW was somewhat successful prior to Deathly Hallows, at which point its just become some weird fan servicey obligation to end that vague narrative thread by having Dobby's death rally the house elves behind Kreacher.
Barty Crouch Jr was an amazing DADA teacher all things considered.
Besides an insensitive use of the unforgivable curses, yeah I guess not too bad. Though there isn't much to compare him to.
Great character, but there was more potential there- I never understood why we only get one class with him, surely there were many more lessons we could have seen, and to be clear I’m talking about the source material
haven't watched yet, but Goblet is my favorite HP film. I found the acting had gotten so much better from the main 3, and also the scene where Cedric's dad is sobbing "that's my SON, that's my BOYYY" while jovial music plays in the background was the most impactful acting in the whole franchize imo. Always makes me cry even before I had children. I didn't necessarily like the teen drama aspect but it did lead to some funny moments and thought it made the kids feel like actual teens rather than story book characters which was desperately needed for a gang that is always on some secret mission or has abilities unique even for witches and wizards haha we all are susceptible to the mundanity of love drama and embarassment and tantrums
But I also didn't mind GoT's ending despite knowing from season 5 it was going downhill LOL so I am just a happy go lucky person when it comes to movies and shows obviously heh
Well actually.....there was alot of teen stuff in the previous books as well it just wasn't adapted to the films eg- PoA had the whole Hermione and Ron/Harry silly rift which was cut.
GoF is the worst movie for me because it actively messed up world building and lore
Beauxbaton isn't an all female school it's just a school in France anyone can attend. Nicolas Flamel went to that school lol
Durmstrang was supposed to be all boys and meant to represent the misogynistic and negative world view of pureblood supremacists
mad that it’s a terrible adaption, and yet it has the best scene of any HP film so it makes up for how bad it is entirely (“that’s my son! that’s my boy!”)
I struggle putting it on the bottom area of my ranking purely because of the last 30 minutes
Fantastic video! Super underrated. What are your thoughts about Doyle's score and his Voldemort theme?
The soundtrack has its moments, such as the last minutes of the Voldemort theme that plays alongside priori incantatem, but on the whole misses the narratively-ingrained thematic weight Williams' Prisoner score had, and lacks the melodic comfort Phoenix and Half-Blood have that fit the smaller scale school-centered set pieces of those years. Goblet is unique in the series in containing as much action as it does, and I sort of get what Mike Newell was getting at when he saw the story as having the extravagance of a Bollywood movie, but overall I think Harry Potter works better by treating those moments of high-action melodrama as the outliers; as a result Doyle's score, like the film it's a part of, is probably my least favourite of the franchise, also in large part because I prefer atmospheric music that aids the tones of their scenes rather than narrating their visual contents, as it might surprise you to learn is a hindrance on my enjoyment of much of Williams' work on Philosopher's and Chamber, notwithstanding the otherwise iconic motifs they established. I'll probably talk a bit about this evolution in music that followed Williams' departure at the start of Chapter 6.
"Neville's Waltz" and "Harry in Winter" are my favourite tracks on Doyle's soundtrack, and I think they're most in line with my 'atmosphere' tastes.
@@Ozunoda I agree on everything you said! Harry in winter is Harry's theme in this movie. It plays in a lot of tracks like "golden egg" when he wins and when he catches the egg and as you mentioned when he saw his parents and won the duel between him and Voldemort and escaped with the cup. Harry's theme in the older movies was Harry's wonderous world. I love them both alot and they suit harry wonderfully. The recording sessions have a lot of atmospheric tracks in them I suggest you check them out.
@@isomericgamer6644 Yeah I used much of the recording sessions in my videos (mostly because their quieter, shorter minimalism works better as the background of narration) and was surprised how much good stuff doesn't make it onto the official soundtrack for whatever reason - lots of it with less cluttered mixing and more pleasant listening experiences as a result. I prefer when tracks are just one song distinctly attached to a specific moment or emotion of the film, as opposed to a weird mashup of several songs that cant really be listening to in isolation.
@@Ozunoda yeah it's weird how much good stuff gets left out of the official soundtrack release. This problem happens with a LOT of movies for some reason.
To this day, I still think that the Barto Jr. reveal should've been like the one from the first Saw movie: never showing him onscreen in present day scenes, then after the reveal that Alastor was him, exhibit former scenes with longer seconds to show him on the Manor, conjuring the Dark Mark and, if it was filmed, turning himself into Karkaroff to walk through the castle to PUT HARRY'S NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE, and stuff.
Ruining the reveal ruin the whole point of the mystery arc of the movie. Simple as that.
But it has to have the Saw music playing as it all unfolds
@@Enbionic_Titan Exactly. With the "Voldemort's back!" being heard in voice over, while showing more former death eaters celebrating his return around wizarding Europe.
fantastic video, as usual
Goblet of Fire is both my favourite Harry Potter book, and my favourite Harry Potter film too.
Which must sound odd lol.
Whats the mst absurd is how pivotal Hogwarts was to the plot of Voldemorts plan. This dude could not let go of the past.
Say what you will about the adaptation, but that songs a jam
42:07 I laughed way too hard at this
I think it’s weird you’re being really dismissive of Hermione advocating for house elves, but also critiquing Harry for not being sympathetic to them.
The way Hermione goes about advocating for house elves is too forceful to win over other wizards or even the house elves themselves, but I think Rowling writing that even Harry doesn't care about SPEW was taking his 'not caring' attitude to unbelievable lows, because Harry is in a similar muggle upbringing situation to Hermione, has his unique friendship with the poster child of house elf oppression, and was abused himself. Harry not caring makes him seem either stupid or sociopathic, and Hermione isn't given a proper arc of learning how to go about advocacy in a way that convinces others to her cause and suits those being advocated for, which is another conundrum Rowling created by making the house elves actually enjoy household labour. The whole subplot exists for Harry to realise, in Deathly Hallows, that because Voldemort was bad to house elves, being bad to house elves is bad, and if you're nice to house elves you can benefit from their magic, and now their magic can help us beat Voldemort. You can argue it works thematically, but as a piece of character development and world building it is completely half-assed and unbelievable that literally no one besides Hermione and Dumbledore realise slavery is bad prior to the slaves being of use to defeat wizard Hitler.
@@Ozunoda I would argue JK Rowling writes Hermione into a corner by making the house elves so resistant to change and making wizards so against seeing them as equals. It’s pretty hard for me to critique Hermione when everyone around her is doing virtually nothing. Plus, I don’t think social change in the face of injustice is something that is gonna be extremely nonchalant. The house elves and wizards are in too deep, so it’s unlikely they’re gonna be reasoned out of it.
@@sungexpression9093 That was a silly corner to write Hermione into and I think at least some of that silliness could have been alleviated if SPEW was somewhat successful prior to Deathly Hallows, at which point its just become some weird fan servicey obligation to end that vague narrative thread by having Dobby's death rally the house elves behind Kreacher.
it's not a coming-of-age story.
ugh can everyone stop just calling any story about teenagers "coming-of-age"?
Lmao bullet spells
I thought Azkaban was the worst adaptation.