You Are Using Your Kayak Cart Wrong
Vložit
- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Help support this channel and consider donating monthly and becoming a patron. Patron's get access to exclusive content, one on one interactions, and more. / spiltmilt
Fishing kayaks seem to get heavier and heavier. Transporting your fishing kayak from your vehicle to the launch is made easier with the use of a kayak cart. Designs and models of kayak carts are as varied as fishing kayaks but placement of these carts is critical to reduce the amount of weight that the angler is burdened with holding up while pulling the kayak.
In this video I demonstrate how kayak cart placement influences the force need to keep the kayak off the ground.
Kayak Cart Featured in this Video:
- Wilderness Systems Heavy Duty Cart: amzn.to/3dngGON
As an Amazon Associate, I earn a commission from qualifying purchases made through the Amazon links. I only link products I use and recommend.
Your purchases help support this channel and the production of new content. Thank you! - Sport
Placement was definitely my issue on the first day out. It was a rough start. But I'm learning what works and doesn't. Especially with videos like this.
Foundations of basic leverage 👌👌
It's funny how easily we can forget how to work smarter, not harder. Thank you, my friend.
Wow, thanks for this incredible video. I am a 54 year old woman, trying to make things easier on my body. Waiting for the delivery of my first fishing kayak. Thanks again😁
That's great! I hope you enjoy your new kayak.
Very cool demo! I love how you quantify to prove your points quite indisputably whenever possible.
Can't argue with maff!!!
Very happy you made this video. Saves me a lot of unnecessary weight that I don’t have to carry.
This is an excellent video... i really appreciate the time it took to do this.. I just encountered a health issue and this is exactly what I'm struggling with. Thank you.
Well done video. Thanks. I was watching for cart designs and this is helpful.
Outstanding video! Very informative, clear and to the point! Thank You for sharing! I am a new subscriber!
Thanks for this great tip. Just got a kayak and cart. This video seriously just made my life easier. Thanks for making this video!
I am 76 and struggle with walking.I also put the wheels more central. Thirty years ago I would flip my canoe over my head , rest it on my shoulders and walk away. Ugh! Old age sucks.
Great video. Just bought a kayak cart today. Very helpful.
Great presentation. Thank you for the tutorial. Keep up the great work.
Plain and simple tutorial. Thanks. I appreciate the info.
I am today years old when I heard this! Brilliant mate!
Wow! Thanks for this info. I’m a 67 yr old woman and wondering how I was going to get my bigfish 103 pdl to the lake.
Very nice video! I always had this thought running through my head, thank you for showing us. I’m looking to find one for my Vibe Seaghost 110.
SCIENCE!
Thanks for explaining it easily with tangible results displayed clearly.
Thank you for your video! Thanks to it, I know the best position to load my kayak onto the cart.
You make great informative vids , thanks for your time.
Thank you man this was very informative and cool to watch
Very cool video, very informative for a new kayaker like myself
Cool video! I don't think I've ever seen anyone explain this. Thanks for sharing!
great lesson i have been hauling my 120 auto sport and felt w disabilities this was impossible to actually get to/on the water, but now feel this is so much more durable under the mid handle, i like the wilderness cart better than malone cart
Great video. I was just taking measurements to build my kart and was going to put it just behind the seat. Guess ill be moving to under the seat. Thumbs up on your video.
Thanks, very useful info and makes sense to apply it out there. I'm thinking of making a vest harness that connects to a clip strap to the bow to make it almost zero, lol
Great presentation & demo!
THAT! Was a great video!! Very informative!
Great demo! Thank you!!!
Thank you for the advice.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I have a PDL 120 and have not been a fan of the bow handle. The stern handles are so much more comfortable. Using your demonstration I may come to like my bow handle. Thanks for the video!!!
Good presentation. You are correct that some experimentation is warranted. The optimal position for balance may not be optimal for fitting the cart to the bottom of the kayak and, as you demonstrated, additional gear can change the balance as well. Speaking of additional gear, it should be remembered that it may be necessary to be able to pull/control this 'trailer' while going up and down hills, etc.
Great educational video on using the cart properly. I am 64 and just bought my first kayak. While I’m loving the kayak on the water, it is labor intensive for me to carry a 37 pound ( yes, you read correctly) kayak. Thanks for helping me.
Mine is 60 lbs, and I am 69
Excellent scientific methodolgy, my man!
Thanks for intel boss, very helpful.
Great demonstration.
Wow this is amazing thanks for this
That is a brilliant review and info thank you. I will be putting my wheels on my sit on top in the middle 😊
Fantastic information! Thanks!
Great stuff man!
Wow. I just bought an Old Town 120 PDL and this is very helpful.
Awesome demo! Very helful!!
Great demonstration!
Great idea for a video!
Who knew? I would've just continued plodding along with my cart out back.
Thank you, that'll save me some arm pumping power to land all those monsters!!!
Bravo! Très belle vidéo, images très claires
Great video thanks for sharing
This is exactly why I swapped out the Malone for the WS cart. The Malone never settled right in the optimal area to be placed for my Sportsman PDL 120.
Good point, needed said!
Great Demo!!
Thanks for doing this 💯🤝🏼
Thanks for the great tip
Great video. Thank you.
Just recently I saw a guy in a vessel very similar to your electric Old Town kayak on a local lake here in the U.P. of Michigan. When I went back to the boat lunch I talked to the guy and he informed me that it was the same Old Town set up that you use and mentioned something about an Old Town Forum. I was very surprized in how big and heavy it was (150 lbs). He used a Jet Ski trailer to transport it on. And, we both marveled at how you are able to transport yours on top of your Subaru!?
Thanks for sharing!
that totally makes sense TY
I’ve literally just purchased a set of wheels for my kayak and first time out I put them at one end. What a fool! Thanks for sharing this, I definitely won’t make the same mistake again 🙂
Hey how's it going man. Happy fourth of July to you man I hope you had a good one. Good video man I like how you demonstrate the weight on the scale where you put the kayak cart at. This is very good for new beginner kayaks. Keep up the good work man this is definitely a like 👍. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Wish I woulda watched this before I had to pull mine back and forth up and down a hill to the lake. Lol
I still get this question at least three times a day. I consider that good as it tells me our sport is growing.
Thank you so much for this. I have wheels that are made to plug into my Hobie kayak in one position only - which is behind the seat. The kayak is 73lbs and it's very heavy, awkward pull down my street to the dock. I was wondering if backloading it with a cooler, the removable seat, the pedal mechanism, etc, might help tilt the balance of the weight in my favor and you just answered that. I'm going to try it out and see if it lightens it enough. Thanks again!!!!
good vid! helpful
Great video...thanks!
Thank you great video
I have the exact same kayak and wilderness systems cart. Just need to do both methods once with a fully loaded kayak to know what you’ve said is fact!
Thank you!!!
Great video for a noob like me. Thanks.
#physics #pendulumaction. Great tutorial! Wish I could do this with my pontoon boat.
I only have 2 college degrees and educational background in engineering and physics, but I was still able to figure this out on my own 😁 It is amazing how effortless it feels when you get the wheels positioned just right. I just bought a PA and unloading it from my truck to the garage was easy, almost felt weightless. But I’m pretty sure no matter where I put the wheels, it’s gonna feel heavy pulling it up an incline though. Another great informative video of the small things some people take for granted, Tyler 👍
I have 0 College Degrees and Heavy is Heavy. And a PA14 or even a PA12 is are Heavy Tanks. Hull weight on PA 14 120.5 and fitted 144.5 if you put in your gear your talking 200+Pounds that's a Fat Heffer No matter where you put the wheels.
If I had a PA, Iid just wet launch off a trailer!
Common sense. Thanks for showing I have been doing it right all along.
Brilliant!
Great video. I have honestly never seen anyone using a cart at the stern, that doesn't make any sense. Glad you are showing people how to use it the right way, but I am shocked people do it wrong.
Story of my life lol. I own large and heavy Predator PDL. Initially I went with boondox landing gear with inflatable wheels. Soon I realized that while inflatable wheels are probably beneficial on sand they make yak easily flippable if run over something on hard pavement. Or almost impossible to install on yak in the water. So I replaced them with c-tug sand trakz. Well then I realized that because they so back and close to stern I carry so much weight so I begun loading everythihng to the back of yack and assembling just before getting into water. Now I'm thinking I just need to get a small cart that i can pun underneath in the middle of yak and be done with it. Oh and remove 10 lbs of landing gear. Less is more.. Happy fishing everyone.
Thank you so much for the demo, I appreciate the clarity, seriously. Could you tell me where you got your block and tackle system? i saw you lock it off with ease and I could totally use one of those. Feel free to direct message me. Thanks, Blake.
I am glad I have scupper holes almost directly in the middle of my yak. Made my own kayak scupper hole cart and I don’t think I have to pick up even 10 lbs of weight. Good video!
LOL no one told you yet that you will destroy your kayak by using a scupper cart???????? Seriously don't do it
my kayak is very heavy and I had all kinds of trouble with this situation (too heavy for me to lift so high to hit middle and my rudder is at risk of damage in the rear. it was easier to get the bar cart tied to the kayak just behind the seat while still on the trailer pull it down mostly off the trailer preventing ground contact with the rudder then lift the nose onto another set of wheels and tie it securely below my 2 batteries in the front compartment. Haha 4 wheels is the bomb and both fit in the rear plenty room on my 13ft Brooklyn kayak with trolling motor and blue floaties sticking way out but way back and out of the way. I have a 140c hummingbird dual beam fish finder and a fish finder I can cast up to 400 feet and watch a wireless screen in front of me. I rolled my kayak around my block to test the wheels and told everyone it was my new emotional support kayak
I have a catch 130 and just bought the CTug and put it on the back....omg I was exhausted by the time I got it to the water from the parking lot lol I was barring all the weight on my arms and the front holder
The kayak handles are placed at the center point unloaded.
Does it matter which direction your cart is turned? I just got a Bonnlo and the kickstand always messes people up. Should the kickstand go in front (i.e. the direction you're traveling) or go toward the rear, away from the direction you're going? Also--thank you for teaching me this weight distribution thing! I'm elderly. I used to kayak a lot, then moved to Chicago where that river will kill you--not with white water, with fumes! But now I moved to coastal Texas and got a 50 pound kayak and this is going to make up for my diminution of strength! I can't wait! Thanks for thinking to tell us!
Thanks
I also found out that throwing the pedal drive in the aft end for carting helps tremendously.
Yes that would shift the load from your arm to your cart. That's a good tip.
Squirrel alert, just off of the port bow in the brush line, at 1:34!
Black Walnut ...
Good video by the way~
The taxonomist in me is hard to suppress.
Great tip, but havent you now greatly limited your lifting angle?
Great video showing the pressure difference. I have the wilderness cart for my AP 120. The most difficult part is lifting up the rear of the kayak up high enough to get the cart in the middle. This is especially difficult if your kayak is loaded up with gear and your kayak is in the water. Any tips or suggestions?
I will slide the cart up underneath the kayak while its in the water. This works really well at boat ramps.
@@spiltmilt thanks for the tip I will try that next time. I assume you strap the cart to kayak while in the water to keep in the correct position.
Buy a lighter Kayak 🤣😂 the AP is Heavy Heffer
I have an Old Town PDL 106 and the Wilderness cart. I am still struggling with getting the thing out of the water. Launching it is easy-peasy. Recovering, not so much. I hate blocking the boat ramp as well, especially on busy days! Did you ever get a technique down when taking your kayak out of the water? Getting the cart underneath is usually easy enough but if you don't lock it down it will slide off every damned time.
Looks like amazon is out of the Wilderness Systems cart with flat free wheels. It looks like they still have the version with Inflatable Beach Wheels (if you also want to link that in your description).
Do you know if there is a substantial downside to using the beach wheels on not the beach? I assume the main points are a lower weight limit and possibly popping the tires. Thanks again!
The beach wheels have lesser clearance between the kayak and the cart as well.
So if you have hills you need to pull the kayak up, should you position the weight closer to the front and vice versa?
I discovered this by necessity early on but I've always wondered why it's always portrayed incorrectly in kayak and cart advertising photos.
The only kayak cart to use is the wilderness systems cart. It's got a 500 lb rating and works on all boats. Yes it's expensive but it's worth it.
Under so circumstances should anyone use one's that go into the scupper holes, even if they are put out by a boat manufacturer. They stress the weakest part of the boat, especially when going over uneventful terrain.
Show me how you get it back in from the water and out of the water that’s where it’s difficult
Would think this is basic physics, but it wasn't until I saw our neighbor walk a canoe with the wheels in the back. Once I helped him maneuver the wheels over the center he was like "oh man this is fantastic".
What weight would you get if you placesd the Kayak cart at the balance point? Would there be any disadvantages to that?
Amazing how many folks don’t understand what center of gravity is lol. Cool vid, well done.
Must be Gen Z ers 🤣😂
The problem is all my beer goes in the front hatch so it's always heavy
Hi, have you seen a wheel system that can be deployed without tipping or unloading and carry a fully loaded pa 14 that won’t risk cracks in hull?
I have not
I’ve tried to tell people about this so many times 😂
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can never get mine on properly. I always cause an embarrassing scene because it falls off on the side of the road lol
Great video. I don't understand how this isnt common sense to everyone. Additionally, I always hear about people having problems with the c-tug cart- would love to understand why.
C tug is due to shape of tug vs shape of the kayak and placement … quick mod fix mod for the tug is placing some pool noodles on the inboard top portion of each pad to help fill the void or make a catch lip the tunnel can ride on also 2-3” pvc pipe cut to size of the pad can be used in place of noodles .. bungees with two anchor points in each side instead of the strap works too keep it in place too
The strap is a nasty little pain in the ass. And the kickstand doesnt function as designed. Soon as you move kayak on it it lets go. And the pads drop to ground. So requires alot of fiddling. To get placement anywhere near sweet spot on my double kayak requires 2 people and me laying on ground to do it. Might add some pvc pipe with pool noodles to hel with centring. Also its not very wide so is awkward to locate or see if its straight. Many times i pull it crooked as dont have patience for pissing about.
Basically find close to center of balance for weight
Yes, I think you presented well this effect of the pivot point on the force of moment. Of course this can be complicated by the slope of the ground which creates an additional vector force regardless of where the pivot point is located.
No the slope of the ground has nothing to do with any of this
Tyler what cart is that? I have a pdl 120 and that just looked to easy to set up, putting straps around it to hold things together or just gravity? Thanks
Wilderness Systems Heavy Duty Cart: amzn.to/3dngGON
@@spiltmilt gravity works great on dry flat land... but my experience is that the cart will slide backwards or even out completely (if underwater) if the ramp or terrain is even slightly bumpy and on an incline (most kayak launch spots!), especially in the water, where water helps slide/flush the cart out from underneath. the wilderness cart comes with light straps that can be wrapped around the cart easily enough to hold it tight in place under the seat, so the weight is centered as tyler has perfectly demonstrated here in his video. on the ap120 i believe there is a small scupper under the battery hold, that you can pre-rig with the straps. you just have to develop a routine (much in the way tyler explains in many of his excellent tutorial vids) and practice rigging the cart this way with the straps.
Quit talking physics 😁💯👍... good job, I've been waiting for people to figure this out. The hardest spot is when you're lifting the kayak nose up to the truck bed the rear hits the ground quicker and it's a bitch. But I really do think you've pinpointed some good advice.