Tig Brazing vs Tig Welding
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Tig Brazing is when you use a filler rod that melts at a much lower temperature than the base metal...usually silicon bronze, or aluminum bronze filler metal.
So How strong is Tig Brazing?
for thin wall tubing, if you can use a large braze joint with lots of braze material that is thicker than the base metal, and if you can braze all the way around, it can be pretty strong.
But for a one sided fillet weld...tig brazing is pretty weak. - Jak na to + styl
Why would you dislike this video? As a certified Tig welder, I can attest that everything he said was correct and to the point. He lays down a nice bead and answers the important question of why braze rather than weld. Nicely done
I just wanted to let you know that I learned how to weld through your videos a long time ago, and you never stopped teaching me new things ever since.
The same is true for me.
Same!
Same here!
Also the same for me. I actually got to meet him briefly at fabtech 2018 it was like seeing your favorite celebrity but better.
Dude, RESPECT for additional conversion to metric system, this just stole my heart :D
I really enjoy these non standard application/process videos, no one else is making this kind of content! Awesome video!
Jody, thanks for all the educational welding video's you do. You have helped thousands of new and even experienced welders learn the tricks and methods required to be a good welder. I can't overstate how much I appreciate your channel.
I'm sure glad the braze on that bike tubing held up.
I didn't want to see Jody picking himself off the floor in the outtakes.
Great info.
I had the same thought, by back starting hurting when I say that :-O
Silver brazing is stronger than welding it determines the material you using
@@micahhill4786 welding definitely stronger than any brazing, its actualy mix 2 pieces in one in welding puddle, and also you can add more material if you need.
Thanks for making a Monday not so horrible!! It was definitely a treat listening to the podcast on the way home then getting to watch your video explaining some of what was talked about. Very cool! The podcast episode was one of my favorites! Mike Z was great, thanks for interviewing him, I learned a lot!
Thanks JD. We are gonna have you on just as soon as we have a slot.
weldingtipsandtricks love your videos thanks for the help
JD Brewer
I've been tig welding for a long time and had never heard of tig brazing until I watched this video a few weeks ago. So I bought some silicon bronze rods for the repair shop and found they were great for fixing cracks in fuel and hydraulic lines. I'm looking for other uses. Thanks for the great info.
Two years after I first watched this video, and I still appreciate it very much. That TIG-brazing, with the silicon bronze, is just an awesome trick and I just don't understand why we don't see it on custom bicycles or motorcycles, for example.
TIG welding is a very high skill, while gas brazing takes forever and needs a bunch of clean up (and can also cook your face off or burn your garage to the ground).
If you can TIG, why would you pick a much less strong welding solution like brazing. Unless there is a key reason that brazing offers with some additional work required, its just less strong and cheaper/labor.
@@boots7859 I can't TIG weld. TIG brazing appears to be much easier than TIG welding, because I'm not melting the steel being joined. So I imagine it's easier to learn how to do, than proper TIG welding. I took a short TIG welding class once and holy moly man I sucked at it! Super discouraging.
Plus, TIG brazing is also more attractive than flame brazing because there's no flux, and thus much easier cleanup.
When I first saw the bike frame that was brazed I thought that was a real weak frame that shouldn't be trusted. Then I saw that the tubing bent before the brazing broke, not the first time I was proven wrong. Good video, this demonstrates just how versatile a TIG can be.
The crazy part is in some things like that bike frame it makes a stronger joint than a weld.
Good video Jody. I've only recently in the past couple years been using this type of brazing here and there. I'm enjoying the tips and tricks!
Thanks Adam. You make some great videos
weldingtipsandtricks I just bought a precision Tig 225..can you do a video with that welder
weldingtipsandtricks Could you please do a video on how to TIG FILLET weld some 2mm thick stainless steel plates?
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no filler rod just sweat it.
I absolutely love to watch Jody weld! Not only is he a gifted welder, he does a phenomenal job conveying his knowledge in a easy to understand vocabulary
That bike tubing joint was impressive! As a cyclist it really gives me a lovely feeling to see just how strong a bike frame can be, and on a bike you have many joints working together.
I didn't realize the bronze filler allows so many different types of alloys to welded together. Thanks Jody, awesome stuff!!
Thanks for the tip of keeping the filler rod tip in the sheilding gas. My light bulb came on as soon as you said it.
Really great videos. From ideas, explanations, examples, testing to even editing - everything is fantastic. Big Thank You!
This guy is spot on with his concise explanations and examples...must see more! Thanx
Wow! This is a really good video and I liked that you not just showed the welding process but also did the test on bicycle "frame".
Great video. I've taught metalwork and engineering for many years and that was a really good lesson. Just goes to show that one is never too old to learn. I've never tried TIG brazing but it looks like a good technique for the right kind of joint. Thanks very much.
Aluminum bronze is a damn beautiful welding metal. Thanks for sharing.
wow... I was impressed as the tube bent but the brazing still holds. Would never have guessed that.
Silver brazing is stronger in welding it determines the material you are brazing.
So glad I found this channel! Clear and thorough instructions.
Just seeing a good weld feels incredibly satisfying
Love your vids.
Excellent view of the weld puddle as you progress. Nice to see your articulation of the torch and rod as you work the puddle.
Really cool how the ac current cleans the field ahead of the puddle. Very informative comparisons. Just don't hurt yourself hanging on bike tube framing like that!
Excellent video. How do you follow the weld area like that? Do you have a cameraman or something automatic?
Some of the best welding and advice I've seen and herd.Keep up the great job.
Brilliant Video. I'm planning on building bike from scratch so learning as much as I can about different welding techniques. I'm loving your tips and tricks. Thanks
Been looking for this type of video and series. Thank you. Very well done
Wow, another great video. I'd read the numbers on PSI , but this video definitely cleared up a lot. Thanks so much!
I have been doing some tig brazing lately with silicon bronze, kind of frustrating how the puddle swells quickly and easily rises into the tungsten if your running too close. Thanks for the video Jody!
Me to! Maybe Jody will address that some time, or is it Practice, Practice, Practice.....
I really want to give this a try with my powertig welder but it sounds like it might be a bit harder than jody makes it look!
Interesting test here Jody, glad you take the time to make these vids so we can all learn a thing or two... Thanks 👊🏼
Great video! Well presented, well photographed, no BS, to the point... Very much appreciated. Thank you!
never watched any of your videos before but I'm impressed... no baloney, straight to the point...
I love your videos, sometimes I have the impression that I missed some of the classes and I am in the next level and basics stuff was already discussed... LOL
Another great no-nonsense helpful tutorial, explaining why as well as how. Perfect.
Precise, well organized and informative.
A+, go to the head of the class! Thanks for sharing.
The best welding channel. Period. Thank you for sharing your know how with the world!!!
Thanks a lot for the demonstrations... It helped me understand welding a little bit better...
It looks really cool. Interesting to use for metal sculptures, furniture, and other art projects
Back in the day before mig welders, we used brass and acetalene to weld patches on a rusty car, if you put filler(bondo) over it, the brass would make the the bondo bubble over time, will bronze rod do that too?
Wow, this is the welding skill I want to see in person!
your teaching is accurate, precise and easy to understand. thank you!
I waited out that whole video to see you bang out some curls with those 50s!
that would require a warmup...but I might be able to bang out a few.
Im not cool enough to get it , dam it sucks being a noob, im like 40 bro , ditched carpentry for the big bucks in custom fab , only problem im a 5 year old at welding
Great video! Thanks!
I used to be a 6gr Lloyds coded welder using mig,stick and Tig,the Tig mainly for stainless. That's some lovely welds and brazing you are putting in there buddy. Great work 👍🏴
Very impressive testimony to the strength of brazing - cantilevering his entire body weight on to the brazed tube.
Great video and tips! Can I ask how much Amps was used on the bicycle frame? Thank you.
I have never bronze welded with Tig but with gas I could make joints that would rip a thin walled tube apart before the joint failed. In the 60s and 70s Lotus and others put racing cars together this way.
Donald Sayers Ariel still does
@@tomthompson7400 I just tried brazing some electrical tubing, and when I broke it it pulled a chunk out of the EMT. I was impressed!
Man, that is so beautiful. I dream of learning how to weld like that. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Jody. Always awesome videos, but that went out of the park! I do allot of repair work and that was really informative.
I'd like to see some cast iron repairs using those brazing techniques, (like engine block repairs)
Thanks!
from what i can understand brazing seems to show advantages regarding the heat affected area and the conservation of the proprieties of the base metal...great video as always...i don.t even weld but i find entertainment and great knoledge in your work.
Thanks Jody. I'll give it a try on my next cast iron repair.
Thank you for the destruction tests and the comparison.
Great vid, I love this stuff. It always makes me want to get back in the shop
Super job. I was looking into what the pros and cons of this would be . Thanks for the info.
I've made a lot of my peers aware of you at Tulsa and you are our hero lol
An excellent presentation. I'm putting this one in my reference file as a go to.
It is good to know as many methods of joining metal as possible.
what would I use tig brazing for over tig welding?
thanks for this though I could have used it when I was trying my hand first at brazing and welding with a gas torch though I did finally get it to put down rod it was not easy and often got the temp of the base metal to the point of reduction temp and starting to drip like when you go to torch cut it, you are right a braze snaps much more easy then a weld I welded down things and could not bend it even with a hammer.
Excellent welding technique, and advice, Thank You!
Joining dissimilar materials, an artists dream! Thanks for the thorough tutorial and inspiration!!
Thank you for the video Jody! Question..would silicon bronze be ok to use when doing sheet metal? Also witch tungsten would you use? 18 gauge
Thank you
I'm a rookie when it comes to brazing. Have never welded. Back in the 80's I brazed with map gas air combo. What is the primary advantage using the Tig method?
another use is welding a spot of silicon bronze on the end of set screws that need to be moved often ( like a lathe tailstock) ,stops burrs and damage to the shaft . pretty handy stuff to have in the workshop
Great video Jody! Very interesting to see some brazing compared to a regular weld. The most appealing thing about brazing to me would be to use it on thin sheet metal to avoid warping. TIG-welding body-panels on cars and such can be a real pain. How is the crack-resistance on silicone/aluminum-bronze compared to a mild steel fillerrod?
Congrats on 300000 subscribers!
It's been 20 years since I lifted a TIG torch and this was really interesting...
Great video!
Can you do a video on welding thin wall stainless steel/titanium tubing
(20 gauge) for motorcycle exhaust headers.
would be nice to see yea! i dont know wich material my crf450 exaust is made of.. we tried to weld it 2 times but it never held up long :(
Have your gas flowing inside the pipes before, during and after welding. A beautiful welding bead inside and out. Apply an acid bath. Many years ago used to weld stainless in a laboratory.
But a video would be nice.
Thanks, Jody. Great as always.
Your an excellent instructor. Lots of great info.
Been diggin your videos for some time now. Can you suggest a quality MIG/TIG combo welder unit [with gas adapter] for $1500 or less. For farm & hobby use.
Thanks a lot.
The neat thing about brazing is for joints in shear or tension, like a wedge brazed to some square tube that you don't want to shrink, or a triangular lug on some .020" sheet without spot welding.
I lost it at 9:27, I thought you would leave it but you had to push it. I wasn't expecting that though. Awesome video, Thank you Sir.
My understanding is that brazing is your backup, in an event where you cant heat it enough or your using 2 separate metals that won’t weld you can almost always braze them if you get the right stuff
I'm not a welder by any sense of the word and I found this very informative. Great video.
Super informative!
So if a guy was to tig braze a chunk of cast iron from a wood stove, would he have better luck?
Great video, thank you!
You are a true artist, beautiful welds, very appealing.
Hi great video thanks
Could you include the same tests for
Old school brazing with the oxy touch?
And the Flux core wire you used last week
Cheers
Gregg
Australia
Great channel thanks a lot. I believe the reliability of the weld not only depends of the static load, such the weights that you're applying to them. A good fatigue tests or a CTOD, would demonstrate how reliable was the weld in a more accurate manner. However, not worth it for simple applications like the video demonstrations which were great.
My girlfriend had some silicone implants put in, and when I got too excited about it she said I had some real brass cajones.
Your video reminded me of that day. Thanks!
This is exactly what i want to do. I'm 18 and have recently;y taken up a fascination with motorcycles. I just finished my Oxy-Acetylene class a few months back and had a lot of fun with it. I am signed up for Arc and Tig next month. I want to fabricate motorcycles, and just about anything.
Jodi is the best. I watch him first over the other weldors on here.
I just want to say thanks for sharing your know-how.I have become a mutch better welder, since i have found your channel.Its great to learn from somebody that also loves welding.
great video and it was very much informative! i was wondering if i could use bronze welding to make a custom swing arm for a scrambler/dirt bike ? or should i go with the tig weld instead? i dont have much knowledge regarding welding and stuff so i'd really appreciate your suggestion on that .
Could you do a video of the structural capacity of silicon bronze welded on silicon bronze? I work primary with silicon bronze and I haven't (knock on wood) had a single incident yet.
I'm 19, not into welding much, but damn, you know how to make a video interesting because I watched from end to finish !
jody what r the specs in last test amperage and and wre u wlding on dc
I have a question, that was a great video btw. You decided the Aluminum Bronze on AC was stronger that Silicon Bronze, did you choose the weaker one for the bike tubes for test purpose? "If the weakest one can do it, we know tbey all can" so if you were going to tig braze a bike frame would you go to the stronger Aluminum Bronze?
wonderful video I'm a tin basher and hoping to start tig welding at the shop soon
Thanks Jodi. Great video, as usual.
Could you please do a video on how to tig fillet weld a 2mm thick stainless steel plate?
I never knew the difference before, Thanks!
I had never thought to use TIG for brazing. Could you try the 1/8" joints again using flux with TIG, torch with flux, and torch no flux? I haven't brazed in a while but I always used torch and flux and recall having excellent wetting/joint penetration. Also (beyond this video) shear vs bending vs tensile strength may determine the role of brazing in structural uses.
I tig braze, but with thin wire and have a job stuffing it in fast enough. I tried
some 2.4 rods and thought they were just to thick, I couldn't get enough heat in to
them to melt them and not melt the parent metal. I would like to see a poolside vid
of the frame tube braze to see how it's done.
I could not tell you how many coolant and hydraulic tubes I have patched up with some brazing rod and a torch on heavy trucks and equipment. far as I know I haven't had any repeat leaks from repaired areas
Amazing video and you have a southerner accent, love it
Are you turning the base material viscous at all for TIG brazing?
nice that the method is less aggressive to sensible or tiny things and cause less metal warpage because of heat.
You have some serious Skill! you make it seem easy .
Seems like something that would do well on the outside of another weld to keep it from rusting.