Tony Williams' "Drop-Catch" Technique / Inside the Teaching Studio

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  • čas přidán 22. 02. 2018
  • Presented by Niko Embry
    In this installment of "Inside the Teaching Studio", Niko Embry demonstrates the "drop-catch" 5 stroke technique, often used by Tony Williams.
    Audio Engineering by Aaron Walk
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    In our second series, we take you inside the jazz drumming studio of Peter Erskine from USC's Thornton School of Music. With each student's presentation, you'll see the immediate application of curriculum to the real world of performance and explanation.
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Komentáře • 231

  • @slimyelow
    @slimyelow Před 5 lety +115

    drums seem so simple but, they are are endless

    • @frankburdodrums8984
      @frankburdodrums8984 Před 4 lety +3

      Well to some extent Yes.
      But if you think of it more simply than these advanced jazz players are able to explain, you're really not going to go further than 8 strokes in a row per hand or foot. I hope that helps.

    • @aidandoylepolitics
      @aidandoylepolitics Před 4 lety +2

      So true. So much to explore

    • @nibs5821
      @nibs5821 Před 3 lety +6

      The more learn on the kit, I realize the less I know.

  • @joecaroselli5858
    @joecaroselli5858 Před 5 lety +17

    He did a superb job here. I am a drumming instructor and player. I really appreciated how he broke this down without showing off. That is what teaching is all about! Excellent job, Niko.

  • @Martijn-Heesakkers
    @Martijn-Heesakkers Před 3 lety +1

    Just what I needed! Thank you Niko and Vic Firth.

  • @williamweir1547
    @williamweir1547 Před 4 lety +27

    Came here to watch the Tony Williams technique... Got hooked on the ride cymbal instead😎😎😎

    • @ramonlalabibzobu
      @ramonlalabibzobu Před 4 lety +2

      cos hes playin it with the tony williams technique :D

  • @leroyvega65
    @leroyvega65 Před 4 lety +2

    very cool , love your video and technique explanation/s .Tony Williams one of my all time favorites and one of the very best ever!.cheers man👍

  • @michaeljhintonpiano
    @michaeljhintonpiano Před 6 lety +6

    Beautiful playing. Stands on its own.

  • @tombagshaw2311
    @tombagshaw2311 Před 5 lety +1

    Best explanation of this technique I have seen bravo...

  • @nunnayuhbitness6708
    @nunnayuhbitness6708 Před 6 lety +2

    Excellent lesson, thank you very much.

  • @miodragradovic2794
    @miodragradovic2794 Před 4 lety +1

    Great lesson. Eye opener for me. Helped me a lot. Thanks! Keep up the good work.

  • @mikemaroney6688
    @mikemaroney6688 Před 5 lety +1

    Great lesson Niko. Great feel. Thanks.

  • @TheDrummaboy78
    @TheDrummaboy78 Před 6 lety

    So smooth!

  • @mjm5081
    @mjm5081 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for sharing! Happy drumming everyone 😃

  • @tomdrums88
    @tomdrums88 Před 6 lety +2

    Cheers Niko I've been trying to figure this out for ages

  • @tomelizalde7838
    @tomelizalde7838 Před 6 lety +3

    Great shirt great yellow drum kit & great playing !!!

  • @jameshall1648
    @jameshall1648 Před 6 lety

    Great post. Thank you. I learned a lot.

  • @dominicthompsonsr
    @dominicthompsonsr Před 4 lety +3

    this video is so awesome on so many levels!!!! If you don't know how to swing this is a great video to get you going

  • @VampireFreakDotCom
    @VampireFreakDotCom Před 6 lety +50

    This guy sounds crazy good

  • @caetanoparnes7321
    @caetanoparnes7321 Před 9 měsíci

    This lesson never gets old

  • @bogbrushify
    @bogbrushify Před 3 lety

    So clear! Thanks!

  • @slimyelow
    @slimyelow Před 5 lety

    truly fascinating!

  • @URiTPublishing
    @URiTPublishing Před 6 lety

    Very nice job Niko !!!

  • @robertmancuso1883
    @robertmancuso1883 Před 4 lety +1

    Great lesson...Kit sounds crisp!

  • @234rhuib
    @234rhuib Před 6 lety

    Best video ever today!

  • @RolfWamFjell
    @RolfWamFjell Před 5 lety

    This is excellent!

  • @miodragradovic2794
    @miodragradovic2794 Před 4 lety

    Amazing!!

  • @lyleman2112
    @lyleman2112 Před 4 lety

    Great application of Moeller. I like to practice 2, 3 and 4 bounce in different combinations.

  • @TurtleTurtlez
    @TurtleTurtlez Před 4 lety

    One of the better online lessons ive ever seen let alone from a student, no suprise Mr. Erskine is your proffesor lol

  • @Odthean
    @Odthean Před 6 měsíci

    Great lesson

  • @turnerthedrummer899
    @turnerthedrummer899 Před 6 lety

    Great video love it

  • @richh9904
    @richh9904 Před 5 lety +1

    You dance over and around the bar line doing this type of thing. Gives life to the music and you don't sound like a machine.

  • @arturofernandez6088
    @arturofernandez6088 Před 4 lety

    Great lesson!

  • @nessuno0
    @nessuno0 Před 10 měsíci

    Excellent!!!

  • @gregoryhussey6477
    @gregoryhussey6477 Před 6 lety +2

    Nice playing - dude - and nicley explained incl learning progression -

  • @michaellucas3802
    @michaellucas3802 Před 4 lety

    Great example of TW style.
    Great explanation.

  • @TheSaneMe
    @TheSaneMe Před 6 lety

    very nice concept !

  • @fdasaro1
    @fdasaro1 Před 6 lety

    nice feel Niko

  • @drumyogi9281
    @drumyogi9281 Před 5 lety +1

    Great control Niko. You have ride on lock down.

  • @AbhinaySonibobby
    @AbhinaySonibobby Před 6 lety +3

    Nicely explained 👌

  • @user-ec1rw2pz4j
    @user-ec1rw2pz4j Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent tutorial! I love how you break it down. I’m wondering if you might consider doing a video on ideas on how does one play the left hand and kick against that 5 stroke cymbal?

  • @netzah3488
    @netzah3488 Před 6 lety +1

    Massive 'smooth' playing Respect

  • @loucontino4804
    @loucontino4804 Před 4 lety

    Great!

  • @stkittsdave1
    @stkittsdave1 Před 4 lety +34

    “This technique can’t be learned in two or three days.”-everyone of us thinks we got it after an hour. 😁

    • @DRUMPROGRESS
      @DRUMPROGRESS Před 3 lety +2

      Patience Perseverance and love for the drums and you can find the way

  • @dmguk9931
    @dmguk9931 Před 4 lety +1

    kit sounds insanely good 👍

  • @gonzalezbucareli3606
    @gonzalezbucareli3606 Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome

  • @fuzzylightning
    @fuzzylightning Před 2 lety

    Wow!

  • @davidperez5089
    @davidperez5089 Před 5 lety +1

    All about dat SNARE! Tight playing.

  • @TheZooNinjaS
    @TheZooNinjaS Před 5 lety +8

    The Tony Williams yellow!

  • @lqgrxdeb
    @lqgrxdeb Před 6 lety +8

    Very nice lesson. Informative too. And your snare drum sounds great. Just great.

    • @baax
      @baax Před 6 lety +1

      And that ride cymbal!

    • @GeoffBosco
      @GeoffBosco Před 5 lety

      That's Peter's kit.

  • @JulianFernandez
    @JulianFernandez Před 6 lety

    cool tribute!

  • @pytagoresque
    @pytagoresque Před 5 lety +23

    do you have the right people around you to make music out of your talent ???? I really hope so and am looking forward to hear you....

  • @Mixedbydavey
    @Mixedbydavey Před 6 lety +1

    great feel homie!

  • @christophmeirich5928
    @christophmeirich5928 Před 2 lety

    Cool stuff!!! Thx for sharing!!!! Greetings from germany Christoph 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

  • @thelonious-dx9vi
    @thelonious-dx9vi Před 2 lety

    Wow, you play really well.

  • @tapecinematique5398
    @tapecinematique5398 Před 3 lety

    useful , thanks

  • @billfrater1948
    @billfrater1948 Před 2 lety

    Nice.

  • @AllStarOpera
    @AllStarOpera Před 5 lety

    A+ great vid

  • @odeskoo
    @odeskoo Před 5 lety

    excellent

  • @krispinkrisperson3614
    @krispinkrisperson3614 Před 5 lety

    Thanks

  • @drumshim
    @drumshim Před 6 lety

    Amazing right hand technique...

  • @GeoffBosco
    @GeoffBosco Před 5 lety

    Really dig this kid's feel.

  • @Ohleysmokes
    @Ohleysmokes Před 5 lety

    Yo!! Great Playing Niko!!

  • @gregwilliams2764
    @gregwilliams2764 Před 5 lety +2

    Good job. I hadn’t heard of this before. I’m a rocker. But I enjoy the talent displayed here

    • @russellesimonetta9071
      @russellesimonetta9071 Před rokem

      Rockers excel at singles for everything! Jazzers excel at doubles and singles!

  • @Ranger1216
    @Ranger1216 Před 7 měsíci

    Call it also open close finger technique….very effective once mastered. Excellent demonstration here

  • @cscamby0410
    @cscamby0410 Před 6 lety

    Sounds great! What sticks are you using? They look like they have a really long taper

  • @quadrant2012
    @quadrant2012 Před 6 lety +1

    This is great , I've been wondering how he played that , thanks !
    And feel free to tell us what you're left hand is up to 😎

  • @strumminfuel4625
    @strumminfuel4625 Před rokem

    Great tutorial. I love the sound of your ride.... what kind us it?

  • @jasonreddish6125
    @jasonreddish6125 Před 3 lety +2

    Great explantion and great independence when your playing the 5 on the ride. Lots of Tony in your groove.

  • @dannnnydannnn5201
    @dannnnydannnn5201 Před 2 lety +1

    He’s not lying when he says this technique isn’t going to be learned in a few days. I’ve been practicing this for upwards of a year (as a beginner-intermediate player), and I’m at the point where I almost have it (with my right hand). It’s not as even as I’d like but I’m getting there. Great video dude.

    • @Odthean
      @Odthean Před 6 měsíci

      How's it coming?

    • @dannnnydannnn5201
      @dannnnydannnn5201 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Odthean I’ve unfortunately not been able to practice as much as I was when I made this post but I did manage to get it. I’m still nowhere as smooth as the guy who did the tutorial let alone Tony Williams but the repetition paid off. The left hand is a whole different story though.

    • @Odthean
      @Odthean Před 6 měsíci

      @@dannnnydannnn5201 Well I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find more free time in the future. Are you able to play any uptemo ride patterns in general? 250 bpm - 300

  • @8020drummer
    @8020drummer Před 3 lety

    🔥🔥🔥🤘

  • @ettorelachina3587
    @ettorelachina3587 Před 3 lety

    Very fine video. Pleeeease, can you tell me what ride cymbal is that? I find it’s perfect! Thank you in advance

  • @loidl00
    @loidl00 Před 6 lety

    I need this drumset!

  • @manuelgchapajr4472
    @manuelgchapajr4472 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice

  • @mediumstudio
    @mediumstudio Před 6 lety

    beautiful!

    • @mediumstudio
      @mediumstudio Před 6 lety

      also - i like lessons and all - but really all i want to hear is just someone playing the drums ...

    • @mediumstudio
      @mediumstudio Před 6 lety

      and that goes for any drum clinic - i just want to hear a drum set concert ...

  • @dmgsoultogetherness6667

    👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @Sonny-wk3qs
    @Sonny-wk3qs Před 25 dny

    I don't care what Tony did. It works, and it sounds great.

  • @brianmelody8930
    @brianmelody8930 Před 3 lety

    Nice tutorial! What style of drum heads are those?

  • @albertcalor
    @albertcalor Před 6 lety

    Nice shirt man👍🏼

  • @thinktank8389
    @thinktank8389 Před 4 lety +5

    You youngsters have (by populous) become great drummers. I'm 52, had radio only, no YT.

  • @mattryan6886
    @mattryan6886 Před rokem +1

    Thank you so much for breaking down this technique. Absolutely beautiful Tama Star drum kit as well!!!!

  • @drumroll420
    @drumroll420 Před 3 lety +24

    I studied with Tony, and there was no "drop/catch" technique from what he showed me, and he literally used my arm standing behind me moving my arm and the stick between my shoulder and the ride cymbal to play it.

    • @workatprince1
      @workatprince1 Před 3 lety +1

      I agree, this doesn't sound like Tony. To my ears and eyes, tony used his fingers but his heavy use of his hand gave him a very fat sound, he didn't rebound much. Philly Joe practiced on pillows. Tony did the same thing from what I know. Not to take away from the lesson, it great. but more of a Joe Morello thing I think

    • @drumroll420
      @drumroll420 Před 3 lety +14

      @@workatprince1 Tony taught me to use hold the stick in the right hand with the back two fingers, pretty much like you see in his Zildjian Day video. In fact, everything he taught me as far as technique is what he demonstrates in that video, it's very simple, yet difficult at the same time (he would have me do full strokes with the dynamics of tap strokes, for control, for example). There were no fingers or rebound at all, you made every stroke with the hands/wrist. The approach to the ride cymbal: the position of the cymbal was very important, the bead of the stick (yes they were the mammoth Tony Williams Zildjian 2B's lol) hit to hit the bow of the cymbal in the right spot to draw the sound out, and again you held the stick with the back of the hand. The pattern was of course the "spang spang a lang" pattern (not the 5 pattern at first), and on the "lang" part, you pulled the stick back almost to wear you hit yourself in the head with the stick (Tony said this was just to show you were doing it right lol), then repeat the pattern and so forth. Again, this is all in that vid, anyone who studied with him at Don Sfarz'os Drum World in San Francisco would attest to it (this was I think back in '94, forgive me it was that long ago), and almost every video I see trying to teach the "Tony Williams Ride Technique" have it all wrong, as again he literally played the ride cymbal with my arm, holding my wrist and moving the stick and my arm back and forth to the ride while standing behind me while I was on the practice room kit. The ride used in the kit was a Zildjian 22" K Custom Dark ride, just to be specific. Tony then got behind the kit, played the ride at blazing tempo, looked at me in a manner almost bored (like he was reading a newspaper) while playing it and said "I can do this all day". It was that awesome.

    • @workatprince1
      @workatprince1 Před 3 lety

      @@drumroll420 thank you this is fascinating. You should post a video showing this

    • @drumroll420
      @drumroll420 Před 3 lety +2

      @@workatprince1 Just watch Tony's Zildjian Day clinic video, or any of his vids on CZcams. I spent a lot of money to study with him, it was worth every penny, but I am not of mind to give out free lessons on social media lol. That vid pretty much explains it anyway. There is a cat here on CZcams who demonstrates "The Tony Williams Technique" that pretty much has what Tony taught accurate, and all he did was watch that vid. You could practice on pillows, the rudiments anyway, which Tony even pointed out during my first lesson. There was no rebound, you made every stroke. People can take my word, or not.

    • @antonzigando150
      @antonzigando150 Před 3 lety +1

      @@drumroll420 selfish

  • @RhythmNotes
    @RhythmNotes Před 6 lety

    Best demonstration I’ve seen of this technique. A friend of mine at North Texas was obsessed with this technique for years. Awesome video!

    • @JoeyScrima
      @JoeyScrima Před 6 lety +1

      Yes This is the "Push Pull" technique. that's exactly what its called but with much greater detailed learning steps. Come to study with me I will teach you the exact steps to learn this method www.joeyscrima.net I learned it from the great teacher Chuck Brown in Oakland, CA

  • @friedchicken371
    @friedchicken371 Před 6 lety

    Daaaaaaaammmmn

  • @tdrum21
    @tdrum21 Před 5 lety

    Very nice. Love that cymbal. K Cons?

  • @Brandonbraun
    @Brandonbraun Před 5 lety

    i made a video on this years ago!

  • @building436
    @building436 Před 5 lety

    Very great job!
    (well, but I think it's possible to play 5 on the toms, you can jump for a moment with two sticks and make with them 5 on each toms, and back to the Crash and Hide...)

  • @afxmnstr
    @afxmnstr Před 3 lety

    He put on his yellow drums 👌🏾

  • @herbielewis2334
    @herbielewis2334 Před rokem

    Do you know anywhere which explains slide hand technique where you twist your wrist if that makes sense?

    • @herbielewis2334
      @herbielewis2334 Před rokem

      Think it’s called slide but I’m not sure ahaha

  • @Bcabatista559
    @Bcabatista559 Před 3 lety

    Anyone know what ride he is using?

  • @Samsgarden
    @Samsgarden Před 5 lety

    Would you suggest that he only used this technique early in his career?

  • @Flexapr
    @Flexapr Před 4 lety

    Who’s Tama Star Maple Drum Kit in Tony Williams Yellow? What are the sizes of these drums? I’m guessing they’re: 7x10” and 7x12” racks, 14x14” ft, 14x18” bd, & 5x14” snare. I just noticed it’s got Tony W’s 16” and 18” floor toms, too. 😆👍🏻🇺🇸

  • @elithepitbulldog2209
    @elithepitbulldog2209 Před 4 lety

    That ride.......

  • @josteinv.jordet257
    @josteinv.jordet257 Před 4 lety

    POSTURE!

  • @goodtimes54
    @goodtimes54 Před 3 lety

    you have good talent too bounce that stick on the drums

  • @tacocino2810
    @tacocino2810 Před 4 lety +1

    What's the implementation of this in context, I couldn't quite hear. Like what would the notation of it be/what would the rhythm or beats played on, be??

    • @sreekanthr1171
      @sreekanthr1171 Před 4 lety

      It's up tempo swing. It sounds like straight 8ths because of how fast it is.

    • @CrochetNewsNetwork
      @CrochetNewsNetwork Před 2 lety

      What is the pattern or is it random? 5, 3,2 in random patterns?

  • @virdixxii8341
    @virdixxii8341 Před rokem

    This is how I learned to play doubles. How do you play bounce stroke without this technique?

  • @anthonyjack1859
    @anthonyjack1859 Před 6 lety

    Beautiful.
    Anyone know what snare he's playing?

    • @shadowthebeatboxer
      @shadowthebeatboxer Před 5 lety

      Anthony Jack probably the tama starclassic Bubinga or walnut. Shells

  • @michaelanderson2881
    @michaelanderson2881 Před 3 lety

    Boss shirt.

  • @benjaminkenobi21
    @benjaminkenobi21 Před 5 lety

    What make/model of kit is this? Is the ride cymbal a Zildjian K Kerope?

  • @AaronLevyDrums
    @AaronLevyDrums Před 6 lety +5

    What he doesn't mention, which is very important when taking it slow, are the motions. In the right hand it's push pull technique, so "push-finger-pull-push-pull" or as he says "drop catch" "Drop, Finger, Catch, Drop, Catch" in order to achieve the 5 stroke method he shows in the example. -- Also, it's important to make sure you have the proper fulcrum point on the stick, since everyone's sticks of choice and hand size varies, that's up to you to find a proper fulcrum point. (in other words, not to far up or down the butt of the stick, and if you let the stick drop, the more naturally occurring bounces you get, the better fulcrum point is.)

    • @ourmanhiggins
      @ourmanhiggins Před 6 lety +3

      The thumb actually pushes in Push-Pull. This is Drop-Catch, where the initial stroke comes from the wrist. Different technique.

    • @AaronLevyDrums
      @AaronLevyDrums Před 6 lety +3

      That's incorrect. I would suggest looking up proper push pull technique. It uses the initial stroke where the fingers open during the first stroke, and to complete it, the fingers close make the second stroke. Everything I mentioned is involving the ride hand, not the trad grip. Also, you should check Jojo Mayer's DVD on hand technique. Push/Pull vs Drop/Catch --
      Bullshit. Same thing different name. Cheers.

    • @ourmanhiggins
      @ourmanhiggins Před 6 lety +1

      Yes, there are a lot of people who teach Drop-Catch as Push-Pull.

    • @hugoquirozdrums
      @hugoquirozdrums Před 6 lety +2

      Thanks Aaron this helps more than the video!

  • @omurolmez0
    @omurolmez0 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for your video but why do not you use bouncing in your right hand also ?