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  • My guide on completing the Fight Caves as a Mid-Level Ironman!
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    0:00 - Intro and weapon choices
    0:50 - Stats and gear recommendations
    1:50 - Gear upgrades
    2:52 - Inventory setup
    3:12 - Cave rotations/waves
    4:14 - God tier tips
    5:30 - Cave run through
    17:07 Jad time
    18:38 Outro part 1
    19:42 More cave rotation help
    21:43 Outro
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Komentáře • 358

  • @twiz5492
    @twiz5492 Před rokem +154

    Mad props for actually doing the cave with the minimum gear rather than these other ass holes that go in fully kitted.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +27

      Lmao thanks! I feel like more guides should show minimum or lower tier gear to prove its doable and provide examples to what an average players trips should look like instead of maximum efficiency. It makes it more understandable and shows that it is possible for those with less on their account, also allowing for more inspiration to actually do things like the fight caves. Before learning the fight caves and making this guide I thought blowpipe was a requirement, but over time I switched to the Karils crossbow and eventually to the msb(I), it’s just about perspective which I’m happy you acknowledged. Good luck on getting your cape and your future rs endeavors!

    • @twiz5492
      @twiz5492 Před rokem +9

      @@Karlsonsk Exactly. It also helps morale cause if you state in the guide that it CAN be done and then proceed to do it with BP and Armadyl and then the player watching the guides tries with the minimum gear and is struggling it discourages them. It may also cause the effect of the person watching to question the integratory of the video and methods presented.

    • @762Faneto
      @762Faneto Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk would you say karil's crossbow is better than a msb imbued with rune arrows for fight caves?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      @@762Faneto In terms of dps yes, but for cost and if you are an ironman cause of the grind not really. Your ava's does not save karils boltracks so you would need a very very large amount of them for the cave.

    • @762Faneto
      @762Faneto Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk thanks for the quick reply man but yeah I'm an iron, bolt racks aren't too expensive to just buy though. Id imagine I'd probably use around 1-2k bolt racks per run right?

  • @noahkirchner2443
    @noahkirchner2443 Před 2 lety +101

    This is probably the best recent guide. I'm not an ironman but it talks a lot more about tactics than a lot of other guides which seem more focused on inventory.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +16

      You got no idea how happy this comment makes me feel lmao, thanks a lot! I've also noticed in a lot of guides that there is a lack of actual help in the caves. Like you said most people focus on inventory and gear, but in reality you can do the fight caves with just about any gear at any level. You just need to know the mechanics and how the caves work, which is what I focused on for with this guide :D

    • @noahkirchner2443
      @noahkirchner2443 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Karlsonsk Yeah man I found it very useful. I'll keep tuned for more guides if you ever decide to make em !

  • @harrymar11
    @harrymar11 Před 2 lety +38

    Got my first Firecape thanks to you!! The wiki rotation, and the call out his attack helped a lot. You're the best!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +5

      Actually so happy to hear that! Congrats on getting your first fire cape and I'm glad I was able to help get it :D

  • @friedrichnordenhain5655
    @friedrichnordenhain5655 Před rokem +7

    I went through a few guides but this is by far the best one I stumbled upon. Making the inferno less intimidating rather than more so. Made my first firecape seem like a breeze, so nowadays I can hold my head up high on the slayer-tasks. Thanks boss!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      No problem man, happy I was able to help! Gratz on the cape as well 🙂

  • @mattevaans
    @mattevaans Před rokem +20

    Insanely good guide with a realistic setup. Following the rotations, standing in the right place at the start of rounds and dragging the enemies made the waves leading up until Jad so chill. Got my fire cape 2nd try, thanks a lot bro

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +3

      Hell yeah, happy I was able to help out and that you enjoyed the guide! The goal was to make this as ironman and low level friendly as possible and based on everyone feedback I seemed to have accomplished that 😄

  • @shedrankit
    @shedrankit Před rokem +4

    Easily the most thorough and complete guide out of the 4-5 I watched. Got my Cape this morning on my GIM! Will be recommending this guide to the rest of the group. Cheers!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Ayyy congrats on the cape and I'm happy I could help! Tell your GIM mates that I wish them the best of luck on their attempts 😎

  • @weems7906
    @weems7906 Před rokem +2

    ty so much! been playing rs my whole life and never tried to get the fire cape but, with your guide i got it on my first try! the rotation guide is extremely helpful, thank you!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      So happy to hear! Glad I could help and congrats on the cape!

  • @Reltap
    @Reltap Před 10 měsíci +2

    I was struggling so much, and after your advice about this rotation map and the shirt bow I did it first try without too much issue. Legitimately the best guide out there, and I’ve watched a few. Thank you so much for the info.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      You are very welcome and I am happy the guide helped you out! Congrats on the cape!

  • @Sam-ChesterFC
    @Sam-ChesterFC Před rokem +2

    This is a fantastic fight caves guide. Detailed and thorough! Cheers man

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Thanks for the kind words, happy to hear I was of service! 🙂

  • @jigurd
    @jigurd Před rokem +5

    Great guide. Huge props for actually doing the caves with the low-end setup instead of most guides where they rattle of this gear and then do it with a tbow in full armadyl, making any demo useless for people who need a guide.

  • @rickheartz
    @rickheartz Před 10 měsíci +3

    Big thanks! been procrastinating this challenge for so long until I saw this and managed to clear it just now on the first try only a couple of hours after watching the video

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Hell yeah, congrats! Happy the video helped and props on doing it on your first try!

  • @markdumas3875
    @markdumas3875 Před rokem +1

    What a great guide with wonderful, humanistic advice. Thank you! Definitely subbed for more.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Thank you, not only for the sub, but the kind words as well! I'm glad you found the guide helpful 😁

  • @Artheam
    @Artheam Před rokem +1

    Great guide, along with a few other guides it really helped me a lot and I got my first ever fire cape! :)

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Happy I could help and massive grats on the cape! First jad kill is always a big achievement and that cape feels so good to finally get 😄

  • @usainwult2414
    @usainwult2414 Před 2 lety +5

    I'm closing in on attempting fight caves on my UIM, and I have never done it before. This video has given me a lot of confidence, man. Short but informative, the best kind. Have a like and a sub, you've earned it big time!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you and good luck on your run! UIM prep for fight caves are always scary so I wish you good fortune in the caves, guarantee you'll get it first attempt :D

    • @usainwult2414
      @usainwult2414 Před 2 lety +4

      @@Karlsonsk Yooo, just wanted to say that I failed my first attempt and died when healers spawned during Jad (had I not panicked I'd be fine). I tried again today and the run was super smooth, so got myself my first ever fire cape! Thanks!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +2

      @@usainwult2414 Congrats!!! Getting your first firecape is a huge achievement! Happy you managed to get it done and happy I was able to help 😁

  • @solaireofastora3146
    @solaireofastora3146 Před rokem +3

    This is the best guide to fight caves I’ve ever seen. Subbed for more great vids!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Thank you! Happy you liked the guide 😁

  • @fabioreinehr1233
    @fabioreinehr1233 Před rokem +1

    i get my first fire cape today and your guide helped me a lot, congratulations for the excellent work!!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      First off, I should be the one congratulating you on the cape, and second, I'm happy I could help! Thanks for the kind words as well 😁

  • @mark12089
    @mark12089 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Trawled through a lot of guides and this one was by far the best, got my first ever cape, on an ironman too - great vid mate 👏

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 5 měsíci +1

      LFG!!! Congratulations on the cape my dude and I'm happy you found the guide helpful!

  • @caski4583
    @caski4583 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Why would you take the wrench? +1 per sip, you gain +68 from 17 in your inv. But if you meet your minimum +44 prayer, 1 pot restores 72, you lost 4 prayer by takeing the wrench instead of another p-pot. If you were 70 prayer (common stopping point due to bonecrusher/quest req) then you lost 28 prayer over the course of the fight.

  • @ACristianDude
    @ACristianDude Před 4 měsíci +1

    By far the best and most comprehensive fight cave guides out there. Big props for showing the safe spot tiles, where to stand, and how to lure the monsters.
    Fire cape was a huge goal of mine , as I was sick of running around with an ardy cape for all my combat training. Watched this vid a few times and got the cape 2nd jad attempt at 3 hp as I ran out of food. I used the blowpipe and got some lucky specs off while tanking 1 of the healers (I made them a line). Also forgot to pray steel skin and eagle eye until halfway through the Jad fight. But hey, I made it out in the end!
    One tip to others: on wave 62, put the orange guy at a safe spot, get up and take a bathroom break, wash your hands, take deep breaths and get ready. You’re most likely sitting for over an hour and a half so u need to stretch and get the blood flowing and calm down for Jad. Just make sure you don’t go too afk and log by accident ofc lol.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Appreciate the praise man! Happy you got the cape and it only took you 2 Jad attempts! I agree with taking a break before jad though, it definitely helps to move a bit and focus up a bit more without being rushed 🫡

  • @jagwirejon5054
    @jagwirejon5054 Před 2 lety +13

    Underrated for sure! I love when people keep it simple. For some reason the sweaty tick perfect guides always dissuade me from trying new challenges.
    Dont get me wrong those guides are valuable as well, but I really appreciate the simple method to at least go in and attempt. Then refine later.
    Thanks for making this video!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Your welcome and thank you for the feedback! It means a lot knowing I was able to help 😁

  • @Kreb2
    @Kreb2 Před rokem +1

    Perfect guide mate :) Got my cape first try on my iron off task!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Hell yeah man, congrats and make use of that cape!

  • @ghost420xo
    @ghost420xo Před rokem +1

    how do u only have 400 subs??? thats crazy!!!!!! cant wait to see u blow! thanks for the video very informative and helpful yet direct to the point. Love it

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for the kind words and I'm happy I could help! I just gotta keep making content and growing 😁

  • @froggo7529
    @froggo7529 Před rokem +1

    Oh my god, just got my first ever fire cape in years of playing this game. ty for awesome guide, made it so easy. 🥰🥰

  • @LordofGold
    @LordofGold Před rokem +2

    UIM in combat 65s here - I searched for a Fight caves guide after dying on my first try... for some reason I skipped the first two recommended videos and was attracted by the title of yours. Well - destiny, I would say, as you managed to help me getting my firecape first try with this method! (And I also followed your instructions by successfully tanking 1 Jad hit :P)
    Thank you very much for this awesome guide! I will recommend it to anyone who struggles with getting to Jad!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Congratulations on the cape!!! The fact you did the fight caves with 65 cmbs on a UIM is crazy, especially considering the fact you tanked a Jad hit and it was your first try. I'm happy I was able to help you achieve this and thank you for the kind words 😎

  • @ericsecula4345
    @ericsecula4345 Před 2 lety +2

    This guide is great! Thank you man

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Ayyy, happy to hear my guide was able to help you out! Goodluck with the fight caves, and early congrats on your firecape :D

  • @Gthe123
    @Gthe123 Před rokem +1

    The MSB and rotation tips were game changing..
    Tried once blind on my IM with rcb and fucked up at wave 47 since I didn't know the rotation and got 2 shot by the mage's melee.
    Tried a second time with MSB and the rotations page open, one shot everything including Jad. It really did make it feel more like a puzzle and it was actually a lot of fun.
    Great guide man, recommended to a friend!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Congrats on the cape and I'm happy I could help! I always felt like the rcb was overrated for the caves and you would run out of supplies as you got closer to Jad. After 2 or 3 tries of the caves I started to take new apporaches and the msb, looking at the caves like a puzzle (like you explained), and looking at rotations made it so much more fun/easy for me. I'm happy the guide is having the same effect on other people! Good luck with your future challenges 😁

  • @carnagemunky2784
    @carnagemunky2784 Před 10 měsíci +2

    This is by far the best video. Tried 3x with other guides, was having a hard time, this one made it stupid simple and i love it! even talking about logging out, that way i know i can take a pee break! thanks dude!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you for the kind words and I'm happy you found the guide helpful! I wanted to include as many tips as possible when making this guide, especially the ones that I wish I had known when I did the caves on my ironman. Logging out was not one of those things I knew myself lmao. Was in the cave for like 3 hours my first run without any breaks just to end up dying 😂

    • @carnagemunky2784
      @carnagemunky2784 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Karlsonsk thats the worst! lol I still cant finish jad, i get scared, but I'm gonna keep using your methods :) thanks again man!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      @@carnagemunky2784 good luck, you 100% got this. Took me 3 jad attempts before I got him, you’ll have the cape in no time 👍

  • @jesselomeli5126
    @jesselomeli5126 Před rokem +1

    great guide, the wave rotations is a great help!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Thank you and I'm I happy I could help!

  • @AlbinoBanana2
    @AlbinoBanana2 Před rokem +1

    Thanks bro, this guide was huge for me. Ran my first two attempts this morning - bailed on the first one at 55 and managed to kill Jad on the second run. I'm absolutely buzzin

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Let’s go man, second attempt cape is really good! Happy the guide could help and now you gotta make use of that cape! Good luck on your future grinds 😁

  • @Bush_Baby
    @Bush_Baby Před rokem +1

    Great video! I've played rs on and off for 16 years and never got my fcape. Tried a few times over the years and always failed. Followed your guide and got to Jad first try and then got my cape on my 3rd attempt!! Died first 2 times because I was panicking lol. The 3rd time I focused ONLY on jad prayers and pulled it off with 8 hp tanking healers, focusing only on the prayers definitely helped. By the end of my third run I felt like a pro handling the waves because I followed your vid every time through. Thanks for the cape on my hcim :) Feels so good!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Massive congrats man! It took me 11 years myself to get firecape so I definitely feel you! Happy I was able to help and I’m glad to see that you managed to complete the caves with confidence 😎

  • @iwatchyouson
    @iwatchyouson Před 3 měsíci +1

    Best guide to date! First time doing Fight Caves, made it to Jad and got him to 60hp....and of course messed up on a prayer switch. Your guide can't get any better!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you and best of luck on your next attempt! Getting jad to 60hp first time doing fight caves is insane, you definitely got it next try!

  • @BigNipsOnIce
    @BigNipsOnIce Před rokem +3

    Dude you have a knack for making guides. I feel like theres not enough ironman guides! thanks a lot

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      No problem and thank you for the kind words! I got more pvm/other guides in mind that I will definitely be making after getting all this support! That being said, it may be a few weeks before I get one out 😁

    • @BigNipsOnIce
      @BigNipsOnIce Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk I'm looking forward to it my man! You earned a subscriber

  • @RedSparr0w
    @RedSparr0w Před rokem +1

    Thanks for the guide, definitely helped!
    Screwed it up on my first attempt, missed 1 of the Jad prayer changes 😩
    But got it second try 🎉

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      If you made it to jad first attempt you got it this next time for sure! Good luck and get that cape 😩😎

  • @thehandicat6959
    @thehandicat6959 Před rokem +1

    THANK YOU SO MUCH! I got my first fire cape thanks to this video!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      LFG!!!! Congrats on the cape and don’t thank me, I just guided you a little bit. You’re the one who did the cave and took down Jad yourself for the cape 😎

  • @LuisRodriguez-sy5rs
    @LuisRodriguez-sy5rs Před 10 měsíci +5

    For inventory tips, it should be said that ranging potions can be commonly looted from the Grubby chest. The keys are not as rare as other ones similar to it and all the supplies from it are VERY useful for Ironmen~!

  • @NajeeMalikTaylor
    @NajeeMalikTaylor Před rokem +1

    I cannot thank you enough! I got my first firecape first try! Iron btw ;). Thanks to you my childhood dream came true lol. I only watched your video and looked up a Jad practice to get the prayer flicks down. I'm 83 def and 93 range and used your exact set up without a task/slay helm (yes, MSB w rune arrows) but included blood spells in a rune pouch (worthless, don't use) and was left with 5 mantas and over half the pray pots.
    To anyone who thinks they can't do it or doesn't want to put the time in. Watch this video fully once, then take some time and eventually you'll have a spur of the moment and want to do it (like me). I watched the video again as I did the waves and waited until he called out the wave he was on and would stop and continue watching. Like Karl said, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE WAVE ROTATIONS.
    P.S.: it's not mentioned in the video, but when Jad is at 150 HP, it spawns 4 healers. Attack each of them to gain agro and to prevent healing, but attack 1 healer at a time after jad hits you so you can adjust your prayers accordingly. + don't get dragged into melee. Good luck!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      So happy I was able to help and congrats on getting your first cape 🎉!The tips you’ve provided are extremely important to take into account and hopefully see this comment for the input. Again happy I was able to help and am very glad you enjoyed the guide. Now make use of that cape and show it off 😎

  • @FeelsBadMatt
    @FeelsBadMatt Před rokem +1

    Just getting back in RS and thought this would be a great challenge - Added to my favourites, I'll definitely be using this guide! As others have said, most other guides just break down what to bring and not where to stand... Us noobs need help 🙂

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Welcome back to the game and I wish you the best of luck on the caves! It definitely is a little bit of a challenge if you are coming back, but it shouldn't be anything to really overthink, you got this 😀

  • @zachkh
    @zachkh Před 10 měsíci +2

    Nice detail that logging out places you in the center of the cave. That can lead to some 54 melee hits from the magers in later waves.
    Rcb is available from Deranged Archeologist. They drop runite limbs. 69 fletch on an iron is worse than risking a hardcore though.

  • @tom759345
    @tom759345 Před rokem +2

    A tip I have to give after trying the fight caves for the first time just a few days ago. When you go in for the first time, just go in and see what happends. With the info in the guide, you'll feel more confident your second time when you know more what you're agains. I lost on my first try on wave 53, but I was only trying. Got to Jad the second time, but clicked the wrong prayer. third time, I paniced with Jads Healers, and fourth time, I thought it was a ranged attack when it was a magic attack, and I got a lag spike, so I was unable to change back in time.

  • @Jaycob47
    @Jaycob47 Před rokem +1

    Bro after 5 attempts I watched this and I finally got my cape, thank you so much for the help dude great vid

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Happy I could help man, congrats on your new cape! Next up is the inferno lmao

  • @tanzanitem1946
    @tanzanitem1946 Před rokem +2

    I used proselyte legs and helm with d‘hide body and a rune c bow with an unfinished god book on my lvl 79 HC, a tip i brought blood burst to heal up inbetween on the 180‘s and minions and left 4 food for the end saves alot of food. Hope this helps! 👍

  • @Rishdogg34
    @Rishdogg34 Před 2 lety +1

    great guide! subbed

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Big dubs, gl on your cape 😁

  • @cecchinopio9713
    @cecchinopio9713 Před rokem +1

    Your guide was great! Thanks for killing Jad in normal/mid-level tier gear, too. It gave me the confidence to make it through. Got my fire cape and I'm now ready to take on anything! I tanked a couple of hits from Jad when the healers came, but kept my composure as you said to do, used the safe spots to my advantage and survived my first run.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      LFG congrats on the cape!!! Its actually good you tanked a few hits from Jad as I'm pretty sure that a combat achievement task lol. Other than that, I'm happy you enjoyed and found the guide helpful and I wish you luck on your future ventures with your new cape 😎

    • @cecchinopio9713
      @cecchinopio9713 Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk Good point. I did see the achievement drop for that! Dropped a sub, btw. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@cecchinopio9713 Thank you, I'm looking forward to making more video!

  • @thejackman3518
    @thejackman3518 Před rokem +1

    My favorite guide so far! I wasn't able to get this cape 10+ years ago but I'm working on getting this with my lvl 59 pure on osrs mobile. Got to wave 40 on my first attempt so it's just trial and error all the way to Jad!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Hell yeah! I haven’t tried it with a pure yet but I bet it’s a pretty good challenge. You got this, especially if you could get to wave 40 off the rip! Gl with the caves and I hope you get that cape soon 😁

    • @thejackman3518
      @thejackman3518 Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk yup! I'll circle back to this thread when I beat it eventually!🙏🏽

    • @thejackman3518
      @thejackman3518 Před rokem

      @@Karlsonsk finally can circle back on this thread - i got the cape on my lvl 59 pure on osrs mobile!🕺🏽🙌🏽 Took a few hours because I was constantly logging to look at the rotation map, trying to think through how to lure the enemies. The hardest wave for me was 59 and surprisingly Jad was not that bad because I got the NW spawn. I guess an additional tip that helped me was to run to the NE safe spot to take a breather to calm my nerves, while keeping an eye on Jad to make sure I make the correct prayer switch. I appreciate you for this guide man, one thing I can cross off of my childhood list🤘🏽

  • @elchefmaestro4104
    @elchefmaestro4104 Před rokem +1

    hahaha you killed me with the spongebob at the soundtrack XD, i feel better now to continue fight cave. ty sir

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Lmao happy to know someone else enjoyed that too! Good luck with the caves and get that cape 😎

    • @elchefmaestro4104
      @elchefmaestro4104 Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk I got it!!! Finally! Thank you dude, you said something that a lot of osrs ytubers dont remind us, to use steel skin. I tank'd those mf healers

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@elchefmaestro4104 LETS FUCKIN GO!!! Congrats man and enjoy that cape 😎

  • @mengineer9924
    @mengineer9924 Před 6 měsíci +1

    ty thanks to ur guide got it 2nd try ever ... 1st try i planked while grapping healers ... used the plugin for rotations as well (fight caves helper)

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Congrats on the cape! Happy the guide could help you out and those plugins are definitely essential!

  • @Karyzn
    @Karyzn Před rokem +1

    This guide helped me a ton, was way more comfortable this time. I haven't tried fight caves since I was like 14 lol ended up dying when I was trying to lure the last healer stuck behind jad and didn't switch prayer fast enough but feel a lot more confident for the next try haha

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Ayy, happy to hear that! I wish you the best of luck with your next kill attempt, you got this 😁

    • @evirs
      @evirs Před rokem +1

      Same exact thing just happened to me... my Jad spawn was in the middle so I had tunnel vision and didn't think to line up the healers. All four of them on me at the same time, had to brew and missed my prayer. GG

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@evirs gotta be one of the saddest things ever, that’s what caused my second death to jad as well lmao

    • @Karyzn
      @Karyzn Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk guess what? Got my second jad slayer task and gave it another shot BOOM fire cape... 😜 Thanks for the help!!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@Karyzn let’s fucking go, that’s awesome! Jad tasks are actually such good slayer xp so this is great for the slayer gains, also the potential pet drop 👀

  • @Kxdyyy
    @Kxdyyy Před rokem +1

    I usually don’t comment on videos, but this guide was amazing. Made it all the way to Jad and died cause I double clicked Range Pray and got maxed, definitely my fault… BUT I still had 6 prayer pots and 2 range pot doses left. The website you linked is great, and definitely a must use. Gonna try again tomorrow, but thanks for the guide my man! Super straight forward without all the bs expensive gear.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Happy I could help and you definitely got the cape on your next attempt. It took me 3 attempts before I even made it to Jad so you’re already off to a better start! You got this and good luck 😁

    • @Kxdyyy
      @Kxdyyy Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk Thanks again bro! Didn’t even want to attempt it with the other videos I saw. Definitely do-able in budget gear!

  • @AtypicalAdventurer
    @AtypicalAdventurer Před rokem +17

    One tip that I don't see recommended anywhere on the youtube guides, that is massively beneficial against Jad: DEFAULT pray against range, and switch to mage as needed. His mage attack is way, way, way easier to pray against, has a longer windup time, and plays a sound effect the second it starts casting (the sound effect is the same as the Retribution prayer effect when it triggers).
    His range attack has far less audial warning, goes out a lot faster, and also causes him to raise his arms in the air, which can be confused for the mage attack. If you default pray to range then switch whenever you hear the mage attack being cast, you'll save yourself a lot of pain and wasted time.

  • @robertpereira4395
    @robertpereira4395 Před rokem +5

    You also don’t need to go into the wilderness for a rune crossbow. You can fletch one with a fletching boost @64 fletching - just get a rune limb from any metal dragon that drops one. Pretty fast and easy way to get a rcb

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      This is true, but if you aren’t a hardcore I’d recommend the crazy arch cause of antifires. Getting the herblore level for them can take a little while. Either way, good shout 😁

  • @1thenobleone
    @1thenobleone Před 2 lety +1

    thanks for the great guide! I just killed Jad and your video was a huge help!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Congrats!!! Happy I was able to help :D

  • @GGOL
    @GGOL Před 11 měsíci +2

    This is the guy that does food reviews and lives in Japan, change my mind.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I wish, Japan is a country I want to visit soooooo badly 🥲

  • @poeskey
    @poeskey Před 4 měsíci +1

    I would also say take ancient spellbook and use one of the blood spells for healing if you are trying to save on food early. All you need is rune pouch, and ancient staff. maybe a god book as well.

  • @zeeroslo
    @zeeroslo Před rokem +1

    another good tip is to use runelite's npc indicators plugin, to better see the healers in jad phase

  • @Redhawk2595
    @Redhawk2595 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Hey man awesome video thanks for the upload! Will be helpful when trying my first fire cape soon. Quick question.. how do you get the ground/floor of the fight caves orange instead of the default red? It's much easier on the eyes when its orange, like you have in the video.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you and good luck on the fire cape when you get around to the caves! By the way I’m using the runelite 117 HD plug-in for the orange ground!

  • @lom7923
    @lom7923 Před rokem +1

    this is the best guide on youtube, hands down. not even close

  • @j.t.molina7223
    @j.t.molina7223 Před 2 lety +3

    Awesome video!! Is the slayer helm if you're on task? The archers helm gives 5 more defence for one less range attack power, wouldn't that be better?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Yes only use the slayer helm if you are on task. The archer's helm and helm of neitiznot are both better options if you do not have a Jad task :)
      Good luck on your attempts and get you'll that cape soon 👍

  • @codym.5792
    @codym.5792 Před rokem +1

    Fire guide bro. If you made other guides just like this on other bosses and quests/bosses

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      That is the plan, got a few other ideas in mind for Ironman content! Just gotta find the time 😁

  • @zackroller5936
    @zackroller5936 Před rokem +1

    I think this may be the first guide that's actually going to make me complete fight caves for my first time ever. I've tried it on normie accounts, and iron Man accounts, but never completed it. Time to finally achieve the fire cape on my iron Man!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      You got this man! I tried many times on 2 seperate accounts to get my firecape and after meeting Jad 3 different times I finally got it. Just keep on trying and I guarantee you can get it as well; cause if I can get it, you sure as hell can too! 😁

  • @RubenTheCartographer
    @RubenTheCartographer Před rokem +1

    Great video!

  • @Innanetchef
    @Innanetchef Před 3 měsíci +1

    Dont forget to turn on sounds!! Those really helped me too

  • @MrJoosebawkz
    @MrJoosebawkz Před 6 měsíci +1

    if u ever make another guide on this a few years down the line i'd recommend showing clips of you kiting the enemies into a safe spot instead of cutting through those to show u attacking. it's way more useful to see how you use the rocks to safespot then to see what u do once you've already done that. so far every guide i've seen just says you can safe spot at certain locations and leaves it at that.
    tbh though I'm grateful you included a full run in the description im not hating or anything.

  • @TheAxhol
    @TheAxhol Před 11 měsíci +1

    Another tip is to bring blood spells in a rune pouch with an ancient staff. I didn't use any food during all the waves thanks to this

  • @Lesser-Flame
    @Lesser-Flame Před 2 lety +7

    the crystal bow is highly underrated acurate and strong.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      Definitely a good option if you got some spare money, I just don't use it cause of the charge cost.

  • @42gp
    @42gp Před rokem +1

    just to chuck this out there you could swap some of those karams for baskets of strawbs. my first firecape on the iron was with p pots, sharks and strawbs.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      True, if you got access to strawberries and have high enough highpoints, they actually are better than sharks. They heal 1-6 depending on your hp level, with 67+ healing 5 hp per strawberry and 84+ healing 6. Meaning you can get 25-30 hp from one basket.

  • @anybodysouthern9213
    @anybodysouthern9213 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Every 3 years i give it another shot, failed again, but the guide was very good!

  • @cosmicintervention9869
    @cosmicintervention9869 Před rokem +1

    video is 22:22 it’s a sign from the universe or my higher self lol 😂 love it thanks for the video my dude 🙏

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Lmao I didn't even realize that! I'm happy you found the video useful and I would just like to add your name definitely adds to the situation as well... simply can't be a coincidence.

  • @gastr0phetes
    @gastr0phetes Před rokem +1

    if you want range pots and you can't make them yet, you can go farm some grubby keys to hit the chest, can get ranging pots from there. Can also get some super restores and brews also.

  • @AnneFrankExplosion
    @AnneFrankExplosion Před rokem +1

    good guide. ironman centric guides

  • @Mealrage
    @Mealrage Před 5 měsíci +1

    You're the goat tyvm

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 5 měsíci +1

      No, thank you for the kind words and I'm happy I could help!

  • @erinlear8423
    @erinlear8423 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I know this guide was meant for irons but i credit this guide for getting me my cape on my 1def pure, learning how to use the rotation map was game changing

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      Happy the guide could help! The guide is targeted towards ironmen but meant for all accounts! Same rules apply to running the cave, just wanted to use easy to obtain gear to show it can be done on irons 😁

  • @itsmesimen
    @itsmesimen Před 10 měsíci +1

    I am currently point boosting to get broad bolts to go to the jad cave. My plan was to use full void + rune CB with broad bolts. Should i rather use full void + MSBI + rune arrows instead?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      I personally prefer and recommend the MSBI with rune arrows, but if you want the additional few tiles of range and want to take a little more time with your cave attempt, the RCB with adamant bolts or broad bolts will work just fine too!

  • @TripnotizeVM
    @TripnotizeVM Před 11 měsíci +1

    finally, a guide that doesnt use sara brews. I was dreading the thought of grinding long and hard for sara brews that'll last 1 fight

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 11 měsíci

      I have the herblore level to make Sara brews now and I won’t even bring myself to use them at godwars dungeon 💀. Definitely cannot blame you for that one lol. Additionally, Sara brews are no where near needed in the fight caves, don’t worry about them unless you are a pure 👍

    • @TripnotizeVM
      @TripnotizeVM Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Karlsonsk Cheers, I finished the fight caves with 10 pray pots remaining, I got hit by jad by a 78 though so I was chanced. Before I watched your video I was grinding grubby keys for brews

  • @gsinclair6671
    @gsinclair6671 Před rokem +1

    I just go to Jad for the first time, it took me three hours in game, four hours total with the pausing between some rounds to stretch.
    I was SHAKING going in. Got to the healer, tagged them all and got them in a line on me and then managed to get jad down to 14 hp when my nerves and excitement got the best of me and I slipped the mouse the smallest bit and missed a prayer... K.O.
    Was devastated. Finding the motivation to go again is going to be so hard!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      This is easily one of the saddest moments in human history 😢. That being said, I’d you made it that far on your first jad attempt, you definitely got the kill bagged your second time around! Good luck on your next attempt and get that cape 😁

  • @TheJediBendu
    @TheJediBendu Před rokem +1

    Why do you recommend black mask/slayer helm? If you're not on task you don't get the boost right?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      No you do not, I was actually on a task while making this video so that is why I wore it. A god d'hide coif, helm of neitiznot, or a mitre are all better options, however the slayer helm does have decent defensive stats if you don't have these other pieces of equipment. Sorry about the confusion, it is only best in slot if you are on task 🙂

  • @matthewsatthewsssss4115
    @matthewsatthewsssss4115 Před rokem +1

    Got to Jad after 2 hours and i fucking panicked when i saw the healers. Great guide though i will try tomorrow!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Oh man that’s the worst, that being said the same thing happened to me and my very next attempt I got the kill. You got this!

  • @chipchipper155
    @chipchipper155 Před rokem +1

    If I can't manage to get a slayer task, should I use a bandos coif instead of slayer helm (i)? managed to get one from clues. Also have full void ranger if that would be better.
    Edit: no need to answer I scrolled a bit further in the comments and found everything I needed! wish me luck

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Good luck on the attempt, you got this 100%!

  • @BouchyBoy
    @BouchyBoy Před rokem +1

    Question: So, I have Helm of Neitiznot (can buy an Archer's helm if needed) and Black d'hide body + Ancient chaps, and barrows gloves. I also have Void Ranger gear. No Slayer helmet or Black mask, and I don't really wanna tackle that grind at the moment. Should I go for the first set, or for the Void?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      I would use the helm of neitiznot, black d'hide body, ancient chaps, barrows gloves, snakeskin/shayzien 5 boots. Void is great if you are 92+ range, but before then d'hide is the move 🙂

    • @BouchyBoy
      @BouchyBoy Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk Sounds good! Thank you!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@BouchyBoy No problem and gl on the caves, get that cape!

  • @dfbsdfbsdfbsbfbds1745
    @dfbsdfbsdfbsbfbds1745 Před 2 lety +3

    noob questions but do you have to be on a jad task for the slayer helmet to work?

    • @Slim9867
      @Slim9867 Před 2 lety +3

      yes you have to be on a task to work

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +2

      Yes you do, but if you don’t have the helm of neitiznot, archers helm, or a god d’hide coif the slayer helm is still pretty good defensively!

  • @brandonmcgillis
    @brandonmcgillis Před rokem +1

    Just wondering , how is slayer helm (I) worth it over god coif ? I never thought of bringing mine

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      It’s only better if you are on a slayer task, otherwise just about any range helm is better than the slayer helm, especially a god d’hide coif 😁

  • @K0ester
    @K0ester Před rokem +1

    Im lvl 116, 90/99/90 , 85 ranged, 71 pray. So scared to do this still. I just gotta do it, I think this video is going to help me most, gonna give it a try when I have time.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      You got this for sure, as long as you manage the waves and use the rotations you could do this in your sleep! Goodluck and get that cape, I know you will 😁

  • @Yippaah
    @Yippaah Před rokem +1

    How many rune arrows should I bring if I have 70 ranged and planning to go with MSB(i)? I'm not the best at LMS and don't wanna dare going bare minimum

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      I’d say 900 if plenty, but if you want to be safe I’d go for like 1200 👍

  • @eduardodasilva6052
    @eduardodasilva6052 Před rokem +1

    Will the black mask take effect even if you dont have a slayer task or do I have to get it as a task first?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Only has the effect on task. You don’t need a task to do the caves, but it helps a lot with accuracy and damage. If you can’t get a task just swap the black mask out for the best range helmet you got or the neitznot 👍

  • @t3hPoundcake
    @t3hPoundcake Před rokem +1

    I thought Slayer helm (i) was only bis on task? Or is that only for the regular unimbued ?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      It is only BIS if on task, I just put it at the top of the list because it’s most ideal. If you are not on a slayer task your best helmet option is your best range helm, helm of neitiznot, or a mitre 😁

  • @willbofraggins3683
    @willbofraggins3683 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Is it recommended to bring runes for blood blitz/ blood burst for heals if we have ancients? or is that just a waste of time and runes

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci +1

      If it gives you more confidence in the cave to use blood spells then sure! Blood spells are not required by any means to complete the cave, and if you know you are a little slower with switching prayer or are prone to messing up a little, the backup of having blood spells is very nice. You will just have to make sure your magic bonuses are not too low or to bring a mini magic switch to use them. It can be a waste of runes, but if it gets you the cape it is worth it in my book!

    • @willbofraggins3683
      @willbofraggins3683 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Karlsonsk Awesome, thanks for all the tips and taking the time to put together this guide! Watching this has definitely made fight caves seem less intimidating 😎

  • @imCOOL635
    @imCOOL635 Před 10 měsíci +1

    A little confused. Are we supposed to be on task if we wear the slayer helm?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      Yes, only wear slayer helm on task otherwise wear your best ranged item for your head slot!

  • @mikescholder3772
    @mikescholder3772 Před rokem +1

    Do you think I could still take him on using broad bolts, full void ?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Yes easily, would just be a little slower of a cave cause the crossbow attack speed 😁

  • @chasegittins3692
    @chasegittins3692 Před 2 měsíci +1

    mage boy just meleed me and put me in the dirt near the very end lol, woulda been nice to know they could even melee 0.o

  • @vahn_legaia
    @vahn_legaia Před 10 měsíci +1

    Can blood spells help out during the caves to preserve food?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 10 měsíci

      Sure can, but it might be a little expensive!

  • @nathanl5070
    @nathanl5070 Před 2 lety +2

    Is the slayer helmet only good for this when you're on a jad slayer task or is it still best no matter what

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +1

      Only good during a slayer task. The helmet itself has decent defense, but overall I would opt it out for a god d'hide coif or helm of neitiznot. GL on your cape!

    • @nathanl5070
      @nathanl5070 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Karlsonsk thank you

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +1

      @@nathanl5070 No problem 👍

    • @nathanl5070
      @nathanl5070 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Karlsonsk lets gooo I just killed him, 4th attempt. Thanks again for the help

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety +1

      @@nathanl5070 LFG!!! Big Gratz, so happy I could help! Next up is the inferno lmao

  • @andrewacosta9380
    @andrewacosta9380 Před rokem +1

    Only difference I did was have blood burst for heals. I had only brought 5 sharks but messed up a lot.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Blood spells are crazy good in the fight caves, they just are a little expensive and have a decent amount of requirements to use. Most ironmen won't have them for their first cape, but if they do I 100% recommend it! Good tip 😁

  • @jorgenamnum6481
    @jorgenamnum6481 Před 2 měsíci

    brother if i could make the magic sb through fletching i could make the rune crossbow first

  • @JoshPaulie
    @JoshPaulie Před 2 lety +1

    Is slayer helm best in slot, even off task?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 2 lety

      No, however it is still really good defensively! If you are not on task you should run a god d'hide coif, Archer helm, helm of neitiznot, or a mitre. Off task the slayer helm is your last choice :)

  • @kylethedalek
    @kylethedalek Před 4 měsíci

    Got 90 range, and keep getting to Jad get him half way and just can’t click the healers right mis click and mis prayers.
    And die.
    On moblie too, should I try chin champs?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 4 měsíci

      As annoying as it would be you could try to let the healers get to jad before trying to click them which would heal him a little bit, but they would be completely still and easier to click. Jad would get a bit of health back, but with 90 range you should be good to take him down quick afterwards!

  • @bebetita2008
    @bebetita2008 Před rokem +1

    I am very happy for the others, but I need help with the jad. I couldn't figure out the mechanics of the boss and when he hits me the first time I panicked and ended up dying. I wish you could do this task for me. i'm really frustrated

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      It took me 4 attempts to finally kill Jad for my first time. It is mainly the nerves that get to you, it really helps to watch a few jad fights on youtube before going into your own, or even using an online simulator if they still exist.

  • @wearblackclothes
    @wearblackclothes Před 9 měsíci +1

    Oh you were right knowing the rotation made it so easy. I had all8 food and 7 prayer pots left when jad 1 shot me 😂😢😭🤣

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před 9 měsíci

      Lmao, I am so sorry to hear that 😭

  • @synysterdawn8913
    @synysterdawn8913 Před rokem +2

    I'm assuming you'd want to have a Black Mask or Slayer Helm imbued for running the Caves on task, but you never mentioned being on task so I'm curious if there's any other reason why you'd want to run those other options like the Helm of Neitznot?
    Never mind, first thing you say in the video of you doing the full run is that you're on task.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      All good, I got the question plenty of times! I definitely made that a little confusing, but good thing you got it figured out. Good luck in the caves and I hope you get the cape!

    • @synysterdawn8913
      @synysterdawn8913 Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk I did, in fact, get my Fire Cape, and even on the first try. Using the rotation guide really is a huge help. Thanks for the videos.

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@synysterdawn8913 No problem and congrats on the cape, happy my tips could help!

  • @FlavorGucci
    @FlavorGucci Před rokem +1

    Should i be using the slayer helm (i) even if not on a task or should i use my zamorak coif?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      Zamorak coif 100%, only use the slayer helm (i) if you got a task :)

    • @FlavorGucci
      @FlavorGucci Před rokem +1

      @Karlsonsk thank you for the quick response! Loved the video might be trying for the first time tonight on the iron!

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      @@FlavorGucci hell yeah, I wish you the best of luck! Just don’t overthink it and it shouldn’t be too bad, you got this 🫡

    • @FlavorGucci
      @FlavorGucci Před rokem +1

      @Karlsonsk died wave 54 because I accidentally got in melee range of the mage and two hit me lol

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      @@FlavorGucci damnn, that being said wave 54 is great. You made it a good distance in and for a first run on the iron that’s progress. Just be persistent and you’ll have this down in no time 😎

  • @lordcommissar7813
    @lordcommissar7813 Před rokem +1

    Can I do it using full karil and ammy of damned or is that bad idea?
    Note: account is ironman

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem

      Don't know why this comment never showed up in my notifcations, but yes you can. Only downside to this is the bolt racks as they have a 100% consumption rate even with an Ava's device. So if you have the money/bolt racks to do this it wouldn't be a bad method 😄

  • @nemziii200
    @nemziii200 Před rokem +1

    So correct me if I'm wrong I do not need anicent mage for heals ? I can heal of the bow spec?

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      You will need ancients to heal if you have a magic shortbow imbued, the only special attacks that heal you are from the toxic blowpipe and Saradomin godsword.

    • @nemziii200
      @nemziii200 Před rokem +1

      @@Karlsonsk thx bud noted and subbed

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      @@nemziii200 Thank you and happy I could help!

    • @nemziii200
      @nemziii200 Před rokem

      ​@@Karlsonsk bro any specific rotation you prefer to do this

    • @Karlsonsk
      @Karlsonsk  Před rokem +1

      @@nemziii200 not necessarily as getting a specific rotation might take a while to do. Main thing is just figuring out what rotation you have when you get in, and then map out your best options each wave based on that.