Differences Between Schools in America 🇺🇸 and New Zealand 🇳🇿 | 197 Countries, 3 Kids
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Join Chantal and Tara from KiwiAmericans as they discuss the differences between school systems in New Zealand and the US.
The first and probably most unusual thing is that children here aren’t allowed to actually start school before the day of their 5th birthday. Once they turn five at any point of the school year, they can join a classroom or wait for the start of the next school year.
Talking about school years, they run from year 1 through year 13 and are divided into primary school, middle school, and high school/college.
Students can choose to end their education in year 12, but year 13 is mandatory for everyone who wants to attend university.
Unlike in the US and Canada where students have to be accepted to college or university, in New Zealand, passing year 13 actually grants your entrance.
Another interesting fact is that the first year of UE in New Zealand is free. Unfortunately, many don’t go forward and according to Tara, making year 4 free instead of year 1 would be a lot more incentive.
Circling back to primary school, New Zealand’s teachers have an unconventional way of handling homework. While they are still present as part of the curriculum, after-school assignments are optional. So, following a long day at work or in school, Kiwis prioritize family time over doing homework.
Having said that, New Zealand has been quite successful at encouraging young minds to explore their talents. Their philosophy that promotes learning as a life-long process helps students develop a love for growth and progress.
A common classroom on the island can seem pretty chaotic to most non-locals. If you wonder why, it’s because they believe in growing and learning through actions, so children are encouraged to move and express themselves freely in open-concept classrooms.
Students usually take up sports such as rugby, cricket, kayaking, and swimming but they also have to participate in choir singing and school plays. This allows them to get exposed to as many activities as possible so they can discover their talents and interests.
Another big part of the school experience in New Zealand is uniforms. In many schools they are mandatory, especially on school trips or games. Uniforms are also a matter of pride as they represent the school you belong to and what it stands for.
It’s interesting that most schools here are either all-boys or all-girls schools, but mixed schools are also available in more populated areas. One thing is for sure, boys and girls act totally different when there is no pressure coming from the opposite sex.
As parents, when it comes to our children, safety is everything. Children in New Zealand are allowed to walk or bike to school and back, and they don’t receive active shooter training as there are none. Schools are a safe zone! They don’t even require medical checkups before enrolment.
On top of it, future education may look quite different, as online and homeschooling are evolving fast and in so many directions, particularly after COVID-19.
Hopefully, we gave you a good grasp on how education in New Zealand works, in case you are with children and planning on moving to the islands.
Enjoy the video!
00:00 Say Hi to Tara from KiwiAmericans
01:22 School Doesn’t Start in NZ Before the Actual 5th Birthday
02:11 School Years in NZ Rundown
02:47 The Pathway to UE
03:28 First Year of UE is Free
04:55 Homework is Whole Lot Different in NZ
07:22 Children Choose What They Focus On
07:44 New Zealanders - Out-of-the-Box Thinkers
08:06 Open Concept Classrooms
09:56 Nationalized Curriculum in NZ
09:24 Extracurricular Activities in NZ
11:25 Uniforms and What They Represent in NZ
12:14 All-Boys vs All-Girls Schools in NZ
15:55 Kids Can Walk Safely To School in New Zealand
18:17 School Security and Safety
19:53 Future of Education
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Wearing uniforms to school also put kids on equal footing, not as easy to see the haves and have nots. Which I think is important
Yeah it’s great in that respect.
Agreed ! A few schools in the USA do have "uniforms" basically a simple requirement of polo shirt/blouse and trousers in the same school colors.
When i was in school it was primmers-age 5-6, junior, ages 7-8. I was in a small school of 4 class rooms. Standards were ages 9-10. intermediate (our school was so small they stayed with the little kids as their was no separate school) 11-12 forms went to high school.age 13-17. I didnt have a lot of homework if at all growing up until I hit high school. Redulious!!!! So glad I raised my daughter in America until aged 12(nz may have changed but I loved American life). My daughter in america at age 6 got some daily homework but it wasnt stressfull. When it got harder at age 8 I put her into afterschool care as I taught different from the teacher.
Totally agree and not everyone has a huge closets (wallet to support spending) and every child has their own bedroom in their tiny home.
Why do people think this? I was poor asf going up and had third generation of hand me down uniform. So it didn't help me and my friends. If anything it isolated us from the kids who had rich parents.
After living in NZ for 15 years, I realised that the education system in New zealand is designed to fit the New zealand life style...(Laid back).
There is no point to stress kids with loads of homework if they will end up living in a relaxing, drama-free environment.
Thank you guys, love your videos ❤️ 🌹
It's getting designed for balance. Work life balance can't come naturally if it's not taught in childhood.
As mother after school my my time. Not academic time. Kids had life skills to learn and I had to show them what open communication looks like.
No way. The education system is shit lmao
I agree the more laid back is true for some things, but there is a high standard in regular business at least where I worked at Fonterra. so retail that may be true but don’t compare that to corporate. But I did like the go home at 4pm.
as a kiwi who is in year 13 and always lived in nz, respectfully i disagree with the idea theres not loads of homework. unless u live south and its more chill there
@@mrFalconlem it's a different kind of high standard than just keeping up the pace of work. Some places outside of NZ prioritise efficiency at the expense of quality.
The other thing you forgot to mention is that in New Zealand high schools in particular we have school houses like in Hogwarts. Each with their own name, colour etc. and they compete in an annual competition and sports days etc.
Yess!! This is a big one.
Thats new to me don't remember having those in my days 70s-80s
@@rna8arnold been happening since the 90s when I was at high school
Yeah ... Back in the 80s my Intermediate and High School had Houses ... Fun excuse to wear House coloured mufti clothes and or paint and chant like maniacs 📢😁👍
@@lornaamaru3732 My college still does this!
The good thing about school uniforms is regardless of how wealthy or poor you are you are not destinguishing classes.
Exactly.
When I was going to school we couldn't afford new uniform so it was either hand me downs, op shops or the school lost and found. So a mix of clothes 4 sizes to big one size too small holey patchy and faded clothes were the norm. The worst is, when the school updates the uniform and your wearing the 1960 version compare to the modern day one.
So needless to say them classes were clearly distinguishable
Kids in Remuera and Herne Bay would disagree.
@@jahpaipa alot of kids wear hand me down unoforms and clothing in general. It just makes sense and isnt something that only poor people do. Alot of parents will give clothes even uniforms to people they know or even just met. Just cos its a waste to just throw it away. Uniforms are expensive too. Like $100+ for the skirt alone, only to have your kid outgrow their uniform in 6 months and then theres shoes. Some people arent fortunate enough to get hand me downs and struggle getting the uniform.
And you keep your own clothes for your free time,.
I never minded wearing a uniform and apart from the occasion whine about a specific bit of their school uniform ( eg wearing a tie, or the length of the skirt) most kids really don't mind, because everyone does it. It's normal.
My uncle used to joke that back in his day, when they did multi-school dances you would have the boys school on one wall, the girls school on the opposite wall, and the co-ed schools in the middle actually dancing and having fun.
They didn’t know how to interact. 😂😂I guess this is why it’s important to have them socialize in after school curricular activities.
When I had to enroll my kids to school in USA I was shocked at how little free time there was in the schedule. Lunch was only 20-30 mins, and very little recess time. Growing up in NZ we had 15 mins breaks at morning tea time and afternoon tea time as well as 1 hour for lunch. I also had the same experience at work there were no mid-morning or mid-afternoon coffee/tea breaks. Lunch was 30 mins or if youre were lucky 1 hour. Also here in the States there is very little vacation time off compared to NZ.
Perhaps we really are hobbits 🤔
I'm Kiwi living in Germany. Wait until you try it here. I have 34 vacation days a year and one of the highest number of public holidays in Europe. I literally don't know what to do with my vacation days.
When I went to university in NZ in the 1970's, we paid for 10% of the fees and the government paid 90%. That continued every year, but only if you passed the exams. It worked really well as, for example, when doctors graduated they were required to work where the government Health Department told them to. So there were always doctors where they were needed.
Strangely enough the politicians that took that system away were the very people that benefitted from it in the first place . Teacher's College PAID people to attend back then and a graduate was obligated to spend a few years teaching to pay it back , which guaranteed students a job at the end of study and provided a pool of educators .
I would encourage those who benefited from that in the 70s to look at political parties who want to support future generations in the same way
The university first year is designed that way so kids have a chance to figure out what they want to do with a whole year to try different things without having to bankrupt themselves or their parents.
I went to High school on the same road as Auckland Zoo haha. We had a drill incase animals escaped. We also did a project for my Environmental Science class where we created these feeders for Kea's (Very smart birds) and they had to be tricky to get into to stimulate the birds brains and we got to try them out in the enclosures at the zoo :)
How did the experience n epiramint go ? Did the kea's get there food
We had earthquake drills in Wellington 😳
how is western springs high school?
Earthquake, natural disaster drills
The optional homework thing is generally a new thing . I'm 27 and we had loads of homework in primary and intermediate. Kids these days have it easy at school now. It's hard to say if they're even learning anything anymore 😅
That might have been the particular school or your family culture. I am 38 had had virtually no homework growing up, until high school. And my kids are learning incredible things now in comparison to what I learned at school, they are able to do stuff at year 8 that I didn't learn until late high school! The creativity with teaching now in comparison to when I was a kid is just awesome. Kids learn how to learn and think now, not just to repeat facts and figures.
As a part time educator late in life I am continually amazed at how good teachers are , and the amazing opportunities and resources available . My own observations are that the kids that do well have a home situation that encourages them after school . The ones you see in the public library , out at cultural events , playing sport , doing stuff . Politicians moan and whinge about the ' 10 percent that fall through the cracks ... ' To me that fails to acknowledge the 90% that DON'T .
@@weehudyy I am moving into the special education sector now, because I don't believe any child should fall through the cracks. But you are right, children need a village of home, parents, siblings, extended family, life experiences, and school with teachers, as well as other community members involved in their education. But success doesn't always look like academics either, there are many ways to be successful in life!
You forgot to mention the Dental Clinics, usually attached to Intermediate schools. These offer free dental care to pre primary, primary and intermediate children. High School kids can attend dental clinics free until the age of 18.
That’s amazing!!
I see more and more kids ending up with anxiety, panic attacks and depression because of the current school system in the US. There’s way too much pressure. I hope you are right that education and the work environment will have to change. I agree that it should change but I’m afraid that the education system is very stuck in their ways and don’t want to change.
My youngest last year did most of his schooling during our covid lock down on line and he still achieved his level 2
My daughter did a year’s exchange to Mesa, Arizona. I remember when I went to visit her at the end of her time there and I was so shocked to learn that they locked the kids up and that the classrooms had no windows! Attending the graduation was very interesting and I got a sense of how much a big deal it was to graduate. I wondered if it was because the majority of the kids at her school in Mesa weren’t going onto tertiary education. (Lower socioeconomic school than what she attended in NZ, which was a Catholic girls school.) I have to say, though, that the experience matured her no end and she came back a much more focussed and settled child!
Locked the kids up?
You two ladies are fantastic! And this is from an old widower, whose father was a progressive school teacher who shared your your views fifty years ago!
I would hate to see schooling go digital,its so important to have that interaction with other people,probably OK for university but definitely not in younger age groups. Education is as much about social interaction as it is about maths or any other subject.
If there's one thing universities have learned from 2020, it's that most students want the face-to-face interaction. Especially true for subjects like engineering where there is lots of project work where the group of students has to be in the same room to work on the equipment.
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Welp, it's going digital
agreeing with you. my girl loves digital for social. but for school she hates it. she likes face to face interactions. she can't express herself by digital method.
Even a well trained puppy needs social interaction with it's peers
With regard to school uniforms, we have schools that the pupils have raised the issue about having a school uniform when the school didn't have one. It's is also known that the kids have asked for a formal jacket when the school uniform was only a jersey as the top garment.
Thanks you so much for these remarkable videos across the globe in 2021!
Back in the day the most terrifying thing ever was when the Girls college students came to the Boys College for dance classes, sitting opposite the Girls and searching for a face that might be kind to you and accept your inability to dance well was just that ... terrifying ! 😢
😂😂😂
😂 Brings back memories
@@meg7088 So how were your toes ? 😁
@@harrycurrie9664 😂 they got trodden on a few times and you?
@@meg7088 Haha, I got sick of saying sorry ! 😢.... thank god the limbo, the twist, and the stomp came along. 😁
On the gender separated schools, I had quite an interesting "best of both worlds" experience where I went to an all boys school, but we had a sister school and we would attend classes between the 2 since they were a close enough walk.
The idea meant that not only did we have that interaction between us, but we could have more opportunities and stuff for it. Like I attended the girls school for digital art and some girls attended the boys school for Te Reo cause they were where the teachers who could run the classes were based essentially.
Looking back it really seems like the most ideal way to get a lot of the benefits from both schooling ideologies as I can remember having as many classes boys only as mixed
Hi from Christchurch new Zealand folks hope everyone is having a great day 😷👍🇳🇿
Hi Dean, hope you are having a great day too!
@@GrowingUpWithoutBorders great thanks glad you're still enjoying our country hope you will be here for a while longer 😃👍 you seem to be making lots of friends here 🇳🇿😷👍
I live here in NZ and the kids do, do a lockdown training at there school. Lockdown training is about having someone on the the school grounds or in the area that is unstable.
Is that more a thing in the cities? It's not being done in my area
@@5Seed I'd say so, I lived in a city school for a while then I went to a school with like 23 kids, its very different
NZ has better weather then most places in the USA. So the outdoors can be included into more daily life.
At my college we had outdoor education, which we did alot of outdoor activities. Was bloody amazing
But you can never trust NZ weather, bro it will literally be sunny as with no clouds and then it rains out of nowhere.
@@arandomman9934 or earthquake 🙀🙀🙀
The problem with the NZ education system is there is far too much conceptual based learning at a young age - particularly at primary school level. This has resulted in NZ kids falling behind their peers from other OECD countries in subjects like mathematics and science.
Can you elaborate (eg on "conceptual based")? My maths learning was enhanced when I had to start lugging a text book back and forth (home to school) in Sydney. It had cartoons in it and an answers section. The other difference was probably that my more competent friend was allowed to offer support where as NZ teachers cut short our conversations believing the talking to be the reason behind my struggles.
I have lived in NZ my whole life and I completely agree with everything you guys are saying!!! Soo accurate! Awesome video guys!!
Chantal: I really love your great videos across the world in 2021...
In PG county in Maryland USA, all public schools have uniform. They are not rigorous about the style but the color are mandatory. For example if the colors for your school are blue and yellow you can wear pants, shorts or skirts and polos or shirts.
To make the final year free is really a very good idea. Makes sense indeed. Very nice video, loved it
Yes participation in all school activities has been a requirement since I was in primary school in the early 90s, it fosters unity and teamwork.
Early 90s?
It's been the case for much longer than that.
Went to school in the 70s. We had to do metalwork, woodwork, home-economy, PE, typewriting, music, tech-drawing.
Also camping trips are a normal part of the curriculum. Kids get the chance to experience being away from home. Taken out of their comfort zones and forced adapt and get to develop confidence skills.
Kids start learning at kindergarten from aged 3. They go to school from 5 but yes if your birthday is November or December you can wait till the beginning of the next school year to start. But it's fun to get a feel of what schools going to be like once they begin more intense learning the next year.
Interesting to learn how school is now since my time in the 80's and 90's. Nice informative video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
great video, I'm a kiwi and had no idea the first year of uni is free now, that's great!
@@nzrabbit77 I've never heard of that either!
Left wing policy likely?
That’s a good point - they didn’t give us a choice !!! Had to do music , swimming , sports , cross country running , athletics, ball room dancing !!! Cooking , metal work, wood work , sewing .... I look back and they did a good job ! lol
That’s great!
Luv u ladies and luv ur view of our world that we take 4 granted!
I wish u well and luv hearing everything u comment on!
So special
Some primary schools start New Entrants at the beginning of the term after the child turns 5 rather than on their actual birthday.
Really interesting. Thanks!
You two Ladies are doing such a valuable service for New Zealand you are both to be very highly commended.
Thanks ladies, very informative.
My youngest granddaughters birthday is in April, we applied to start her at the beginning of the school year, she was asked to come in for an evaluation, and was allowed to start on day one for the year. It can be done, but then, my partner is an M.A ed, and I'm a retired University senior tutor so we've a better understanding of the systems than most people.
Great info you shared!
I'm legit tearing up I cannot imaging being worried about a school shooting it makes me sick, for reference I was born in 1988 and from New Zealand
Awesome post!!! A child in NZ can actually start school at age 4yrs, s/he do not have to start school by 5yrs but they do have to be enrolled at school by age 6yrs, in other words a child can start school between the ages of 4yrs to 6yrs. I already appreciate our schools, but listening to some of the differences made me appreciate NZ's school's more. Thank you from Tairawhiti, East Coast.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the feedback.
We were in Tairawhiti a while back. We’re working on this video and will have it ready to go live soon.
@@GrowingUpWithoutBorders 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 awesome I’ll look forward to the vid on Tairawhiti. Thank you.
They can't start school before their 5th birthday, which is why so many start right on their birthday. The school does have "school visits" for children for about a month prior to their start date to help them settle in.
This discussion was really interesting! especially both your views on the high schools. I did all my education in Australia, as did my kids, now grown up - and in Oz we often have the choice of either co-ed or single sex high schools. From my experience, I believe i the choice of type of high school depends on the individual child. What suits one child may not suit their younger sibling(s) - though, well-rounded, confident children may do well in either type of school. There's a view that the following boys may benefit and perform better in single sex schools: those without older brothers or a strong male influence in their lives; those who struggle to perform academically, are not conversationally adept, and who don't focus well. They are said to achieve more in an environment where they are not constantly outperformed by the girls (who mature faster), they receive their discipline from mostly male teachers, the day can be structured to work with shorter attention spans, and excess energy is released via strong focus on traditional male sports. For girls, in addition to the benefits you mentioned, girls are said to perform better in all-girls' schools, because they are less likely to be self-censoring, (not concerned about appearing "too brainy" in front of boys or deferring to boys who can be more dominant in the classroom), also they will see more role models of girls who are academically successful. It is often believed that all-girls' classrooms have fewer "behavioral problems" than co-ed ones.
I went to a girls' high school ( government school). I had no older brothers, or even older male cousins, my only brother was 5 years younger than me, so there were never teenage boys visiting my home (unlike my friends who had older brothers and therefore were exposed to groups of young males around). I dreamed of meeting teenage males and wished I had been sent to a co-ed high school. I observed at the time that the junior girls were immature, almost hysterical when around boys. If a teenage boy in the street walked past my school, the teacher would lose control of the nearest class (if it was a junior one), all the girls would be giggling exclaiming and rushing to the window. So it's possible that single sex schools can exacerbate a gender's worst tendencies (in boys, this might be male chauvinism and ockerism). However the social mix is just one of a number of factors that parents take into account, and there is no question that my girls' high school nourished me in other ways-- academically it helped me a lot. In the end, I'm very happy that parents and their children have options.
The amount of homework your child receives depends on the school. From Year 1 through to High School, my daughter had homework. Teachers were happy to hand more homework if you wanted that. She had plenty of sport in all her schools and was exposed to different types. Performing Arts are offered at High Schools as well. My daughter wore uniforms through Primary to High School. Saves money in the long run, and no pressure on your child to keep up with other children.
I never really had any homework😊
They allow you to have home school. Many farm family has home school and they have correspondence school and you can ring the teacher over the phone.
Project learning is already in New Zealand. My youngest goes to a school that do exactly that. Very different but she loves it.
That’s amazing. I had never heard of it before.
When I was a kid in New Zealand, we used to have so much homework and we'd get in trouble if we didn't finish it. Now, the kids I look after never have homework! And unfortunately , the first-year free of uni only started just after I finished my degree! So maybe i should've been born five years later 😅 It's good things have changed for the kids now though!!
Here in nz our teachers are actually the ones that follow what you would call a text book, in a way. So basically they have set topics or lessons they have to teach through curtain days weeks and terms of the year, and they are basically given freedom with how they teach us each lesson. So say each teacher is required to teach fractions. One teacher could do it in a physical lesson with objects, where as maybe another teacher would chose to teach it on paper and follow the book, it’s so awesome actually:
And in my classes with my teachers, sometimes they even got us to chose how they did the lessons sometimes. And also, the teachers start and finish school earlier and later than the students. So the teachers are at school weeks before the student, learning the curriculum for the year, and setting up they’re lessons and classrooms. And when each term and year is finished the teachers are still there a week or two after the students reviewing the year.
In NZ some parents can opt to have their kid start school at 6 if due to various circumstances. Also, the first year for free for uni is a new incentive and I really wish they had made the third year free (final uni year) as I know heaps of stories of people now going to uni just for partying and the experience before dropping out in year 2.
How many dropped out before the first year? I can say the exact same thing 20 years ago
Its tuition free, it doesn't give you money to party. It is so important to get poorer people into college.
I wonder if STEM should be free now, as long as you qualify and pass
You have to pay for your first year of uni if you don’t graduate
That year of free uni is a recent thing that Cindy brought in. She was going to gradually make all of uni free but then the pandemic hit.
It would be modeling more the European ways than. It makes sense to me. In the US is mainly a business model and good cash cow for many.
Don't think NZ can afford it. Already fees are.very high because of Govt funding. Once finis fully funded the universities will try to bleed the Givt dry. The Govt might even have to restrict the numbers going through or base it of passing grades the previous year.
@@blinkybill2198 Better to have uni for the brightest than for the richest.
Most school have 'intakes' so they don't have kids starting every day of the week. Also, a lot of schools have a reception room where children start and stay there for a few weeks before moving off as a class with a teacher.
Also 3or 4 school visits is common for a few hours to half a day for the weeks leading up to starting.
@@ChrisHPSNZ so transition
My sister lives in NZ since 2004 & found the entry age at 5 I found odd also. Her oldest child's birthday is November so he did 2 months so year 1, then started back in the new year in Feb back in year 1. My niece birthday then is April so she stayed in year 1 & continued on into year 2 the next school year.
If you start school in the first half of the year you are a year one if you start school in the second half of the year you would be year zero
@@jerryatu5514 I do remember my sister mentioning year zero bot though the kids all started at year zero form the way she mentioned the schooling system
Legally you don't have to send your kid to school until they are 6. So you could start them at the start of the year
Homework definitely varies depending on the curriculum. I had homework most of primary-intermediate and we we’re definitely told off or your parents were informed if you weren’t handing in your work in Friday’s . I’m in university now so it might’ve changed?
Nah bro… it’s still the same
It used to be Primmer 1 to 5,then Standard 1 and 2,and them Form 3 to 7 when I was at school.
I guess it changed over the years. Thanks for sharing!
Same here. I still get confused with ‘years’ and what’s NCEA again? and what do you mean an ‘E’ is better than any ‘A’?
Same here. Primer 1 and 2.
Standard 1 to 4.
Forms 1 to 7.
It changed it like 2005 when i was standard 2 going on 3rd form
Yep. As an 80s kid that what I grew up with to.
I love her explanation of our NZ education system. However, all watching this, please know that like all countries, there are some things that could be a bit better and some things that could be different. But, love hearing the differences again between our country's!
Yeah and it can vary even within the country so much especially in the US. Thanks for dropping us a line!
I agree about subsidizing in the last year of uni because the statistics have shown for years that many do not complete their
First year. Guess they are using the time as a gap year of sorts, meeting new friends for socialising😊 Not everyone needs to go to university as some would go for technical or trade qualifications at the polytechnic. Say, one might go for cad/draughting specializing in building design certification and then thru the years they might decide that they would like to continue qualification to engineering degree where their work experiences can be accounted for in parts of their engineering degree. There is a choice to do this thru polytechnic or university. It is all about lifetime learning.
If you don't complete the first year then you have to pay back the fees.
During P.E. you did a little bit of everything here and if you enjoyed something you could've signed up for an extra curricular sport. Went to a mixed high school and we got a lot of transfers out of the boy and girls only schools as we were a lot more lax than they were. Every school I had had some form of computer, during primary the COWs (computer on wheels) went from class to class where as intermediate and up every student had a laptop be it their own or through the school. We had programming classes, or product and design where you'd design and make a product throughout the year. Every school differs even when based around the curriculum
Also if a someone wants to drop out of school, they have to be 16 at the time of dropping out, if your not 16 you get given choices like Home schooling, YMCA, etc etc, these alternative education although don't teach you as much as what school would do, you can earn your NCEA levels faster as long as you have a good attendance rate
Once upon a time you could legally leave school at 15.... and hold a drivers license.
@@harrycurrie9664 Yup I was 15 when I left school but I needed to prove that I had a full time job or something equivalent before I was aloud to drop out.
@@jahpaipa What year was that ? Back in 1950's - 60's many left school at 15, not because they were drop-outs but more for financial reasons, there were plenty of jobs for everyone.
@@harrycurrie9664My last year at school was 2004.
For me financial reasons were definitely a factor but the main reason I left was because I hated it lol
Can ya'll comment on what you did for health insurance when you first arrived? And how did the kids do adjusting to the schools
Yet another fun and informative session! Great to get some answers to the schooling that l was wondering about because it's so long ago since l was there in the 60's and 70's. We had fire drills then but that was it. Now l believe earthquake drills are mandatory. Both of you young ladies are SuperMums!!👍🏻💕
piano man ...we had earthquake drills in the 70s when i was in primary school so they have been around a while...lol
@@graemesinclair3762 I went to a Catholic school and maybe it was a "hiding from Satan" exercise that l got confused with. 😄 Actually now l think a little deeper l can remember hiding under the desk. Good days! Off the subject but my mum was a Sinclair from the Balclutha area.
I remember nuclear bomb drills in the 70s...ridiculous. Duck and cover.
You two are so cute being together. Love to hear you two talking about nz. Yes! Different ways our country run things. You know that my nz is not that bad. The only thing that run us down is the cost. Yes! Everything are too dear. You will adapt to the way of life here. ✨ either you love 💘it, or hate it.
I am quite curious as to what experiences and schools you went to in New Zealand because being a student myself a lot of these things are very different. Some class we have open spaces and desks with multiple people sitting together and others are in rows facing the teacher. I would also like to add that if homework is given it isn’t optional. Personally I have at most 1 hour of home work a day and most of that are things our we didn’t complete in class because teachers kept talking about things. Most of the things mentioned in this Vedic happen in some schools and not in others. I have found that the ways teachers teach are good for some people in the laid back way and others who want to learn lots it doesn’t help them (from personal experience) in general this was a very interesting video to listen to and hearing the different experiences you both had.
Thanks for this great video. I am from Chile and went to college in the US. Now I have a Kid and really looking forward to move to NZ and apply for a job. Love this type of system for the future of my kid.
Best of luck! I hope you can go to NZ!
The homework conversation is very interesting as my kids school said that if adults wouldnt accept doing 2 hours of work at home, why should we expect the kids should? At her school it's only work they didnt finish during the school day, or something less than 30 mins like spelling or reading.
That great and makes a lot of sense.
Primary schools have a child centred approach in NZ whereby children work at a pace that’s appropriate for them and on their next learning steps (usually in a group with other kids but not always). The idea is that kids learn and grow through social interaction, there’s lots of small group work. The research shows that homework is a complete waste of time and effort, with the exception of reading and rote learning (such as timetables). We reward kids for doing homework, but we don’t punish them for not doing it. This is because some children live in environments that are not conducive for completing homework, it’s sometimes not their fault that homework didn’t get done. The research also shows that girls do better academically at all girls schools, but boys do better in co-ed. Boys tend to pull girls down, but girls tend to pull boys up. Quick question for you, are high schools in the US really as clicky and mean as they are portrayed in movies?
When my children were in primary school the only homework was for the parents to read with the children each night.
Nice!
The thing I like about uniforms at my school is that you just have to wear a red shirt, like there is a uniform red shirt but you don't have to wear that one all the time since it was a country school and clothes would get really dirty, then black pants, but not many people wore them, and a hat which you could bring your own hat but your advised to wear the school one, and you only wore them in summer and spring, then jackets, they are really cosy and warm, but you can bring your own which was pretty popular, then everything else was free rein, your allowed to colour your hair (I died my hair red then later on my friend dyed the bottom of her hair pink) and you can wear your own shoes and socks and bracelets (I was the only one who did it tbh) and a lot of other things
Sounds like it works nicely for you plus it's a little flexible too. How nice!
yeah, that school was really good
About single-sex schools, I think most are split because the schools become too large (at least that's what happened to my college. The boys' school has maybe 1700 or more students, and the girls' is about 1500 at the moment).
I did teacher training and the focus is on the teacher being a 'facilitator of learning.' They're not there to 'chalk and talk.' They want children to learn how to think. It's not 'look at me, I'm the teacher.' I went to school in the US when I was a kid for about six months when I was 10. I loved that science and US history was taught at a really young age. We had 'social studies' in primary school where we learnt about cultures etc around the world. We're FINALLY getting New Zealand history being taught in New Zealand! I think the curriculum is starting next year. About time!
Back in the 80s, I went to Kindergarten, then primary School and there junior 1 - 6, and standard 1 - 5, Intermediate School was Form 1 - 2 and High School was Form 3 -7 and was 3 terms, till early to first part of mid 90s.
I went to a Co Ed school initially and then switched to an all girls school in 6th form (now called year 12). The Co Ed school was much better socially and more of a community but I focused and did much better academically in the all girls school. Also, in our area our primary schools go all the way to year 8 and we don't have intermediate schools
The project based learning is food for thought, really interesting!
I have 2 high schoolers, my 18 yr old is at Palmerston North Boys High and is yr 13 and my 16 yr old daughter is at Palmerston North Girls High in yr 11. In yrs 9 and 10 each school hosts the combined junior dance. Both kids chose in yr 7 where they wanted to go so made it easy lol. My daughter has been in a streamed class (one of the top 2 classes in her yr level) and is also doing yr12 computer science even tho she wants to become a pathologist and live in a castle on the edge of a forest where she has deers and unicorns that come visit lmao
If you are born says between Christmas to almost end of January you can only start when the school is open.
Bear in mind this woman is University level educator and she had her kids in a PRIVATE school which shows how much faith she had in the American Public School system . There is a reason the US is currently around 30th in world educational rankings , despite being the richest country the world has ever known . The fact that she teaches public speaking yet continually says ' would of , could of ... ' instead of ' would have , could have ' is a tell .
When I went to university in New Zealand it was completely free. They started charging after I left.
Diploma is level 5. Bachelors and post grads level 6 and 7. Doctorate and masters not sure but assuming it's 8 and 9. Polytechnics are not considered universities, they are considered tertiary education but do levels 1 2 3 and so on including up to levels 8 and 9. These levels are completely different to secondary education levels or college levels. The tertiary levels start after college.
Bachelors 7, post grad 8, masters 9 and doctorate 10.
have you ever experienced as a teacher that whenever us nz do assembly we most of the time do south pacific island traditional dances?
That’s cool!
The separate boys and girls high schools are more a north Island thing down here in Ōtautahi we have alot of mixed high schools for example . Burnside. Aranui. Mairehau Middleton Grange Riccarton Hornby etc
That's interesting that the north and south would be different like that.
Year 11 was school cert., year 12 was University entrance exams.... year 13 was bursaries, higher leaving cetificate and scholarships ... or has that all changed now?
Continuous school starts after turning 5 years old was something that happened in my state in Australia as well. Once education and the curriculum was nationalised though, each state had to follow the national curriculum and 5 year olds could only start school at the beginning of a school year.
As for the future of education, one thing that this past year has demonstrated is that digital and online learning is not the way forward. It's been a failure everywhere, intensely disliked by students and parents. The social aspect of interacting with others in real life, not digitally, is important. For children especially, a school site is their social life, it's not something that can be replicated online.
I agree for the social aspect but I think many were ill prepared for online curriculums and this is why it’s not successful. If you have a good system in place for it, it’s totally doable.
@@GrowingUpWithoutBorders The issue with online learning isn't what curriculum is available. Schools continued to use their country's national curriculum, International schools used the IB, or whatever National Curriculum they followed British International used British National Curriculum, Australian the Australian one. US system used Common Core,, French used the lycée.
Online learning only works well for middle class students who have access to good technology, reliable, fast and stable internet and a parent or care giver who can support, and in the case of younger students, do some of the teaching.
It was a miserable failure for the most vulnerable students, and they're the ones that need a supportive education model to break the cycle they're in. Education lifts so many people out of poverty, by moving it online puts another roadblock in front of those students that they either overcome or become overwhelmed and don't complete their education. And condemns them to lower wage jobs and the cycle of poverty continues.
Generally that is what happened, regardless of where in the world the students were situated, at the beginning of online learning the majority of students participated. As time progressed the drop out rate, either not appearing to scheduled online times with teachers, or just appearing with a blank screen, not completing tasks increased. With no outreach possible because of lockdowns, no homework clubs, no in person school support. Those students were lost. The UK is now putting money into education programs for students to 'catch up' whether they work or not remains to be seen.
I get frustrated when I see online learning touted as the way forward, education is more than just academics, it's also incredibly important for vulnerable students and the inperson, bricks and mortar delivery of education is the most equitable and supportive mode of education.
The reason there is no requirement for pupils to have a medical clearance before enrolling in school in NZ has less to do with the public health system and more to do with the fact that people are far less litigious here. If/when a pupil is injured on school grounds or while in the care of the school, the parents are very unlikely to sue the school. Generally a civil action would only be considered in circumstances where the injuries are life altering or long term/permanent. Whereas in the US minor accidents can often prompt legal action by the parents.
I still don't know why they do this. The medical our girls did was pretty basic...weight, eye sight, listen to the heart and that was about it.
Nope, it is because NZ has ACC and therefore most people will not litigate for funds to cover medical expenses, for the exception of negligence or breach of health and safety laws, then one should be encouraged to litigate, that is to gain substantial compensation over and above what ACC covers/allows.
My kids did homework nightly in NZ from Primary onwards - it was never “just an option”
Thanks for sharing. So I guess it’s mandatory. Maybe it was different for where Tara’s kids went to school.
There were projects we had to do that you worked on in school or continue it at home
I can confirm starting at 5 years old... My birthday is in December so I joined the following year but I was moved up a year when I was 6 or 7
My son went to an all boys school they always have a sister school but it was really good as the classes are designed for boys learning.
That’s interesting feedback. Catered to boys learning.
2:11 That 'years' thing is not the real Kiwi tradition. That used to be the British system: primers (pronounced primmers), then standards, then forms. So at least two years in the primers (three if you were slow), so Primer 1, Primer 2, (Primer 3), Primer 4. Then Standard 1 to 4. That was Primary School. Then came Intermediate School, Form 1 and Form 2. Then High School/College, Forms 1 to 5, and Form 6 and 7 if you stayed on past age 15. Then University. The years thing and the 'middle school' thing are recent imports from somewhere. And are far harder to comprehend that the simple divisions we used to have.
That’s interesting.
I'm not arguing with you, but I find it interesting when older people find the old system easier than the newer. To me, having only ever used the Years system, it seems like there's no logic (why so many categories lol), as opposed to your year being how many years you've been in the education system. Eg if you've been at school 13 years you would be Year 13, which makes more sense to me than 7th Form
My youngest son does his home before he finishes school day and emails it to his teacher so he doesn't do any home and he still achieves
I definitely agree with what you mentioned. Education is changing globally.
I have lived in New Zealand all my life. Health care is free in New Zealand for its residents does not mean you get the best medical attention. Most of these doctors don't even bother to look at you in the eyes when diagnosing minor health issues....I don't know if this is just personal experience.......or just the fact they cannot be bothered being at work from 9am to 5pm or it various from medical branch across New Zealand.
You can visit the doctors as many times as you want before they finally give you treatment that works for something as simple as itchy skin. If you want proper health care you pay for it - see a specialist and have it subsidized/claimed through your health insurance provider which is close enough to being free.
One thing you did not mention was free dental care for high school students. The school dentist would set appointments during the school day and will send for each student for an annual dental check up usually while a class is in session. Not sure if they also do that in the states.
One thing I was curious about was whether in the states they had what's called a "Study Period" for final year students.in college.
That’s really good insight. They definitely don’t offer dental care in the US at all to any age kid.
Thanks for sharing the other info.
Do you know much about Te Tiriti o Waitangi & do you know what it means to be a tangata Tiriti?
My nephew graduated and he is working and has to pay board $ to his parents. If he goes back to uni then his parents will be happier and he is not required to pay board.
That makes sense to me.
Schools in NZ have visiting Public Health Nurses for primary schools and Intermediate and Secondary schools have their own Nurse at the school provided free. Any injury is covered under ACC. ACC is New Zealand's accident compensation scheme. It provides no-fault personal injury compensation cover to all NZ residents /citizens and if they are injured overseas and also to visitors injured in NZ.
That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing!
i went to an all girls school and my partner went to an all boys school but what was cool was his school was our 'brother school', most single-sex schools have a sister/brother school who they do sports and other activities with, like i did kapa haka with the brother school and we had dances with them etc.
Theres a school here in Auckland Called Saint kents (Pakuranga) it a mixed school but till year 11 there is only girl ot boy classes then goes to mixed at year 11
Best teacher I ever saw was an old lady, she had so much confidence and so little need of a job, she would do things like say to a kid, go outside and kick the ball or shoot hoops until you’re tired the come back. Or, how many would like to sing for a while, then if enough said yes they’d sing and the rest would do something else. She “cured” so many “problem” kids.
That’s amazing! What a fantastic teacher. 🤩💕
@@GrowingUpWithoutBorders yes, I don’t know how old she was, but I suspect in her late 70s or early 80s. Another of her skills was to teach primary school kids to read music really fast. She was an accomplished pianist, she would get small groups of kids competing to pick notes, sharps and flats, then introduce notation to them, the kids would end up teaching each other. She was eclectic in her choice of music, anything to identify the point she was making then having the students identify music they knew to illustrate a point
Have you thought about reaching out to LIANZA, which is the Library Association of NZ in doing a guest speakers appearance,
they have an annual event, =its very clicky to work in a library.
Did you know their is no collective noun for a gathering of Librarians?
My Library at AUT university does annual half day shutdowns to talk about library stuff.
Is this a promo theme idea about remote education?
Hey is bullying common in those schools? How is it handled? Someone had said that young suicide is number one in NZ and that bullying in schools may have to do with that. I’d like to hear your experience with that.
The biggest difference is no doubt that the schools in NZ are seen as place were kids are safe, in the US they are not. Why is this NOT top of the list, and seen as the most important issue by far?
The fifth birthday rule has changed in the last year, kids turning five in a certain school term can start school at the beginning of that term.
That's cool! Thanks for sharing!
Further to your School "Years/Grades" comment; Years only came in here in the mid-'90s. Before that, Primary school was New Entrants (NE), Junior (J) 1 & 2, Standard (Std) 1 - 4 and then either off to Intermediate School for Form 1 & 2, or stay at your Primary School through to F2. Secondary School was 3rd - 7th Forms. The Predecessor of NCEA L1, School Certificate was sat in 5th Form, Sixth Form Certificate (NCEA L2) was obviously sat in the 6th Form and University Bursary and Scholarship (NCEA L3) was sat in 7th Form. NE/Year 1 is analogous to your "Kindergarten", and although it's traditional to start school on your 5th birthday here, you're not legally required to be enrolled in and going to school until age 6. :-)
You dont actually have to start school when your child is 5, 6 is the legal age so you can wait if you are wanting too. You can also wait until a new term you don't have to start as soon as they turn 5.
Thanks for sharing. For me it's still strange that you can send your child to school mid-way through a term.