Is There A More Dominion Ship? Battle Cruiser Lore

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  • @hfar_in_the_sky
    @hfar_in_the_sky Před měsícem +37

    My personal headcanon for why Dominion Battle Cruisers and Battleships looks less like an insect when compared to the Jem'hadar fighter is because the Jem'hadar fighter was the Dominion navy's primary tool for "keeping the peace" in their empire. Thus the Jem'hadar fighter was built just as much to intimidate as it was to be efficient, and the insect like appearance was meant to evoke the same fear and dread as seeing an unstoppable swarm of killer insects. It's conveys a sense of "You cannot stop us, for we are infinite and relentless. Rebel against us and we will lay waste to all you hold dear" to the Dominion's subject worlds. A visual design that helps furthers the Dominion's policy of "Order through fear."
    The battle cruiser and the battleship meanwhile is for when the Dominion is facing an enemy that needs more serious muscle. And thus the Dominion springs for simple and brutal efficiency rather aesthetic meant to intimidate. The Jem'hedar fighter still provides the needed intimidation factor, of course. But the BS and BC are for when the Dominion is ready to take off their kid gloves and get serious. Thus why when compared to the Jem'hadar fighter they have a slightly more utilitarian design. These are not Dominion "peacekeeping" ships. These are purely warships by design.
    Again though, that's just my personal headcanon.

    • @bull614
      @bull614 Před měsícem +4

      Hey, it may be your head cannon, but it is well thought out and logical. It works for me, so if you dont mind, im gonna take your input and run with it, lol

    • @hfar_in_the_sky
      @hfar_in_the_sky Před měsícem +1

      @@bull614 lol! Go for it! 👍

    • @bull614
      @bull614 Před měsícem +2

      @@hfar_in_the_sky thanks. Your reasoning will play really nice in my Star Trek RPG my and my friends are currently running. I'm not the greatest GM, and you just helped a lot, lol

    • @alexion2001
      @alexion2001 Před 25 dny +2

      I completely agree, once you encounter a species advanced or large enough that "many scary ships with fancy tech" no longer works as an intimidation tactic of 'gunboat diplomacy' there is no need to pretend anymore, and simple intimidation of "fuck that's a big heavily armed battlecruiser" is enough dread to any advanced species.

  • @tomxaros48
    @tomxaros48 Před měsícem +25

    I find that ship SO GRACEFUL and Beautiful!

  • @casual_polaroid
    @casual_polaroid Před měsícem +29

    I have been very impressed by this warship since it first appeared! In fact, it's my absolute favorite ship in the Star Trek franchise. In DS9 you didn't even see it drifting or in a defeated state.

    • @MROJPC
      @MROJPC Před měsícem +10

      That is true. You do tend to not see these getting destroyed as much as the Fighters and the Cardassian ships. I figured the Dominion was using the tried-and-true method of using the Cardassians as frontline cannon fodder.

  • @markvaughan653
    @markvaughan653 Před měsícem +20

    I really appreciate you doing these videos on various Star Trek ships. it's tough to find to find alpha cannon information about these ships and the wiki sites and tech manuals are not always forthcoming. Since you are doing videoes on Dominion ships, please do some on the Breen and Cardassian ships as well. Thanks.

  • @yodaslovetoy
    @yodaslovetoy Před měsícem +103

    "Does it come with a coffee machine?" - Janeway

    • @dot2562
      @dot2562 Před měsícem +3

      can it run crysis

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Před měsícem +3

      No. Jem Hadar don't drink coffee and neither do Vorta or Founders.
      No. It cannot run Crysis.

    • @UGNAvalon
      @UGNAvalon Před měsícem +2

      “Only weaklings require coffee. 😤”
      _Quietly hides Ketracyl White behind back._

    • @blackc1479
      @blackc1479 Před měsícem +2

      It'll be installed Wednesday

    • @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter
      @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter Před měsícem +3

      "There's coffee in that nebula!" - Capitan Insanway.... Probably

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 Před měsícem +11

    Nice shout-out for Venomgeek media.

  • @adamrobinson3123
    @adamrobinson3123 Před měsícem +23

    Give me the vibes of ISD from Star wars, they are designed to work singularly or in small groups to occupy systems distant from support groups. It's a smart design

  • @justinbane100
    @justinbane100 Před měsícem +37

    To be fair, a battle cruiser and a battleship are completely different things. And generally the battleship is bigger. Now we can start every Navy historian trying to explain exactly what a battle cruiser is.😂

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Před měsícem +2

      And then they'll say in the end : Depending on the navy a battlecruiser might be a battleship and a battleship might be a battlecruiser but in science fiction the biggest ships are iron clad era ship naming conventions such as the almighty dreadnaught.

    • @Bob6800a
      @Bob6800a Před měsícem +2

      I know the differences, but battle cruiser just sounds cooler.

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Před měsícem

      @@Bob6800a True that is why the biggest starship in star wars is a simple destroyer.
      Imperial Star Destroyer.

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant Před měsícem +2

      I thought generally battle cruisers were the same sort of size as a battleship and had similar armament but traded armour for speed, their theoretical role being they could chase down and destroy smaller ships like cruisers that could outrun a battleship.
      In practice they sometimes ended up in the same role as a battleship and did poorly as they couldn't go toe to toe with enemy battleships.

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Před měsícem

      @@101Mant Ah yes the italian navy reports in.

  • @laggybum3218
    @laggybum3218 Před měsícem +8

    How timely! I just got done watching the retaking of DS9 from the Dominion!

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski79 Před měsícem +4

    Up to this day, i have a hard time believing how little on-screen presence we got from these ships, or seen them in direct action. And they just happened to be my favorite Dominion ship!!!

  • @IamMeHere2See
    @IamMeHere2See Před měsícem +10

    It is my personal headcanon that Shinzon captured one of these in the war & used it as the frame for the Scimitar.
    It definitely makes more sense that the Remans building an entire dreadnought from scratch.

  • @Momo-tc7sc
    @Momo-tc7sc Před měsícem +7

    I’ve always wanted to see this ship in battle. I’d love to see it go up against a Galaxy or Sovereign!

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts Před měsícem +1

      Too bad we can't easily do duels in _STO_ . Well, there's another game that does vs, but I forget what it's called.

  • @WatchingYoutube737
    @WatchingYoutube737 Před měsícem +25

    I still don't get why dominion ships need a Carnival Cruise amount of windows.

    • @jasonpeacock9735
      @jasonpeacock9735 Před měsícem +6

      Makes up for the lack of view screen on the bridge

    • @DracoStarcloud
      @DracoStarcloud Před měsícem +15

      It's so the Jem'hadar can lean out and shoot their rifles at starships.

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 Před měsícem +4

      More windows so prisoners can look out and see their planets being bombarded.

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant Před měsícem +1

      No ships that are designed to get into fights should have windows. You won't see anything even in a fight it's too far away and it's a big structural weakness.
      I guess in Trek it's all shields and integrity fields and if those go the ship designers figure you are dead anyway, except for the Defiant

    • @LordTalax
      @LordTalax Před měsícem

      @@101Mant Not like the windows are glass anyways, it's a transparent metal so it's as strong as the hull.

  • @kerviuskuroshiba5120
    @kerviuskuroshiba5120 Před měsícem +2

    Please do a video on the Jem'Hadar Battleship if possible! That girl is a BEAST and I loved her debut in DS9. 😆😁

  • @timr8582
    @timr8582 Před měsícem +1

    Big fan of you, Rick, as well as Lt. Cmr. Adam and Venom Geek. 3 different styles of storytelling and all with your own interpretations of the lore. But always entertaining. Keep up the good work.

  • @Gaarafan007
    @Gaarafan007 Před měsícem +2

    I didn't watch much DS9 when I was a kid, just whenever Dad had it on. Therefore, I was unfamiliar with The Dominion when I began to collect and play Star Trek Attack Wing as a member of a strategy gaming club. While I primarily played Romulan, I did collect some Federation, Klingon, and Dominion ships. My Jem'Hadar Fighters, Battlecruisers, and Battleships proved to be rather formidable adversaries for my clubmates. I love the design of these ships, they really scream out 'warship', which was part of the reason I preferred Attack Wing to X-Wing despite being a bigger Star Wars fan than Trekkie. There's just something about capital ship engagements that excites me more than dogfighting.

  • @niefali
    @niefali Před měsícem +8

    I would really like to see a modern design take on the Dominion. What would their ships look like if they returned ?

    • @chrisjohnson1146
      @chrisjohnson1146 Před měsícem +5

      Star Trek Online has delved a bit into making a few updated Dominion designs that can be kitbashed with the canon models. I believe the Attack Ship and Dreadnought (aka battleship) are the two primary with customization options. The Battle Cruiser is in game as well and playable, but far as I know no customization options.

    • @LordTalax
      @LordTalax Před měsícem +1

      @@chrisjohnson1146 Many STO designs are hideous though. ENT-F for example.

  • @Darmok_
    @Darmok_ Před měsícem +7

    I really wish with the Dominion ship designs we got something different and more interesting. Instead of yet another derivative of the basic Klingon bird of prey body and wing layout. I always thought it would’ve been cool if they were less elegant and swooping and more brutalist and monolithic. To better reflect how ancient the Dominion is as well as their repressive caste system hierarchy. Visually similar to something out of a Denis Villeneuve film.

  • @icefire5799
    @icefire5799 Před měsícem +6

    Axiliary warpcores as it is a warship and needs to operate selfsuficiently

  • @Brando501st
    @Brando501st Před měsícem +1

    Great video! When you're watching DS9 it is a little hard to quickly tell the war cruiser and war ship apart 😆

  • @LackofFaithify
    @LackofFaithify Před měsícem +4

    Battlecruiser and Battleship are pretty distinct terms. Anyone that has treated them as the same in real life has had a bad time.

    • @nsr-ints
      @nsr-ints Před měsícem +3

      Many doesn't live long enough to regret it, however.

  • @50043211
    @50043211 Před měsícem +4

    That the Dominion to this day does not want to share technical data and design origins with SF is so rude!

  • @saladinbob
    @saladinbob Před měsícem +1

    How can you not see the inspiration? The moment you said that it jumped out at me. The design language, the flow of the lines is identical.

  • @NoBudjetFilms
    @NoBudjetFilms Před měsícem

    I have one of these in STO, I use it as a mass bombardment weapon. Not particularly maneuverable, but I line up all of the heaviest weapons I could get on it's forward mounts to aim at the target. That many energy weapons rapid firing is usually enough to severely weaken shields and then I unleash tons of Console mounted torpedoes/ordnance all at once. Typically rips Borg Cubes apart in short order.

  • @randylewis1779
    @randylewis1779 Před měsícem +1

    One of the most beautiful ships next to a borg cube

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Před měsícem

    Right off the bat, a vessel drifting among the yellow and blue cosmos.

  • @Nalehw
    @Nalehw Před měsícem

    I do love this channel's fake UI elements. Reflavouring them for each civ you cover is so cool.

  • @TheStarforce2
    @TheStarforce2 Před měsícem

    We really needed more combat with these guys. Most combat was fleet style or bugs not 1v1 or regular ship to ship with these guys

  • @jdsim9173
    @jdsim9173 Před 27 dny

    That is a gorgeous ship.

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 Před měsícem +2

    I wonder if this ship gave some inspiration for the design of the Scimitar

  • @Graham6410
    @Graham6410 Před měsícem +1

    In some ways it also reminds me of the Reman Schimitar ship as well.

  • @Reddotzebra
    @Reddotzebra Před měsícem +1

    These are the Star Destroyers of the Dominion.

  • @Cailean556
    @Cailean556 Před měsícem

    This ship is *my* favourite ship design across all of Star Trek, the Dominion Battleship (I don't mistake the two) comes in second.

  • @stevencoardvenice
    @stevencoardvenice Před měsícem

    Obedience means victory.
    And victory IS LIFE

  • @marginbuu212
    @marginbuu212 Před měsícem +3

    Not enough food for your population? Then adjust the population level for the amount of available food. AKA the Thanos solution.

  • @glitterboy2098
    @glitterboy2098 Před měsícem +1

    i personally suspect that the visual differences within the class are due to how the dominion builds its stuff. we know that members like the karemma get contracts to build the weapons and ships of the dominion, and i suspect that there are 2-3 other groups within the Dominion that also do such things, given the Karemma represenative that talks about the contracts refers to them having won the bidding to fulfill them. so i'd guess that the different visual sub-versions represent ships built at different member world shipyards. all working off mostly the same plan and specs, but each with slight differences to accommodate the construction techniques and manufacturing of each member world involved.

  • @Alteringrealitystudios
    @Alteringrealitystudios Před měsícem +1

    Hey Rick did you ever do an explained video about those odd aliens that the Packleds were poisoning. In the Voyager ep. The Void? 😅 Just wondering.

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Před měsícem +1

    Your channel is so much better than Trek yards.Your channel along with Vemom Geek Media and TriAng are my favorites. I'm not very fond of Lore Reloaded either.

    • @ytviewr
      @ytviewr Před měsícem

      What is triang?

  • @sharkdentures3247
    @sharkdentures3247 Před měsícem

    Apparently, it DOES ferry "dignitaries", but it seems it would have to be the very highest level of dignitaries (like an actual FOUNDER) to merit THIS vessel as its means of conveyance!
    I do like the harsher, sharper & more angular style of this ship. It does convey a more "aggressive" mindset. (Somewhat similar to Klingons, but , but unlike the Federation with its more rounded styling.)

  • @MatthewBluefox
    @MatthewBluefox Před měsícem

    The "Jem'Hadar Light Battlecruiser" is sadly only a luckbox ship in STO, I am using it on one character only (Eris, a Vorta FED TAC female). I hope it will go Legendary some day, ideally with the Keldon / Galor and the Leg'var in a bundle this year.

  • @artificialgravitas8954
    @artificialgravitas8954 Před měsícem

    Honestly my favorite Star Trek ship design

  • @kevreid82
    @kevreid82 Před měsícem

    I think the bigger the ship, the easier it would be to repair in the field. Since seemingly all star trek races have fusion power and all they need is the most abundant resource in the universe to power it, and replicators, it would be easy to replicate materials to repair ships. Voyager should have looked like galactica with damage from every battle accumulating over time but it was repaired repeatedly. A smaller ship with a smaller crew like a bird of prey, defiant, or jem hadsr attack ship would seem to be more difficult to repair while deployed because of the lack of personnel, and lack of space to move people to while sections of the ship are inoperable.

  • @LordTalax
    @LordTalax Před měsícem

    I see they put windows on there though, unlike the smaller attack ship which could only use the headset to see outside.

  • @TheFreelancer131
    @TheFreelancer131 Před měsícem

    Trek Central May of gotten it out sooner But I prefer this channel ;) even if your a disco fan Xp

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 Před měsícem

    I think that Star Trek does a great job creating designs and design languages for the major powers. Although I don't Play STO, it is a great source for other designs. There are great designs from other games and Fan art too. The Jem-Hadar ships have blade-like qualities.

  • @MAZE4
    @MAZE4 Před měsícem

    It started out with pointed down wings, but they became more horizontal.

  • @michaelmutranowski123
    @michaelmutranowski123 Před měsícem

    I really do like this ship.

  • @LokiOdinson-fz8ps
    @LokiOdinson-fz8ps Před měsícem

    It might have been a later model A-4 with the Avionics failings on the back above the wings.

  • @hi-q2261
    @hi-q2261 Před měsícem

    Please do an episode on The kar'takinof the Jem'Hadar, & The Klingon Bat'leth. 🙏

  • @afoolandhismoneychannel
    @afoolandhismoneychannel Před měsícem +6

    But how many chairs are on board?

    • @drewf41
      @drewf41 Před měsícem +2

      I think its one per view-screen.

    • @WatchingYoutube737
      @WatchingYoutube737 Před měsícem +2

      @@afoolandhismoneychannel 1 per window, so each Jem’Hadar can be inspired to write fan fic about dying for the founders.

    • @Chronicle-in8vu
      @Chronicle-in8vu Před měsícem +2

      Chairs aside does it come with a free gift from Temu...

  • @aurorajones8481
    @aurorajones8481 Před měsícem +1

    1:33 What a great idea to store your antimater on exposed pods on the tips of your wings. Very smart. The realities of that would be a torpedo, plasma, or phaser fire on an ANTIMATER STORAGE TANK to be inherently DANGEROUS! *insert eye roll here*

    • @aurorajones8481
      @aurorajones8481 Před měsícem +1

      Id go with the tanks being stored internally, with mis/dis information pertaining to them being on the wingtips for inaccurate targeting purposes. Perhaps those areas being equipt with energy dampners allowing them to soak up enemy fire... Ill go w/ that. They did get wrong targeting on the "RED SQUAD" episode which goes with what i just said. I DEEM IT CANNON!

  • @nunya3163
    @nunya3163 Před měsícem

    I wonder, did the Dominion use some form of stasis when transporting their troops on these ships? It seems to me that it would be a great way to preserve their supply of white, until the troops are ready to begin landing.

  • @Dragonwolfworm
    @Dragonwolfworm Před měsícem +1

    The fact we never got Star Trek Armada 3 with the Dominion as a playable faction still disappoints me.

  • @TheTurbinator
    @TheTurbinator Před měsícem

    Why the fuck was I unsubscribed from this channel?! I never did that, I just had to re-subscribe. I haven't seen a video from you for MONTHS!!

  • @originaluddite
    @originaluddite Před měsícem

    This looks cool but somehow lacks character. The Dominion ship with the insect abdomen-like back section looks way more distinctive. As for naming conventions - maybe the Founders just have no imagination. :)

  • @yodaslovetoy
    @yodaslovetoy Před měsícem +15

    Jem'hadar fighter springs to mind....

    • @kesn8317
      @kesn8317 Před měsícem +1

      vanguard dreadnought and carrier comes to mind...

  • @JemHadar422
    @JemHadar422 Před měsícem

    Even the Vorta serves the Founders

  • @captainzac24
    @captainzac24 Před měsícem +1

    So it's basically a stardestroyer

  • @USS_Sentinel
    @USS_Sentinel Před měsícem

    So these beauties are the Dominion version of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

  • @ravoniesravenshir3926
    @ravoniesravenshir3926 Před měsícem

    The Control Borg Next?

  • @AmeliaNeek
    @AmeliaNeek Před měsícem

    Any chance of covering the D'kora class Ferengi Marauder?

  • @seansteinbacher6449
    @seansteinbacher6449 Před měsícem

    The Dominion battle cruiser could be a 4 nacelle ship aswell

  • @teehasheestower
    @teehasheestower Před měsícem

    Also I don't think you see the Skyhawk because you'd have to turn it upside down to see it.

  • @TimberWolf99
    @TimberWolf99 Před měsícem

    One of my few complaints with DS9 is how it simplified starship combat, and that simplification (along with executive bullshit that I won't blame DS9 for) meaning that we never got a lore-accurate slugfest between a Battlecruiser and a Galaxy, or even better a Battlecruiser (or Battleship) and a Sovereign.

  • @jimmyryan5880
    @jimmyryan5880 Před měsícem +1

    Why do they need 2000 if you're not counting troops?

  • @trekwars5400
    @trekwars5400 Před měsícem

    Hi Rick 👋

  • @Shatterverse
    @Shatterverse Před měsícem +1

    How do you complain about the existence of both a battle cruiser and battleship? This are actual classifications of ships.

    • @nsr-ints
      @nsr-ints Před měsícem

      Many who confuses the two rarely ever live long enough to regret it.

  • @shaytepes7351
    @shaytepes7351 Před měsícem

    Not too sure how well a salt ship can take shots.

  • @gethinjones1944
    @gethinjones1944 Před měsícem

    What I don’t get is there must be more than one vorta on these kinds of ship? Are they the technicians engineers scientists? How many first are there as it seems units are groups of six or eight? Do the species they conquered serve in some capacity as can’t think they won’t when the provide weapons and technology?

  • @AC20sAkimbo
    @AC20sAkimbo Před měsícem +1

    I agree what the Dominion call a fighter is just dumb, maybe thats a weird translation thing from Dominonese?
    Edit: any progress on the difference between horizontal and vertical warp drives?

  • @TheImperialAnswer
    @TheImperialAnswer Před měsícem

    To be fair, isn't that ship a battleship in STO?
    And the battleship itself is now a dreadnought?

  • @TheStarforce2
    @TheStarforce2 Před měsícem

    I do like the fact that I feel like I am listening to national geographic for ships...

  • @StarMandoForge
    @StarMandoForge Před měsícem

    The ship was also called a battleship in DS9 season 5

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Před měsícem

    O'Brien does it have a Bar 🍺🍺

  • @3Rayfire
    @3Rayfire Před měsícem +1

    I don't know why but Dominion ships scream Egyptian style to me.

  • @grahamturner1290
    @grahamturner1290 Před měsícem +1

    🖖

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Před měsícem

    SPACE!!!

  • @Allosaurus87
    @Allosaurus87 Před měsícem +1

    dominion does not have replicators?

  • @bristolwriter2254
    @bristolwriter2254 Před měsícem

    Always thought the top of the ship looks like a fairy cake.

  • @rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290

    Some people are too dumb for the own good. There is no way anyone could confuse this ship with the Dominion Battleship.

  • @keithwiggins3131
    @keithwiggins3131 Před měsícem

    The Dominion came really really close in defenting the federation if it wasn't for the worm hole alien's. The Dominion ship's to me were way cooler then the romulan warbirds like this ship right here.

  • @DOOMocrat
    @DOOMocrat Před měsícem +4

    My ST:O daily driver. Big beams and fighters. Turns like a Newsstand. Don't care.

  • @teehasheestower
    @teehasheestower Před měsícem

    The most dominion ship of all time.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Před měsícem

    Straight away, an American airplane.

  • @qhu3878
    @qhu3878 Před měsícem

    sup

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 Před měsícem

    Hmm, how would it fair against a Starfleet ship of the line from the Picard Series era?
    Say an Inquiry or Excelsior 2 class?
    Because the Dominion were pretty stagnant with their technology, they had existed for over 2000 years. You give Starfleet 2000 years and they're going to be building Tardises with the firepower of the Suncrusher.

  • @mateo_sid
    @mateo_sid Před měsícem

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Před měsícem +2

    It looks to much like a Klingon ship

  • @dibaterman
    @dibaterman Před měsícem

    Bare with me, but I think the Dominion ruined Trek.
    I think that people tuned in for the Dominion stuff more for the invested time and world building than the Dominion itself. So in that I think everything about the DS9 was great sci-fi writing but bat Trek writing. As a result you now have movie Trek as the standard which comes off as generic sci-fi but loses the audience that wanted for the boldly going of the series and alien to human complications therein.

  • @danielduncan6806
    @danielduncan6806 Před měsícem

    So at this point you're just an STO ad. Copy that. It was a nice run.

    • @xp8969
      @xp8969 Před měsícem +1

      First day on CZcams? No worries, l'lI help you to understand how it works,, CZcams doesn't pay the content creators to create the content you're watching for free so selling ads is how they pay their rent and feed their families, kinda like how you expect a paycheck from your job to feed your family for the work you do

    • @chrisjohnson1146
      @chrisjohnson1146 Před měsícem +2

      He just uses a lot of material from STO since they have a LOT of material he can use for videos. If STO doesn't have it, he'd find another source.

  • @paulkirby2761
    @paulkirby2761 Před měsícem

    Larger dominion ships always seemed rushed, lazy and low budget to me... and by that I mean the IRL designers obviously, not the Dominion 😂.
    They smack of Klingon Vorcha spliced with a few other classic spaceship with wings with warp engines on the tips... very dull and boring. Scale it up or down accordingly lazy sort of design.

  • @metairie33
    @metairie33 Před měsícem +1

    1st