Turning Small Rocks Into Large Rock with Hydraulic Press
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- čas přidán 16. 09. 2022
- Turning Small Rocks Into Large Rock with Hydraulic Press. Why? becouse I can! If you have ideas for other making rocks with hydraulic press experiments please let me know!
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Have you tried dirt into rock? Also try cat litter
You're at the right pressures for rock, you just need to add the missing element, heat. Rock formed in the ground is hot. Heat it up, under pressure, just below its melting point. Also, I believe that all the rocks you used here are igneous rocks, formed from high heat and pressure. Sedimentary rocks have a lot of organic components to them, and might be easier to produce this way.our
There is one more element of the puzzle that could be difficult though, and that's time. Actual rock is also formed over LONG time periods.
Rocks are full of all sorts of things, but they don't all have the same thermal or mechanical properties. What's optimal and available naturally, I'm not sure. You want something that will fuse easily, but also be resistant to the thermomechanical stresses involved in cooling, otherwise the fused material will just fracture and fall apart as it cools. That's part of why ceramic firing cycles have a long cooldown time. Speaking of that, there are also fluxes that could be used to promote fusion. That said, I doubt any of this will take place at temperatures low enough to be practical in this setup.
@@HammyJamPants Most rock melts at lower temps than steel. If you've ever seen a video of someone getting iron from smelting, the slag that results is basically lava. It naturally clumps as it cools. If he could maintain pressure while heating the material to just shy of 2200 degrees C, it would likely fuse. Dont know what that would do to his equipment though.
I wonder if they could use the equipment they use for sintered metal to make rock? It's the same process although I don't know heat or pressure involved
Just need to leave it under pressure for a few million years
I test soil compaction for roadway bases. This video makes me very happy.
Try breaking up the white rocks into powder, and then adding that powder back to more whole rocks with some water. Under the metric shit-ton of force you're using, it should compress the mass into a type of sandstone. (You could also try dirt or sand.)
Yes, ^ this! I used to work with industrial ceramics/refractory materials and we pressed all sorts of granular materials. It needs a range of particle sizes to fill in the spaces in between the larger chunks. And well mixed before pressing. And some sort of binder.
I’m a geologist I started in a geotechnical lab.
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You may try putting pressure several times. Once the pressure is released, it allow the crushed rocks to move, so the probability for filling the empty space between them on 5-10 repeated crushing is increasing. Although one may argue that after the second time you pressure sand, not rocks.
What is sand, but not small rocks?
@@Ikimono But enough talk, have at you! (Idk why but the first thing i thought of was castlevania when i read what you wrote)
Any crushed rock is not sand though, technically speaking. Sand is a very specific kind of crushed (weathered) rock.
@@Ikimono And what is sandstone other than compressed sand?
This, and keep pressure on million years.
This is the one and only channel on CZcams that could ever get me excited after hearing “We are going to make rocks.”
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It's the way he say rock. Sweden and Finland legends of rock and hard rock ;)
Turns out that millions of years of heat and pressure are pretty tough to replicate, even with modern tech.
Nah, dude just had the wrong recipe.
It's true, yoy need time because "creep" of atoms to slowly cement a rock takes time, no matter the pressure and heat
@@holgerlarsson8807 nah. If we can make diamonds and grow most gems we can do this too, it's just pointless for the people who can to do so and would get us nothing.
This channel is such a trip. Who knew there was so much stuff you could do with a hydraulic press, lol. Also, I love your accent!
He’s Finnish.
worlds most straight forward english accent :D easy to understand though
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Most marble bench tops are made of "reconstituted marble", I'd imagine that would be pressed together much like that last one but with some kind of binding agent.
I think the white rocks he used was just that, a ceramic epoxy mix from China. Not real rocks.
Definitely need a binding agent or extreme temperature.
marble benchtops are usually bonded with resin
Yeah the guy making reconstituted bench tops started out like this. But he eventually discovered some secrets he isnt about to divulge to anyone.
@@johndododoe1411 It'd be interesting to know what temperature Lauri would need to fuse certain rocks at the pressure he can provide. Because of the high pressure it should be lower than normal melting temperature. Maybe with the right type of rock and a home furnace he can set this up safely because the rocks wouldn't have to get that hot.
It takes millions of tons of pressure, metric or American to turn anything into rock.
How many metric shit tons is that?
@@takeohtyme Millions
"Freedom tons" not American tons
Stop your realism and science!
American? Do you mean Imperial? Feet, inches, miles, pounds and tons originated in England buddy
Natural sandstone isn't only sand, there are other substances that act as binding agents. Also, the crushed rocks should be of similar hardness. The first collection of pebbles used here were much too variable, so the softer ones were cushioning the harder ones, which is why they didn't work as well as the next two types.
Metamorphic rock = heat + pressure. It would be interesting to see what happens with the same experiments, but with highly heated rock samples. :D
The rock smoke is so satisfying to watch maybe some kind of slowmo on the smoke type stuff.
You need to leave it in the state of friction for a lot longer. You need to keep the pressure on whatever it is you're trying to compress into one piece for a linking period of time for friction to evenly eat everything up until it melts together
Yeah, the period of time is 45 million years.
@@kensanity178 nah, at this pressure 10-15 thousand years should be enough ;)
@@maciej9280 ok what about pressure? We're going to need a bigger hydraulic jack.
There is no heat generated by friction unless there's motion. An object at equilibrium under a static load isn't going to just heat up by itself.
@@HammyJamPantsperhaps friction isn't the best word. However, under constant pressure, the rocks will be constantly fracturing, which generates heat. If this happens quickly enough, the heat and pressure will be enough to trigger a phase transformation.
What happens if you leave the rock under pressure for an hour or two? Or add some heat?
A lot of heat close to melting point to create a real rock)
Leave the rock under pressure for a few thousand milleniums.
Perhaps try using water then letting the rock dry out for a few days. Minerals in the rock might help to harden it up like cement does for concrete.
No, they won’t.
@@canadiangemstones7636 they might depending on mineral content, especially if the water is slightly acidic. For example, carbonate minerals would dissolve and then reprecipitate
The most brilliant thing about HPC is that he never runs out of ideas about what to press next.
You should heat the “rocks” with the torch after you press them too see if that does anything. Haha great video.
Some rocks will just explode when flame heated
Maybe pre-heating the tool base and the rock in an oven and then crushing.... Then leaving the pressure on while everything cools down overnight?
@@maggs131 he heated the rocks to dry them, they didnt explode then. Also, the pulverized “rocks” (sand really) will not store enough potential energy to explode with any amount of force.
@@renterp sigh....... he warmed them. It's not instant when rocks are heated. They have to get super hot and then only some pop from certain internal structure
@@maggs131 they arent really rocks tho after being crushed. Sigh is right. Its basically a powdered sand puck. He could heat it to glowing without any issues likely. The puck doesnt have enough internal pressure resistance to explode. That pressure is released when crushing them.
Great video!. If you push hard, it turns to sand; if you push harder, it turns to rock; if you push even harder, it turns to sand; if you push even harder; it turns to rock, and so on and so forth
If you look at Engineered Granite (such as used for countertops) they crush the rocks but use a 'binder' such as a polycarbonate to stick the bits of rock together. In a similar way, Corian is a material made by DuPont using a binder and the leftovers from Aluminium production (Bauxite leftovers) to create rock-type materials.
Every time one of these making x with the press comes out i try to guess what will happen and i am always surprised by what happens. I love watching this channel!
Yeah in this case crumbly rocks were made out of previously crumbled up rocks. Unreal! Genius!
As you worked out, adding water helps with compaction. That's what you do when compacting a sub grade for a road, foundation, etc. The water helps the smaller particles move around and adhere together with the larger particles.
I think it would be better to use a liquid with higher melting point than water. Like molten salt.
If you want more tensile/shear strength in your results, you need to add a little something to the water. You have to look it up, but it needs to crystallise out under pressure, locking the grains in place. Naturally this stuff takes a long time to form, but I’m sure there are salts and such which will do the trick. You don’t need a lot of it either, your initial hunch of adding water is spot on.
geologist here- You need both more heat heat and time to go with those pressures to weld the minerals together. Rocks form at great depths (under many kilometers of sediments) over many many years. To shock weld the stones (lots of pressure, low heat, and low time) takes the energy of a meteor strike.
You should make espresso with 3300 bar pressure. You can crush beans with the press and push hot water through the powder! See how creamy it is :)
Just out of curiosity, what if you took one of those end results and crumbled it up back into the press and pressed it a second time? Think perhaps you might get a more solid result? Or would it result in just more dust? Those were mostly igneous rocks from what I can tell, what if you used sedimentary rocks instead?
It'd just result in more dust and sand.
We do have a way of making something like rock. It involves adding moisture to some form of soil, compacting it as tight as possible, and then baking it.
The end result is called a brick
I’d like to see this with glowing hot rocks from a crucible
Now _that_ sounds interesting!
@@jlucasound It also sound fairly dangerous...
Let do it!
@@The_Keeper danger? Just stand behind the plexiglass
@@jackingwads7513 and a cage, while wearing proper gear
You got the same results that I have gotten using a 250 American ton locomotive running over rocks and sand.
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Might need a combination of the pressure and blow torch and warm water to help with compression process. it'll probably take a century or two to get the science for each different type of stone to be exact enough for stronger rocks and binding them together stronger
Currently the only viable way to incorporate high heat and pressure is with the use of high explosives to produce harder stones. Since he does “experiments” with high explosives he should try and manufacture industrial diamonds with graphite.
Could you crush salt or sea salt into a big salt crystal? That might be interesting.
You could also try heating the rocks, probably don't have to go to the point of lava, but if they're a bit softer they might blend into one piece better.
Have you tried to use a slightly tapered chamber so the "rocks" release from the mold a lot quicker and don't drag along the sides during the release process
I wonder how much pressure it takes to convert a layer of sedimentary rock into metamorphic rock. I’m guessing it’s much more than a hydraulic press can provide…
and probably a *lot* more time and heat.
it's mostly the heat that's missing.
Forming sedimentary rocks is a matter of pressure. Turning them into metamorphic rocks is a matter of temperature. Metamorphic rocks can actually form at relatively low pressures (in a geologic sense of low pressure) like what sedimentary rocks form at if heated enough for long enough. This can happen in volcanos where the sedimentary rocks near the crack the lava pushes up through gets heated to near melting temperatures and transforms in a process called contact metamorphosis (if I'm remembering my terminology correctly).
The high temperatures can be created by high pressures, of course, but it is the temperature, not the pressure that is the factor there.
Hypothetically, it would be possible if you could have a container strong enough to contain that pressure at high temperatures for an extended period of time and some way to heat up the rocks significantly.
It should be technically possible to form at least some types of metamorphic rock that way, though that doesn't mean practically feasible for a CZcamsr's setup to be adapted to handle.
Not really, you just need the same pressure and enough heat to make the steel dull red. Add some more time to it and you might come close to making metamorphic rock. For igneous rock you need to melt the rock under that pressure for a nice strong rock
Depends on the type of metamorphic rock. For instance, zeolite facies would probably be made, with consistent temperature above 200c bestowed upon the rock within the hydraulic press.
Since calcite in limestone yielded some decent results, I think chalk with a bit of water could produce good rocks
You should try putting the rocks inside a furnace and getting them extremely hot prior to pressing. Preheating the tool would be a good idea as well.
If the material the tool was made of could handle the heat I'd say put that in the furnace too but it's likely it would make the tool too soft
You really need to make a bunch of these and go place them in the most random areas around where you live so that future archeologists lose their minds a bit when trying to figure out what the hell was going on with nature at this time haha 😂
I don't know if it'd be possible but I think it'd be awesome if you could preheat those rocks until cherry red before compressing and see what happens. Thank you for making videos
You are definitely going to want to try a little bit of heat, as well. I would recommend starting with the lightly damp rocks, let them compress down, but then hold it there for as long as you can keep the machine at high pressure (idk what the limitations of hydraulic presses are) and then gently heat the container with your gas torch or a blow torch or something. This will not only make the rocks more plastic and moldable, but it will also cause whatever moisture is left in the container to evaporate, which would then schlorp(a very technical term) things together. However, you could also add a small amount of organic material, even just some carbon, and have really hard water with a bunch of stuff dissolved in it already as well. This SHOULD give you everything you need to make a relatively solid stone… but you may want to experiment with different solvents and parent stones…
@7:40 definitely needed time to cure. If you let it dry or throw it in the oven at low heat/ then set it in the freezer overnight. You'll end up with a slightly better material but most concrete is made using organic material because it's difficult to generate both enough pressure and heat to make rocks like the Earth does. So most older concrete's use limestone in the mix as the decomposed organic materials (mostly plants) are slimy and tent to stick like glue. Limestone is mostly carbon material so as it dries it just becomes more and more carbon heavy and therefore sturdier.
If you want to make sand rock you need to coat it with dirt, mud or clay. The drying process is the same but you'll actually end up with a sandstone.
Honestly one of the coolest videos I've seen you do. I love the iterative process of trying to make a rock from rocks lol
Here's an idea.
Which is stronger? Concrete simply poured or concrete poured then pressed. Press like you normally do but maybe in one test just leave the pressure on until the concrete is supposed to be dry and see how strong that is.
I used to work for a company that made 8 by 16 concrete building blocks. They do compress the concrete, but not until its dry. Just compressed. Then pulled out and dried in a kiln.
@@kensanity178 Very cool! I'm wondering if leaving it pressed until it cools would result in a new supermaterial
We love you guys and wait patiently for your winter content, it's always the best. Could you try heating something up and coming from under the ice this year? Explosions under the ice would also be cool. How about a mortar cannon landing on the frozen lake with a 30 kg projectile? You need a small submersible drone to film the 🎭 ACTION! Just do what you always do in winter, it's great and thanks.
You almost figured out how the Earth was made, a bunch of rocks, water and a ginormous hydraulic press.
I had a hearty laugh at "ooookay. Doesn't look super good"! 😂
I reckon raw cement dust would make a "pretty good" rock! Would love to see you try it.
Not without water. lol
Mixed with water I wonder what happens to a concrete mix under pressure while curing.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory Probably cures faster
Add a ton of heat, like 1000° C to the rock and then crush.
You seem to have a lot of fun doing these videos, so I'm going to have some fun and I hope you aren't offended. How about a bag of Quick Crete. It's made up of a lot of small stones. Add some water, mix it up, put it in the press, let it set for an hour and you have instant larger rock.
Keep up the entertainment. I really enjoy what you do.
it almost seems like you want to mimic geological processes, but faster. Geology can produce a lot of heat, making it easier for different rocks to bond together.
So...maybe press it whilst it's surrounded and heated by a kind of furnace?
Time to try graphite - see how big a diamond you can make ;D
Might need some temperature and time-lapse recording though.
Have you ever thought about going to much higher pressures by making your own press? I think Enerpac makes cylinders up to 1,000 ton. They have much shorter throw than your big press, but it might be interesting to see what 1,000 tons could do instead of 150. (Or use 2, 3, or 4 of them to get to really insane pressures. - You’d need one almighty thick steel plate to spread the load across multiple cylinders though. I also think that 1,000 ton cylinders aren’t cheap 😮)
(Edit: Hmm, I just looked them up and they might be a little cost-prohibitive; their 1,196-ton cylinders are in the range of $50-60,000, depending on the stork length 😮 Maybe Enerpac would spot you one for the PR value though?)
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This is a sentence that needs to be uttered more.
You should try to apply significant heat in addition to pressure so the crystal structures might bond better.
Which grass variety is the toughest? Can it grow in little pots, get crushed/compacted, put back into the pot, and continue to grow? It's mid-September, and I'm guessing an extra indoor hobby isn't all bad. Bermuda, fescue, etc.
I hope you guys have been well. :)
Collab with Ryan Knorr or LCN on that one!
No, no. The best grass is Mexican sans similar. You pack it dow in your pipe and light it up. And you are "Stoned".
@@kensanity178 Growing up, it was always that California (Hans-style) stuff. I guess with drones and LED lights things have moved back south. Either way, it's an excellent one to try in the press.
I think with some "anvil" geometry and going more for a "small half-sphere" shape might get some better results. Also bit of limestone and water might be cheating but effective ;)
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Seems like the sort of thing where you could use some pretty coloured rocks and a bit of resin to make rock beer mats.
If you heat the rocks to 150 degrees Fahrenheit and pour in a little water just before applying pressure, as well applying pressure for longer, you’d probably get really tough rocks
I'm always terrified by the various dusts that come out when you crush things! Breathing that in is a surefire way to get yourself permanent lung damage. 😅
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I’m in the business of compaction. Moisture. You needed 5-10% moisture. Also compaction is never done in one press. Compaction like Hardening is always done with multiple blows. Or by vibration. Or hammering. I believe you could in theory do this. If your interested in my opinion on how to better your chances let me know.
Wish my dear structural geology professor were still here to see this. Like other comments, I’m sure he would have suggested extreme heat, water & pressure over time to give you the result you’re aiming for. Great video, as usual.
Wow you made a pile of rocks out of a pile of rocks. Pure genius!
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One thing that's important in making rocks like this in nature is TIME. You are too much in a hurry for it to be finished. But you probably don't have enough time to do what happens in nature. The type of rocks you were trying to make are called metamorphic rocks (changed form rocks) which nature makes out of any type of rock. And nature works with a lot of pressure, quite a bit of heat, and a looooooooo...ooot of time.
In nature, a huge mass of one kind of rock can be turned into (metamorphosed) a different kind of rock. Under heat and pressure and lots of time, the minerals in the rock break down into elements that move around so they get rearranged and recombined into different minerals. It's this changing of some minerals into other minerals that takes a great deal of time. Much more time than you have in a lifetime of experimenting. And water also helps the process work.
Little bits of rock and minerals can also be turned into new rock in nature. So nature starts with clay or silt or sand or gravel or pebbles or boulders and crushes them together under lots of pressure and heat, along with water, and lots and lots of time, to produce a mass of new rock.
But I don't know if nature has as much fun playing around with successfully making metamorphic rocks as you have playing with your idea for trying to make a rock. I enjoyed watching you play with this experiment. By the way, I'm a geologist.
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I like that for the last one you "spiced things up"
This is an elevated version of the mud and dirt pies some of us made while playing outside as kids. The science professor accent is accurate to the game.
It takes temperatures between 600 and 1,300 degrees Celsius (1,100 and 2,400 degrees Fahrenheit) to melt a rock, turning it into a substance called magma (molten rock).
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I wonder if taking the puck from the water press and firing it in a kiln would do anything? Like bake out the moisture and maybe make it hols together better?
you do have an air vent for the press chamber right? that 'rock smoke' definitely looks hazardous
I like the new tests, keeps things fresh.
What you need is heat. You technically don’t even need a press, but it will help. The smaller the rock the more surface area to mass it will have. This will make heating it to a melting temperature easier. Best thing to do is to take a press, and torch the rocks. Get the glowing, and then some. Then crush them. This will make a much more solid rock.
You want the partials to melt into each other, that is what will make define what hardness your rock will be. The better the bond, the harder it’ll be.
If you want ti get very technical, you could use a press and use the pressure put into it, and have that make the heat source. Being said, you’ll need a press that is much stronger. Like, thousands of times stronger. That’s how ricks are made naturally. The pressure from the matter above cause heat ti build up, eventually that heat gets to be hot enough to melt rocks.
I would suggest using a rock like obsidian because it is a rock type that will more easily combine into one. Being said, it’s still going to take lots of heat and lots of pressure.
Thank you for the entertainment. Might look in to a book for material that does
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You should add some 2 part resin to the rocks, crush it and leave it to cure before pressing it out.
I like how your tools evolve.
It needs a binder, natural rock
uses eons of sedimentary clay
and quartz sub-straight, but you
can use tree sap, pine tar, epoxy
or even powdered plastic or polymer.
(This is how grinding wheels)
(are made today.)
This makes me wonder, can you make metamorphic rock out of igneous/sedmentary?? With heat and slow pressure?
Yeah pressure + time is the natural recipe for sedimentary rocks. I'm not sure what those white stones are made of, but quartz or gypsum might give good results.
Could you use an intensifier type setup and use the large press to actuate that as the smaller piston amplifies the pressure to a larger self contained ram and squeeze box containing the rocks? So it’s not exactly like the deep sea replicator because the pressure is acting on a ram that’s doing the compression. Maybe by increasing the hydraulic pressure to 700 bar by using the press to move a 75 mm piston pushing oil to a 250 mm piston and using a 30 mm diameter chamber there’d be enough compression to make heat from internal friction and loosely bond it into rock.
I think its cool someone invented a thing to juice lemons to the max.
Lauri I hope this is the first in a long series about teaching geology with assistance of your hydraulic press.
Haven't finished the video yet. Really hope he gets the big rock at the end. Rooting for you!
I know it's dangerous but I really would like to see some test when you not only press objects but also heat them by induction or flame. You can really get some interesting results when you heat some of elements to high temperatures and squeeze them
heat + pressure + time = rock, what you need to do is heat the rock, add pressure and wait several minutes although a day would be better and there you go rock. hope that helps my friend. love watching you crush things awesome videos.
That can be great for building thick walls for cellars when placed to correct position like bricks!
Pressure and Time? Can you press some down, and leave the pressure on for a weekend or more?
As a general advice, don't forget to wear dust protective equipment around any dust, even flour dust in lungs can cause problems.
My dad has a set of encyclopedia brittanica from the 40s or 50s there is a recipe for synthetic diamonds in there. It requires high pressure, high voltage, and high explosive. In a very heavy crucible.
You might get a better result with a well graded soil with a nice curve of fine to coarse particles and a little moisture you won’t get a “rock” but you can get some good compaction. Also lube your mould with dw40 for easier extraction
I wonder if you heat it with an oxy-fuel torch for a bit before pressing? Just until the stone begins to incandesce, around 1000F I think. Right at the Draper point.
But bake the stone first in an oven or something to drive all moisture out, so they don't explode like popcorn when you torch them.
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Its to my understanding that rocks outside with megnetic properties contain small amounts if iron and maybe other things and with that said running a large magnet through small pebbles in your yard or something will get you tons of rocks in which you can crush those, but adding heat in the process of crushing will make a better product. Consider a plate that has electricity running through it to super heat it and make sure it had a crazy high melting point so you dont deform the metal a bunch or fuse the small pebbles to it
Diamonds were formed this way, this is how I arrived at your stream. Not much happens in the rough, but your understanding has greater implication. I will spare my testimony, you are a spare inch off space travel. Stay fast good man.
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I know next to nothing about using a Hydrolic Press so I could be way off here, but have you thought about leaving the pressure there for a longer amount of time? Or, optionally, adding a small amount of some binding agent into the mix?
Dude I love your tool construction.
You need Rocks whith a needlestructural cristalization like gipsy, it recrystalizes under high prressure pretty good and therefore binds good together.
You should try firing the rock in a kiln, while still in the tool, and see if you can get it to form together better. You could make some really interesting looking rocks with this method, then perhaps turn them on the lathe to make art.
I've seen so many of theses type of videos but yet I have no idea what's the real use of a press like that