Complete with the tuning of the 19th century... before A 440... closer to late Beethoven in feel, maybe A 430... I was taken back in time... I just wish there was more of this!
@@baroquewinds, thanks for your clarification. I have a list here, with all the historical pitches, so much variations, and up to 456 mid of 19th. As you say, 435 was the official proposition from the Frensh Government in 1859. This special Erard comes from the Opéra Garnier, Paris. To be safe, our calculations are prepared for 440. 435, or 438 will sound great on them.
Hola una consulta desde argentina esos pianos erard de cola completa se pueden afinar bien pregunto eso porque lei que al ser casi los primeros pianos tienen el arpa recta y tambien las cuerdas yo estoy interesado en adquirir uno y tambien me han dicho que son complicados saludos
Hola Catalina, no tiene nada que ver con la posición de las cuerdas. La pregunta es: ¿el piano tiene una placa de hierro fundido o no? Con la estructura solida de hierro, afinarlo una vez al año. Sin estructura de hierro, afinar lo dos veces al año. Ademas, depende del modelo. Los tamaños más largos, incluso sin hierro fundido, se pueden acordar una vez al año. Sobre los mecanicos: una vez que el mecanico se ha regulado correctamente, durará y jugará de manera confiable. Simplemente... ¿quién en tu region es capaz de regularlo correctamente?
Chopin played the Pleyel pianos of that period as he was an official spokesman for the piano manufacturer. Privately, he had the opinion that Erard was his preference.
The near-identical twin of this Erard concert grand is in the lobby of a hotel in Dar-Es-Salaam, Tanzania. It's in terrible shape. Someone needs to rescue it.
neither? its a large grand piano. square grands are much smaller, sound worse, and went out of fashion in the 1860s or so. piano fortes are older than that.
En fait , ces 2 notes supplémentaires n'étaient qu'un "prétexte" pour élargir la table d'harmonie et donc améliorer la clarté d'émission de l'extrême grave.Une autre marque célèbre, Bosendoerfer", rajoute toujours plusieurs notes dans le grave pour la même raison sur ses grands pianos de concert! Ces notes graves surnuméraires n'ont pas vocation à être jouées pour elles-mêmes...
Bosendorfer uses the modern cross-stringing method of construction, however, thereby obtaining more resonance out of those bass strings than Erard did with its straight stringing. So does the even more exclusive Stuart from Australia with more keys both above and below the standard 88. I think modern cross-strung pianos do sound better and fuller than this Erard. But that might just be my modern bias.
@@claudiaklinkenberg3839 Thanks! I had an instrument like this, but the dampers were malfunctioning (as you know, on this old model they work from bottom to top). In addition, changing the pins, adjusting the mechanism and a total repair would have been very expensive. Finally, I sold it cheap. I now have a 1930 model F Pleyel. It sounds heavenly!
@@joelrigal4622 Du coup si j'écris une musique avec ces deux notes, elle ne pourra être jouée que sur ce piano 😃 à l'époque c'était peut-être une tentative de faire évoluer le piano vers ce standard, et puis ça n'a pas été conservé 🤔
Where are the facts and technical information about this piano l would have thought thats why most people would have tuned in for Cant tell much about its character if lm not in a room with it
the 90 notes Model was the most advanced model by Erard, and was meant to change the future of the piano building. The weight is heavier than that of a Steinway Model D. The 90 notes Erards are quite rare and have a lot of innovating features. Still it is a romantic approach to piano building, a very French way. The price was higher than that of a house. Our aim was to have it correctly restored and back to like new condition, as on the day it left the factory back then.
Digital synthesizers, executed well, can bring sounds of many piano models -- both rare and antique like this Erard, and plentiful and modern -- within the reach of the average artist. And that's the trick, for there is no standard internal mechanism for a digital keyboard and service parts will eventually become unavailable. (However, MIDI remains a standard after decades.)
It's a different thing from a modern piano, with different construction and therefore more limited resonance. I think too that modern pianos do sound better, which could be our bias from having known them. If this was the only piano we knew, we might consider the modern pianos to be clunky and boomy.
Excellent playing on an exquisite instrument, well done!
An enchanting performance. An ultimate listening experience. Thank you, to this amazing piano artist.
What a beautiful instrument and what a rich sound! Albeniz fits very well with this wonderful piano !!!! Thank you!
It takes a beautiful player to make a piano sound good.
Instrumento de época e música maravilhosa
Délicatesse et raffinement expressif d'un parallèle
Wow very rich and beautiful sound. Thanks for sharing.
I just love that the bass section doesn’t overpower the rest of the piano. Such a wonderful instrument and recording….
Straight strung! Love it.
@@hellbooks3024and iron wound, no copper.
What a beautiful instrument ya won’t hear any Yamaha sound like that that’s the sound of quality 🎹
Beautiful and fantastic!
Beautiful Sound...
Beautiful.
Beautiful Ms Claudia ❤
Wunderbar!
Complete with the tuning of the 19th century... before A 440... closer to late Beethoven in feel, maybe A 430... I was taken back in time... I just wish there was more of this!
France had the 440 from first half of the 19th century
For aesthetic maybe you are right,
Reality : This is called Out of tune. Not A 4XX
@@claudiaklinkenberg3839A435 was the standard pitch in France from the mid 19th century until the switch to 440 happened after WW2
@@baroquewinds, thanks for your clarification. I have a list here, with all the historical pitches, so much variations, and up to 456 mid of 19th. As you say, 435 was the official proposition from the Frensh Government in 1859. This special Erard comes from the Opéra Garnier, Paris. To be safe, our calculations are prepared for 440. 435, or 438 will sound great on them.
432hz is the perfect tuning. Back in the day of Beethoven and Bach and even Chopin was 432h. Much way better.
amazing piano!!!!
Would have liked to have heard the whole piece . . . .
👍👍👍
New Subscriber 🐎 cheers from Australia 🦘🐨 sending support 🦘 keep up the great music 🎶
Hi Ian, thanks for your really kind message! Stay in touch...best from Claudia and the Klinkenberg Team
Where can we listen more of this magic instrument and pianist?
It's amazing...
Thank you for sharing video!
Whow, wie vollmundig und harmonisch!!!! Ich habe ein R.Lipp Flügel aus dem Jahre 1896......habe die Restauration nicht bereut!!! Weiter so!!!!
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nice
Hola una consulta desde argentina esos pianos erard de cola completa se pueden afinar bien pregunto eso porque lei que al ser casi los primeros pianos tienen el arpa recta y tambien las cuerdas yo estoy interesado en adquirir uno y tambien me han dicho que son complicados saludos
Hola Catalina, no tiene nada que ver con la posición de las cuerdas. La pregunta es: ¿el piano tiene una placa de hierro fundido o no? Con la estructura solida de hierro, afinarlo una vez al año. Sin estructura de hierro, afinar lo dos veces al año. Ademas, depende del modelo. Los tamaños más largos, incluso sin hierro fundido, se pueden acordar una vez al año. Sobre los mecanicos: una vez que el mecanico se ha regulado correctamente, durará y jugará de manera confiable. Simplemente... ¿quién en tu region es capaz de regularlo correctamente?
What a rich sounded erard
I believe this was one of the brand used by Liszt back then, while Chopin prefer the Pleyel.
Chopin played the Pleyel pianos of that period as he was an official spokesman for the piano manufacturer. Privately, he had the opinion that Erard was his preference.
how much did this particular piano sell for?
The near-identical twin of this Erard concert grand is in the lobby of a hotel in Dar-Es-Salaam, Tanzania. It's in terrible shape. Someone needs to rescue it.
Oh! That is lovely! Is that considered a square or piano forte?
neither? its a large grand piano. square grands are much smaller, sound worse, and went out of fashion in the 1860s or so. piano fortes are older than that.
What bass strings did you use? wire strength and wrap?
On all pianos we do your own recalculation of the strenths. We are using Paulello material.
Só pra lembrar que o piano é um instrumento de corda
Claudia- what is this piece?
Please tell me the name of this song!!!!!
The middle part of Albeniz Granada
En fait , ces 2 notes supplémentaires n'étaient qu'un "prétexte" pour élargir la table d'harmonie et donc améliorer la clarté d'émission de l'extrême grave.Une autre marque célèbre, Bosendoerfer", rajoute toujours plusieurs notes dans le grave pour la même raison sur ses grands pianos de concert! Ces notes graves surnuméraires n'ont pas vocation à être jouées pour elles-mêmes...
Bosendorfer uses the modern cross-stringing method of construction, however, thereby obtaining more resonance out of those bass strings than Erard did with its straight stringing. So does the even more exclusive Stuart from Australia with more keys both above and below the standard 88.
I think modern cross-strung pianos do sound better and fuller than this Erard. But that might just be my modern bias.
I had a piano like this. Years of fabrication? Thanks!
1876
@@claudiaklinkenberg3839 Thanks! I had an instrument like this, but the dampers were malfunctioning (as you know, on this old model they work from bottom to top). In addition, changing the pins, adjusting the mechanism and a total repair would have been very expensive. Finally, I sold it cheap. I now have a 1930 model F Pleyel. It sounds heavenly!
What is the piece you’re playing called?
Composer Albeniz, piece is Granada.
La 432
I wonder where it is now…
What kind of piano is this?
A prototype by Erard, has 90 keys, a heavily constructed romantic concert grand
Is it 90 keys? Notes are what are on the score. Keys are the keyboard.
the Erard has 90 keys, goes down to G in the base
Qu'est-ce que cette pianiste joue ?
Its Albeniz, Suite española Granada
Прямострунник...
Et du coup les 2 notes en plus sont où ?
Dans l'extrême grave: la bémol et sol (qui deviennent ainsi les 2 premières notes du clavier
@@joelrigal4622 Du coup si j'écris une musique avec ces deux notes, elle ne pourra être jouée que sur ce piano 😃 à l'époque c'était peut-être une tentative de faire évoluer le piano vers ce standard, et puis ça n'a pas été conservé 🤔
que musica es? muy lindo el sonido
Isaac Albeniz
@@SergejBortkiewicz what song?
@@E1R4C87
Granada from Suite Espanola
@@wassimbejjani6793 thank you!
Where are the facts and technical information about this piano l would have thought thats why most people would have tuned in for Cant tell much about its character if lm not in a room with it
the 90 notes Model was the most advanced model by Erard, and was meant to change the future of the piano building. The weight is heavier than that of a Steinway Model D. The 90 notes Erards are quite rare and have a lot of innovating features. Still it is a romantic approach to piano building, a very French way. The price was higher than that of a house. Our aim was to have it correctly restored and back to like new condition, as on the day it left the factory back then.
Хорошо отполировали...
Но звук очень короткий и механика не "отвечает" всем задумкам музыканта..
Старый инструмент..
And yet........... Digital pianos well eventually replace them all. Sad.
Good because this one sounds like shxt
Digital synthesizers, executed well, can bring sounds of many piano models -- both rare and antique like this Erard, and plentiful and modern -- within the reach of the average artist. And that's the trick, for there is no standard internal mechanism for a digital keyboard and service parts will eventually become unavailable. (However, MIDI remains a standard after decades.)
...and, what is your point? Sounds dead, has no sustain; what am i missing?
You must have cloth ears and limited musical understanding. That’s what.
It's a different thing from a modern piano, with different construction and therefore more limited resonance. I think too that modern pianos do sound better, which could be our bias from having known them. If this was the only piano we knew, we might consider the modern pianos to be clunky and boomy.
Out of tune and not at all the sound one would expect from such a big Erard grand.
The negative commenters have no idea about the historical real sound of these grandpianos. See here
czcams.com/video/jnL9PIMH1nk/video.html
What is upsetting is we can't even see the keys. It's like a photograph if Mozart but it's just the back of his head and his tailcoat
Are you deaf? This piano sounds gorgeous.