“Bonkers” | Mike Graham Slams Rishi Sunak For Announcing National Service In Britain
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
- Rishi Sunak’s announcement that he would introduce mandatory national service for 18-year-olds if he returns to Number 10 dominated the fourth day of campaigning for the General Election.
Meanwhile, Labour and the Tories accused each other of absenteeism on the campaign trail.
International border and security expert Henry Bolton joins Talk’s Mike Graham to discuss this further.
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Would be a good idea if the country was worth fighting for.
Exactly 💯%
Plenty of jobs in the armed forces that don't involve fighting.
He will certainly win see the bigger picture:
Left Brexit got Indian prime minister for cheaper labour and under his influence to weaken Indian and Russian relations.
Brining back national service to create bigger army to get ready to fight against Russia collectively with other EU members and Nato members!!
Excactly !
Not plenty of jobs in the army full stop. Only about 79000 iirc
Who wants to fight for criminals
Well said
Exactly xx the richest and powerful stay home giving orders to others. After who will help the soldiers?? After?
@@estelaferreira9495 Become the richest & most powerful then so you can give the orders & help the soldiers. Nothing stopping you but your fear & laziness.
@@estelaferreira9495there are always comfy and safe. Whilst everyone else rakes risks and they get fat and richer.
As a 10 year veteran "NO" send your sons and daughters by force to serve a country that neglects them, a society thats despises them, a government that forgets them. Stay in school kids
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Thankyou......❤
Society despises everyone's son's and daughters? What world do you live in, fake veteran bs
And how many kids do you have
@@michaeljago4869 3.... how many do you have?...
Who wants to fight for a country what's made it a crime to be english.
Exactly!
"what's". Fucking hell, try and get a grasp on the language.
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Crime to be w
What on earth are you waffling on about. Or is this another racist même?
"How to lose an election in 30 seconds" by Rishi Sunak.
Doing the country a favor by further showing why people shouldn't vote for the tories.
Or perhaps he doesn’t want to be war time prime minister. Something is coming, it’s already been revealed
He will win
Ukraine is not genocide dickhead.
Sunak is determined to lose so he can move off to a tax haven somewhere and enjoy the income from companies he has given lucrative contracts to while in office
Tories losing to Labour always was the WEFs plan....🤔😳🙄🇬🇧
How are they going to get Muslims to enrol. 😂 🇬🇧
We haven't needed national service for decades. All we have ever needed is prosperous jobs and opportunity without bias, identity politics and toxic policies.......yet we have had those things in abundance the last decade. Almost like its been by design.
"serve the war machine"
Oh look you must be talking about PUTIN!!!
How many indigenous people would even want to serve a country that puts its own people last. Not forgetting we are being invaded daily from France
You mean tourist?
@@cosmicmusicreynolds3266 If your definition of a tourist is the kind of person who leaves women and children behind to sponge off the uk and generally turn the UK into a dump then yes 🙄🙄
Nobody fights for Lying criminals.
Just when you thought the little runt couldn't make himself look even more ridiculous....
Nobody wasn’t war, everyone wants to live a good life ffs
There's an irony here that National service is a popular idea with older voters who themselves have never done it. You'd have to be 85 years old to have done national service.
Always seems to be the way.
This Sunak destroyed the UK
And all the other WEF puppets
No boris johnson did that and sunak just finished it.
He is not in charge he is been told what to do
Along with Blair, brown, Cameron, may
WAIT TO STARMER GETS IN😂😂
If this will be mandatory will it include the Sunak kids😂
Dont be daft!
No none of the elite kids
They will be living in Singapore 🇸🇬
All about CONTROL!!!!
How can you bring back national service if it’s not mandatory and if you can just refuse to do it. What a joke
They can't refuse to do it, they'll be arrested, along with their parents and extended family when the police try and drag those kids from their homes
They will make it mandatory later after they are elected.
@@VMM34 if that happens then the fabric of the country will collapse. Expect rioting mass conflict. People will not stand for being slaves to the military industrial complex.
@@VMM34 There's not enough room to put the amount of People who Will say No Volunteering Their Son's and Daughter's this time around. I also doubt We'll have ladies posting envelopes containing White Feathers 😘❤️🙏
they can try. Bring it on. I will protect my kids, by any means.
Zelensky says "we need more man power"
Then all of a sudden Rishi calks for national service
Put two and two together.
They cant even get them to go to work let alone do national service ,its a joke
That’s the parent’s job. They’re not a nanny service, and the sooner people realise that the government/schools aren’t to blame because they brought their kids up with no morals, values, pride or work ethic the better….
@Mark-kh1ny who's allowed idiots to teach kids they may be in the wrong bodies or that their suffering mental illnesses ,anxiety depression to the point they don't want to work ,who decided to make them stay at school til they are 18 when they could be doing work ,when did most people start work ,16
Not all kids are the same. How ignorant are you.
Yes there are some that work and fair play to them but there are a lot that can't be bothered 😕
@deanjames2476 Yeah just like old sods in society. Where did alot of them learn a benefits culture to sit on the dole? The old folk. In general most people try and work and get on in life. Those with anything about them do. My kids have a great work ethic and will do well on their own volition and will not be serving in the FN military. Old codgers can judge what they like as well. Today is a different ball game. The UK cost of living is insane, created by the Tories, profiteering off the back of manufactured global instability. The Tories take almost all of the low to mid level skilled workers pay every month. People don't get fun extras like holidays and as a homeowner myself I can also see, it has been made extremely difficult for folk to try and own their homes now as well. How can kids save for a future when almost every last penny is taken? All issues that the boomers and older generations never faced, yet sit back in judgement, whilst the young who do work today pay almost everything from their pay packet for your kind to sit and judge on the take. Barely getting by as well. No extras at all, no fun days our for family, just total grind. Some kids see that and don't see any benefit to themselves. The government has to make it pay to work. Some working people work full time and barely make more than they woykd on benefits. There is something very wronf in that. Its by design and to keep folk down. Stop judging and try actually understanding the issues.
Will never happen cos that Kn ob Sunak is finished. Bye Bye Rishi
Andrew Bridgen MP has already revealed in a podcast the reason why a snap election and national service has surfaced
That fraud 😂
Why? Please do tell us
We are already at war with Russia just not been announced yet
@@fatema5829 we are already in one, it just hasn’t been announced yet
Which is why?
Paraphrasing: "A 16 year old is too uninformed to vote". The arrogance and ignorance. Old enough to fight in the army, old enough to work and pay taxes, but not mature enough to vote? Talking about "Bonkers".
It's rubbish the UK military need to remain a professional force who are paid well to remain in. What next Dads Army?
muslims will be at the front ready to join and fight for the country they love so much...
the free Palestine protest gives you plenty of hope that many recruits are just waiting to sign up.. .
How bout Jews ?
@@GeneralGuileWarzonell im sure with morals the jews have they will be there ready to sign up as well... i take it you will sign up and fight for your country ???
@@GeneralGuileWarzonell with the morals the jews have i have no doubt they will be ready to sign up...
i take it you will be signing up to fight for your country ?
lets sort mental health care out first. a bunch of unstable young adults thrown into war sounds stupid.
Sunak trying to play the fear factor again, This is what all this is about.
People who are not at the conscription age should not decide about conscription, which conveniently doesn't affect their lives, careers and choices in life. I had to do conscription in my country, it took 2 years out of my young life. It's not only the service time, but you prepare your life in the months before and can't follow your dreams yet. If you want to study afterwards, depending on when you are relieved, you might have to wait another few months before your new study starts, as it was in my case.
That's what makes me uncomfortable with this.
I don't think I could vote yes to something my own generation wasn't expected to do.
Under which flag Brits army will fight : Union Jack or Rainbow ?
Under Ukraine 🇺🇦 and NATO
THE BUTCHERS APRON 😢
Snowflake alert! Man gets upset by some bright colours 😂
He will certainly win see the bigger picture:
Left Brexit got Indian prime minister for cheaper labour and under his influence to weaken Indian and Russian relations.
Brining back national service to create bigger army to get ready to fight against Russia collectively with other EU members and Nato members!!
Well, we are already fighting under the USA/ISRAEL flag, so we should be used to it. The ill informed will say, they are our allies, though. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Idiots.
This isn't a policy announcement to win an election. This is a policy announcement to keep pensioners (who didn't do national service themselves) voting Tory instead of drifting off to vote Reform.
It will probably work.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Tories spent the last 14 years weakening the military including the recent wokifying that is discouraging the normal entrants from applying. People can see this and the sharpest would actually be wondering if sunak is deliberately trying to lose Doing a may. Remember she came up with bizarre policies that directly attacked her older mainstays , when she called a completely unnecessary election .
Sunak may be doiing a scorched earth on the way out.
The Nordic states have strict Labour laws banning such things as zero hour also offshoring profits in Norways case and a centre left managed economy with well funded services + a border with Russia.
The National Service does not work very well in Finland.
Male Finns are expected to carry out a duration in the military that can last for 6 months to on year.
Female Finns are totally voluntary. A big discussion started a few years back where the National Anti-Discrimination Office leader publicly stated she (a useless politician) was opposed to women also having to do national service, especially because she was against her daughter having to go to the army.
The people who do their service state that the boredom is awful, and they are constantly waiting for some activity. The regular army who are tasked with training those who appear for their service also find the task boring and they are relatively uninterested in actually carrying out the tasks.
An example of this is the lack of actual proper equipment. For example, a person measuring 2.14 metres tall stood at the clothing and bedding service point. He eas towering above the hole in the wall and was given clothing and bedding which when he put on he found it was several sizes too small. When he went back to the hole in the wall, the guy giving oit the stuff looked up at him and said "Why didn't you tell me you are above average size?" The guy also had to run around the forest in Wellington Boots, which are standard military issue (have you tried running in Wellington Boots? His boots were 3 sizes too small because they did not have his size in boots. Also, the are not given waterproof sleeping bags, instead they are given old blankets, and his blanket was too small which meant either his uor lower half was cold.
Persons who refuse their national service, which is nowadays a very high percentage and perfectly acceptable in today's society in Finland (not before), are then given one year of public service in the form of, e.g. hospital duties, university duties, etc. At first, one thinks this is good retribution, however, these people receive 'cigarette money" as it is termed in Finkand, i.e. peanuts, which means hospitals, universities, etc. get bery cheap labour for a year, and then new people for the consecutive years, which results in a seriously distorted job market.
Equally, young men who serve for, e.g. one year, are paid peanuts and pay no taxes, whereas if they were in the normal job market being paid normal pay and paying taxes and using market services, etc. the result on the economy is positive.
National Service may have been am option in the pre 1970s, but nowadays it is outdated, negative to the economy, mentsl illness creating, discriminatory (women will also have to serve?), and of little interest to regular army personnel who would be tasked with training the NS personnel.
It works very well is Israel.
The final nail on the coffin of a dinosaur party that is on it's way of being ousted in the elections.
Stupid idea. It would cost a fortune and meet massive resistance. The armed services have said, repeatedly, they don't want it.
call it welfare to work unpaid
Will they jail Republicans in Northern Ireland who refuse to join the army?
Community cohesion?
I believe my career in the Royal Marines lifted me out of my poor working class childhood and provided the strength of character to enable me to be successful in life.
But did you choose to do that or were you conscripted?
And the Royal Marines are a professional organisation - not just a bunch of conscripts.
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One of my postings was as a drill instructor at Commando Training Centre.
It was my job to take young men and make commandos of them.
Conscripts can, for the most part can be trained and given self assurance.
But you chose to join the RMs Rob. You took the decision to walk through the front door of the AFCO and put your name on the dotted line for 9 months training. Mandating people with no inclination to join the military in any shape or form to do 12 months service I don't believe will provide that transformative experience and re-benchmarking of what determination is like voluntarily joining the RMs, or similar would do. My view, I'll admit. Some people may find that but i would suggest it would be a small number.
I imagine many dads are getting prepared to take a stand if need be.
Rishi on about national service, he wouldn't be on the front lines fighting for this country. He'd be busy swanning about like he's the hero
I wouldn't trust a man who can't afford a razor despite earning a fortune and wearing posh suits that are not big enough for him...
They want fodder for the front line.
I have to say, it works quite well for Switzerland, and they're a neutral country, with more guns per capita than the USA
But no British (or Commonwealth) Government trusts civilians with gun ownership now.
Why not call it "slave labour" as you don't want to pay them to do civil services !
There are plenty of over 16 year olds who don't have a clue but still have the right to vote.
Ditto over 40s !
Are politicians completely out of touch?? It's not a good thing at all taking away your citizenship personal choice
I'm truly baffled, are they insane??
Rishi if you want to do something impressive just resign NOW.
Hand the keys to No.10 over to Richard Tice. Arrange for him to meet the King. And confess to the public that you were in the wrong job.
No laughter please.
😂😂😂 Richard tice.
He was in the right job for his intentions, which was to change policies to favour his and his families investments. Moderna is one example. Nothing he has done has been for the benefit of the country.
Yes but, who the f*** is Richard Tice
His mate down the pub@@DanBeech-ht7sw
Oh Tice.....another establishment stooge that contributed to lockdown and coercion.......no thanks
In other words the tax payer now has to discipline the new generations because their parents couldnt
It's same old same old dump on the young as usual
@@SlowhandGreg Welcome to the UK were we sell off our young to pay for the retirement age folk, it's no wonder the youngsters hate the older generation.
BS. My kids are smart, well disciplined and will go to Uni. One is doing aero space engineering apprenticeship already. Theu will not be made to do this. I will not allow it.
Would this National Service also be for women, trans genders, amputees, ethnic religious abstainers, farmers, BLM, just stop oil protesters, MP's college graduate off-spring, smokers, pro Palestinians, dinghy boat people, dual nationality Europeans and prison miscreants (lawyers) - it would have to be a fair agenda - as it must be seen to be a diverse choice system?
Half the country is on the sick too. Will they be excused?
Good idea! Get them ready to fight the boat people.
No way !
Who are we fighting exactly and when and why, all a joke
VOTE REFORM
NOOOOOOOO
Who is earning money off war it's not anybody who pays for it in tax😂😂
The guy is absolutely detached from reality.
Volunteer your child for the upcoming meat grinder with Russia?
I can’t wait to see all the reactions once Labour have been in power for a while. People say it can’t be any worse. I promise not to say I told you so.
If Israel has a right to defend itself so has Russia.
Russia does if Russia is attacked, unfortunately for your arguement that's not what happened in Ukraine.
Who attacked Russia?
@@dextercool Ukraine
Blaming Ukraine for attacking Russia is like blaming Poland for being invaded by Hitler at the start of World War 2.
Russia has raised the nazification of the donbas since 2008 and Ukraine and the west chose to completely ignore the threat... For Russia to take action against the pretenders in charge makes a lot of sense, unfortunately us in the west are largely hidden from the truth about it all, but we'll keep being as ignorant as possible en masse
Wants our kids to go wave the national flag in Russia but you can't wave it in London.
Sunak needs to go Keir can't be trusted he's a liar
Get sunkak out
Lets hope these two get called up first.
Well, maybe it's a good idea to get young men into the military for about a year. It may give them some responsibility and sense of patriotism , instead of not knowing whether they are male or female.😮 It may give them a backbone. Toughen them up.
Oh pipe down, we haven't needed anything like this prior to the plandemic and the toxic politics we have seen the last decade or so. Maybe look to those who have been making policy and been at the forefront of toxic politics then maybe come to correlation of where the issues stem from.
@@sunsearching2912 😄😄 scared, hey?
I agree 👍
Discipline and Respect
My dad says army makes a man of him discipline and respect and self control something these young ones have not got
Bonkers is a polite word for this!
Don't panic corporal sunak
The tory's are trying to fix a mess they created catch the horse when its bolted these people are clueless😅
Wheres talk tv gone now..,we can't seem to get it on our TV screens anymore
Shut down a month or two ago
Scrap that make all 14 to 18 year olds do the Duke of Edinburgh awards build up team work and skills and the systems are all ready in place
No, forcing people because of your ideology is a stupid idea
@@SlowhandGreghaving the opportunity available is different from forcing
Defend our borders first Sunak.
They do not know whats going on at 16 years old? But at 18 years old its ok to conscript them into the armed forces!
I will not comply
Not me or mine will fight for Britainstan all these people saying yes send your kids and also go yourself
Spot on mate. No way in hell would I protect those anti-British idiots protesting every Saturday.
Creating soldiers to fight against Russia thats why asked king charlie for earlier election and they say riyal family not involved in politics!
I done 2 years national service 1957/59 and it was great time of my life, it didn't do me any harm, some of to-days 18 year old's can't wipe there own ARSEnal.
Our youngest are so busy protesting for other countries instead of supporting their own, they will wake up one day ,to find their country is lost to isl,,,,,,,it’s, especially when Starmer gets in,
this is 2024 move on we are going backwards with this so much for living in a free country which I thought the wars in the past were about or was that just a waste we are not at war
Really you are an 84 year old chatbot? Impressive.
@@spikeychris 😅😅 I wish I was 84, I'm hanging on , 86 in June.
Well said
Where s the 2 .5 billion coming from to fund this, bankrupt councils and NHS 3 million using food banks , where's the money for these needs.
The Nordic countries also have for higher tax rates and public spending: expecting the same results from national service in the UK is unrealistic
you carnt take away everybodys gun and weapons,,them expect they to fight for the government
‘Not a bad idea’ 🤡🤡🤡
Community service is a great idea. As an employer I would be impressed if this was on a CV.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 Duke of Edinburgh award already exists. Non policy to appeal to the hard of thinking elderly voters
Fight for British Pirates😢😢😮
Why do you need an amy when we have a nuclear deterrent. Beside tanks do not like missiles.
This would have been a great idea in 1995 when we had homogeneous demographics
Is this perhaps because for years kids have had to go to university, take on debt, because there were no jobs for them in the past, Took millions off the unemployment figures for years. Bubble has burst, there are still no jobs for most when they get a degree. Conscription is just another way to keep unemployment down.
If its planned properly then 2 or 3 years in the military would not be a bad thing however due to this country's attitude towards its working class by governments that dont care then it wont work.
I spent 5 years in the Royal Navy and had a great time and was proud to wear the uniform, but these days i would not do it again because of what this country as become
Did choose to do it or were you conscripted. Something tells me the PM's children would be exempt or will find a nice cosy number in Harrods for a day.
@mrkeithmorgan1 I joined in 1990 of my own accord' I loved it and saw active service. But I'd never lay my life down again after the way us common people are treated
@mrkeithmorgan1 and if my son said Dad, I saw the medals you won and I want them too I would say Son I'm proud that you said that' but' I want you to live and live what you have.....thats the biggest medal you can receive, you can wear it everyday on your chest inly it will be invisible.
It's pride
There is no country,it has been replaced.
The country as it was ,was filled with a united values, this land is now filled with people of different values.
Try telling a community where 80% don't work for sudo religious reasons.
Seems they have a street fight to do first.
no 16 yer old is political they haven't lived in the UK long enough to understand what it takes to pay bills ,work etc. thay are the children that need protection .
3:08 '...these wars tend to go on and use up a lot more resources....'
For 'resources' read' young men.'
It's against their human rights to be called up
I think Rishi wants to make absolutely sure the Tories don't get elected. He's either got something better lined up or more likely the mess is so great he wants to off load the job ASAP.
18yrs old and older? Sorry I haven’t read into this enough
So maybe we give 16 year olds the right to vote and actually teach them about politics, taxation, finances etc so they are actually ready for life instead of the way we leave almost everybody unprepared through an inadequate education system that places 0 importance on actual life skills.
In the 50's Judges gave criminals a choice, either join one of the 3 services or go to jail, in 83 we were offered the choice of conscripts, we absolutely rejected this idea, and why should the armed forces be saddled with the upbringing of unruly kids who have no respect for authority or anyone other than themselves, or the dregs of society. It is not the Armed forces responsibility to raise Unruly kids because the parents can not and have failed or even criminals, we are a Voluteer force and one volunteer is much better than 10 pressed men, and would any of you walk into a hostile zone with a conscript of this nature not knowing if he/she will stand with you or tuck tail and run?? And a Reminder we went almost 8000 miles(Falklands) and 900 mostly conscripts surrendered to 90 of our Para's. We only want people who WANT to serve and be part of our forces, That's what makes us one of the best respected forces on this planet. And successive governments have totally disrespected exactly what they have at their fingertips, We have always been there for our country and always will our oath of alliegence dies with us, but governments need to show us some goddam respect and start supplying us with what we need to do the job!!!
Who would want to fight for the uk when rishi anialates young people
Well as the Tories got rid of 40% of our equipment and our combined military forces in 2010 was 350 thousand whats it now 70 thousand because rishi sunak has consistently pulled funding from everything
Fancie resigning early that will put your 20% down to 15%
National service that is voluntarily Mandatory 😂 It'll never happen 😂🤣😂
The Germans did not call it 'conscription', they called it 'Wehrpflicht' (duty to defend). This was abolished many years ago, as it was, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the resulting collapse of the Soviet Union, no longer seen as necessary and it was also horrendously expensive. It's not just the pay for each soldier, but you need an entire military infrastructure: Accommodation, food, administration, medical services, etc, etc etc. You also need to provide uniforms and military hardware. Then you need to make sure that no individual with sinister intend will join. You wouldn't want to give a rifle with life ammo to anyone who supports any extremist group, would you? To reinstate any form of obligatory military, or otherwise, conscription-like entity would not only cost a fortune, but oodles of planning and the necessary personnel, but Mr Sunak does it all via TikTok 🙂
Sunak your gone .
This is Sunak basically saying these kids need a kick up their backsides. Who the hell does he think he is forcing kids to do unpaid work.And more or less 'Shanghaiing' them into the armed forces. Sooner the voters vote him out the better. Insulting the younger generation for a few votes. Disgrace.
They should have a national service, training youngsters how to get off of their arses, rather that going to Uni to do pointless degrees for jobs that don't exist! In the real world we call those apprenticeships!
Fishi should set an a example by booking his daughters into a boot camp or empty potties in a care home-but he wont!
You sound like alf garnett 😂
If the jobs dont exist just remember who been in charge for the last 14 years.
You bad person
Unless you are over 80 you didn't do national service either...
Oh yeah your going to get people to fight for this country your joking yourselves
The concept of National Service has to be thought through properly! Where is the money to come from to finance the training, accommodation, weapons etc., when the military budget has been cut year after year! Increase proposed to 2.5% of GDP over the next 5 or 6 years, is derisory and completely inadequate, even discounting the possibility of National Service.
All the middle classes claiming it bonkers because they live in a secure bubble. Look outside that bubble identify the anti social behaviour identity the disadvantage kids who have no security and stability at home they desperately need guidance and direction. This opportunity could potentially stop another drifter joining gangs selling drugs to more middle classes and ending up dead. Giving opportunity to young people who might not want to go to university or college is a must they will gain much needed confidence motivation and support new skills.