The TRUTH about SATURATED FATS!- Doctor Reacts
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- Are butter & cheese killing you? 🧀☠ Are you jeopardizing your health if your keto or carnivore diet includes plenty of saturated fat? Watch Dr. Westman react to another doctor making unscientific claims about saturated fat.
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Yes very helpful Thank You 🙂👍 -70SomethingGuy
Dr. Gil has always been a carbon copy of any mainstream guidelines. Excellent & helpful video Dr. Westman!
He's horrendous. he pretends to be impartial, but he's so transparent
I haven't eaten so much fat in all my life these last 4mths & I've lost 60lbs. I've only been carnivore for 6 wks the rest of the time I was keto & ketovore. There were many months where I struggled with keto. I don't struggle with carnivore.
The first time I did keto, I signed up for a service that planned my menus for me. I learned a few good dishes from it, but oh my goodness they made me eat a TON of leafy greens. It was really hard to stick to sometimes. I've done carnivore for three weeks so far, and it has been so easy!
Congratulations on your success. How's your LDL, LDL-P, ApoB?
Yay another Gil roasting!
Before I get into the video, my guess is that he doesn't care about how the study was funded.
I made the same point...WHO funds the studies?
Oh my lord, he brings up the Canadian Healthy Plate. I've lived in Canada for my entire life and if I can tell you one thing about Canada, it's that industry and its lobbyists have even more control over our laws and guidelines than in the US. Doctors get more of an indoctrination then an education here, I swear. Dieticians are taught to only use the established recommended guidelines, I fired mine after she recommended I eat 180-240g carbs a day and was worried about me eating 3,000 IU of D3 a day and said I'd get Vitamin D toxicity.
Fellow Canadian here. You're absolutely correct. I recently had to politely decline a consult with a nutritionist. Saved me from either laughing or getting angry!
I hear you. Dieticians and doctors are bound by their licensing associations to tow the line. Our guidelines mirror exactly the American guidelines. Case in point, Canada follows ADA for building practices, American Disabilities Act, and American Diabetes Association, Food Plate formerly Pyramid……I am trying to become a Health Coach, can’t do what I need to do by joining Association for dieticians, they would not allow me a license if I recommend low carb currently. Its still early days.
Fired seems an over reaction. Why not reeducation? Then they’ll move on with the correct info.
Lord save us from
" Registered Dieticians" and Nutritionists. I chat with one regularly when we meet while walking our dogs. She has no actual concept of Nutrition beyond the dogma that she has been taught. Talking about a ketogenic diet is like exposing her to kyptonite. To her it was all about calories in, calories out. She also scoffed when I mentioned lectins in plants and actually said..." I don't believe in them". Such ignorance and arrogance. She " doesnt believe in them?" Hmmmm....Try eating some raw castor beans and see how quickly the Ricin lectins will kill you. She kept feeding her clients " good carbs" and could not understand why they failed to lose fat mass. I stopped discussing nutrition with her because arguing with an idiot is pointless. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
@XaqNautilus. I totally agree with you. Nutritionist in Canada have been indoctrinated that keto or carnivore is the worst thing you can do. Also, I will not discuss nutrition with my doctor… nor will I discuss statins. We agreed to disagree and leave it at that. I haven’t had a doctor pushback on it though. They don’t have the time. They just make a note in my file that I have refused it or any dietary advice and quickly move on. they’ve covered their butt. Fine with me.
Thanks again Dr Weston for taking the time to debunk seemingly plausible 'qualified' experts. This is such a useful series.
There was nothing debunked.
Watch again @@rudycandu1633
Mick , it's DR Westman 😀
Oh yes, there was PLENTY debunked. Dr. Westman has actual PATIENTS and has SEEN amazing results for over 25 years. The other guy is just a "talking head." High fat/low carb is the way to go, and I am walking proof of it! @@rudycandu1633
“Under the conditions studied” so helpful. Thank you.
Gil is a joke.I love watching Bart Kay tear him a new one.
Indeed!
I gotta find this Bart Kay. Gil is getting as annoying as Saladino
Carvalho is way more excruciating than salad boy @@stevenwright9859
@stevenwright9859 if you find him will be shocking at first since he is very sarcastic. But nevertheless his very smart and explain everything well. He has all the credentials to speak these subjects.
@C.Medina
Yes, very true!
Thank you Dr. Westman for the precise pinpoint of his fatal weakness. I used to watch quite a few videos from him because he appeared to be "following science". Slowly I realized that he actually never dare to challenge the main stream theories. Therefore worthless.
I detect a certain snarkiness in his delivery, that I find off-putting. It's as if he's saying "Okay, let's settle this debate, once and for all, by applying my expansive medical expertise..."
But he demonstrates what appears to be a heaping helping of regurgitated rote learning, garnished with a a little applied logic, but clearly absent is any pioneering mindset. He's just parroting braindead AMA protocols 😢
He's mandated to say what he says, if he dared to challenge the main stream his license would be revoked.
Not really worthless because he's a great jumping off point for commentators like doctor Westman.
That's why you are one of the most trusted. You actually help sick ppl in a clinical setting. Thank you!
Two of my favorite YT doctors - Gil and Dr. Westman. Gil is a great speaker but is more along the traditional line of putting a lot of stock in the research to date. That is typically a very sound process unless you realize that a lot of these observational studies are not correlating to real life evidence of people doing the opposite and fixing health issues. And a lot of these observational studies are too broad to use as guidelines eg the one where people eating at McDonald's end up being unhealthy and the reason attributed is that meat and saturated fat are the cause when it is equally likely that the fries fried in reused vegetable oil and the soft drink are more likely to be the culprits.
I learned a lot today. Mainly that people burning fat have different metabolic needs than people burning carbohydrates. I have heard you say that in other videos but it finally sunk in. Fascinating.
Exactly. Clinical experience is key. Good video. Thank you Dr. Westman!
Thank you, Dr. Westman. It isn't that I don't 'trust the science.' I don't 'trust the scientists!' I still blame those who made us eat transfats! I like that you ask for hard science, not the soft, fluffy kind.
Hope you're using an air fryer, trans fats are by now illegal in most countries BUT they can still be consumed by eating fried stuff, when you heat vegetable oils, which are used in frying, to a very high temperature they actually transform into trans fats sadly...
Gil has a strong plant bias and will used epidemiology to support an anti red meat bias but not much the other way.
Yes, I started watching his videos because I thought he was unbiased. Until I saw his videos about fats and heart disease. He always put a lot of bullshit epidemiology evidence to sustain his arguments haha
Prof. Bart Kay debunked this guy many times, it’s fun to watch.
@@powerguiller yeah Bart is the best!
That doctor is the worse of youtube. He only dedicate his life to make youtube videos and forgot his patients lol@@TheodoreRobertBundy-l
Dr Gill is getting fat and at this rate will look older then Dr westman
As soon as he said "canadian guidelines", I literally laughed out loud! 🤣🤣🤣The gov food guidelines are pure garbage. 🤮.
Definitely a joke, a very bad joke!
@@jennifermarlow. We just keep taking the hits, eh? 😕
It's curious to me that a doctor who touts research has not been able to discern the "under the conditions studied" factor.
It’s because he doesn’t want to. He has decided plant based is better. He just camouflages himself as a pragmatic common sense scientist.
Dr Westman won’t go there and for good reason but won’t stop me
7:28 Never trust anyone who says "trust me!"
This Gil guy said that the foods we've evolved on are irrelevant to us today... That was the only video of his I ever watched.
Wow, how could he possibly believe that?
My takeaway from this video…if you fuel your body with carbs, limit saturated fat to about 10%; if you fuel your body with fat, 30-50% fat is ok. But….there is surely a limit for each person eating low carb as to how much fat can be consumed before the extra gets stored as fat. Why would our bodies ever need to burn our stored fat if we are feeding it plenty every day for fuel? Gotta be a balance in there somewhere for all of us.
Dr. Berry says you'll continue losing fat even while consuming a lot of fat. Mainly due to very low insulin levels!
@@andyc7747
Great point. Dr. Chaffee also mentions going by taste. So slow down or stop as when the food loses its appeal. That might be a cruder way of doing things, I'm not sure!
THANKYOU for finally reviewing some of NutritionMadeSimple’s content
The simple indisputable fact is that if your dietary practice is harming your vascular system, then a reassessment is worthy of consideration.
Yes, if you are completely healthy in all regards then keep doing what you’re doing! Very easy to get labs to verify atherosclerosis or not etc…
Interesting video. Just wondering if Dr Gil Carvalho would ever recommend that one should ever lose weight? Since your body stores excess energy as saturated fat and to reduce your fat percentage one would have to burn said fat. Metabolically speaking your body would convert your body fat as energy in the same manner as if you just consumed saturated fat from the food you ate. To be safe would he just recommend liposuction to reduce body fat instead? I don’t think the studies take this into account.
Another great video, Dr Westman! All your years of clinical research speak volumes.
Thank you for addressing Dr Gill fast talking generations. Wish drs Berry and Chafee addresses this as well
Dr. Westman---Love what you do! Love what you preach/teach! It would really be interesting if you could share what folks experienced over the years in your clinic. First-person antedotes could be a wealth of more 'shared iinfo' from you...even if they had to be anonymous! There's a book or documentery just waiting for you to create it. Keep changing lives1
Thank you Dr Westman. I started carnivore diet 2 weeks ago, did not experience keto flue symptons. Feel amazing, lots of energy, lost already 3 kilo's and my blood presure is going down. That only after 2 weeks. Thank you for your work on lowcarb/carnivore diets. would love to have a doctore with your knowledge in our medical center.
The very fact that Dr Westman has an established clinical practice makes him invested in his long-practiced approach.
Look at the kind of rebuke Dr Saladino received for reversing his view on fruit and honey.
I can understand the error of blaming cholesterol for atherosclerosis, since cholesterol is found in the arterial restrictions caused by lesions under repair (cholesterol is a basic building block for all cells, so it must be present in the healing process). But saturated fat? how is it supposed to cause atherosclerosis? It doesn't swim about in the blood because fat is not water-soluble. Eating more, or less, saturated fat doesn't affect how much cholesterol the body makes either, if people still cling on to the "bad cholesterol" idea. So yes, let's not be bothered by the fear of eating too much saturated fat.
Saturated fat promotes the production of APO B lipoprotein. It also down regulates the LDL-C receptors.
They have said saturated fat causes heart disease for decades yet no one can show the mechanism by which this can happen. Its the same with cholesterol and lipoproteins, they have a lot of ideologies but no actual evidence to show anything.
@@rsalehi6568
Proofs????
This is much like low carb eaters, especially carnivores, needing less Vitamin C in their diet to prevent scurvy. Without all the carbs competing for metabolizing Vitamin C, we just don't need that much and easily get enough from meat because our bodies are fat adapted and work differently.
Always very informative thanks for sharing 👍😎
I hope he accepts your invitation and visits your clinic.
I'd be interested to see a video on who decides what is 'normal vs abnormal' ranges and if what kind of biases or conflicts of interests they have.
Well that would take a movie .
Yes, these videos are so helpful. Thank you
The lipid/heart hypothesis should have died out with Ancel Keys. Saturated fat was never a problem but people like Neil keep trying to fit the square peg in a round hole. The LMHR study is an inconvenient truth that also squashes this.
Thank You VERY Much Dr Westman. Yes very helpful 🙂👍 -70SomethingGuy
Because "we know now" is the basis for the emotion. When someone who is EVIDENCE BASED and goes on and on about the evidence . . . then clearly cannot let go of the old school and dares repeat the old song and dance . . . just makes for more emotional reaction. The arrogance in his attitude is palpable.
Anyone who says "trust me." cannot be trusted!
Saturated fats are a problem on the SAD. The SAD is one big carb bomb. So what he says is probably true for those people.
Just did a rough calculation, looks like about 30% of my calories are from saturated fats. Current meals I rotate are around 75% of calories from fat and 25% from protein.
Thank you for sharing your calculated results. Are you based on carnivore diet or common keto?
Eric is the ONLY Dr I will listen to re keto
Nina Teicholz is the journalist Dr Westman is speaking of.
Trying to compare fat burners with glucose burners is like trying to compare apples and oranges. We need to throw out so much "nutritional science." (An oxymoron if there ever was one.)
I wish we could put this lie to bed. over 50 years isn't enough? how many people have been damaged by this lie
Thank you that always frustrates me when they say you can do this or eat that. It all depends on what else you eat!!!
The analysis by Cochrane does NOT show an S curve since they use ONE data point on the low end with EXTREMELY large error bars. All it shows is a possible result that would need much more study. In essence, Gil is totally misrepresenting the value of the diagram as fact, as opposed to a very weakly studied aspect of values that could change drastically with more study. The idea that an S curve is "known" is a direct lie or misunderstanding of the paper.
Gil, tries to say he is neutral but he isn’t. He just follows the guild lines with a vegetarian biased. I also think he doesn’t really understand the data of the studies he quotes or he wouldn’t be saying the Cochran study is break through unless he’s talking about the false conclusions.
If you are eating both carbs and fat you are activating the Randle cycle.
According to Ms Harcombe all food that contains fat have all three types. It seems like most fats are ok as long as they don't come from a bottle or a jar but is inside the food - and is not put there by humans in a refined form. (the fat, not the humans, haha)
This would be a rather small intersection between the two larger groups, but I’d love to see information about individuals who fast and eat a high fat diet for a majority of days in the week, intermixed by days of moderate carb eating. Would the change of metabolisms lead to issues or would the overlap of saturated fats with carbs during distinctly different time periods lead to health issues?
Twinkies, Golden Sponge Cake with Creamy Filling
Total Fat 9g 12%
Saturated Fat 4g 20%
Trans Fat 0g.
Cholesterol 35mg 12%
Sodium 370mg 16%
Total Carbohydrates 47g 17%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 32g.
That's a death bomb right there. I used to suck those down when I was a kid. never even read the label.
Thanks for all your great advice. I really enjoy watching your videos, they provide a lot of knowledge and are very helpful on a daily basis in choosing food when shopping, etc. Thank you ❤✨
I heard another Doctor say that people with type "o" blood have bodies that are more suited for Keto / Low carbs and do better when on these diets.
People are going to believe what they want to according to their own bias, and they will continue to believe that way until they have a come to Jesus moment in the back of an ambulance. Then it's "Whoopsies."
I don't like that he's saying PUFA are not really an issues... Excess Omega 6 are inflammatory, without inflammation the LDL doesn't form atherosclerosis... As far as i'm concerned... PUFAs are the worst offender...
not to mention HOW people get these pufas. A vast majority of people get them from processed foods and seed oils. I'm sorry, rancid and unstable seed oils are VERY inflammatory. I once heard Thomas DeLauer say that fresh, minimally processed seed oils were anti inflammatory... common sense dictates that 99.99999% of the population will never have access to any seed oils even remotely close to "fresh".
How about cerebral ischemia for the senior population? Same as heart disease?
Hi Dr Westman
I have been following your advise for years now am 83 years young and as healthy as I have ever been
I eat a lot of beef and lamb and a dr Gundry video popped up where he states you should not eat these as they contain dangerous ingredients
I would love to hear your reply to this
Regards
Max Sweetman
Grundy is like Carvalho, a BigPharma/BigFood shill
Yeah, people get too attached to what they believe rather than look at the actual evidence.
I’ve been having coconut oil almost daily for 16 years and my cholesterol is normal
Ohhhh Carvalho is not gonna like this! He doesn’t take well when someone confronts him, can’t wait for his reply 😅
Not understanding the mystery of proper diet... In the wild natural animal populations: generally, a well fed herbivore has a high percentage of body fat, well-fed carnivores are typically lean, and the fattest of all animal groups are the omnivorous ones. Each group need a specific body type in order to survive in an unhindered environment.
Right hand drive goes back to the middle-ages when knights jousted with their free right hand whilst holding the horse's reins with other. So they had to approach each other from the left.
Under the conditions studied pertains to the grain flour products that help to oxidize the saturated fat.
The issue is mixing fat(no matter which one) with high amounts of carbs(especially quickly digested ones without fiber, like found in processed foods). But then again, why blame saturated fat, when you could blame sugar and carbs all the same? In German we have the word "Trennkost" for ages, which means to split the food. Split how? The idea is to eat your (starchy) condiments not with your (fatty) meat or fish but to wait a few hours with them -and it works quite well, people have lost weight that way and got overall healthier. I guess it's because of the randle cycle which proposes that our body can't digest carbs+fats well at the same time and it makes sense, since for carbs you will need insulin but for fats you don't and while insulin is high storing and burning fats is slowed down, asking for trouble.
Gil Carbalo, pfeh...
Meta analysis can be contrived to say anything if you cherry pick the individual studies and you ignore any bias in them.
yah it's bunch of of crap studies pushing a BS narrative, into a mountain of shit. Its still shit no matter how high you pile it.
Usually the Meta analysis takes many smaller garbage analyses and bundles them up into one large pile of garbage and then they promote it with the word Meta but it's still just garbage.
Great comment! Meta garbage...I like it.@@Meathead-10810
Or if you ignore the assumptions and nuances or flaws in methods, which is typical with significant implications. It's a dumb process, reducing complex studies to little sound bites and adding them up.
All I know is my LDL has risen because of listening to this argument, back to basics now getting info from " the main stream"
It seems to me that the Canadian dietary "plate," much like the American "food pyramid," might be acceptable if you are PERFECTLY metabolically healthy. Unfortunately, a whopping 85% of American adults are metabolically UNHEALTHY. Therefore, the USDA should be recommending a low carb/keto/high fat eating pattern to improve the metabolic and cardiovascular health of the U.S. population.
I want a Twinkie now
This trend of having a thumbnail of someone with mouth aghast serves only to make them look like a mouth-breather.
One note Dr. Westman, perhaps you should have edited out that clumsy analogy with driving in Britain.
I don't listen to experts anymore when it comes to diet. I listen to evolution, history and instinct. Evolution says we evolved on saturated fat. History shows the same, and instinct tells me saturated fat is real food, and it makes me feel good.
Science can be interpreted in any way you want to prove what you already believe. Instinct and evolution are never wrong...science is, all the time.
w Question: Why would we store it in our bodies if it's bad for us? Answer: Disease.
well we all know low fat does not work, i would rather eat saturated fat any day of the week.
Or writing with the wrong hand !
You can fix those people if you get them in time (young enough). My bil "fixed" his son by harassing him whenever he used his favored hand by forcing him to use his other one until he became socially compliant.
I believe saturated fat on a high carb diet probably is a problem but it’s the carbs and seed oils are the problem? Almost every developed country that has tracked seed oil consumption the graph of seed oil consumption and heart are identical even though some of them have not increased sugar intake?
My take away "how can cholesterol be bad if our body stores it"
Well, this is how you sell carbs.
It is part of a "well-balanced" diet. Oh, and the body prefers to use carbs for energy rather than using fat. That is how it is done. You have to admit, that is pretty clever.
Thanks!
Bottom line is that LDL rises for many folks on keto. How dangerous is it? The pros don't know. Everyone is on their own & has to seek assistance from their local pros. Just say that.
Not dangerous. That's a byproduct of switching metabolic pathways. LDL isn't a causal agent. When correlated with heart disease it's because it's there to repair the problem, not the cause of it. Calling LDL the cause of heart disease is like calling firemen the cause of house fires because they were at the scene every time you saw a house burn down.
Its crazy how blind people are to science and study errors. The money involved here is HUGE. PHARMA znd Meat industries.
Not the meat industry ! It's the processed foods industry, mostly plant based, as Kellogg's and Nestlé are for example
Not the meat industry ! It's the processed foods industry, mostly plant based, as Kellogg's and Nestlé are for example
Gill is anti meant seventh day type activitst
Wkoa doc!!! Who says driving on the left is the "wrong side"? It's perfectly normal for us and we think you are the weird ones 😂👍
Question about haeme iron: plant chompers guy says carnivore people accumulate it, it's oxidative- therefore bad, and the only way to get rid of it is to donate blood.
? Is it true, and is it bad ?
From what I know, it's only a problem if consuming excessive organ meats!
Its only an problem if you have a genetic issue called hemochromatosis where your body is unable to remove excess iron from the body.
You listen to plant champers guy????
How do you prepare meat? As is known, nitrosamines are formed at temperatures above 130 degrees Celsius. Needed advice how to do it. Thank you.
I'm a little confused. You say association is not causation, yet you seem to support clinical trial (association?) to validate "science".?
Good points Dr. Westman. I do think though, that the church might say that the earth is the center of the universe, but the Bible never says that. There is a huge difference between church and the Bible. Churches pick and choose their beliefs based on traditions, not the word of God. Did you know it was written over 3500 years ago in the book of Job, that the earth hangs upon nothing? So they knew about gravity back then.
Great religion analogy. I saw a video by Dr. Eric Thorn (you had some videos of him on your channel), and he said that doctors can get defensive about low carb diets being healthy because then they start to question everything else they learned in medical school. Everything becomes unraveled and they wonder when it ends? What can they trust?
What about the assumption that ALL people are the same and react the same way to a specific diet or components of the diet. One size fits all?
Also a bad assumption.
Why not address the importance of 35 grams of fiber a day and acknowledge a poor understanding of GI bacteriology
There is no importance for fibre, it is non essential.
Can you explain what "risk" means and why the use isn't questioned. Or did you just questioned it?
Very good content. But can I request normalized audio levels? Meaning same perceived loudness for both commendatory and original video? It is very difficult to listen quietly (picture somebody sleeping not that far away, child, recovering wife.. :) ).
Use a headset, no?
I am so ready just to give up, so far one weekend my morning sugars this morning was 219. Never had them that high before I ate some eggs bacon went up to 244, I am terrified. I’ve never had my sugars be this high on a ketogenic diet. I did it five years ago lost 40 pounds didn’t lose anymore took a year off because my doctor thought Ozempic, monjaro would do me good…vomitted up every day was sick every day started to try the plant-based Whole Foods plant-based my sugars were crazy on that so now been on ketogenic again for a week, but having terrible results this time and terrified.
I do not eat anything I am not supposed to, I do page 4 to the t.
My sister is on Mounjaro injections and has lost a good bit of weight. Unfortunately, she hasn't changed her diet(still eats lots of sugar and carbs). The MINUTE she had to get off Mounjaro because of bad side effects, the weight came right back. Diet is the only (permanent) fix. Try going straight carnivore...meat, butter and eggs and see if that helps.
You need to give time to your body to adapt to using fat for energy. Coming from a high carb diet, it seems that your body is still expecting sugar as his energy source so your liver is making glucose and dumping it in your blood stream.
Keep the carbs very low and up the fat a lot so you send a clear signal to your brain that fat is now the main fuel.
can you do video on Meat base diet but with 20-40 gram of carbs a day.
Funny because Dr Westman's keto diet is meat based with under 20g of carbs!
So much obviscation here. So little fact. Comes down to faith. Ironic.
25:20 🤣 I nearly spat out my steak. A quarter of your diet is supposed to be grain sludge, and beans and seeds count as protein! 🤣🤣🤣
Who paid for the Review ?
You let these idiots Blaa Blaa away and I get tired of waiting for you to click on the skip ahead button so I do and save my own life.😂😂😂
He fact checked Dr Ekberg and Dr Berg. I really put alot of trust in Dr Ekberg. And he put him in a quite bad perspective. Wondering what u think. (Not a medical professional, he is cholistic Dr or something like that)
Yea, Little Debbie cakes are tasty 🙂
Gil is completely wrong on so many accounts. Misinformation that perhaps too many follow.
Dude, the sun rises and the sun sets. Also, you can see that the earth goes around the sun. They can both be true at the same time, it is relative to your chosen frame of reference. The 'church' (careful what this refers to) may have inappropriately applied the centrality of earth and humankind to astronomy (and calculating orbits), but that doesn't mean that, from a certain reference point, the earth isn't the "center of the universe". It depends what you mean...