Englishman Reacts... Heroic Polish Codebreakers set the Foundations for the Allies to Crack Engima
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- An incredible story of the Polish codebreakers who set the foundation for cracking the Enigma code!
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The first Enigma model was sent to Poland because it was a copy intended only for commercial purposes. The German supermen considered Poles to be like mindless baboons jumping on trees. And that was their bad luck.
Thank you that you're promoting our forgotten heros ❤
They’ll never be forgotten as long as you remember and teach those after you.
That’s why Anzac Day is so important here in Australia.
"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."
Spoken every year on Anzac Day.
They are not forgotten in Poland. Former Allies forgot about them by purpose.
@@SonOfTheWild good to hear, this Aussie won’t forget Poland.
Never forgotten. Heroes behind the curtain will still be revered as long as we shed some spotlight on them
Polish achievments in Enigma's codebreaking were almost absolutely forgotten by British and French historiography after WWII. Good to know all the truth about this episode and its' meaning for victory against III Reich.
For us it's a compliment that a foreigner is fascinated about Poland 😊😊🥲
Oh I love the place :)
Experts today claim that the British made a mistake by omitting Rejewski from the team breaking the Enigma code. This extended the work by two years. A monument was unveiled in Bletchley Park(2002) to commemorate the work of Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski, Polish intelligence mathematicians was unveiled. In July 2005 Rejewski's daughter, Janina Sylwestrzak, received on his behalf the War Medal 1939-1945 from the British Chief of the Defence Staff. On 1 August 2012 Marian Rejewski posthumously received the Knowlton Award of the U.S. Military Intelligence Corps Association; his daughter accepted the award. The Polish contribution to breaking the code was overlooked after the war, just as the Polish airmen were overlooked in the Victory Parade.
Polish Contribution? Let's end this submissive narrative of diminishing and relativizing the obvious role of Poles in breaking the Enigma code. Let's be short and straight, Without the Poles (Marian Rejewski), the English in their wildest dreams wouldn't have had the faintest idea what to do and how to do it. Breaking the code would not become a fact then. Categorically not. Dressing in someone else's feathers of merit is an eminently English specialty. The German plugboard-equipped Enigma became Nazi Germany's principal crypto-system. In December 1932 it was "broken" by mathematician Marian Rejewski at the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau, using mathematical permutation group theory combined with French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either an uninformed ignorant or a mere hypocrite.
More than just the Polish airmen were overlooked. There were 200,000 plus Polish soldiers, airmen, and sailors fighting in all theatres of the Western Front who were overlooked. The British Bevan Government did not want to offend the Soviets by inviting the Poles yet Stalin invited representatives of the First and Second Polish Armies that fought alongside the Red Army all the way to Berlin to his Moscow Victory Parade. Go figure. The Poles also paid the British for all of the uniforms, accommodation, aircraft, weapons and ammunition for which they were invoiced. No where in history has a nation charged another nation that helped defend them for the privilege. Even now some Brits get upset when the Poles accuse them of betrayal and fail to show gatitude for merely declaring war on Germany.
Forgetting Poland's contribution to the victory over Germany during the Second World War is not forgetting, it is a falsification of the history of that time.
@@wladyslawbukowski guess the English would break the code on their own but it would have taken a lot longer, years probably
@@bartoszpiacko9319 Such an option is not excluded, "miracles" happen even when we least expect it. However, the English at that time had such an idea about it as a frog in a pond understanding about the revolutions of celestial bodies. Regards.
It is worth noting that Turing met Rejewski [Reyevsky] in Paris in January 1940. During this meeting, Rejewski read out the Enigma-coded message in front of Turing. The psychological importance of this meeting can hardly be overestimated.
It is also worth noting that the Poles were the first to combine linguistic and mathematical methods in cryptography. Three prominent Polish mathematicians, Leśniewski, Mazur and Sierpiński, were employed by Jan Kowalewski, the commander of Polish military cryptography, for code-breaking during the Polish-Bolshevik war.
Oh yeah. Had he lived, Alan Turing would be very u unhappy about Imitation Game. Because he wasn't some sponger but a good and modest man. But gay community loves to make gay character confident jerks.
I think that’s just Hollywood. Especially the big bang theory.
Long story short -- they broke it, shared everything they know along with a copy of the machine and cryptologic bomb. The very same thing shown in british movies as "british invention" that was copied and made bigger so the enigma with more possibilites can be broken after the Germans added more possibilities but the principle was the same. After the war they took the credit for themselves, considering several betrayals from the brits during ww2 this is nothing unusual.
Enigma before the war was commercially available to companies, so breaking its ciphers was also no secret in theory. The military version had more rollers, so breaking its code took longer, very long. The Germans knew that breaking the code was only a matter of time, so the machine had interchangeable parts to change the code, even if Allies getting the enigma after changing its configuration without knowing the new configuration would not allow you to decrypt the message. Using math and creating a B O M B A machine made it possible to break the code fast enough.
Alan Turing did not break enigma's code, he just build state machine that allowed to speed up calculations. Without knowledge what and how to calculate his state machine would be useless in "breaking" enigma's code.
Rejewski and Zygalski fled to France and then to England, where they served in the Polish army, but were not included in Alan Turing's team. After the war, Rejewski returned to Poland and worked in industry. He revealed his role in the work on Enigma only in 1967 when he wrote his memoirs. He was appreciated and even awarded a high-ranking medal. He died in Warsaw in 1980 and is buried at the prestigious Military Cemetery.
@@misiocsl These are guesses. The real reason was different, though also, I think, a bit embarrassing for the British. The work on the Enigma description was a top-secret operation and the British side did not have sufficient confidence in the Poles. Unfortunately.
@@jarosawklejnocki6633
That's laughable considering that without the work carried out by the Polish mathematicians the British would have been conquered by Hitler and now we would be speaking German and having sauerkraut for dinner
@@mypointofview1111 How I like these seemingly brilliant comments, the result of reading without comprehension. I did not question the contribution of Polish mathematicians to the Enigma breaking process, I only wrote about the fact that the British did not trust them at the final stage, which is a historical fact. It was hard, but it was. And the fact that this contribution was not, is not widely known, it's just poor PR. But this is only the fault of the Poles themselves.
It was early commercial version of enigma used to encrypt biznes massages and the manufacturer sent it to potential customers who would buy it. The device differed from the later military version, but the principle of operation was the same.
I don't know where you got that false information, Enigma obtained by Polish counter inteligence did capture it long pre war, and it was actually a prototype of first military adjusted enigma of werhmaht from late 1920's.
"Po raz pierwszy szyfrogramy zakodowane przy pomocy Enigmy udało się rozszyfrować polskim kryptologom w grudniu 1932 (lub styczniu 1933[2]) w Pałacu Saskim w Warszawie, mieszczącym siedzibę Biura Szyfrów Oddziału II Sztabu Głównego Wojska Polskiego. Praca Polaków: mjr Franciszka Pokornego, kpt. Maksymiliana Ciężkiego, inż. Antoniego Pallutha oraz uzdolnionych młodych matematyków: Mariana Rejewskiego, Jerzego Różyckiego i Henryka Zygalskiego pozwoliła na dalsze wysiłki nad dekodowaniem szyfrów stale unowocześnianych maszyn Enigma najpierw w Polsce, a po wybuchu II wojny światowej we Francji i Wielkiej Brytanii. Do wybuchu wojny pracę kryptologów wydatnie wspierali inżynierowie z Wytwórni Radiotechnicznej „AVA” którzy konstruowali sobowtóry „Enigmy” oraz urządzenia i narzędzia pomocnicze do dekryptażu"
I heard that it was meant for german embassy in Warsaw, but Germans were thining Poles inspect their diplomatic mail against the nternatonal laws so the sent it as something else but he made a mstake in adress so it arrved at a bank across a street from embassy.
@@ler2000 Yes but I wasn't refering to the machine that they got, I was refering to the documents that came from Werhmaht HQ to French and later to Polish mathematitians.
Not all Germans were bad. In the defense of Westerplatte (probably?) The employees of the Gdansk shipyard took part, among them was a German who decided to fight on the side of Poland and Polish colleagues. At the end, without bullets, they were forced to surrender. These were the first days of the war and it was the German Army, not a bunch of SS psychopaths, and they still had some honor. All became prisoners except for one German who was shot in the back of the head in the first days of the war.
@@edck. Od pierwszych minut wojny nie mieli Niemcy ani grama honoru. W Gdańsku spalili żywcem miotaczem ognia córkę dyrektora Poczty Polskiej, bombardowali dla ćwiczeń miasta bez znaczenia militarnego, samoloty urządzały polowania na uchodźców,mordowali jeńców, cywilów,dopuszczali się czystek etnicznych od samego początku,a ty debilu opowiadasz BREDNIE o honorze???? Wehrmacht niczym nie różnił się od SS!
This is important information that many people in the west do not know. Thank you for sharing.
this is not the whole story, Rejewski, Różycki and Zygalski emigrated to France after September 1939, where they continued to break enigmas for several years in the French equivalent of the Polish "cypher bureau". Everything they could find was passed on to WB, they contacted Alan Touring by phone.
Turing's nephew, Dermot Turing, has written ,XY&Z: The Real Story Enigma Was Broken'. This book not only covers the Polish contribution in partnership with the French and later with the British. Some of the key Polish code breakers, such as Rejewski, Zygalski and Felden did manage to get to Britain via Spain, and work as commissioned army officers for the Polish Intelligence Service based in London. Amazingly, while Rejewski worked as decipher in Hut 6 at Bletcherley Park his identity was not known to the British code breakers.
Let's end this submissive narrative of diminishing and relativizing the obvious role of Poles in breaking the Enigma code. Let's be short and straight, Without the Poles (Marian Rejewski), the English in their wildest dreams wouldn't have had the faintest idea what to do and how to do it. Breaking the code would not become a fact then. Categorically not. Dressing in someone else's feathers of merit is an eminently English specialty. The German plugboard-equipped Enigma became Nazi Germany's principal crypto-system. In December 1932 it was "broken" by mathematician Marian Rejewski at the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau, using mathematical permutation group theory combined with French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either an uninformed ignorant or a mere hypocrite.
@@wladyslawbukowski Have you even read Dermot Turing's book? Most of it is devoted to the Polish contribution. Nothing submissive about it or my comment.
@@ronaldostrowski4014 That's right, "contribution". Without Rejewski's sheets, breaking the first code and everything he provided to the English, Touring would not even have dreamed of how to go about doing anything of this kind. Without Rejewski's achievements, Bletchley Park would not break any Enigma code, it would still only collect, computerize and analyze data, which it was originally appointed to do. One could safely use the comparison that Rejewski provided the British with a black and white television set and they perfected it and made a color television set out of it, and such a comparison would still be too generous for them. So, if we are talking about the Polish contribution, let us be more precise and say 'decisive contribution'. That would be more acceptable. Do we fully understand each other? Best wishes.
You are preaching to the converted. Just read the book before accusing me of presenting a submissive narrative. Are we on the same page? By the way, Polish inventor Jan Szczepanik patented a color television system in 1897. He used a selenium photoelectric cell at the transmitter and an electromagnet controlling an oscillating mirror and a moving prism at the receiver.
@@ronaldostrowski4014 "Contribution" is a term that can only refer to the cryptologists at Bletchley Park. The Polish contribution, on the other hand, is a DECISIVE CONTRIBUTION. That's what I mainly meant. My "preaching" is just a little extra. As for the TV, it was just an abstract comparison on my part, not a description of a fact. I thought you'd understand. Anyway, thanks for the info and best regards.
To bardzo smutne, ale w 2001 roku Niemcy wspólnie z Brytyjczykami, Amerykanami i Holendrami nakręcili film "Enigma" według scenariusza Żyda Tomáša Strausslera. Polacy w kontekście enigmy pojawiają się tam tylko w osobie odpychającego zdrajcy, przez co film zyskał w Polsce negatywny odbiór.
From what I know, There is a monument to these men in Poznań. I had an opportunity to work with modern encryption for one of my previous employers when I was back in South Africa. This story does strike a cord with me.
In Imitation game polish aspect is completly ignored
I think there was one short scene where they say it's from Poles
Worse still in another movie titled 'Enigma' a fictious Polish character portrayed by Danish actor, Nikolaj William Coster-Waldau, was a spy for Nazi Germany. What an insult to the memory of the true Polish heroes of the Enigma story.
They sent the enigma through the mail to Warsaw for their embassy (The German embassy). I believe it was an industrial version (non military version enigma).
Made in Poland ...... and friends ;] Good Job Rob !!!
A little tip here J should not be read as G but rather as Y, so Reyewski would be much easier to pronounce. There is a section in Blatchley Park museum dedicated to PL Cipher Bureau now, where one can learn about it
I've watched a few of Rob's videos on Poland and immensely enjoyed his enthusiasm and genuine interest for that country and its people. An enriching learning experience indeed. Thank you Rob.
Thank you! I'm here to learn more!
I strongly suggest that you would show the story of "V1 Rocket", how Polish resistant movement smuggled the V1 Rocket to UK during the war.
V1 yes, but more important was V2 and this is the story ;)
@@misiocsl And the barbed wire ;) "...master race ideology.." Are you mean Charles Robert Darwin ;)))
@@misiocsl No, it's no polish idea, barbed wire was invented by the Brits, patent in US but... "I do not see ralation between Darwin and master race." Really? So I really ;) recommend the book "On the Origin of Species".
@@misiocsl Salut!
Was it not the V2???
It is the same with Polish pilots who shot down a ton of German Airplanes. They used English planes to do it and the English to this day try to claim it was them who did it. Even the Prince had to go to Poland years ago and apologies for much of the false rhetoric spewed by the historians. One must remember that much of the Polish air force fled to England along with the standing Gov.
Polish School of Mathematics, the great Polish names as Banach, Ulam, Łukasiewicz, Sierpiński etc. made Polish mathematics famous. In western Europe there was a saying: "He is a good mathematician, he must be a Pole"! Please note that RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) by Łukasiewicz is now a base of every CPU work! It means that everyone reading this text uses RPN 😁
Polish School of Mathematics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_School_of_Mathematics
RPN: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation
One of the main contributions of Bletchley Park was not cracking Enigma but Lorenz, a "super Enigma" with 4 rotors not 3. The number of possible letter substitutions was massively increased. Lorenz was used between German High Command and Hitler.
Somebody should make show about pre war Lviv maths academy. Gang of boozing math creating geniuses and individuals with superb characters are actually well embedded into many today's science areas. It is sad that nobody taught me about them until I got 26! Well after my uni.
Similarly, the world does not know that the Poles captured the Monte Casino Fortress during the Second World War. Over a thousand Polish soldiers died. With the Polish army at Monte Cassino there was a Syrian bear,, Kapral Wojtek,, adopted in Iraq. He helped carry ammunition and other loads.
Look the book: "X, Y, Z. The real Story of How Enigma Was Broken" , Author : Dermot Turing (nephew of Allan Turing), The History Press, 2018
There's more to this story. For example Rejewski survived the war and some Polish codebreakers did make it to England.
U shot on good content. Poland as all other countries, have huge history. And if someone is Pole here, we can be proud of our country and people who lost there lives..
The Rejewski monument shown in the film is in Bydgoszcz, I invite you to visit :-)
I think they have sent it by mistake by post to German office in Warsaw.
14:46 - This picture was made in Bydgoszcz on the corner Śniadeckich and Gdańska street. In Bydgoszcz is few murals with Rejewski face.
Human mind always looks for the most complicated answer...
If Nobel prizes were given to mathematicians then Poland would have gotten most of them.
The Enigma being send to Warsaw might have been just a silly mistake by the post. Why from Germany? Because it's a German invention. And here it was the COMMERCIAL Enigma. Common before the war, used in trade, banking and other civilian fields.
Hey Rob!
If you are interested in this topic and plan on visiting Poland again in the future, there is a whole Enigma Cipher Center in Poznań :D I used to work there for some time and can recommend it!
Essentially the enigma would work by this method, you would hit a key (like on a typewriter) which would produce another letter on the first cog and would then advance that first cog 1 letter. So you could hit any letter multiple times and each output would be different. Once that cog did a full rotation it would then move the next cog one spot. So you would then get another different set of results. And then the next cog once it had done a full rotation would advance the third cog. The later ones had 4 cogs making decryption difficult, and took many months before they cracked it.
The German receiver would have a book with the key to decode it by putting the cogs in the correct order.
Over time the senders would get lazy and not change the code, making it easier for the Brits to decode it. There was also in the message that was sent a key at the beginning of the code that would tell the receiver how to set up the machine. Whenever German subs were destroyed there was a mad rush for the Brits to grab the machines and the code books before the Germans could destroy them.
Rob, your comment about Germans not agreeing with what was happening, reminded me about Rammstein - Deutschland. It's so full of history, symbols and acknowledge of all the evil.
4:03 As far as I know we just bought It. It was commercial (addressed to businessman) version of enigma. Not the military one. It was a little less complicated. Germans sold it as a normal machine to use in tread for encoding the business messages. They ware s sure, that enigma code can't be broken.
The polish mathematicians broke Enigma first, before WW2. Germans extended it, then Turing (based on the Poles work) broke it again. That saved lives of millions people and led to victory.
Git, chłopie. *Polish
The battle of Warsaw was partialy victorious thanks to Stalin who ignored the order to send troops to aim Warsaw siege and instead send them to capture Lviev.
Drachinifel has an excellent video on enigma titled:
Breaking Enigma - Exploiting a Pole Position
yes
Wtf?! We didnt set the foundation for craking enigma WE CRACKED THE ENIGMA
Rajewski * R.I.P OUR Heroe :)
And unfortunately, when it comes to Enigma, it is one, but a big glitch. In return for sharing knowledge about Enigma, the Poles demanded only one thing. After the war, Britain was to reveal the source of the Enigma information. About the fact that they received this knowledge from Poles and that without them Alan Turing could only pick his nose.
By the way, I am not belittling his contribution and achievements, but he had no basis, and he received it from the Poles. And what picture of the situation was spread around the world? Alan Turing deciphered the Enigma all by himself....
True Alan Turing was absolute math genius but without data he would do nothing. Also the Alan Turing was treated was nothing but inhumane and stupid
Breaking Enigma code is the main Polish achievement and even more important than entire Polish military effort during WW2. From 1933 almost every German message was read but it was distributed only to 7 or 8 most important officials in Polish government and in the Army under promise that the knowledge will be not passed to anybody else. On 26th of July 1939 entire know-how was handed over to British and French Military Intelligence. Alan Turing was undoubtedly a genius but I doubt he could solve the code in reasonable time. Time was the decisive factor during battle of Atlantic and other crucial events.
Famous Colossus machine was an improved version of Rejewski's Bomba. I think watching 'The imitation game' would be a waste of time as it concentrates mostly on Turing's personal life and gives false impression that he was the sole breaker of the code. Just one more political fiction action movie. On you tube you will find a much more detailed true story by Sir Dermot Turing, Alan Turing's nephew 'The real story of how Enigma was broken - Sir Dermot Turing'.
Best regards
On 5 August 2014 the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) honored Rejewski, Różycki, and Zygalski with its prestigious Milestone Award, which recognizes achievements that have changed the world. The uniqueness of the device lay in both the concept of mechanical cipher-breaking and the exceptional mathematical ideas that Polish cryptanalysts employed to crack the supposedly unbreakable encryption mechanism. Ony about 170 people was honored milestone.
July 2005 Rejewski's daughter, Janina Sylwestrzak, received on his behalf the War Medal 1939-1945 from the British Chief of the Defence Staff. On 1 August 2012 Marian Rejewski posthumously received the Knowlton Award of the U.S. Military Intelligence Corps Association; his daughter Janina accepted the award at his home town, Bydgoszcz, on 4 September 2012. Rejewski had been nominated for the Award by NATO Allied Command
Ockham's Razor
If you are interested in how Enigma worked, there was this fun flash animation some years ago that explained it pretty beautifully.
Imagine you have a disc, which is separated into 24 segments, one for each letter of the alphabet. On both sides of the disc, you have 24 contact points, but there's a catch - the IN contact point for A connects to the OUT contact point for F for example. This means, that when you push the A key on the keyboard, the little lamp marking the F letter gets lit up.
So that's the basic principle - now it gets more complicated.
You add two additional discs, each wired similarly to the first one, but each connecting different letters. So if the first disc connected A to F, the second might connect A to K for example, and the third one will connect A to C.
This means, that now, instead of a simple A=>F encoding, you get A=>F=>X=>L for example. Finally, you add a fourth disc, which is then wired back into the previous three, so you get a second layer of scrambling:
== I ==== II === III ============ III === II ==== I ==
[A=>F] [F=>X] [X=>L]=={L=>Z}==[Z=>R] [R=>T] [T=>H]
With I, II and III, marking the three discs.
"But wait, wouldn't that mean that A is always going to come out as H then?" - I hear you ask.
Here's the kicker: The three discs, they moved, similar to a distance counter in a car. Every time you pressed a key, the first disc advanced one step, changing every following letter:
== I ==== II === III ============ III ==== II ==== I ==
[A=>F] [F=>X] [X=>L]=={L=>Z}==[Z=>R] [R=>T] [T=>H]
== I ==== II ==== III ============= III === II ==== I ==
[A=>D] [D=>G] [G=>M]=={M=>K}==[K=>T] [T=>R] [R=>J]
For example. So when you pressed "A" for the second time, now it showed "J" instead of "H". And when you pressed that "A" for the second time, the first disc advanced yet again, again changing the end result.
But this would still be easy, as every 24 letters, the disc would return to the initial position, right?
This is why every time the first disc made a full rotation, it also moved the second disc one step ahead. Which means, now you've got a fresh set of 24 letters, and when those run out... the second disc moves one step ahead again, giving you the next set. This repeats for 24 x 24 = 576 key presses, with each letter being a unique scrambling process. And when you press a key for the 577th time - the third disc moves, and the whole tango starts all over again, giving you 24 x 24 x 24 = 13,824 key presses before the algorithm gets reset and "A" comes up as "H" again. Well, that's not exactly right - "A" will show up as "H" multiple times actually - but the scrambling process will be completely different, so there would be very little regularity to this. The only disc - "rotors" they were called - which didn't move was the fourth one, the one I marked above with the { } brackets.
To make the whole thing even more fun, these rotors could not only be manually set to any combination of three letters (This is what the person is doing when he's rotating that cog-like thing in the video), but they could also be removed and switched around, and later there were two additional rotors added, so you could've chosen any set of three rotors out of 5 available ones and mix and match them, which meant 13,824 x 6 x 6 = 497,664 starting combinations to choose from.
Finally, the Kriegsmarine - if I remember correctly - added their own little nicknack to this, and they've introduced additional wire scramblers - basically, you could rewire any letter into any other letter before sending the signal to the rotor, which added yet another layer of scrambling.
The interesting part, however, was that the system was mirrored - so if you pressed "A" in a certain rotor setting, and "H" came out the other end, you knew that, if you used that same setting for the letter "H", "A" would invariably come out in return. This meant that Germans only needed to send a message like "1, 3, 4, O K T", which would inform the operator on the other end about the numbers and positions of the rotors, and the operator knew that whatever garbled mess comes through, if he puts it into the machine, it will properly decode it. The weakness of Enigma - again, if I remember correctly - was that a letter would never come out as itself I think, which served as an important hint for the codebreaking process.
Tank you for showing that😊
He was 27 years old when he broke the code.
Alan Turing's reputation for making the major contribution to breaking the advanced Enigma codes during WWII is safe. That said, it has been common knowledge for at least 20-30 years that Turing and the Bletchley Park decryption team did not start from scratch -- they had been handed the keys to the early versions of the Wehrmacht's Enigma by Polish intelligence. The encryption patterns of the early military Enigma were known -- no small thing -- but the Bletchley Park cryptographers had numerous insights and breakthroughs in order to keep reading the increasingly advanced versions the Germans rolled out during the war. But give credit where credit is due: the Poles performed the original work upon which the Brits built. And while numerous Polish soldiers, sailors and airmen fought for the Allies, their mathematicians may have made Poland's greatest contribution to the Allied victory, even as Poland herself had to suffer under five years of fascist occupation, followed by another nearly 45 years of being occupied and oppressed by the Soviet communists.
Ci genialni Polacy co zrozumieli enigmę i pomogli wygrać wojnę zmarli w biedzie w Anglii
Poważnie? A Rejewski nie mieszkał do końca swoich dni w Bydgoszczy??
Thanx for the video, Rob.
The AVA Radio company was a Polish Warsaw electronics which was responsible for making exelent copies of Enigma. Mathematicians were working on them back then? It also sounded weird for me that was a mistaken/present package?
Enigma worked kinda like RNG now if i'm not wrong. Meaning that while encrypting it used inputed base value called "seed" to make a numeric replacement for any input, but every input on the machine changes the "seed", meaning that even if same letters were next to each other they replacement would be different, making linguistical code-breaking depending on probability analysis totaly useless
yes!
3:49 Question ... Why?
Answer...
January 1929 post office in Berlin.
- Will you look after this package?
- Of course! This is german post office.
...
a few hours later
...
- Oops!
- Oops? What did you do with my parcel? ...
... In Poland!!!
I remember watching the movie about this not too long ago 👌
Thank You 🤗
The entire civilized world should erect monuments in its capitals dedicated to three brave, young people - Poles:
MARIAN REJEWSKI
JERZY RÓŻYCKI
HENRYK ZYGALSKI
Their talents, open minds and hard work contributed to shortening World War II and saving at least 10 million people.
Only experts can comment on the contribution of these mathematicians to the development of combinatorics and the theoretical foundations of computer science.
Unfortunately, even in Poland their role in defeating the Third GERMAN Reich is little known!
Best wishes
At the end of this film, there is a photo with Rejewski's bench - the center of the city of Bydgoszcz; where this hero was born and raised!
Consider making video about officer Witold Pilecki who volunteered to infiltrate Auschwitz
It was sent in dyplomatic mail to German Embassy so they could code messages sent to Berlin
Rob, could you say "bottle of water" in the next video? 🤣
I just watched this video and am surprised to see the same video with comments? What is the point, the original video stood on its own merit.
Because it's me learning
@@RobReacts1 appolgies, a bit too critical. Sorry.
I find that the film czcams.com/video/Zm9mU8PT2tM/video.html can be interesting for you. It's about another Polish contribution to the war effort of England.
It's amazing how we all united against evil - nowadays which country has a greatest contribution in crackking Enigma, but the truth is it's been thanks too Polish, French and British and even one German working together. They all shared the same spirit and ideas and united against nazis.
It's such a shame that in the end polititians gave in Poland to Soviet Union. I think we had such a strong free spirit and European identity, but 50 years under soviet boots, i can see older generation loosing lot of that values and turning very encaplsulated and xenophobic.
It starts to change, but i can still feel that Soviet spirit in people living in villages and small towns and dont even realize how they view world through that soviet lenses.
thanks to polish people
2:39 If you look at what's going on in Ukraine, not only is the Russian army not learning from its mistakes, it's not even more civilized than it was in the 1920s. They not only do not know that an electric kettle needs a special stand, not a gas cooker, but they also cannot use the toilet. It all came to light when one Ukrainian posted a post after returning to his rather luxurious home after the Russians had withdrawn. It turned out that they set up a base in his house, and instead of using the bathroom as intended, they punched a hole in the floor and settled their needs there.
Hey Rob, It's called an "Occams Razor - the simplest solution is almost always the best.”
Occam's Razor is a good tool. But it's not always right.
The world is a very complicated place and things are happening every day that logically should never, ever happen because it's too unlikely.
In this case we the Poles simply knew the Germans best. And this is why we knew that the Germans were too logical to organize the letters any other way than in alphabetical order. And that's the information that the Brits were lacking, since they aren't the ones that had to deal with the fucking Germans for a thousand of years.
* Ockham
G'day, The americans developed the only code that was not broken during WW2.
Wasn't it just Navajo language? It's funny to me that the most effective way to code the messages was take some amerindians and make them talk through the radio
@@Krokmaniak They developed code words for each letter. Each letter also had several different code words. A hand granade could be called a Pine Cone. They had to develop multiple names for all types of things.
@@skullandcrossbones65 It was actually navajo language.
Something similar was used by the Polish army at the very beginning of the war, in September 1939. It was slang and references to culture and linguistic associations legible only to locals.
@RobReacts1
video title is not accure - set the foundations?! They did all the job for Allies!
Poles CRACKED mathematically Enigma CODE in mid '30s - this is historical fact (and have builded decoding machine).
Germans just before emergenig of WW2 has changed the CODE MATRIX, so all code translation work had to be done from begining.
Poles didn't make it before 1.09.1939 on theirs own because they were attacked, so all their's work THEY HAVE PASSED over on UK side (incl. decoding machine), and here the fake/so called "legacy" of Bletchley Park starts.
Bletchley Park wasn't plasce were CODE was CRACKED, it was "just" a "decoding-manufactory" with R&D team that used Polish blueprints to adjust decoding process to known variables that Germans were implementing on the go during WW2.
Bay the way ... ROB , WHAT YOU THIN'K ABOUT THIS SONG - SMOLIK & NOVIKA - T.Time ?
We need their smarts to work out the AFL scores this week.
All we hear about nowadays are Poles who understandably demand more recognition for their codebreakers prewar efforts, and yet the same people are eiter completely ignorant of, or completely refuse to highlight, the VITAL assitance that was provided to them by French military intelligence.
For further information please read about Captain Gustave Bertrand and the prewar German informant he had "cultivated" named Hans-Thilo Schmidt, codnamed "Asche".
If a Pole belives in something they will sucrifice a lot, even their lives….
Hi matey. Polish "j" is usually equal to english "y" therefore try to pronouncr that last name as Reyevski
Next time you are In Poland visit Poznań and the Enigma Museum. Because it's awesome. And the city is awesome as well, but I'm very much biased 😉
Redżewski xD
Mieczysław Ścieżyński ........ simple, no?
Gday robbo I really did enjoy this vid I’m glad I took the time to watch this vid
Sekret Enigmy - Enigma Secret - 1979 - w/ English Subtitles
czcams.com/video/h2Ug4OrtExU/video.html
Set the foundations? They broke it, budy.
2:42 But this is the reality of the war in Ukraine. Both sides, at the grassroots level, are using the infamous Chinese Baofeng radios that anyone can listen to.
Why do you focus on the Poles in particular?
I can not understand why brits did not try the simplest solution. It is too easy so it can not work, but maybe spend some time try few the most possible options to avoid the entire calculations. It is not important how low is the possibility, after effort required for easy and hard way makes me I would try the impossible anyway.
I wonder if there was ever an attempt to smuggle those blokes and thru families out of Poland? And if not, why not. Maybe they didn't want to go, but it'd be a travesty if they were never asked.
By accident lol
The movie you watching is not bad but a bit inaccurate. I never heard that story with "a strage package", not sure if it is true. Ashe played a role, but there is a bit to much about him here. On the other hand there is not much about the others of the Enigma breakers besides Rejewski. I mean Zygalski and Różycki. But overall it is fine. In the past there were far more inaccurate depictions of that story.
ROB TAKE A LOOK ON THE FILM OF SIR DERMOT TURING THE NEPHEW OF TURING SAYS ABOUT THE ENIGMA . ITS CALLED " THE ORIGINS OF ENIGMA CODEBREAKIBG AT BLETCHLY . THERE YOU WILL HEAR THE TRUTH 🇵🇱✝️✡🇮🇱☦🕎🇵🇱
some of germans who help have one pl parent or parent they parent was pl
yes our culture dominate almost all time others cultures in family
Very poor documentary here. It omits so many important and interesting things. I'm quite interested in this subject, as I've been born in Bydgoszcz, where this postument of Rejewski is(at the end of the video). I now live in Preston Lancashire.
So, so, so many interested things in this story, for so, so, so much better documentary.
For example: It is believed that Bertand ratted out some Polish guys, when arrested by Gestapo. Rejewski survived the war, and worked in Bydgoszcz, as a regular clerk, and couldn't say a word about enigma to anybody for years, as this would undermine USSR efgort in winning the war. Firts of all, at the beginning they were reading it by hand, using perforated sheets (Zygalski sheets), then constructed bomba. Bomba was working until Germans have added additional wheel, making it 4 wheels all together, which added so many extra combinations, that they would need 60 bombas to combat it.
Etc etc etc
You sh to v Miś ,and hydrozagadka
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Don't watch imitation game. It is one of the most if not the most inaccurate historical films.
In politics nothing happens by a chance, why this wandering?
Let's end this submissive narrative of diminishing and relativizing the obvious role of Poles in breaking the Enigma code. Let's be short and straight, Without the Poles (Marian Rejewski), the English in their wildest dreams wouldn't have had the faintest idea what to do and how to do it. Breaking the code would not become a fact then. Categorically not. Dressing in someone else's feathers of merit is an eminently English specialty. The German plugboard-equipped Enigma became Nazi Germany's principal crypto-system. In December 1932 it was "broken" by mathematician Marian Rejewski at the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau, using mathematical permutation group theory combined with French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either an uninformed ignorant or a mere hypocrite.
Rob, you are Brittish, and you have different perspective, cause your school teach you different of does not at all about some subjects. Are you aware who gave principles for supperior race theories? Who created first concentration camps? It was Britts! Turn on english CC and if you find this offencive cover those facts with typing "boer war concentration camps" in google or wikipedia.
It wasn't the Brits, it was the elite. It has always been the elite. All our problems right up to this very day are caused by the masonic elite