How to Sound Like Elvin Jones / Inside the Teaching Studio
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2017
- Presented by Hannah Johnson
In this segment from the Vic Firth series "Inside the Teaching Studio", Hannah Johnson presents the topic "How to Start Sounding Like Elvin Jones". Hannah focuses on two aspects of Elvin's unique playing style: the triplet ride cymbal feel and "Elvin Latin".
In this new educational series from Vic Firth, we take you "Inside the Studio" of some of the world's top instructors to give you a peek into the time-proven curriculum that has motivated and educated generations of successful teachers and performers!
In our first series, we take you inside the jazz drumming studio of Steve Houghton from Indiana University's Jacobs School of Music. In each video, Mr. Houghton will describe the curriculum segment, which will follow with a lesson & demonstration from a student from his studio. With each student's presentation, you'll see the immediate application of curriculum to the real world of performance and explanation!
Whether you're an educator or student, you'll be sure to benefit from the concepts and lessons from this series! We encourage your thoughts and questions in the discussion below. - Hudba
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Hannah!
Heya I love your playing.
I’m Jessica Jennifer Williams pianist and composer and I’m 73 and I had the honor of playing with Mr Jones at the Keystone Korner in San Francisco. I was the house pianist there and Todd Barken was the MC.
I used to have a trap set and played with Philly Joe Jones after Sumi Tunooki left.
I also played with Tony Williams and we were very close friends.
I’m one of the lucky ones.
My music is everywhere and to hear you play made my day!
A Love Supreme
Jessica
Elvin had a telephatic sense for other musicians he was playing with feeling and knowing their phrases. So he could find and create his contributions to their play by his interplay. His drumming went far beyond all technical drum aspects like four way coordination, snare drum technique, polyrhythms and so on though incorporating all of them in his unique way paying tribute to music's parameter time, pulse, form, meter etc. .
If you want to sound like Elvin, it is no easy task as mentioned in the video and can never be accomplished, you should as Elvin be a very gifted and visionary musician. A pioneer who is able to play with the above mentioned parameters as he did, knowing, elastically and with endless joy, fire and above all love for life.
Nice! I saw the Elvin Jones trio perform live at a jazz club in Boston in 1968. It was just Elvin, Joe Farrell on sax, and Jimmy Garrison on bass. No piano, but lots of energy.
Jazz punk
We can only access the lower level of elvins playing
Great video! Looking forward to more of these. This is handy b/c I just started transcribing some Elvin Jones this afternoon. Thanks again!
Nice and swinging. Enjoyed the piano and Hannah's drumming. Elvin was a genius. He was known for the triplety stuff that she demonstrates. But his up tempo playing was also astounding. Listen to Coltrane's 'Impressions' for 20 minutes of blistering drumming.
Using the Crazy Army March as a solo intro is what really caught my attention. Inspired me to study and practice it myself.
That was awesome! A very nice and simple easy to understand but also very concise way of introducing Elvin-ism's. That was pretty cool
Awesome video Hannah! Thank you. It makes me want to go back and listen to some of those Elvin tune that you recommended.
I always loved his playing on Wayne Shorter’s “Speak No Evil.” Great medium tempo swing.
Great playing and analysis. Thank you
Thanks Hannah! It's so fresh and inspiring :)
Thank you for this, Hannah! You have such a command of the elements Elvin used and yourself apply them with such balance, articulation, feel, and calm, collected command. Bravo!
yup...you're totally right. fill in the space...another one to use is my favorite things. he does all kinds of ghost notes with pretty much any Coltrane recording and its where i get my basic ghosting technique from as well as my cymbal flow. also expanded this idea into something i call shadow. basically its a cymbal ghost note/snare combination with a twist. done right, it has a sound like a brush with the sticks...requires amazing stick control with pretty much every tap technique you can think of. i'll put a video up and show everyone in the next few days
Brilliant! Thanks for this.
Thank you very much,good tips and humble teaching
Very nice feel and touch. You’re a very good player
:) !!!!!!!!!! I never realized til just now, the ride cymbal is very vibey to the cascara played in a swung feel.....as opposed to 2's and 3's....that will open up the coordination melody ideas on the set...in any case..great video guys! :)
😮 so much! That was beautiful!!!!
A Sensational drumming job there!
Great touch.
So Tim post your own and educate us. Hannah, superb job.
Great video. It's funny how everyone has a different approach. If you put Elvin in front of a "teacher" they'd probably say "no no you're doing it wrong" lol even though he's one of the best in the business. Respect everyone's approach in humbleness. Music is from the soul. DC
David Curtis lol I swear I see you everywhere
Those with no or little soul or trying the only way they can..study mathematically. They are to be commended for studying Black geniuses who are the main Innovators in a number of things often still not credited with!!
Gazuka lol I ser him on every drum video too
elvin is a teacher's worst nightmare.
Beautifully stated sir, I agree
Elvin one of my favorites.i seen a great drummer in Portland OR Alan Jones N he did a tribute to Elvin Sonny fortune azar Lawrence were there too.this Alan Jones was truly gifted.look him up he's also brilliant.nthanksfor this.!!!!!:-)thanks Hannah.........
I lived in Portland for a few years, and Alan is phenomenal! Not only a gifted musician, but composer as well. I would go and listen to Alan with his sextet whenever I had the chance. He composed all the music for his sextet, and it was an amazing experience to say the least. Not only such a talented person, but incredibly nice too. He was always open to helping younger musicians
Great video. Thanks.
hannah johnson, this sounds great!
Great video. I too would love to know the ride she's playing. I think it's a Kerope.
Great great video!!
Hannah sounds great!!!!!
Hannah, I just saw this for the first time today and frankly, IT'S GREAT! Forget all the naysayers. You're onto something that will broaden your playing tremendously. I taught may years ago and one of the thngs I did was have a student imitate a particular great drummer for a 1 or 2 week period; play as close to the way they play as possible. What better way to absorb another drummers style. Sadly, a few people do that and get stuck; hence, all of those sickening, non-swinging Buddy Rich clones out there like Ken Loomer and Dick Cully. I get the vibe from your video that while Elvin is important to you, you know enough to check out all the other greats and not get stuck. Good luck and keep up the good work!!
I did Learn something, thanks Hannah
Wow! Sharp and precise with every thought! I'd like to play with her!!!
Tasteful sound and feel.
What is that ride cymbal? It’s beautiful sounding! Very woody and all that
Great stuff, a lot of info in a short time, really well expressed what is actually going on!
Excellent!
love it!!
Great lesson, excellent playing!
Are there any other videos of Hannah presenting drum/jazz educational topics?
She’s sounding great !
I love the slight touch she has on the kit, it makes the cymbals and drums sing.
Great players!
Ok so this morning I transcribed the first 8 bars. The 1st 16 bars not as easy as some seem to infer in these comments. It's played as two bars of 3 and a bar of 2/4 the comping would be easy but the ride is phrased in 3 and 5 so it throws you out a bit. I'm learning it bar by bar like a Latin groove. I'll get it in a day I guess. Thanks so much for sharing your great skill in transcribing your great swing too Elvin would be proud.
great and helpfull to! More on Jones please!
Awesome
Yeah Hannah!!!
Ride really sounds nice
The 30 seconds from 1:54 was a huge light bulb moment for me...
yeah, same here
nice video thanks
would you please tell me what ride you are using
Awesome player! What is your ride on this please, I know a bunch of us are dying to know, thanks! :)
Good video, I'm wondering with the different examples she gave what she is playing on the bass drum. Maybe just light four on the floor?
JUST LISTEN FOR YEARS ALL ELVIN'S RECORDS AND MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND JUST A BIT OF HIS FANTASTIC PLAYING AND DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE GUYS WHO TRY TO SELL YOU SOME DRUM LESSONS.DO NOT TRY TO COPY BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY LIKE OTHERS......ELVIN VINNIE TONY ROY JOHN RILEY VIDACOVICH BOB MOSES .....ON AN ON AN ON ;TRY TO SOUND LIKE YOU AND IT IS DIFFICULT ENOUGH ;OR YOU ARE LIKE A DOCTOR WHO study all his life BUT NEVER GIVE ASPIRINE TO ANYBODY LOLOL TAKE CARE AND GO TO YOUR CHED.FIND YOU WAY AND USE ALL THESE RECORDS FOR INSPIRATION OF COURSE.......IYOU WILL NEVER BE ELVIN JONES. RIP. I M SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IN MUSIC WITH YOUR DRUM.
She’s so good.
When I saw her playing posture was similar to Elvin’s, I knew it was gonna be a good vid
Nice!
He was so generous! Back in the day at Ronnie’s in London UK when it was two weeks of two sets per night I got the bug and was there most nights after my dinner gig around the corner. At the end I went up to him “ can I have a pair of sticks to remember you by?” He looked at me a little questioningly and then I noticed many many pairs of sticks laid out on a dressing table! He reached out and gave me a pair! That aftershave stayed on the sticks for a long long time! I said “ Elvin, if you were just in your hotel room what might you do if you wanted to practice?”
He answered “ well, mmm, Er... I’d play mummy daddy rolls on a pillow..Er...slow..erm...but accent the second of each stroke, Er...” then I shook his hand and he was such a great great man. ( I would have been in my dinner suit carrying a stick bag! 19! I’m now mid 50’s) Up to that point all I really knew as jazz was Martin Drew who was great but the first time I saw Elvin, he sat down and launched into a shuffle! It turned my world upside down! I really had never heard anything like it...
What a story! You still got those sticks?
I was there at Ronnie's too I'm 48, when I went up after the gig to meet him I gave him a hug lol. Elvin was and still is my hero. Such a gentle man, but with an incredible and unique fire in his playing.
there's only one way to sound like Elvin Jones: be Elvin Jones.
YES!!!
cool!
Nice playing. Let me work on this for about 15 years and get back to you. But seriously, thanks for the lesson
What is the ride cymbal that you are playing?
i don't even play drums but this is just beautiful
God Bless!
What kind of cymbals are those?
I am appalled by the unsubstantiated criticism directed towards Hannah’s outstanding playing/musicianship. It is impossible to replicate any particular individuals style to a tee, REGARDLESS of their accomplishments/musical influence. Hannah is simply doing her best to EMULATE Elvin’s style (and a damn good job at that) so that anyone with half a brain might see a little further into the greatness that was Elvin Jones. If you are here to criticize someone whose intentions are to educate you in the realm of the greats, your pursuit as a musician is futile. To quote spongebob:
“Shut your mouth, you mediocre clarinet (or in this case drum set) player. You pretentious, insignificant artist. Your sniveling creations are worth less than a protozoan’s waste.”
Classically trained jazz drummer here. She played fantastic. No one is Elvin Jones.
People know she's a good player. Nobody is saying that she's a bad player. When you make a video titled how to sound like Elvin, you can expect some criticism. Maybe they could have given the video a different title. It's disrespectful to the man. That was his heart and soul. You can't just sound like him.
I wanna see this same video but like Karriem Riggins or Nasheet Waits playing Elvin I'd lose my shit!!! Hannah is Killin it though!!
4:08 bass player goes into a pedal? What do you mean?
great
I think I'm in love.
Very nice, nice job. You really captured Elvin's sound. What brand & sizes of symbols are you using they sound really good. Thanks.
I think Elvin might’ve hit the drums WAYYYYYY harder though.. bit of a different feel/tone.. i see that she still figured out the notes that he was playing tho,, gj in the end
lady drummers....AWESOME
This is hilarious 😆
Passion dance
I'd like to know which ride is hannah playing there
sounds like a hand hammered Zildjian jazz ride. I play a vintage Zildjian jazz ride from the 60's myself. warm tone and a lot of sustain with a lot of definition
great video! very nice
Wow! Hanna Johnson is fantastic!! Does she have a Facebook page (as I am not on Twitter)? Thanks!
name of song?
Nice work!
Cool, cool, very nice. Hey Hannah - can you do Zach Hill next?
Corey Bertelsen i knew i wasn’t the only one here researching elvin on zach related matters lmfaoooo
so, ya....This chick just blew away most other video performers to date. Whaaaaaaaaa......?
Damn Hannah, you Killed That Shit !
Dang, she's good!
johnna hanson??
Technically the closest I've heard yet to Elvin. And it must be remembered that his touch was so much lighter in the early '60's. Like here. Later on he seemed to become a brute, hitting the cymbals and tom's like he had something against them. But still keeping that unique Elvin style. Anyway, this vid was great. Top, top drumming. By someone who is not just a drummer but can 'play' the drums.
Drums are meant to be HIT
killer video m8, really nice clear explanations and tight playing; all the "too clean" comments r fucking dumb this is a technical video to analyse some of the technical ideas upon which one might begin to analyse elvin jones, and the time stretching is like yuh but go off the video while shes playing and u hear the elvin
Tim Van Emmerloot: Don't be shitty. hannah has broken this down for the student of Elvin. Appreciate the hours she put in to confidently recreate these sounds and movements. It's a dance. Elvin did his and hannah is doing hers. Come on, there's all kinds of Houghton and Erskine up in there!!
It's the wrong phrasing, it's not the Elvin groove. It's shit. The students of Elvin should go listen to Elvin, study Elvin. This is utter bs.
Agreed. I feel like Hannah is like 25% too clean. How I hear Elvin as different from other drummers is more so in his ability to stretch times. Not only does he go from triplets to sixteenths to quarter note triplets etc, but he stretches the time in each of these to where you can't actually write what he does, but he pulls it off by keeping the beat in his head so it just sounds sexy, not disjoint. Just what I hear, not definite. The marches Hannah played were pretty sweet though.
Brian Randall Very well said...so true
"Hannah is like 25% too clean." nice way to chop the woman off at the knees! good work! at the end you threw her a crumb with your marches comment.
a lot of guys would like to play "too clean" like her. besides, i don't think she suggested you should try to play exactly like Elvin. Elvin and Tony were
great but what the Cult of Elvin don't realize is there's a world of drummers who Don't Want To Sound Like Elvin even if they could.
It might be the lack of heroin.
Brian Randall can you please take the time and effort to make a better educational video on the subject matter since you are clearly such an expert critic with your "clean" playing percentage calculations. People aren't watching this video for your opinions, they are watching to learn something about a style of drumming from actual educators who made a positive and informative video short. Comments like the one you made really make drum education suck and make people hate all of this. Stop making the internet an even bigger cesspool than it already is.
And you're 25% a little whining bitch. Let's see your better version wiseguy.
I think Elvin plays way more dirty
Your comment made me laugh out loud! I was thinking the same thing. Elvin's feel is Filthy. He plays all this mathematical, college professor stuff, but with insane Soul and Dirt.
isolationdisorder it's the African feel. Primal.
that's why he's Elvin
Dirty, with a unique way of playing rythms wich is impossible to note.
And very, very loud for jazz, you couldn't ear Jimmy Garrison's bass.
well elvin was really clean ... but thats true everyone thinks he played dirty.
This girl is perfect
It doesn't get to me why anyone would like to sound like another. As Mark Giuliana said we're all compounds of our influences so we should accept the fact that we're all different. To listen to Elvin's playing for example would be more of an additional influence which should mix into your style.
I luv u
I saw Elvin kicking his bass drum with a VERY high-heeled boot. If that's part of the secret, I give up!
You can learn to play like Elvin, but only Elvin sounds like Elvin.
I always wanted to sound like Elvin Jones on the drums, but I’m more of a rock drummer.
Most importantly, you have to grunt on the third beat of the triplet.
'Dirty' doesn't begin to describe the difference.
Miss Johnson plays simular note values and time without any of the feel, emotion, grandeur or angst of the original Jones groove. She sounds like herself (which should 'ironically' be the point of the video to viewers and listeners.
Good playing, lesson and analysis of some true Elvinisms. Still doesn't sound like him ;)
Lovin' how some of you are so envious of a girl (probably) in her teens who smokes you all on the drums. Impressive, and the pianist sounds great too. Troll elsewhere. Steve Houghton wouldn't allow this to be published if he didn't approve.
Hannah is a very good drummer! But the title is misleading: yes you can study the greats but you can not and SHOULD NOT even try to sound like somebody else. You can spend 10 lifetimes trying to sound like Elvin and still fail.. or you can spend one lifetime being yourself! The most important contribution from every great artist is that they developed a unique & meaningful voice and brought new ideas that haven't been done before in the same way.
Disagree. Benchmarking the top few players tends to rub off on you and therefore creates a unique sound in itself. I wish I did that 30 years ago.
@@andym28 you got me wrong! Of course i'm constantly studiyng the greats and thats what you should do.. but you must be careful not to become a cheap copy of someone by simply repeating their licks - take those concepts and build on that and don't think that just because you can play a transcription by someone that you are anywhere near that..
@@claudiowiesflecker413 people always translate others opinoon in tje weong way just to say they are not agree.
Sometimes it makes me sad.
You are damn right sir.
The playing was amazing... I️ just cringed heavily at the title and the over emphasis of replicating The Giant EJ.