@1018miamidrive Except luxury cars by nature are not great values You are far better off..if value your main concern...with a Toyota Avalon Otherwise people just buy what excites them after a certain price point...and the 100K + plus class of buyer seems to love the Mercedes S class sedan
His comment at @ 1:20 regarding the mouse or as Lexus calls it the "Navigation Remote Touch Controller" causing him to "overshoot" can be adjusted via the menu "set up" screen, under "General" and then "Feedback Force." There are 5 feedback positions to choose from when adjusting the feel of the mouse control. He was most likely on the factory default setting which is a little over sensitive.
Hey Thanks for the tip. I just got a Lexus IS with the Remote Touch & before I saw your comment I was always overshooting with it. Now I have it all set to where I like it.
Mr Cooley you really know your stuff . There is an Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) option on the 750i which also includes M Sport Package but the only worthwhile upgrades it offers is 20in wheels , paddle shifters lol and it will still wont compete with the LS F sport. This LS is an amazing value compared to the germans .
Awesome review Brian, keep it up! I personally prefer cars that have naturally aspirated engines, dont wana wait for power to build up aka lag, specially flagships! :)
The non F Sport LS460L would be my choice. A comparison between this and the German uber sedsans in the class in reference to their performance cars (the sport versions of the BMW, Audi, and MB, not the M, AMG, and S derivatives) I think that the LS does not compare. But as far as the luxury quotation goes, it's up there. As Mr. Cooley stated, a heck of a bargain. “When the AMG car pulls up next to you at a light, wave him on.” LOL! So true!
Nice looking car!! Very impressed with the new interior. Don't understand why they did not completely redesign the exterior. Front grill looks nice, but side and rear panels along with the motor should have changed for the LSF.
Because other manufacturers are using gimmicky new models every few years were as Toyota does not do this. And this is one of the reason why Toyota are so cheap but yet so durable. My Lexus is the family car and we have never had an issue not once.
And also, these cars are just not for everybody. It might be harsh, but some people just aren't able to afford them and there is no shame in realizing that.
i think people just watch these videos to look at where cars are headed, curiosity and awe. cuz seriously out of 10 people watching this i bet none have the money to even think about spending on these cars.....i sure hell don't
Surprised Cooley was so misinformed, the F-Sport is just a cosmetic trim, isn't a performance like M or AMG. It's exactly like a base S class or 7 series with "M trim" or "AMG-line," which is only sporty wheels and minor cosmetic badges and details, in this case a mesh front grille
I love mine ... So much better than my precious hard and bouncy C63 AMG .. And the quality is not even comparable ... Nasty cheap looking plastics in the Benz v quality leather and wood
I was hoping for better looking rear and side panels. I was hoping for a better mpg. But I knew the price would increase. The interior looks great. Not too fund of the exterior/mpg/price. The 2014 S-Class is months away. Not sure yet which way I will go. The Equus looks cheap, the 7-Series design is getting old, the Panamera needs body upgrades, and the Jaguar needs a better warranty-like 10year/100,000
I think on the GS and LS, along with the crossovers, that the new front looks great. But I don't know why i just think it looks boring on the ES and IS....
Erm I dont' think there is any out of place for having message seat in a normal sedan, as the person who could afford a LS would definitely treats his rear passengers nicely. I oppress my idea cause I really want that function in my current LS460 (2006) ;)))) definatly thinking of getting this as my next upgrade. PS: i would wish to have the LS600h FSport up for the 2015 model next year B)
I own an LS430 and could not be happier. My biggest problem with Lexus is why don't they upgrade their drive trains more frequently? They have been using the same drive train in LS-460 since 2007.
***** What works and does not break down is what Toyota uses. Lexus by right should cost the consumer twice that price but because of the Toyota manufacturing system they can bring the cost right down and that also includes keep certain standards such as the engine. 99.99% of people who buy these cars are not after a racing car they want luxury and power even though there are more powerful cars out there.
I think this car is just like a Audi with S trim or BMW with M trim. it doesn't want to play with the same league as AMG or S8. They'll have to make a LS-F for that lol. Because the fact Lexus didn't do anything fancy to the engine, means this is just a flagship sedan with more sport intention to it, like what Brian mentioned.
Lexus will hold its value over time. try finding a 2010 Lexus LS460 for under $40,000. also, for the same price? the base S350(3.5L V6) is like $94,000 with delivery. the base LS460 is something like $74,000 out the door. even loaded up, the LS still cost less. if you didnt know, the S-Class is the worst valued luxury car you can buy. the Jaguar XJL, BMW 750Li, Audi A8L, and LS460L all cost less than the base model S350... you can find a S65 AMG(225k new, TT V12) for 160k. 1yr old, 2k miles.
Why doesn't Brian Cooley talk to the camera anymore? The video is more relaxed without him sitting there talking to the viewer about all of the little features he likes and does not like. This car looks very nice, but I really don't think it's intending to compete with Mercedes-Benz S63 AMG or BMW Alpina B7. This F Sport is just like a touring trim level for Lexus like it is on the RX350.
He mentions the amg quite often. But amg is a sport tuned engine, not a trim. Regardless, I’d take the car that’s not going to give me a check engine light every 6 months.
Joshi The Yoshi Me too. That's why I wait until the price of the car drops. I bought an old LS-430 with 50K miles on it, and I have been very happy it with it.
+Joshi The Yoshi That's a stretch. My limit is $70-80. After that, things start to get outrageous because most buyers above that bracket probably don't care.
I just saw a white 2014 LS460 F Sport for $34,000. Looks like it's nearly or fully loaded with Mark Levinson sound. Btw, it's also a 1 owner vehicle. Now that's sweet.
great car but why anyone compares this to an amg or audi s is beyond me. ALL f sport models have the same engine as non f sport. this f sport is similar or slower than a A8 and 550, so comparing it to a s8 and s63 is a joke
If you realize that these premium cars are targeted towards people who 100k is not a significant portion of their wealth. As a result, making an extra 20k or whatever from having it invested won't make a difference. Lots of people on 60k office salaries finance these because they cannot afford to do so otherwise. Those people cannot afford these vehicles, and shouldn't buy.
Ya, except this is 10 times more reliable, costs thousands less, has more technology standard, is quieter on the inside, has a nicer rear seat package, looks better, has better fuel economy, has a more powerful base engine, has a better tech interface, has a much better residual value, has lower interest rates at almost every (if not every) dealership, and looks 1000 times better than the S class. But other than those silly reasons, you're right. Mercedes is much better at NOTHING else :)
Car looks pretty good, but lexus should stop trying to focus on performance. Their cars are still boring with the F-Sport package and I think they are better off with focusing on luxury. Only exceptions are the LFA and IS-F
Well that's your choice, but I'd rather not have a brand new car that looks like an older car from another make.... i'd rather just get the real deal like a Merc.
...If you don't finance a car you are being stupid with your money. It is better to pay overtime with the 3% interest and have the rest of the money invested making you more than that and coming out ahead. but I guess most people who make enough to spend $100k on a car are stupid with their money.
hey cnet why you changed the brian cooley introduction from inside the cabin ???? do it the old way please, this video and the bmw 7 are the same lame tech intro, dont like it
Chinese have limoted time to adopt to the car age epoch. Soon oil will dwindle and Chinese glory to the auto world will never realize. Too late China, sorry.
You say buy European car yet you said BMW and Mercs are rubbish hmm btw lets see if Chinese people can make a better car than these car makers...probably never hahaha
The LS is definitely leading in its class hands down, no questions.
Forgot one thing reliability they blow all of them away
@1018miamidrive Except luxury cars by nature are not great values
You are far better off..if value your main concern...with a Toyota Avalon
Otherwise people just buy what excites them after a certain price point...and the 100K + plus class of buyer seems to love the Mercedes S class sedan
His comment at @ 1:20 regarding the mouse or as Lexus calls it the "Navigation Remote Touch Controller" causing him to "overshoot" can be adjusted via the menu "set up" screen, under "General" and then "Feedback Force." There are 5 feedback positions to choose from when adjusting the feel of the mouse control. He was most likely on the factory default setting which is a little over sensitive.
Hey Thanks for the tip. I just got a Lexus IS with the Remote Touch & before I saw your comment I was always overshooting with it. Now I have it all set to where I like it.
Glad I could be of help!
Thanks for that information
Picked up one of these for a song this year, what a stunning value and a beautiful car by the standard of any generation
The good ole days, when Cooley was the only one reviewing cars.
German cars will always perform much better but I rather have the Lexus because it's more reliable and will spend less time in the shop : )
i like how you summed up the video based on what type of consumer would appreciate this car. I hope that you do this more often.
Wow, what a beautiful car.
I am sorry this way better than the 7 series, inside and out
Apologies are quite unnecessary 😊
I adore my Lexus LS!
Actually love the Lexus designs through the years.
i always loved lexus no one told me they where good or high up just when you glance at it!
this is better than the 7 Series Brian reviewed yesterday!!
Finally Lexus looks good, FINALLY!
I had no idea they made an f sport for the 460
Mr Cooley you really know your stuff . There is an Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) option on the 750i which also includes M Sport Package but the only worthwhile upgrades it offers is 20in wheels , paddle shifters lol and it will still wont compete with the LS F sport. This LS is an amazing value compared to the germans .
Now we need to review on the 2013 Lexus GS AWD please
Nice new intro music :3
Awesome review Brian, keep it up! I personally prefer cars that have naturally aspirated engines, dont wana wait for power to build up aka lag, specially flagships! :)
How you going to skip over (tec) the break hold feature?
Left BMW for Lexus. Had a 750 Li and Lexus is MUCH more reliable.
Well said!!
Brian could do a car review on a 1930 Ford and I would still like the video just because he was reviewing it.
This car actually looks good.
They shoulda put the LFA engine in the LS460 F sport
The non F Sport LS460L would be my choice. A comparison between this and the German uber sedsans in the class in reference to their performance cars (the sport versions of the BMW, Audi, and MB, not the M, AMG, and S derivatives) I think that the LS does not compare. But as far as the luxury quotation goes, it's up there. As Mr. Cooley stated, a heck of a bargain. “When the AMG car pulls up next to you at a light, wave him on.” LOL! So true!
Nice looking car!! Very impressed with the new interior. Don't understand why they did not completely redesign the exterior. Front grill looks nice, but side and rear panels along with the motor should have changed for the LSF.
Because other manufacturers are using gimmicky new models every few years were as Toyota does not do this. And this is one of the reason why Toyota are so cheap but yet so durable.
My Lexus is the family car and we have never had an issue not once.
a review on the LS600h F-Sport ...soon maybe?
And also, these cars are just not for everybody. It might be harsh, but some people just aren't able to afford them and there is no shame in realizing that.
LOL 1:56 "San Fransisc-.... oh..."
Really you can get a brand new S Class with a lot of options for that price!
Hey I might correct you. Have you seen an F10 5 series with the m sport package in person? Its a pretty stunning car. So you're wrong.
i think people just watch these videos to look at where cars are headed, curiosity and awe. cuz seriously out of 10 people watching this i bet none have the money to even think about spending on these cars.....i sure hell don't
F Sport is just an appearance and suspension package. It doesn't change the powertrain. It's not an M or AMG competitor.
Surprised Cooley was so misinformed, the F-Sport is just a cosmetic trim, isn't a performance like M or AMG. It's exactly like a base S class or 7 series with "M trim" or "AMG-line," which is only sporty wheels and minor cosmetic badges and details, in this case a mesh front grille
I love mine ... So much better than my precious hard and bouncy C63 AMG .. And the quality is not even comparable ... Nasty cheap looking plastics in the Benz v quality leather and wood
I was hoping for better looking rear and side panels. I was hoping for a better mpg. But I knew the price would increase. The interior looks great. Not too fund of the exterior/mpg/price. The 2014 S-Class is months away. Not sure yet which way I will go. The Equus looks cheap, the 7-Series design is getting old, the Panamera needs body upgrades, and the Jaguar needs a better warranty-like 10year/100,000
I think on the GS and LS, along with the crossovers, that the new front looks great. But I don't know why i just think it looks boring on the ES and IS....
CORRECTION. You buy a Mercedes for the brand. You only buy it for the driving experience when you option in all the extra sport options.
Erm I dont' think there is any out of place for having message seat in a normal sedan, as the person who could afford a LS would definitely treats his rear passengers nicely. I oppress my idea cause I really want that function in my current LS460 (2006) ;)))) definatly thinking of getting this as my next upgrade.
PS: i would wish to have the LS600h FSport up for the 2015 model next year B)
I own an LS430 and could not be happier. My biggest problem with Lexus is why don't they upgrade their drive trains more frequently? They have been using the same drive train in LS-460 since 2007.
*****
What works and does not break down is what Toyota uses.
Lexus by right should cost the consumer twice that price but because of the Toyota manufacturing system they can bring the cost right down and that also includes keep certain standards such as the engine.
99.99% of people who buy these cars are not after a racing car they want luxury and power even though there are more powerful cars out there.
except for those headlights. Remind me of aftermarket ones civic owners slap on.
How so, oh wise one?
I think this car is just like a Audi with S trim or BMW with M trim. it doesn't want to play with the same league as AMG or S8. They'll have to make a LS-F for that lol. Because the fact Lexus didn't do anything fancy to the engine, means this is just a flagship sedan with more sport intention to it, like what Brian mentioned.
Lexus will hold its value over time. try finding a 2010 Lexus LS460 for under $40,000.
also, for the same price? the base S350(3.5L V6) is like $94,000 with delivery. the base LS460 is something like $74,000 out the door. even loaded up, the LS still cost less.
if you didnt know, the S-Class is the worst valued luxury car you can buy. the Jaguar XJL, BMW 750Li, Audi A8L, and LS460L all cost less than the base model S350...
you can find a S65 AMG(225k new, TT V12) for 160k. 1yr old, 2k miles.
When u seee an AMG @ Light Wave Hem ON, this guy lol
Amazing Car, I'll buy it when it's 20 years old and worth $2000.
It's been 10 years and its still worth close to 30k..
That's rich.
Lexus is waaaay better than any BMW ... I've had 3 BMW s and there is no comparison ... Lexus is way better made and refined
Why doesn't Brian Cooley talk to the camera anymore? The video is more relaxed without him sitting there talking to the viewer about all of the little features he likes and does not like. This car looks very nice, but I really don't think it's intending to compete with Mercedes-Benz S63 AMG or BMW Alpina B7. This F Sport is just like a touring trim level for Lexus like it is on the RX350.
I would definetely still go for German car instead of this. Probably the best choise would be to wait for the new S-class to come out.
He mentions the amg quite often. But amg is a sport tuned engine, not a trim.
Regardless, I’d take the car that’s not going to give me a check engine light every 6 months.
looks good but needs to step up its game if wants to be sporty. id get a lex for reliability not for being the "sporty" option
I miss your sarcasm Mr. Cooley! You have toned down over on your last few reviews i noticed.
Nothin' much, watching a video about some fancy car. You?
If I did, I'd make sure to have a hammer ready.
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wow only 72,000 in singapore it will cost us 400,000 :(
Beautiful car! Great looks and tech wayyyy nicer than that unreliable bmw
79K!!!!? ill stick with my TL :)
That last sentence is not part of my vocabulary!!! lol
You get a lot for the money but it's hard for me to call anything that's over $45k or so a "great value."
Joshi The Yoshi Me too. That's why I wait until the price of the car drops. I bought an old LS-430 with 50K miles on it, and I have been very happy it with it.
+Joshi The Yoshi That's a stretch. My limit is $70-80. After that, things start to get outrageous because most buyers above that bracket probably don't care.
I just saw a white 2014 LS460 F Sport for $34,000. Looks like it's nearly or fully loaded with Mark Levinson sound. Btw, it's also a 1 owner vehicle. Now that's sweet.
The new IS is the real deal.. check it
Older BMWs looked better than the new horrors, so that's fine.
great car but why anyone compares this to an amg or audi s is beyond me. ALL f sport models have the same engine as non f sport. this f sport is similar or slower than a A8 and 550, so comparing it to a s8 and s63 is a joke
If you realize that these premium cars are targeted towards people who 100k is not a significant portion of their wealth. As a result, making an extra 20k or whatever from having it invested won't make a difference. Lots of people on 60k office salaries finance these because they cannot afford to do so otherwise. Those people cannot afford these vehicles, and shouldn't buy.
Not the best BRIAN COOLEY review. The video was too short, not informative enough and hate the voice overs. Im glad cnet is doing vids more often.
wow, i feel sympathy for the mechanic that has to work on that engine.
well BMW has the "B7"
Outside is nice, the inside isn't so classy like
I hate that California requires a front license plate. It kills the look of a car.
I'm gonna have to drill holes on my bumper :(
Because read your own comment. And it looks nothing like a BMW.
Ya, except this is 10 times more reliable, costs thousands less, has more technology standard, is quieter on the inside, has a nicer rear seat package, looks better, has better fuel economy, has a more powerful base engine, has a better tech interface, has a much better residual value, has lower interest rates at almost every (if not every) dealership, and looks 1000 times better than the S class. But other than those silly reasons, you're right. Mercedes is much better at NOTHING else :)
incredibly biased lexus owner here ^^
more tech? LMFAO
Car looks pretty good, but lexus should stop trying to focus on performance. Their cars are still boring with the F-Sport package and I think they are better off with focusing on luxury. Only exceptions are the LFA and IS-F
Why would anyone offer me anything when I'd just go buy it myself?
You're all angry that I dissed your precious toy car. Boo hoo!
This car is awesome... for me to fall asleep in while driving.
F package
Well that's your choice, but I'd rather not have a brand new car that looks like an older car from another make.... i'd rather just get the real deal like a Merc.
U mad bro?
...If you don't finance a car you are being stupid with your money. It is better to pay overtime with the 3% interest and have the rest of the money invested making you more than that and coming out ahead. but I guess most people who make enough to spend $100k on a car are stupid with their money.
Lol m7 bro it’s a BMW can’t even compared an M, AMG or even S to an Fsport the power train is the same
Really? Goes after Amg? It can't even keep up with a normal BMW 750i or a Mercedes Benz s550. This is no where bear Amg or BMW m-sport territory
This navigation display looks horrible
SAK EEEEEEEEEEEET
Haha guess what car is still running today? The LS meanwhile garbage BMW is in the junker already.
I disagree. Oh well. To each his own.
hey cnet why you changed the brian cooley introduction from inside the cabin ???? do it the old way please, this video and the bmw 7 are the same lame tech intro, dont like it
Nobody's offering you either, so it's really irrelevant.
Chinese have limoted time to adopt to the car age epoch. Soon oil will dwindle and Chinese glory to the auto world will never realize. Too late China, sorry.
You say buy European car yet you said BMW and Mercs are rubbish hmm btw lets see if Chinese people can make a better car than these car makers...probably never hahaha
Still rather have a E63 AMG
It looks like an older BMW with a gaping maw of a mouth
quiit bullshitting you drive a corolla u cant afford this kind of money
GS>LS