Why I don't (usually) censor car numbers
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Some of you have seen car registration numbers in some of my videos and worry that I could get into trouble for not censoring them. In fact, they don't usually have to be censored at all, and in this video I explain why.
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As a fan of Saschas yt channels for years I just want to make clear that he only left the normal, rather unimportant traffic uncensored until he got accused. The drivers doing things wrong and being the main event of the scenes were censored since the first video.
Right; the court ruling mentioned that because the camera was indiscriminately filming all road users, he was essentially putting them all under suspicion. I should have made that clear.
@@rewboss Now you have. Duly noted.
@@rewboss And this was one of the worst rulings in Germany. I still do not get it how a judge was able to rule like this.
Since decades, roads are public places and filming on public places is allowed unless you picture a few distinct persons in the movie - which no dash cam does - until after an accident someone gets out of the car.
Filming in public places is legal everywhere.
To now treat dashcams and their videos differently is - for me - a big abuse of the justice system - as this ruling leaves so many questions and illogical base.
@@PascalGienger Rewboss explained why dashcams are treated differently -- it's because they're concealed and always on. That is a significant qualitative difference.
I really like your "I call them number plates, I'm British" attitude. Not that I favour one variant of the English language over another, I just enjoy hearing all the different varieties of the language here on CZcams, following people from several English-speaking parts of the world, and also a lot of people whose native language is something other than English, but still post their videos in English to reach a bigger audience. I just enjoy hearing how different the same language can be. To say it in my native language and the language of the country you live in: Danke! :-)
Wha, Chinese e-mail service Website lul
@@Karrrsten LOL that was not intentional, just a missing space after the period. I didn't realize that CZcams turns that into a link. 😅
Fixed it,, thanks for mentioning it 😁
Not to mention that it's "Nummerschild" in german, so "number place" is pretty much the same.
I'm not sure what else t call it? Nummerschild? Plaque? I was a bit confused by this. It's a numberplate, there shouldn't be any need to justify this.
In Germany we say "Nummernschild" as well even if the legal term is "Kraftfahrzeugkennzeichen" or shorter "Kfz-Kennzeichen".
and Nummernschild is directly translatet to Numberplate..
Well if google translate is correct in that meaning "Vehicle Registration Number" that term is used in English too. Though the vehicle part is usually omitted and the rest often shortened to "Reg Number" or just simply "Reg". You will pretty much only hear that when discussing the number itself rather than the plate, an example would be asking a witness to a hit and run "Did you catch that guys reg?" ie did you manage to read their registration number.
Great that you mentioned Sascha Fahrnünftig. However, he isn't currently driving a truck (or lorry) any more, since he had enough of this job. Instead, he has created a second channel called "Eure Videos Fahrnünftig" where he publicizes informational dashcam scenes with commentary that others have recorded and sent him. Also, he has people who censor every license plate, every number plate and every face - at least! before these videos go public (the most prominent "pixel-helper" is called horsepower dashcam, who also has his own channel with dashcam clips filmed in vintage cars). Also, it's funny how Sascha LKW Fahrnünftig has obtained 50k+ subscribers rather quickly, while I am subscribed to this channel since shortly before or shortly after your move from Berlin to the south (probably, Sascha didn't even own a dashcam back in those days), and it has only now grown to 50k subs...
Happy 50k ☺
After all those years... a crossover between rewboss and SaschaFahrnünftig... Finally
In sweden it was for a while not clear wether it was illegal to have a dashcam. It was later ruled that it is allowed and does not count as a surveillance camera as long as it was operated by someone and the camera turning on when you start your car was considered to be "operating". But a car filming while parked is an a surveillance camera and therefore illegal.
In sweden it is however possible to use film from an illegal CCTV as evidence anyway if the court allow it.
Its not that uncommon for there to be exceptions that allow illegally obtained evidenced to be used; mostly as long as no one working as an official of the law is the one obtaining the evidence.
A weird Bavarian village you say, I feel a tim traveler colab coming up
"Hello and Servus, It's August 2021 and [Covid regulations]"
[stuff normal people would want to visit]
"But of course we're not here to see any of *that* "
Yes in Britain and Ireland they are generally referred to as "number plates", but the lesser known fact is they are legally defined as "vehicle index marks".
Interesting, I always thought the correct name was registration plate. Of course we still say number plates when there never has been a road-legal numerical-only reg.
Are you sure about that? The UK government seems to refer to them as "vehicle registration marks".
Very interesting video but the last part when you briefly mentioned that village in Bavaria, I was instantly intrigued. That better be real so I won't have to wait all year for it.
In my country, there was an incident that rude driver pointed a gun at a motorcycle driver and the people filming decided to "viralized" that driver's number plate. Then recently an incident at a petrol station where the driver removed the red KU 1105 B plate with a black KI 66 FS plate.
People often say that ignorance of the law isn't a defence, and while I'm not a lawyer either, although it's not enough to be acquitted I believe it can sometimes be a factor in sentencing, and it sounds like that it was with Sascha
That's some very interesting information. I was thinking myself about maybe recording a drive on the German freeway one day, just to show people from other countries what the roads there are like. I had also heard in the past that it would technically be illegal without censoring the plates but based on your info it sounds like it might actually be totally ok if I don't focus on the other cars and don't include timestamps or coordinates (although I guess the "surveillance camera" aspect would remain).
By the way, why do people from English-speaking countries always insist so strongly on making it clear that they are not a lawyer when they are casually sharing their interpretation of a legal situation? Have there been cases in the past where people got successfully sued for giving bad "advice" when they were simply casually and informally explaining how they personally understood the law?
I think it's probably so that someone doesn't try to cite it as their defence if they get into trouble themselves
I think this is mostly a United States thing, but also a good practice for anyone giving his piece of mind about a legal issue. It is just a way to make it absoluteley certain that noone missunderstands the given opinion for legal advice, as giving legal advice without a license (as far as I know, not a lawyer either and this is not legal advice ;P ) is a crime with some hefty fees and punishment involved.
I'm making such videos myself and also don't censor the other car's plates (with no time or coodinates ofc). Main reason for this is that it takes much effort to censor hundreds of license plates. Additionally, I think it's really unlikely that someone will come up to me just because I've driven past them. The reason for filming is not to surveil traffic but to capture the surrounding landscape that I'm driving through and I believe and hope that I'm good with that explanation.
it is actually illegal to do "Rechtsberatung" (legal advice) in Germany if you are not a lawyer.
In America, lawyers are officers of the court, thus quasi government officials, and to impersonate a government official is a no no.
Sehr interessant. Danke für das Video!
Come out to Oregon, USA sometime.
I saw a numberplate in a newsreport that wasn't censored once, but they censored it when they showed that scene on a later schedule. But it was on public TV and it was about a carcrash so then it should always be censored.
What you said about number plates being visible to everyone is what I would've thought. Same goes for photography and video - if someone is out in public then anyone can potentially see them anyway, so what difference does it make if it's in a picture or video?
One concern that some people have expressed is that if you happen to capture someone in an image when they weren't really supposed to be there and someone they know happens to see it then that could lead to them facing awkward questions as to what they were doing there, and while that is certainly a possibility, someone they know could happen to see them while they're there anyway, and if they're willing to take the risk of that then surely they're willing to take the risk of someone seeing an image of them there?
The permanent use of a dash cam without regard to a special situation isn't allowed here. "Ein anlassloses permanentes Filmen und Speichern des öffentlichen Straßenverkehrs hingegen bleibt aber verboten" (Art. 6 DSGVO, § 4 BDSG)
Yes, here in Canada license plates are in public view so don't have to be "blurred out".
Well, that's good to know. I've filmed hours of video on the roads here in Canada, and it never even occurred to me to blur out license plates until seeing this video.
interesting topic. That teaser at the end though
Thank you for this panic about blurring number plates!
That's not a spoiler, that's a cliffhanger ...!🤗
It sounds like a problem in America where someone got their plates cloned and then tried to blame/suethe film maker for enabling the crime
That's silly because you can already check which plates are registered (but not to whom). Also, you can use your eyes. :P
I would like to know, why some german tv productions and reports sometimes cencor licence plates of parking or driving-by cars, is it just to make sure they are definitely in the right?
Your wife's car is parking in front of your best friends house while she should be at her yoga course..what could possibly go wrong?
Dash-cam footage has no big chance of showing cars that *are not* breaking some traffic law-- judging by what I've seen on CZcams.
That's because car drivers never comply with regulations. Everybody knows that.
And noboby presses the Button that saves the Video on that camera or even uploads the Video on CZcams if there is nothing special to it, like sombody breaking the law.
2:51 Sascha hat's erwischt? Muss ich mal nachschauen.
Ja schon vor längerer Zeit.
Just curious about your 2 cents (not legal advice): do my videos, where the main focus is the highway routes, risk a fine? One of the German videos does not have blurred number plates yet. What would you do?
Not legal advice either, but I assume since the case described where a fine was issued was heavily based on accusations of single drivers and also involved exact location and time stamps, it is unlikely that any judge would rule against you for this if you do none of those things. Germans are notorious for insisting on privacy laws that don't exist, particularly when it comes to filming them, so never just believe them when they complain. If it is clear that filming took place in a public space and does not focus on single, recognisable individuals in topic, any incidental recording of people/cars will not be seen to affect personal privacy, even in Germany.
looks like best british weather :p
I’m not sure how German courts view the GDPR, but the way it’s interpreted in The Netherlands even someone’s bodies build, hairstyle, the way they walk, etc are (individually) considered personal, identifiable information and there fall under the GDPR restrictions. And even though number plates can’t be used by normal citizens to easily identify drivers, those too are considered personal identifiable information, and fall under the GDPR.
It’s quite interesting to see how different countries courts interpret the same European regulations.
They fall under identifiable information, but the GDPR also requires member states to allow exceptions for journalistic or artistic reasons, and to ensure that freedom of information and freedom of expression are not infringed. The German Federal Court, for example, has established several times that the German Artistic Creator Law provides that exception within the GDPR and thus is still valid.
Hey Rewboss it would've been nice if you put a link to Sascha's Video in your description.
I didn't find any recent Videos on any of his 3 "car" Channels.
You talked about it as if it happened recently...
It was last year. Here's the video where he shows the court ruling: czcams.com/video/wFBrgJIkDwI/video.html
@@rewboss Nice! Thank you very much!
**shows a pic of a plate full of mostly letters with a couple numbers** "I call them number plates"
Why not? An IBAN -- an International Bank Account Number -- also has letters in it, so why not a car registration number?
@@rewboss Even an ISDN can have a letter in it.
In that manner, Kennzeichen makes more sense
@@KaiHenningsen *ISBN -- International Standard Book Number, not an Integrated Services Digital Network. The last digit of a 10-digit ISBN can be an X, because it's the check digit, and values 0-10 inclusive are required. Letters can't appear anywhere else in a 10-digit ISBN, or anywhere in a 13-digit ISBN.
Mate, I’m looking forward to visiting Germany again, hopefully soon. I have a little giggle about the differences that I have noticed between Australia and Germany. This dash cam restriction is just another quite different handling of the same topic. I also noticed the sale and consumption of alcohol in Germany is much different than Oz. As well, most of the German locals I met could not be described as friendly, some even to the point of rudeness. I also have a giggle about the way some Germans see themselves as efficient…..some would suggest they are just bureaucratic. After all, the Brandenberg airport is an example…..9 years late and 3 times over budget. I’m also looking forward to getting over there and catching up with long lost relatives. Tschuess aus Australien.
Mate, us Aussies call them “number plates” as well. Tschuess aus Australien.
Und nun werden schon Leute verknackt weil Werbung auf gefilmten Fahrzeugen zu sehen ist... Wegen Datenschutz...
What kind of camera is it that you got?
It's crazy to me that a dashcam has so many weird restrictions. As an American I understand that when I walk out of my front door the right to privacy goes away. Anytime you are in a public place you are giving up your right to remain anonymous because you are not in a private place. I don't really see a need for requiring privacy in public settings.
You have the right to things like due process, meaning that you are not subject to vigilante justice, lynchmobs and so on. Also, while you may be in a public place, you have the right not to be subject to surveillance without your informed consent. Germans value this particularly highly, because the country has seen two totalitarian regimes that used surveillance to keep their citizens under control, often with the cooperation of fellow citizens (look up, for example, the practices of the Stasi in communist East Germany). You have the right to go about your daily business with people making it easy for stalkers to track your movements. And so on and so forth.
And people think the Nazis were the espionage kings. Oh boy have they not met the Stasi yet, but they did meet you. The Stasi were also more powerful for much longer periods of times than the Gestapo, and were more insidious with much more covert tactics like white rooms and sensory deprivation that makes it easier to hide torture, and could conduct psychological terror on people just by rearranging their furniture. No wonder Germans in modern democracy really value privacy.
@@robertjarman3703 The Stasi even stored the smell of political opponents..so that's no joke
So dashcam safe legal if you don’t post the video online?
I’ve seen Germans says dashcams are illegal in Germany
Lol that outro
When at some point a certain car drives somewhere.
The car is probably just parked.
It's all very daring.
It's all boring and has no legal implications.
Please make a trip to Buxtehude and then convince your audience that the recepie for Labskaus is real.
The Labskaus thing might not be as funny as it sounds, they eat it on the island, too. They call it "scouse" in Liverpool and insist that it's a Liverpuddlian special thing. As they do in Norway. Truth is, I ate the original once - it's called "Bacalao" in Portugal. Dried cod ("Stockfisch"), made edible again by soaking it in water, boiling it with potatoes and drenched in olive oil. On the friesian island of Amrum they eat their dried fish still in the same way, minus the olive oil.
You will recognice "Bacalao" as the original form of the word "Labskaus", too, massacred by norse tongues. Also, germans call the bacalao of the North Sea and Atlantic "Kabeljau", while the baltic cod still goes by his non-portugese name of "Dorsch".
Labskaus is a fine example that where we think of ourselves as very special and unique we are the most similar to all the other special and unique people of the world. Species of Homo indeed: "the same ones"!
Fun fact: even if you were a lawyer, you would be legally prohibited to give legal advice for free. Yepp. Everyone is the same in front of court - IF they can make it there.
Also: Germans can choose their number plates (except the town´s designation - and it costs some money) - and many choose to make it their initials and/or birthday - so yeah... if you have SOME other data of that person, you can often tell who owns which car on the parking lot. That´s how i know which doorbells to ring, when i want to read the house´s meters (i have the names of the inhabitants on my list). So i can choose: Do i ring the doorbell of Frank Bauer, born in 1977 (- FB 1977) or of Hans Meier born in 1948 (- HM 48) first [i made those up, of course]? I didnt know their ages before and i would have no other way of knowing that these two parties are probably at home and that these are their cars.
As for dashcam footage: So... if you catch someone doing something illegal, you need to protect that persons idendity. Great. Makes sense. Right? No, it f***** doesnt. In germany, everyone is just supposed to follow the rules without any sort of control, it seems. You only have to drive on the Autobahn, to witness for yourself, that almost no truck is only driving 80 km/h, which is their allowed top speed. If you see a sign saying "radar control" next to a speed limit sign, you can be pretty sure, it´s a bluff. Nothing gets controlled almost ever. But if people bring evidence, they are the culprits all of a sudden. If you drive according to the rules in germany (like i do), you can consider yourself a naive fool or idealist or something. If you actually drive 30 where it says 30, you WILL accumulate a huge line of cars behind you, tailgattling you all the way, while everyone in front of you disappears over the horizon. But dont dare documenting that - you will get sued. WT actual F. Sorry.
"if you catch someone doing something illegal, you need to protect that persons idendity"
No. If you catch somebody doing something illegal, you need to take their identity to the police, rather than telling the whole world about that identity.
fascinating about it!! =D
So does this mean that dashcams need to have a notification about video camera surveillance stuck next to it, so that they are not "unmarked surveillance cameras"?
No; it means you have to be careful about how you use them and what you do with the footage.
@@rewboss OK, so if they comply with the law (automatically overwriting old footage), and I don't publicize anything filmed, then it's fine? Good to know, so I'll keep using mine. I really love that, even though nobody will ever see 99.99999% of the footage.
@@Seegalgalguntijak Exactly: this is precisely what the courts have said is perfectly acceptable.
@@rewboss Thanks for the confirmation. I was never sure whether it'd be okay, since the footage is almost 10 hours old until it gets overwritten (that is, 10 recording hours, which can occur over multiple days), due to the fact that the camera records onto a 64GB sd card, instead of, say, for example a 4GB card, which would be kind of pointless, because it would be worn out and in need of replacement after too short a time (besides, I think there even aren't any 4GB cards any more).
It's by the way not illegal to film concealed (you may not publish it unless I suppose you have a reason like investigative journalism things) but it is however illegal to record sound concealed resp. in secret without anyone knowing. Which is why you often see "hidden cam" footage but the speakers are always "repeated from memory".
Whenever the personal rights might be violated you come in trouble.
interesting. Such dashcam footage videos would never be illegal here. Dashcams arent surveillance cameras here.
02:44 please add a few quotes or sources confirming that the GDPR (DSGVO) has changed very little. Thanks.
Bundesverfassungsgericht 1 BvR 2112/15, for example.
@@rewboss Thanks.
Everything wrong with the German (or any) judicial system:
Dieser blöde DIsclaimer "Ich bin nicht al Rechtsberatung qualifiziert."
Ich gehe von Thomas Morus aus, der da meinte (sinngemäß, ich bin kein vollqualifizerter Historiker und das ist alles nur von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt, falls überhaupt): Wenn Du studieren musst, um Dich mit den Gesetzen Deines Landes auszukennen, stimmt mit den Gesetzen etwas nicht.
(Reference to Utopia)
Jein. Der Unterschied ist: Wenn ich in einem Fach wie Geschichte etwas falsch erzähle, dann hast du nur eine falsche Tatsache gehört und machst dich schlimmstenfalls lächerlich, wenn du es einem erzählst, der sich besser auskennt. Wenn ich aber etwas falsches über ein Gesetz erzähle und du meinem Rat folgst, kannst du dich, wenn du Pech hast, strafbar machen.
In welchem Land, bitteschön, kann man sich ohne Studium mit seinen Gesetzen auskennen? Dass Rechtsberatung Fachleuten vorbehalten ist, ist Verbraucherschutz.
@@louismart Dass es Fachleute braucht, zu wissen, was erlaubt ist und was nicht, ----------------------
ich sehe nicht, wie Dein Einwand Morus' Sichtweise entgegensteht.
@@schwarzeseis4031 Um dich im Alltag rechtstreu zu bewegen, brauchst du kein Jusstudium. Wünschst du dir ein Rechtssystem wie zu Morus‘ Zeiten? Da war sicher manches einfacher, aber dadurch auch weniger differenziert und nach heutigen Maßstäben schreiend ungerecht.
@@louismart Und was ist heute gerecht?
Sorry für den Zynismus. Was ich meine ist: Idealerweise wären Menschen nicht so gemein zueinander, dass die Gesetze so kompliziert sein müssten. Aber die Welt ist nicht ideal, seh ich ja ein. Nur die beste, die kriegen konnten.
1:40 It's easily identifiable for policemen, or at least a sizeable section of them who have access to the registration database. To my knowledge there are no rules that effectively prevents them from misusing this access for private purposes. I've certainly heard about policemen doing this for themselves or for a friend outside the police force. So it seems the court was ill advised.
The court ruling is based on the regulations in place that forbid this kind of abuse. The data those police officers accessed is subject to privacy law, and now also the GDPR, and is strictly available only on a "need to know" basis. That some officers violate the law (and it is illegal) means that the existing rules need to be enforced better, not that new rules penalising innocent people need to be created.
reason why he was fined the minimum amount is basically to do with how the justice system and courts work, if the person is guilty then they need to pay for the crime or else those that actually have broken the law intentionally to cause grief can pull up court records and fight for either a reduced sentence or to have the entire thing thrown out because it is a carbon copy of that ruling.
That's what sucks about the laws and courts but in reality it prevents others from taking advantage of a system and making it malicious like how corrupted the U.S. system is, and I don't think the world needs to be as bad as the U.S. justice system when real heavy life changing offenders get off with just minimal or even no justice served and those that can't afford a lawyer get's a plea deal where it's 10 years for a felony over something that can be handled in many other countries with just "you're a dipshit, here's a fine and give me that"
In the end, prison is for those that are dangerous and I really don't want to be taking a truck driver off the road just because his message is for the majority "please people, be aware of your surroundings and stay safe and calm"
Some police forces in the UK actively encourage the sending of dashcam footage to them for possible traffic offences, and drivers can and are prosecuted on occasion using that evidence. Personally I don't think that is vigilantism; number plates are required, by law, precisely to allow the identification of vehicles and largely for law enforcement purposes and such things as establishing civil liability. That particular exercise I would say serves the public good.
I suppose there is the "public shaming" issue, and maybe that's what's considered to be vigilantism, but it's a bit of a stretch. But then the Germans take a peculiarly tough attitude on what is private data which can include criminal convictions.
In Polen 🇵🇱 🇪🇺 General Court gives verdict it's not necessary to blurre number plates in CZcams videos because driver cannot be easily identified by common people.
Is the law about filming or is it about publishing the video?
It's mostly about publishing it, but even just filming people without their knowledge is difficult. That's why if you have surveillance cameras in a store, you have to put up signs telling people about the surveillance cameras. You can't do that with dashcams, but that doesn't make them illegal: it just means you have to be extra careful. It's best if you have a dashcam that records on a loop, deleting old footage as it goes, and only permanently saving footage when you operate a control.
A bit of both I guess. But in general, as long as the number plates (and the vehicles) or people are not the subject of the video, they are considered "Beiwerk", in essence part of the scenery.
Pretty sure it's about the persistence in that case. It depends why and on which law you base your legitimate concern. A non-temporary surveillance always requires disclosure. But filming concealed in general is not illegal, recording sound in secret on the other hand is a big no-no. Concealed imagery (not per se surveillance) is fine unless you go into §201a StGB territory. ianal
Oh, I thought “number plate” was a Japanese made-up phrase. We also drive on the left, so that kind of makes sense.
Technically speaking a "number plate" is made by a third party on behalf of the owner (or theoretically the owner himself) to specifications set by the traffic authority while a "license plate" is issued directly by the traffic authority.
I honestly don't get why people do it for random cars, since the only thing you're recording is a certain car was in a place, and it's far from easy for most people to actually identify a person from a plate.
well, that basically comes down to pretty much the same issue as public surveillance does. yes, most people can't use the information of a surveillance camera, but does that make it OK, to just record 'everybody' in public - esp. without being notified about that fact?
@@montanus777 I wouldn't really consider them equivalent. As long as they're not really the object of your recording but just happen to be in the background, I honestly think it should be fine, otherwise you literally can't record any public space without censoring large parts of it in fear of something being recognisable - if you blur the plate, what about cars that have a very recognisable pattern of damage from an accident, for example? Would that entire vehicle have to be censored?
@@jdatlas4668 yeah, you do have a point, when it really is just about vehicles in the background. but as soon as it comes to dashcams, the other vehicles aren't 'just background' anymore, but the core element of the recording. which btw is the reason why not only the licence plates are problematic in dashcam footage, but also e.g. the ads on trucks or company vehicles.
It's not illegal to not censor the plates. Claiming that is pure bullshit!
This really is an annoyance to the German dashcam community as a whole. However, I see the difference between what kind of videos you produce and what kind of videos we produce and, judging by the fact that e.g. television broadcasts filmed in public space often aren't blurring visible number plates either, I would assume you're just fine with not blurring them.
But even then it doesn't feel like it's a 100% proof thing and most content creators who blur number plates are basically rely their actions on assumptions only. In my opinion, the German law should be much(!) clearer on what things have to be blurred - and what not. There's been a lawyer who even said that not only number plates should be blurred, but anything that makes the car identifiable. Like special stickers on the rear window etc. That feels too excessive in my opinion, on the other hand that makes us dashcam channels live in the fear to be fined one day.
I personally have gone over to replacing number plates with fictive ones in video editing, at least one or two plates in every episode. Such as "UD:CC 2021", because UD doesn't exist as a regional identifier anyways. It's a great alternative for blurring but requires a lot more time for it, which is why I don't do it on every clip.
You are only allowed to use a dash cam temporary in a special context. Permanent filming without any cause isn't allowed anyway.
@@ravanpee1325 who checks if you’re filming permanently or temporarily? If I get into a police stop I turn off the Dashcam anyway 🤷
It’s only relevant in a court case or police report for if the footage can be used in the case or not, but in that case I’d just say I’ve witnessed the things that can be seen on the footage and wouldn’t mention the footage at all
@@udcc Who checks if you mistreat your kids or your wife at home...exactly, nobody if there isn't an incident or sufficient suspicion. "Where's no prosecutor, there's no judge/court sentence"
Is dash cam footage acceptable as evidence in Germany, as far as you are aware?
Sometimes, but not always.
in this german dashcam channel on youtube, the host of the channel sometimes mentions that the police accepted the particular video he talks about at the moment as evidence.
However this is mostly the case when both parties of the crash/ accident claim that they are right.... when the dashcam shows the true culprit and thus is valueable evidence.
Or if the dashcam owner is not part of the accident and submits it from a neutral, outside standpoint.
Edit: I had read the comment before watching the video, and did then realised that rewboss talks about the channel i meant.
Afaik it is decided on a case by case. However, it still can be usefull if you can recall "everything" down to the second - thus having a good and detailed testemony.
If it is used to prove that someone else is responsible for damage done to you (like ignoring your right of way, causing an accident or someone ignoring a red light, crashing into you when you went on at a green light, or even someone taking off after bumping into your parked car) it will usually be accepted.
If you show up at the local police station, presenting a dozen of videos of people running a red light in front of you with no damage done, they will likely ask you to leave.
These laws about surveillance are flawed, in my opinion. If anyone commits a crime while being filmed without consent... , well they are still committing a crime, and I think they should be punished for that.
Imagine an abusive husband beating his wife with no eyewitnesses around. And the wife says "hold on a second, I need your consent to film you while you're beating me". Ridiculous!
No, that's not how it works.
Apart from the very unlikely scenario (a woman being abused by her husband takes out her phone to film it, her husband does nothing to stop it, and this is the only evidence she has of domestic abuse with which she immediately goes to the authorities), there's a very big difference between a surveillance camera that is constantly filming, and a camera that is activated to document something specific.
If you have a store and you put up security cameras, you also need to have signs telling people that you have security cameras. You'd want to anyhow: it acts as a deterrant in itself. But anyone entering the store needs to know they might be filmed; if they don't want to be filmed, they can choose not to enter the store.
But if you see somebody committing a crime and start filming it, even without their knowledge or consent, that can still be admissable in court as evidence.
In the case of dashcams, consent cannot be given, but that doesn't make dashcams illegal. But if you want the courts to recognize the footage you have as evidence, it's best if you have the type that records on a loop and only permanently stores the recording if you activate a control. If you just randomly film in the hope that you might catch somebody breaking the law, that's considered vigilantism and the footage might not be admissable. Or it might be, depending on the individual case.
But what is definitely not allowed is publishing the footage without taking steps to hide people's identities. If you have evidence of a crime, you should take it to the police: putting it online subjects people to vigilante justice. It's up to the courts to decide whether somebody is guilty: until then, they are innocent.
@@rewboss Thanks for your answer! In the family abuse situation, I was actually thinking of the wife pre-installing hidden surveillance cameras in the flat in the hope to record the beating and have some evidence. Would that still count as evidence for the court?
@@YuriyDavygora I don't know. But that's not how domestic abuse normally plays out: typically, the victims are terrified into doing nothing at all. Those who do find the courage to do something about it leave as soon as they can, and the evidence comes in the form of medical reports, psychiatric evaluations, witness statements, that kind of thing. Usually, the abuser controls nearly everything the victim does (spying on their internet activities, controlling their bank accounts, and so on): the victim would not be able to buy and install hidden cameras without the abuser's knowledge.
Just embrace the german and call them "identification plates" or even more acurately "recognising signs" ;)
I have lots of cars, one of them have the nr DHT120 its a swedish plate! Knock youre self out!
Did you give your German citizenship back?
No, but I am still British as well as being German.
@@rewboss That’s interesting. As an actor you would be qualified as Lord Melchett and Flossy at the same time.
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Why do you use the term "Censor" when eliminating the view of the number plate. The actual term should be "Cover Up". To me the term censor means the number plate displays something illegal. Cover up means to just not display something whether it is legal or not.
because its Called "censoring". Censoring, while USUALY done by a State organ, only means to redact, or limit, information, images or opinions in media(aka videos). Whatever its ilegal or not is irelevant , its just means to redact something under these circumstances
FUNFACT btw, the german word "zensur"/"zensieren" also means "to grade" in relation to a Students test for example, the TEacher "zensiert" the exam.
Who cares?
Funny, I would consider it exactly the other way arround: A coverup is something you do to hide something illegal, while censoring happens to something that would generaly be legal.
@@weberman173 well to be fair it IS the state organ. They are not doing it themselves but they are mandating it so it's pretty much censoring as in the classic definition I would say. "examine (a book, film, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it" They officially suppress this information by mandating.
When the artificial intelligence singularity occurs it will use your videos to track people by the registration numbers it sees in online videos. You are literally helping AI take over earth by not blurring registration numbers.
Get germanized ;)
..You have not censored ..car plates...
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"glänzen mit Halbwissen"
"posing with a half of knowledge"
cool for clearify people judgement ;)
Heads up , you can go to jail for not sensoring numberplates. get heavy fines .
Privacy laws are strict and with out concent or just reason you will be draged in to court and fined and even can go to jail .
LEARN THE EU PRIVACY LAW AND REGULATIONS