The Catch To Apples New Patented Parts Lockdown System - Inventor Makes A Testimony
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2024
- Parts pairing or what Apple calls "Systems and methods for authenticating components on an electronic device" has caused issues with repair for years. Now due to changing laws Apple have to make some changes by allowing used Apple parts. Although not without a lot of questions sounding 3rd party parts and how Activation Lock will work for replacement components.
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Get my new phone testing app here: apps.apple.com/us/app/itest/id6484069424
Can't wait for the Android version.
Someone reply to me if the app is available on Android as well
Edit here: only the month was dropped here, not the day, and what I want to ask is the exact date
@@techyme8884 You will be happy to hear the Android version will have additional features, one I have not seen anywhere else.
There is a lot of restrictions in IOS app development so it naturally will lack some features or have less info presented than the Android version. However still I believe it to be better than trying to test everything manually.
@@Spidapida006in may it should
@@HughJeffreys Sounds exciting. I hope it'll work well across different devices (that have different hardware capabilities, e.g Galaxy S4 has a humidifier sensor, and the only galaxy iirc)
Is there just no penalty for directly lying in a Senate committee hearing?
Not anymore. They own both 'sides'.
@@cjay2 And if anyone think that this will improve if the Republicans win this year's election then think again - it'll be far, far worse.
The punishment could be customers stop giving them money, but most consumers don't care.
Jail* @@daniellundqvist2926
@@daniellundqvist2926Exactly, if their iPhone breaks, they get a new one
That apple spokesman has absolutely no shame, just barefaced lie after barefaced lie
Was he under oath? If so, then is that perjury?
once he finished his contract with apple, he will probably look for a job in PR with a political part. I wreckon he will use this video as his resume, on how well he lies
He's on a few 100k to do so.
That's Apple in a nutshell, they primarily do things that will benefit Apple while dressing up their policies to make it LOOK like they are helping the consumer.
Don't be fooled - Apple are not the consumer's friend. Far from it.
@markk9530
Or he was chosen to represent due to his ignorance, and therefore be more convincing.
His field was security, and there is good reason to be concerned about third party parts and the security of the device.
My family and I have fixed the Apple problem. We no longer buy anything Apple 😁
Which would be great if apple was the only problem.
That's good
The products would be amazing, if only the Apple company itself wasn't such trash
@@ph12tech Sadly they aren't alone, they are just leading the pack.
So much green washing.
Or safety washing.
Security washing.
@@stusue9733...and intentional backdoors🤦♂️
This video should be sent to the committee members.
Im pissed to live in a state where an Apple rep can lie to our government like that
It’s not just with Apple. This is common sadly.
They don’t want to hear the truth, which explains why.
This is literally every real tech company ever.
@@michaelhall9146its only with toilet shit apple,what're u on?
I'm glad you're following such news and keeping us up to date. The lawmakers in Oregon should see this video. I just replaced the Touch Bar on my 2019 MB Pro as it was not working correctly and often caused the whole computer to panic and shutdown. As I have work experience on fixing phones, it was doable but man was the Touch Bar adhesive strong! It sort of reminded me of iPhone back glass glue and I had to scrape the old Touch Bar out in a million pieces. Not a fun job. I'm glad it turned out fine and it works now, luckily it wasn't a paired part!
Heat the back with 150c heat with ispropyl and you can remove the touch bar without a single crack. Thats what i do it to salvage a working touch bar from a badly dented and damaged top case.
Apple is fully against "right to repair" regardless of what they say
I've seen issues similar to this while working as a service tech for a restaurant group.
Sometimes having "exclusive" parts is important but not everything has to be exclusive. In some cases we were required to purchase the parts from certain vendors in spite of the same part (brand and part number) were available elsewhere, sometines for a lower price. That eventually was changed as it slowed repairs
Now in many cases we are able to replace parts in equipment so long as it was of similar style (as in compressors) or were generic parts (such as power cords, relays, contactors, etc)
Bugatti , Ferrari and others not ? try put sticker on Ferrari :)
Just purchased the iTest for my phone and I like how it works. I am a technician at apple and this works similar to the diagnostics we run. Great job with this app.
The diagnostics you run and lock to apple for "safety concerns?"
They are taking it too far and it is clear that biometric security protection is a scapegoat.
This reminds me of a situation I was personally in, My 2001 Vauxhall frontera sport was hit by someone in an aygo, it only had minor damage, however because of part rarity, (I’m UK) etc, it was put at Cat B (or breaker) so it could only be crushed, and never put on the road again, with 74k miles on it. It also reminds me of certain Samsungs, for example, a fold 5 or whatever they call them now, where because of the difficulty in sourcing the display, they are mostly put to recycling (cost Ofc), similar to that s21 ultra you found at landfill. Now iPhones may be less likely to be repaired, or even saved from landfill so parts may be used, it’s kind of sad we have come to this, for something as (for example) insignificant as a phone’s camera. Scary.
Some rich dude bought a car from Germany and got it here to mexico, after a hit they couldn't get a replacement straight 30cm rod so they had to either make one, test it, get it approved and then install it or start a business selling car parts
Atleast mexico let's you repair whatever you want while it's not gonna kill you or other people but still hard to repair stuff without any restrictions, now imagine what happens here when a new iphone comes out, we don't have original parts for about a year or two
@dingus2519
This happened to a lot of new cars, especially EVs, due to global parts supply issues following COVID, and the cost to the insurer of hiring like vehicles for an undefined lengthy period whilst waiting for those parts. As a result it is now harder to obtain insurance for certain vehicles, despite the supply issues largely resolved.
Sounds alike a law we have in Denmark too. How we in Denmark says that a car is totalled, is to see how much it costs to repair it out of x% of the car's value.
For example. You can have the most everyday car and a high end expensive car. Give them both a dent and a scratch on the same part of each car. You will risk to get the high end expensive car marked as totalled, while the everyday car can be repaired and sent out on the roads again. And because how the laws are here in Denmark. Once a car is marked for being totalled, then NO ONE can buy it and repair it. It will be crushed and scrapped
. Cat b is for things that are impossible to repair. If you only had "minor" damage it's not impossible to repair. Even on a 2001 frontera. It might not have been cost effective for the insurance to pay for it but there are plenty of broken spare fronteras still about. I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies are being instructed to get older cars off the roads. Cat b cars you can buy back.
@@readmore7180 insurance didn’t let me have it back, even though I argued :( I wound up just letting it die as it was taking its toll on me mentally, it had a broken grill and headlight, and a dented wing. That was the only damage and they put it as breaker anyway, even when I contested it.
Purchased your app without a second thought. Thanks for the years of great content. Great app idea.
It says my Vol+ button doesn’t work but it does, on se3. Can you change language in app? And on an 8 too
iTest is amazing! Need a Mac version please! With a built in 10 minute stress test!
Hugh you are the only person i watch about the stuff you do, i like that you take and give every phone i have seen you work on a fair review not being biased with different companies
You know, I don't think this really makes sense where Apple is currently doing, although I can understand of what they're trying to do, only putting it to one model that's outrageous enough
Well
35 likes in 3 hours. You guys are outrageous
This could be a limitation because of the way that they have to reactive a sensor. I hope this actually does improve though
85 likes and 15 hours you guys are outrageous
One model?
Thank you for posting this! Makes it easier to understand
It's a shame that there was no clarity. When I saw the announcement I was excited, to then. read that activation locked parts were not eligible. Also, I wonder how long it will take to get over to the Mac line-up, are iPads included? So many questions, no way to get them answered, will just be trial and error
The problems with Apple
1. High prices
2. Closed ecosystem
3. Repairability issues
4. Monopolistic practices
5. Limited customization options
Good build quality super sound awesome screen fast :) Rolex and other brands doing the same , Ferrari ?
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this stuff.
When I hear this news I always go back to Cory Doctorow quote “Cyberpunk was a warning, not a suggestion.”
Cheers mate.
I'm using a 2017-made iphone 8 with ios11.3. All apps still working, though some websites have stopped. No gaming, no social, everything else just works. Thanks, Hugh.
I’ve been thinking about the iCloud lock part in Apple’s news article for a while, it seems like as long as they don’t change how iCloud lock works, allowing used parts in repairs won’t really be meaningful
Top 7 in the utilities on App Store! Way to go Hugh! You have all our support as fellow Ozzies.
Spot on, very well said Hugh!
The people from the hearing need to see this.
Also: Your new app looks brilliant!
i still dont understand the security concerns it seems completely manufactured to me.
The problem being that the fingerprint reader module should not be doing everything locally, because then it would be incredibly trivial to spoof, maybe even in software. The only thing it should be doing doing is reading out data from your finger print, and then spitting it into the CPU of the phone for it to verify.
If that's a "security concern" whoever could use that information, already has your fingerprints, and therefore already has access to your phone. Making dummy prints it's not exactly difficult.
Correct.
Here is Perry's response to a similar question on security: czcams.com/video/qD4zVrWlUUM/video.htmlfeature=shared&t=4459
@@HughJeffreys hm, interesting, thanks for the response, it still seems like a bigger issue on apples side to me. A sensor sending the same identical spoofed reading would not only be active all of the time, (which i imagine would make it really obvious) but would also be like super trivial to protect against software side. Literally all you have to do is to cross reference the previous one with the next one, it's going to be slightly different.
The chances of it being the exact same in repeated fashions are basically impossible. And even then (if you didnt want to do that for security reasons for instance) you could still do some basic tests when the hardware is installed to ensure that it actually works properly, which can't be that difficult. Considering they already have it setup that way. There is still no reason i see for it to completely disable it outright.
And beyond that the likelihood that this would be a one time targeted attack is also basically zero. Certainly possible but it would be more effective if whoever was targeting you just hit you over the head with a brick or something lol. So it's mostly just user error, and apple not allowing the user any freedom under the guise of security that they won't implement.
@killingtimeitself
He is just giving one example. He may not wish to discuss in a public forum other potential issues with their hardware. We can see with the M1 chip news about potential hardware security issues, which cannot necessarily be easily patched by software.
Are you close enough to the hardware and software design to categorically that they have no other potential issues?
@@urglegurgle5807 It's a well known FACT that apple do this to hinder third party repairs. It has ZERO to do with security.
really stoked for the app, great work Huge!
Someone like you or Louis Rossman should be at these hearings to refute wrong claims like the ones made by this spokesman. Otherwise there's a major disconnect.
I personally would like the best of both worlds here. Disabling lost or stolen parts but also giving you the full ability to use genuine used parts.
no matter what law they make, apple will send their endless legal teams to look for breaches to make life for the users as bad as possible while pretending to comply with the law, but not really doing it
Great app Hugh! I found that my auto brightness isn’t working for some reason or another but I’m not too bothered about that.
As they did with the EU, every thing they "say" will sound good at first glace, the issues are as always in the vague written parts. They will only do what they're forced to do, or they do things, what will keep new rules or laws away from them. You should never trust in a word, a company with financial interests says with trying to find out the other side. Especially not Apple. They milked people since the early macs with connectors and specialized stuff, that at the end was the normal hardware with hard to come by simple modifications.
Thanks for this video!
Knowing Apple’s pass history on how hostile they been to 3rd party repair. I feel like an issue like iPhone 6 error 53 or something similar will occur if you use stolen parts. Speacially with a screen cause to the best of my knowledge how can you prevent a “new screen” you just bought from eBay but was part it out from a stolen device? Simple by bricking the phone so to the best of my knowledge only swapping IC chips on the screen will be the only option if you wanna use a screen from a stolen device.
What’s iPhone 6 Error 53??
@@LennonsRetroTech The iPhone 6 came out in 2014 with the original software being iOS 8 if during that same year you replace the home button or back metal plate that had a wire going from the home button to the logic board. The iPhone would work perfectly fine but when iOS 9 came out if you upgrade the software the device with the replacement parts would brick itself and the data lost.
No one is advocating for lost or stolen phone to be used we are talking about phone that bricked due to icloud locked a lot of time you need another apple device using same apple id to authenticate yourself having a phone number linked is not enough anymore
awful diction in this thread
@@alysdexia English is not everyone's first language
New testing app looks fantastic, great for testing the quality/effort of a refurbished device
It baffles me how the whole world, near enough, is trying to reduce ewaste, yet here's apple actively increasing it by preventing repairs. It's not just apple though unfortunately
The apple spokesman speaks with forked tounge
Just bought your app and is amazing thank u ! for me very useful as i also repair phones.. Greetings from Germany
Good job on the application
I like a lot of your videos, you have to make more Regularly
Imo, it only makes sense for the device used for biometric security (i.e. Face ID modules, fingerprint scanners) to be serialized to the mainboard. But it needs to stop there. There is no good reason for a display, camera, vibration motor, battery, etc. to be serialized.
No, it doesn't make sense. The sensors just read the biometric data, the validation of this data occurs elsewhere. Whatever sensor you put in, it can't compromise the validation if done right.
the fingerprint reader is just a reader not a storage device storing the info. its all stored in the phone. its just scanning your face or finger not storing it. look at androids. they should pair no parts.
Just installed an app. Really nice and straight to the point app!
Great app.. keep up the good work!
Wow. It's pretty ballsy to lie to lawmakers' faces.
I'm just happy you pronounced Oregon correctly.
I've seen certain tools to reactivate certain components and functions like True Tone and reset battery percentage also to copy the data from factory screen to an OEM replacement.
Looks promising, but Apple repair policy is unfair and they can't solve some problems that 3rd people can do with such a quality.
To be honest for all the good things about Apple's hardware and software (not so much lately) it has become much easier to just chose other devices/manufacturers considering their behavior and the constantly increasing prices (for no good reason).
I understand many peoples are somewhat locked in for convenience because it can be very hard to swap all the data and equivalent software that people are using but I would say we are around the corner where it has become a worthwhile inconvenience to at least try.
Smartphones evolution is pretty much done and it's hard to justify the large premium Apple ask for their devices when they are clear problems down the road for longevity (repairability and forced software obsolescence).
I have been an Apple customer long before they became that successful and I am just appalled by what the company has become.
Very informative video
I got your app its very helpful
More people need to see this
I have over 35 years experience in IT. Worked in many gov. agencies and why someone pays for an Apple device is beyond me. I never have.
An excellent app Hugh a PC version of the app would be great so that you can just plug in any I device an check its condition excellent work tho Hugh great content as always 👍
doing the lords work..
One thing that Apple has taught me is that if you think they're going to do something right, you're most likely wrong, and if you aren't, then it's always a massive compromise to what is actually the right thing. They will fight this to the end, and only ever give what they're forced to give. Either by actual regulation, or the threat of regulation making them do it properly.
Its still insane that they're selling the system of needing a verification server to repair a device as a good thing though
Hugh you're looking great!
3:24
Look at Tim Cook.
What a nice guy doing the sign language interpretation 😂
My eyesight is 4/6, so don't judge me too harshly on the resemblance 🙄
Love how i got a iphone ad for this video
Hello Hugh, I tried to do a touch disease repair on my iPhone 6 plus a couple days ago. The repair seems to have worked so far, I didn't experience any touch disease after it. But, even though I used an electronics essentials iFixit toolkit, with the 000 phillips bit, I managed to strip almost all of the tiny phillips screws. I really don't want this to happen again, but I need help, how to do it, without striping screws. Thanks in advance.
I wonder if you do get an actual good screen from a clean phone will they charge us to calibrate everything?
I bought your app iTest and got a fail on the light sensor. I would like to see that you add basic troubleshooting steps to the app to make sure it’s really an hardware issue. That would have saved my a support chat with Apple, having them run remote diagnostics on my phone, planning a support visit and me worrying all day about the potential costs of the repair if it wasn’t covered under warranty and the need to buy iCloud for a full backu . (Settings > Accessibility > Display & Text Size > Auto-Brightness must be turned on for this to work. No setting in the standard display settings will indicate that something is turned off). Also the compass test doesn’t work on my 15 pro max, yet the compass works absolutely fine in the default Compass appand during navigation.
Thanks for the feedback, I will attempt to make it clearer as to where you switch auto-brightness on when it fails the first time.
Look out for that in a future update :)
Also will look into the compass issue. Version 1.0 bugs.
@@HughJeffreys The compass is still not working on my phone after the update (15 pro max). The app has full permissions but it doesn’t even try to access location. The compass app (standard ios app) works fine and navigation works fine as well, but iTest keeps showing my compass as broken
This is why I stopped repairing phones because of Apple and every time you were repair a screen for someone you would have to tell them that the screen is going to have errors in certain things may not work, so you lose customers I was losing more than I was gainingso I had to close the doors. Thank you for your video.
You should have testified there.
Bro looks healthy and better than before. Take care of yourself 😊
Hi Hugh. I have a iphone se3 that I am having trouble with the screen. There is a section of the screen that is not responding. I thought i would try your app on it. It passed the test. i think your squares you are using in the app may be to big and registering a touch in the area where note pad clearly shows a 6 to 10 mm section right up the left side of the screen not responding.
Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I have some adjustments to make. :)
@@HughJeffreys I will try and email you a screen shot of the note pad
Finally, about time Apple did this.
I guess lying in court is a crime in most countries in the world? That Apple rep should be arrested
I got out of apple ages ago...I saw all of this coming and wanted no part of it. One of my best decisions. I'm all in with android now. I don't miss a thing. Get out while you can.
I don't know how anyone who aspires to a clear conscience can purchase Apple products. Good for you from extricating yourself from their greedy, non-environmentally friendly, clutching grasp.
Yeah same here, I am all Android including my tablet
What laptop do you use? Because those macbook airs are just too good.
@@Altropos I have a 2022 Zenbook 14x here
Don't know if you heard, but earlier this week EU parliament passed on right to repair directive, that ensures easier repair and more accessible parts for electronic devices, phones, tablets, everything.
who will repair them ? you or me can easy replace screen or back glass ? even i you damage phone with esd you dont know :/ and you blame them fake part ?
Why is it that when I search for the app it isn’t listed but if I use your link it then pops up?
It’s a monopoly of parts!
With Apple you always know there is a catch!
This is why I am now actually loving this for real, other than those exceptional parts, though it's better than before, though we know it's apple, what else can we do!
They need to allow the activation lock to send a sms/email to the previously registered owner and include a message field. That way a shop, or whoever can put a sim in and have the device send a request to the old owner to unlock it or have the current user use another device to unlock the idevice.
so ur saying that i cant reuse parts off a icloud locked phones?
what if the device is in uknown condition? do i really hae to a play a game of russian roulet, of wich being if the part is locked or not?
Good morning my iPhone 11 ultra wide camera just stop working all of a sudden and the 0.5 features is no longer there what do you think it’s the issue and also I’d love to update your site needs a lot of upgrade
Hello Everyone, From The UK👋
Man I used to be a repair technician before being a software engineer, I've seen all the apple BS from the iphone 5S touch-id replacement to the Face-Id and battery issues of the Iphone 11
Some Russians are running locked iPhones by bypass certain security features and custom ios. Some even have authentication servers themselves. Apple now cannot do anything to them
I am fairly certain that the ability to reuse genuine parts from another phone will only apply to the latest phone version and the ones that follow. I have big doubts that apple will apply this retroactively to older apple devices.
This is just about control. Honestly, encryption should be enough to protect owners. Any other piece of tech not from Apple doesn't have all these things and people are just fine with that.
How TF can they just go up there and blatantly lie without consequences!?
That's the Apple way... & older people in the US government not understanding technology, otherwise the guy would be called out for his bullshit
I love my iPhone 11.. I bought it cash money when it came out.. was like $900.
battery has said service for two years or so. The Apple Store near me has people robbing it weekly or customers leaving (California) so I can't really get the battery replaced. I wish there was a way the user could without having heating pads and tools and all that. It's a huge bummer. I'll end up having to buy a new phone soon cause of it and it still works fine =(
my grandma has an 11 bought in feb 2022. still works but she already destroyed the motherboard of an samsung galaxy a51 by not charging it properly and charging it when it is so hot.
Hey Hugh, you SHOULD send links to specific videos of yours like iPhone Max & iPhone Max Motherboard swap, or, Macbook parts swap etc etc, that SHOWS ALL PARTS NOT connected to the 'Touch ID' and 'Face Unlock' that are locked out/hampered just by swapping main board! These videos showing how EXACTLY the parts pairing system affects devices, and VITALLY showing lawmakers (like this one in Oregon) that what the Apple rep is saying (I guess under oath?) IS UTTER BULLSH!TE !
The way you do your videos shows that you don't try playing games, or hide anything, you show EXACTLY what is happening, so much so, I'm guessing these videos of yours could very well be used as DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST Apple's cloak and dagger behaviour that is costing millions of people out there, A LOT of money...
It's why I'm Android ALL THE WAY BABY! 👍😏
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I could genuinely see Apple barring or disabling some features of, say, third party batteries, cameras used for FaceID, and fingerprint sensors, as Hugh has noted many times. I wouldn't fully agree with it, but it would be legitimate at least. Virtually nothing else has a legitimate claim to safety or security though, and it's pure profiteering on their part.
The fact that he conveniently left out the screen functioning after replacement
Apple still being apple, but my question is. I have a 14 pro with a new motherboard, i still have the old one but the screen connector was kaput. So after ios 18 will i get all the features back?
Imagine swapping airbag from a surplus car to a useable car but its paired to the original car so you'l just crash and burn
Shops need to force people to sign out from their iphones before providing service or accepting tradeins. From what I can see it won't require a factory reset. What else can possibly go wrong?
I replace screen and battery since then it doesn’t update anymore
I like how everyone stopped adding chargers to new phones to reduce e-waste. Now, even Android phones can't be re-used if the previous owner has not signed out of their account. And no, factory reset through recovery mode still doesn't remove the account.
After working in the industry the past 4 years, i went from an Apple fan to an Apple hater. I will never buy another Apple product again. Consistent software lockdowns should be illegal. If it wasn't Apple genuine parts I would understand, but to consistently lock functions of the phone even if replaced with genuine Apple parts is ridiculous. They lied directly to the hearing committee by saying they only lock down functions of biometric parts. Battery and Screens are 2 of the easiest ones as an example. Also, with the release of the iPhone 12 they locked Portrait mode on the cameras. I do not understand how they can lie and destroy many 3rd party shops.
That man should be jailed for lying in the faces of the government, you can't just do that...
Apple parts all available from China 🇨🇳 very good copies 😊😊
It’s not just Apple. I just tried to fix a DualShock drift problem. Pain in the arse.
That’s a different issue. For apple devices, it’s literally impossible to change a part while on the ds, as long as you can solder jt(clearly you cant) then it can be done
So does that mean Apple is rigging this replacement screen with the activation locked?
I wish apple signs older iOS versions too
Hey hugh, I just realized only apple locks out their device parts, so why would we need an android version of your app?
So does this mean I will be able to replace my own battery on my phone by myself without an error message on my phone
There's always a catch with apple.
See I understand if it was in lost mode but if the device is just iCloud locked that’s crazy
You should change your video title to
Apple representative lies about part pairing in hearing
Maybe my iphone x face id will be fixed when this gets released🤷♂️
I can't wait for Apple to implement an always online parts requirement and for people to run out and defend It or their purchase of it, regardless of income level.
This is the most used thing in your pocket that you take everywhere. It's one of the last things I'd surrender any ownership or have any loyalty to a company over.