Breaking into a tight line NO EXTRA GEAR - Is this hardest Level 3 rope rescue?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Breaking into a tight line and performing a pitch head haul used to be one of the staple exercises for an IRATA level 3 assessment. Together with the Short link rescue these were the hardest exercises to do. It requires a lot of experience and insight in how to do this and adapt on the fly. Rope management skills are essential to keep track of what is going on at all times. When the TACS was introduced by IRATA the "Breaking into a tight line" rescue got taken of the assessment form because the emphasis for a level 3 (and level 2) should be on prevention. Which is a good thing. In SPRAT it is still on the evaluation form for the Level 2's.
I do believe that at a certain point it should not matter what scenario you get thrown at you, you should be able to solve it. A Level 3 should have so much experience that this should not be hard. It will just take long. It is a lot of work and prevention should be key. Knowing how to do this just makes you a better rope tech.
In this video I will show you a way where we only use the gear we have on our harness normally. I know I am using a Progress Adjust and I could have put my Croll on a cowstail to achieve the same. For the actual lifting part I show two methods. The 1:1 counterbalance and a 3:1 Z-Rig type setup. I explain my preference in the video.
As usual with all the first rescue video's it is no extra or minimal gear. We get into more exotic versions later where we can use pulley's, extra clamps, pro traxions or clutches. Those things only make life easier and if we would have those rigging for rescue or preventing should be easy....
One thing that should become clear with this video and the Long Rope Croll Rescue video ( • Realistic Croll Rescue... ) Is that mastering that counterbalance position is key. And once you get that you can do any rescue with just a footloop or 120 sling if necessary.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro Breaking into a tight line
0:15 The Situation
6:07 First counterbalance into the Descender
10:50 Building a 3:1 or Z-Rig
26:41 The final raise - Jak na to + styl
Well.. What do you think? A lot of hard work. I prefer to continue the 1:1 counterbalance it seem like a lot less work and resets and quicker to.
Hard work! And I hope we agree that working like that inside a silo should never ever be considered... Prerigged pulley system or winch for passive work inside holes
Thanks Hugo :-)
We are 100% in agreement on that one! for sure!!
As a 118kg man, I usually weigh more then those on the line I need to break into so counter balancing them is easy, this is one of my favourite rescues I need to do.
Excellent video. Thank you, Alex.
Thanks for the video man ❤ always good to see the old ways
Glad you enjoyed it 😃🙏🏼
Epic!!!Keep up the great work mate
Will do my man 👊🏻
Really nice all ways learning from your videos mate 😊
Thank you that is great to hear!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hi ! I always have a capture pulley on my harness (the new Minitraxion to be precise) and a LOV3.
LOV3 is really the key for everything.
Just to be sure to never have to do all that hard job except for my L3 refreshments ! 😅
Nice video Alex, as usual! 😉
I wish you a happy new year.
Happy new year to you to Ju 😃😃
And thank you🙏🏼🙏🏼
Normally I also carry a few pieces of gear extra that make a rescue like this a lot easier if it would happen. I just make sure they dont by rigging for rescue 😜😜😜
Perhaps not taught anymore under IRATA, but it is still a requirement for SPRAT level 2 evaluations.
Thanks for that Richard. It is a good skill to learn. I'll update the description with this info🙏🏼
Awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Haha. Remember doing this a few reassessment ago. Assessor had me doing this mid-rope, apparently I needed the extra challenge. Still feel the burn
Hahaha He must have had a bad day! What a horrible and unrealistic test. Fun to try though!!
@@TheRopeAccessChannel The main issue I had was unable to really "move" much, due to literally being confined. Ended up using every piece of equipment, even stripping cows tails to add as additional points
Oh yes of course, You are really stuck in the two ropes with nothing to push of against. Normally you would be at the anchor points and have some fixed space like a beam or the steel strops.
I am going to try it when I get the chance. You know what, I think I might make a video of the first try just to show me stumbling around hahaha
skill in handling PPE, knowledge and coordination. Greetings
Many thanks Roman 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Big👍❤ 😅. Nice and clear señor
Big thanks
Could you make a comparison of this rescue with a little extra gear (think like a rollclip and a tibloc kind of gear, stuff you could easily always leave on your harness.maybe even a micro traxion) to see What kind of a time difference it would make? Maybe also one where you just use the 1:1 counter balance? Would be amazing! Groetjes!
Yes, great question. I am filming a few versions of this rescue. Next one will be similar to your example, one with a bit more and one with a setup perfect for this.
By the way, just for your info. If I would use the counterbalance I showed in the first few steps, it would take about 15/20 steps and about 5 minutes depending how tired you want to get ;-). So it can be quite quick. With pulley set up it will be about the same just less tiring. I'll see if I can really do it at speed without explaining in one of the video's.
I like how you avoid saying petzl regarding a descender that would have to be locked
Man you did well to demo such a cluttered rescue and not one pulley! I used to teach it but never on video and posted online so good on ya! I know you prefer the 1:1 (as do I) but how about just using the hand jammer anchored in the same way as the descender and roll the rope over a biner or pulley above the jammer? I prefer that style of 1:1 since the descender has so much friction. You would need a second rope clamp or Prussik to haul the rope into the jammer. As you say, plenty of ways to do it but it feels efficient to me. Nice work!
Thank you very much 🙏🏼
That is exactly the way I show in the second video on this subject. (not out yet). I use a pulley and a Tibloc for that one extra.
By the way I was not counterbalancing through the descender, but footloop over a biner. Like you say, the friction through the descender would be horrendous!
That was very good to see all of the changes and steps involved with an idea of how it all works together. Hard to really grasp it in one go around with so much clutter but still instructive. Hopefully the dummy just passed out from exhaustion and is still alive.😂
I am sorry to inform you the dummy is still a lifeless PoS that gets into trouble all the time..... hahaa
Nice work! Always a chunky rescue that one, the re roped progress adjust making life just that little bit easier
Absolutely👍🏻👍🏻. I was thinking that when I was editing the video... I should have done with just two cowstails and my chest ascender to make it really minimal gear.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I did my level one just at the time when the order came to stop towing shunts, so never had to break in using minimal gear from that era, but every little progression has made life easier and safer. At this point I reckon the main purpose of doing these is to serve as a potent reminder to rig for rescue 🤣
I use the same harness setup he uses a top Croll s and a Falcon harness.
It is a great combo👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I agree
I appreciate your self challenges on the fly. Retrospect is easy, expecially from the armchair. I'm aware there's heaps of variations/ways to do rescues. Just wondering how that rescue may have worked with the Spark, if you instead had a croll/chest ascender on the rope coming out the tail end of the Spark, so still 1:1, although counter weight , instead of counter balnance. My unknown would be the friction on the cam, verses your displayed counterbalance. Not sure which would be easier. I assume that would still be kosher using croll for counter weight out of the Spark, as it's rated for 2 @250kg. Nicely done on the videos btw, thanks.
Thanks :-)
If I would have done it that way it would have been a lot heavier. Even the 3:1 setup I was using was probably more like a 1,5:1 with all the friction in play. With a descender like the Spark or Rig you need approximately 3 times the force to move a weight. I made a complete video on that.
czcams.com/video/uq7AhJYXOQ4/video.htmlsi=F9t5lcosqJUvOELh
If I am using a Clutch or Pro Traxion for this than I would do what you propose for sure. That said it is possible for sure. Just heavier throught a cammed descender
In this setup with no extra gear for me a counterbalance 1:1 over a carabiner feels the lightest.
I had to put my edelrid fuse backup on a loaded rope recently and the rope deformed, making it impossible. Wish I had an asap after that.... Or had seen this video
I'm feeling you dude,
Sometimes its have to be done with whats left on the belt.😅
So i do some sessions, time to time, like we've trained at the Fire Fighter (hardcore)... just with an eight, prusiks, pulleys and some slings... was a hard day😂
I always like those challenges hahaha
Hi Alex, love the channel! I recently ordered a 2m petzl jag to make my rescues a bit easier than this but I’m wondering if the 1m could be more ideal than have a 2m. Do you have any advice on this, please?
Hi Nile, I think the 2 m Jag is a lot more versatile. Especially with a little rope stretch, the short one can actually too short. Now you have some room to move. Twice as much room actually ;-)
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Thank you so much, that was my thought process! Keep up the awesome work!
@@niletucker17 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
This is crazy i think. Are there ways to simply it?
Yes there are haha. This is just to show that it is possible to do with no real extra gear. However, prevention is the first. More gear second. Protraxxion, clutch, rd2 all make this a lot easier. Next up would be to get an extra rope for the hauling system. Way easier and breaking into the tight line is no issue anymore. That said, I still think it is a good skill to possess for any level 3
Thank you for your video Alex
I’’ve just a question : what kind of shoes do you use ? safety shoes? I try to find safety shoe that are not to big to be efficient with a foot loop. Can you give me a piece of advice?
Hi thank you for your question.
In this video I am not wearing safety shoes. Normally I do wear them though. I have been wearing the Lowa Seeker S3 boot for at least 10 years. I like them so much I order a new pair every 2 or 3 years without hesitation. I run two pair at the same time. One for really dirty work, one for normal work. The new pair becomes the clean work one and the older pair becomes the dirty work one. For me they fit so good that once I went for an unplanned hiking trip and I only had my work boots in the van. I walked on them for 5 hours and 20k. No problem at all. That said... Shoes are very personal. These fit my feet very good
Hey Alex ! Thank you for your kind and very compréhensible reply. Thank you for your videos 🤩
@@user-oe2tz8dd3j you are welcome 🤗
How about doing Leigh Greenwood 's 'Singapore special '. It's similar, just with knot bypass as well. 😅
I dont know who Leigh is and I like him already hahaha. Must be a sadistic SOB ;-).
I will do this for sure and I will film it first try to see how far I get !
Thanks for the inspiration !!!
Would be great to see a video on the Singapore special.
@@markweedon5678 I can’t wait to try it haha. Video is coming in a few weeks👍🏼
Hi, is it possible to make a video for rescue of a guy doing route setting in a climbing gym. Using only his 2 ropes ?
Highly appreciated 👍
Yes I could! That can be a fun one!! Great suggestion.
I don't know how route setters work these days. When I used to do it, it was just one rope and a Grigri. The rope would be tied off at the bottom on 2 bolts usually with an F8 and ABK to load share.
If you can share some more background information I can make a better video.
Ropes tied off at the bottom or not, static or dynamic rope. Type of harness, what back up device, what descender and who would be performing a rescue with what type of gear.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel
Hello,
I'm glad you'd like to take up the topic.
here we go:
Today, we’re a bit more professional ;-)
We work with two static ropes.
Both attached at the top of the route.
One with a rig attached to ventral attachment (lower one).
The other rope goes with an absorber and ASAP to the sternal point (upper).
Harness, (eg) AVAO BOD
Other Gear:
Ascension, Connect Adjust, Absorbica-Y with easy hook open,…
For rescue: Petzl Jag
Scenarios:
1 Rescue during Ascension.
We go up the wall to fix the ropes for setting at the top with Absorbica-Y, clipping in the carabiners of the lanyard into quicklinks of the quickdraws of the route.
Both static ropes (and one for the pulley system for the material boxes) are on gear loops of the harness.
A guy, who wants to rescue his buddy cannot use the ropes
2 Rescue during setting
The 2 static ropes are useable.
The guy who is performing the rescue has alle gear as mentioned above, as well as a Petzl Jag system (and a smartphone watching your videos😀😀)
Thanks a lot
@@felixd1127 why can’t you use your buddies ropes? That would mean the rescuer needs to climb up safely and install his own new set right?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel
Well, first scenario is, prior route setting , when the guy climbs first up to the top of the route. All ropes are fixed the gear loops of the harness . Therefore they can’t be used in a rescue.
I try to find a link to a instruction video . Don’t know if the link is deleted here , automatically. It’s from Vimeo platform
hey i´m great follower of this channel, i´ve a question why don´t you use gloves? is there any specific reason?
Hi, great to hear ;-)
I'll answer you with a question. Why would I need gloves???
As for myself, I like to feel the grain of the rope and I am able to grasp it better when we have to undo a knot.@@TheRopeAccessChannel
When working I usually wear gloves. When climbing and training usually not.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel we´re used to see the common instructor saying to wear gloves even if there´s only training in order to feel how is it, but you have a point... thanks i´m anxious to see the next video, i hope to see you in mexico one day
Is breaking into tight line still in the syllabus?
Not in the IRATA syllabus. I think in SPRAT it still is
Is a cow tail just basically a lanyard?
Cows tails are just a dynamic rope tied in a fashion that gives you 3 (2 long 1 short) lanyards.
You can also buy pre-terminated lanyards such as perzl Jane lanyards, or adjustable lanyards such as petzl grillons.
Yes, a cowstail is the name we use for our personal and/or device lanyards. They can be bought with fixed lenghts or knotted from EN892 dynamic rope. It could be as simple as a single rope with 2 f8 knots and arms length, or like what I have on other harnesses, is tying with a bulls nose to create 2 long ones and one short one. @accesstechniques used to have a video on that one. You tie as many as you want ore what is useful for a certain job.
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Near miss. no lanyard on the mic 😂
😂😂😂
@@TheRopeAccessChannel you know a neat miss is a potential accident. =}
🥱⏱,make window rescue
What does "make window rescue" mean?