Why are Professional Skateboarders Broke?
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What do you think the landscape of skateboarding will look like in 10 years?
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Mmm think in the evolution of martial arts.
probably more expensive stuff, less accessability, wood shortages, class action lawsuits, crazystuff on the negative side...
Positively many skateboarders wont quit and will diversify the sport with humanitarian and naturalist efforts
The skateboard industry is very much like the music industry.
interesting comparison i guess i dont know too much about music but sounds like itunes/internet/Spotify came in the same way
instead of 360 deals we have 360 flips
you'll have to expound as I'm in music / entertainment industry and I don't see the correlation - does Nijha really use auto-tune on those switch flips? Everyone I know in music makes money off music and sessions they play on... not red bull deals.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777, Awesome! I’m glad to hear you’re making a living from music.
Skateboarding and music industries are probably similar but does skating have a Pdiddy or Suge Knight. 😃
I still think social media hurt skateboarding way more than it helped. Skaters where making good money in the late 90s Early to mid 00s before every one wanted to do there own solo things and skateboarding got over saturated.
Dude back in the 90s, people were only making like 500 or 1000 a month from companies like alien workshop.
You needed a tee shirt sponsor like Eziekeil or Four Star or Quicksilver or Matix, then a shoe sponsor, bones or lucky bearings, Pig or Spitfire wheels and a truck sponsor if u wanted to bring home like 2 or 3 grand a month.
Pros got NOHING for boards sales....literally like 3 to 5 bucks per deck.
companies nowadays aren't looking for talented skaters so much as they're looking for marketable individuals, like Bam back in 2004. Talented skaters come and go, a few skaters manage to become legends but only amongst their peers. Trust and believe, If Logan Paul could kickflip down a 3 set, Nike would be pounding on his front door with a blank check lol. It also doesn't help that skateboarding in recent years has been shifting away from its image of athleticism and talent and has began to cater to individuals who prefer cruising on longboards or penny boards. Learning how to do an ollie through blood and sweat isnt as appealing to the new generation as cruising on a penny board while recording yourself on tik tok.
Nowadays!?!?
(Warning…lots of rambling).
That’s ALWAYS been the case everywhere.
If a company can figure out how to make a buck, they will do that.
It just happens that talent attracts attention, but that isn’t always necessary.
Example - sxe sells. So, it’s injected into all kinds of products where the model has NOTHING to do with the product.
Anyhow. Rambling.
Main thing is that now, with social media, if someone has a large following, they can get comp attention.
Just look at Ricky and some (most/all?) the influencers he reached out to about skating…
Some of those people are attractive and have a large following.
= more view. More exposure.
logan paul viewer are retarded kids and wouldn last in a skateboard for more than 12 seconds . it would bacfire so fkn hard on the skate culture that i dont know if that brand would recover . cuz logan paul is fast fashion , they sell good at the start then people , wake up to the scam and never buy again.
just like prime , first bunch of idiots buying know they cant pay money to people to take it
Short version... GREED. If skaters continue to accept lower income for " perform on demand " then the industry will continue to roll with it. You hit the nail on the head on self marketing and sales of your own merchandise. I would also add that so many skaters today can perform whatever tricks but they move very clinical and serious lack flow or style / steeez.
Every washed up skater doesn’t need to start a company, it’s completely watered down the industry.
Glad to see you get a video sponsor bro. I bet people don’t even get the irony. Hope it helps so you can skate as long as you can.
Sports like football, basketball, baseball have been integrated into the entertainment complex and are part of society's bread & circus, hence the backing & revenue they receive/support
I feel like the only people complaining about skateboarding's downturn are the once big people/companies that got played out and became cookey. P-rod and primitive. Berra and the berrics. Kyro and braille. Schrock and revive. And a handful of youtubers that use key words in their titles like "downfall, doomed, is this the end?" To get clicks. I have yet to see a video of, let's say Julien stranger or any other core skate brand owner make a psa of how bad the industry is. The downfall of skateboarding narrative is created by these irrelevant brands and people.
This video is SPOT ON! The huge boost in income to skateboarders back in the day really had little to do with the skateboard industry moving things forward. It was SO much more the reality TV boom and trying to find interesting people to put on it and capture that younger audience. It feels like it happened TO them rather than them making it happen.
Then social media came along and cannibalized reality TV especially for that younger demographic coveted by advertisers. Marketing budgets are how any of these entertainment industries can make serious money.
Organized sports bring in advertising because they got organized and have leverage to make those deals. The “skate culture” has stereotypically rejected organization so it’s every skater for themselves pulling in deals through social media advertisers.
My 29yo brother has £100 wheels! All together, his set costs around £250
Thanks for uploading this. What skateboarding brings is ways to get motivated to land tricks like goals for an ambitious mindset. Meet a lot of great people. Especially when you get to travel. Whether across your country or across the world. Plus, it can keep you active and healthy when not slamming.
Skateboarding at first was known to be a fun creative rebellious activity, a lot of pride involved in not wanting to adopt the corporate business mindset. Skaters didn’t want to view themselves as athletes.
That honestly killed them. They will never recover unless that mindset changes. I know a relevant modern pro skater who has to repair boats for a day job (not gonna publicly name him or his sponsors).
when we are in a recession everything takes a hit, also with youtube and all the creators there's just so may people hard to split that money that many ways. i wish skateboarders made money like the nba
If skaters made millions the scandals would go hard 😆
@@rickyglaser FR. I wish skaters could get paid way more I think we would here more BAM stories for sure haha! Hoping you catch a huge break sometime man and can get some big bags. Wishing you the best brother!
i skate since 90's and at about 2005-2006 i stopped taking serious and dedicated my time to IT to make some money.
Now i am a broke programmer and can't triple-flip,casper/dark slide or flip-underflip anymore
Super depressing dude.
Maybe you could get back into it.
Definitely take it back up. They're about to start teaching skateboarding in schools in the next couple years, you should become a teacher.
I was a programmer for 6 years in the early 2000s. It was super depressing. I always felt exhausted in my head, but totally unexercised so I couldn't sleep. I day dreamed about quitting and doing manual labor. I finally did. It's so much more fulfilling. Being tired in the body instead of the head feels so much better for my health
I keep hearing everyone saying "want to make a good living get into and learn I.T." 🤔
Love you Ricky! Good vid! Keep up the great work.
Great Vid!
I was so stoked to see the infusion of new life that skateboarding got from the Olympics!
I hope that it can continue to grow and that companies and people in the industry can let go of the infighting and just SK8
yo amigo! word up for the fresh upload! keep 'em coming- great synopsis and insights on the financial landscape! ¬ your homey from Cape Town, South Africa!
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skateboarding is a lifestyle that should be attractive to productive and physically fit people. the selling points and products are the skaters and how they maintain themselves despite such a dangerous hobby. im sure there's a way to spin this into money, if they right people were paying attention.
Back in the day, I remember seeing the same skaters in every month of Thrasher Magazine. It's like they say, "it's not what you know, it's who you know".
Feels like the game is a lot different from 2010s, let alone the early to mid 2000s. That was like the peak imo. Nowadays It's all about marketability and diversifying outside of skating whether that be Social media, Arts, Music, etc. "Core brands" as a means to an end for all the Skaters out here, isn't really a thing anymore, and it's just way oversaturated. Unless you're on a Giant team it feels like you're better off just working a 9-5, getting the homies together, making your own brand and sponsoring your own team, trips, and films rather than making someone else rich, because you're just gonna starve and waste valuable life clock that you could've used bettering yourself overall.
What has p rod actually done to evolve and adapt skating to today? Guy would do anything for a dollar
He makes sure his team is well paid & taken care of though.
I'll kickflip for a dollar
Corporate greed keeps pro skaters broke. You put a lot more on the line to become a pro skater. We wouldn't even make 100th of the pay of like NBA players.
Jason Lee populator of a modern street trick that every modern skater tosses into their routines.. had to 'pivot' to acting.. Mark Gonzales, his Buddy had to transition to the art world. They INVENTED stuff and still have to find scheckles in other places. Skateboarding is a fringe market and is looked at as a corny thing by many people or childish... We don't live in a world of 'every time you do the circus trick you get some $' until youtube came around but we see that as a limted time hang now as well
yeah true another interesting thought is Mullen literally invented modern street skating. He made a lot of money by selling World Industries the company he Co owned but the success of World wasn't really related to inventing everything.
1000% true dude.
Ppl like johnny giger and tik tok and youtube has ruined not only the core culture and taken the fun out of it, but dudes who back in the 90s that COULD have been decent paid pros , never will be.
Cuz of over saturation and corporare greed.
And it makes my 40 yr old self wanna cry
I remember when everyone was playing Skate lol
It doesn't help that Tony Hawk is _still_ the only skater that the average person has heard of. It's like Caitlin Clark finally being the one name people know in the WNBA. Some sports are just small, and skateboards are still mostly seen as a toy sold at Walmart sadly.
If the mainstream isn't into it, because their time is already taken with their favorite local team in the NFL/NBA/MLB and the rest of the time is their favorite cable shows and podcasts, they're not going to spend the time to get really into something more niche for it to truly explode to the point where everyone eats.
The future of skateboarding is going outside and skateboarding
Basically it boils down to antiquated $2 royalty sales from boards aren't enough for current inflation rates. But you also have a lot fewer younger kids skating in 2024 because of modern tech. Toddlers literally grow up with screens and internet. If you have fewer younger participants you have fewer board sales. The older dudes like me (37 years old) I throw my money around in skateboarding for sure, but how many of us are there. I doubt there's that many. Most dudes my age that are skateboarding are collecting decks to put on walls only. Meaning a lot of eBay purchases or other secondary markets.
Also have to factor in high transportation costs, gas and car payments with full coverage insurance. There really is no other option than to stay close to home, or like you said when they can just play a fun online multi-player game with their school friends that trumps all.
Push all skateboarding onto CZcams! Make youself the ENTITY of the passion you love and push the content 💯 SCREW THE INDUSTRY
great video my dude
I've been bodybuilding for 12 years and like skate boarding we take everything to the extreme to win a contest and at the end of the year if your of the elite 1% you maybe win 30k a year. It's shitty becuase on the other hand we have stupid shit like football, tennis, basketball etc and I'd 100% would rather watch some skate a 12 stair and hit some fat tricks then watch someone run with a ball down the field.
I think one of the main reasons that it doesn't have the popularity of things like NFL or the NBA or Football is that it isn't a team sport. People follow teams, their parents followed teams, their friends too. They have their favourite players but that isn't what they invest in. Players come and go. Teams stick around.
Skateboarding only has individuals and we may love what they do but we won't dedicate significant time to follow them. They have a shelf life. We aren't going to be getting tattoos about them or coming together to watch them in a bar.
People making good money playing tennis and golf
@@armin38822 there are always exceptions (i.e you've proven me wrong and I can't think of a counter point).
I can't even tell what makes a pro anymore. Things pros were doing in the 90s and 00s you can see going down at the park by an amateur. I think it's just too many great skaters, the trick tips made so many great skaters. So you need something besides just skating to set you apart
I'm seeing you putting the world cup in that intro respect I've still got the t shirt with Ryan on it from 2004.
i went to everyone lol
Amazing video Ricky great job
thanks man!
I thought Tony Hawk was the only guy ever to get rich off of skateboarding. And the big money came from the video games, not so much from sponsors.
Different era in skateboarding.. its always had its ups and downs during certain era's... from 60s to 70 to the 80s then 90s and early 2000s... of course some pro skateboarders did pocket good money in the 90s and early 2000s..
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Im not saying P Rod and others don’t deserve the money they got but the big price tag on keeping those skaters also puts a damper on how much companies are willing to spend on more riders. Just like most people, companies want to make as much profit as well. There is no one solution to this problem. Every one would have to take just what they need to stay going and as hard as you try. It will be improbable to get everyone on board
One thing that easily holds skating back from being as big as mainstream sports is how ambiguous it is even in competition unless you're super experienced. I can never tell how someones going to score after a run really even as someone who skates and watches content. Somebody who doesn't skate has no idea how hard some things are but everyone can enjoy a crazy dunk or a miracle catch or whatever. Can't really change that it just is what it is
i always see this nonsense, someone who doesn't skate wouldn't understand. if you do something that is outstanding, people will appreciate it whether or not they participate, hence the success of things such as nitro circus. it just needs a large stage.
A lot of non pro skaters are out here doing crazy Rodney mullen type tricks and still not signed. Its almost political who skate company's pick and determine who turns pro or the fact that these skaters on social media doing these crazy tricks arent in any leagues or competitions as well. And this comes from a spectator lol
It 💯% is "political" as is most things.
Only the very top pros make a good living, this has always been true even with the gigantic growth of skateboarding. and we are due for another GIGANTIC down turn in the sport sooner than later. I've heard it said skating owes you nothing but wheel bite in the rain, if you skate with this in mind you won't ever be disappointed.
Danny Mullen sounding like a C.I.A Investigator when asking those questions 😅😅😅
Skateboarding is a lifestyle not a fashinable TV sport.
The ones make a killing are marketable or found ways to be. For the ones making millions there are hundreds behind them that struggle to continue to skate at a high level and have a place to live and plenty of food.
Part of the reason why pros are broke actually falls back onto skateboarders themselves. In the early 2010s, there was an industry push for pros to sell their full skate parts on iTunes/other online venues. I bought multiple parts to help support my fav pros, but that idea got killed by skaters so fast it wasn't even funny....Plenty of other examples, e.g. companies do skate demos for free. No cover charge, imagine you seeing your fav band live for free...Not to mention a skateboard deck itself has been roughly $50 for almost 40 years...not keeping up with any economic inflation. Skaters are just now opening up the idea of $70 decks. A deck should have been like $100 by now, but skaters in mass will never agree to that. Thus board companies make hardly any profit off their sales, and subsequently their pro skaters make almost nothing in board royalties. The end result is now we have pro skaters with day jobs, while being just as talented as any other modern athletes. Our community is just way too cheap to support our idols.
Instead of just complaining for the sake of it, I will offer a suggestion too. This idea goes against the "freedom" of skateboarding, but if normal average pros ever want to earn their worth I think they need to form some kind of large umbrella organization. Similar to how the NBA/NFL/MLB each have 30+ individual teams inside, but all agree on the same rules/direction/etc. Create a standard base salary, incentives for bonuses, unified coordination to bring in outside money, etc. I don't think this will ever happen...but pro skaters deserve a lot better, and nobody is going to advocate for them. The fact that this industry hasn't crumbled yet is honestly pretty incredible.
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love your videos ❤
This is why I’m a fan of you Ricki! You are not afraid of stepping out of the box!
Yes, Ricki with an i!
Paul saying "paralysis by analysis" is neat. I haven't heard that before.
watching this to see how the FPV drone scene will turn out, very similar things
I've seen all "Extreme Sports" compete with each other in popularity over the years. It was mainly Skating and BMX being main rivals.
big chanel rick, keep grinding
Not possible to make money with board sales since the market is insanely oversaturated. The shoes used to be the saving grace off pro careers but even that is getting smaller and smaller. We used to have 10 shoe brands making decent money selling skate shoes and merch to skaters and non skaters. Pro's who skated for brands like Es,Emerica,Etnies,Lakai,Circa,DVS,Osiris,Supra,Fallen,Globe,Adio,Ipath and few others were making money. And all the deserving pro's were on one off those companies.
Now that pie got cut into just 4 slices. Vans,Adidas,Nike SB and New Balance. That's all you see out there. So all that money get saturated into just 4 places so you have skaters making good money if they skate for those brands and if they are not on those brands they are probably having a hard time. I knew from the start that this was bad for skating.
I love the shoes these brands make but I knew it was gonna be bad for such a small industry like skateboarding. I also don't see a way out. If you get good enough to get on top off thsoe brands then you made it. If not,get ready to have a job while skating 3 hours a day.
boys we gotta keep skateboarding alivvee!!
I feel so bad this one skater couldn’t come to to Jackalope cause he couldn’t afford the plane ticket and he’s and Olympic skater, it’s sad Fr. He said he slowly getting tired of it
The industy looks like a pyramidal scheme. Old dudes exploiting kids for a few bucks. Meanwhile skaters competing with eachother for recognition, respect and skate brand status.. The cycle continues. Kids become old dudes trying to capitalize their skill set and survive. Or maybe i'm wrong and the pasion for danger and adrenaline carry skaters to live on the edge of homelessness. anyways....
pro skaters are just a marketing tool for businesspeople who manufacture skateboards. at the end of the day if you own a company you have to decide for yourself how much you can afford to pay people to wear your stuff so people think it's cool. but a lot of skate companies also die, and the market contracts a lot it's not just people getting rich, and skaters themselves are the most replaceable part of the entire operation. I'm not saying it's right, but it's true.
this is the kind of video that can make your channel pop out
Haha yeah im gonna keep doing ones like that, the Walmart board essay was good too
Wow there you lost me for sure haha. Skateboarding is a lifestyle.
Samr reason every other sport and industry are like this as well. It is very top heavy. How is a dealership making 10 times more money than a world champion. The greed has fully taken over and the bottom feeders running the show are making fortunes off of everyone else's hard work and success. The world we live in where clips are free and nothing is your own due to clout
all that weed lol you should come out with your own weed products. call it ricky blazer.
Interesting take. I cannot help but to wonder why only a couple of Pro skaters talking about how skating has financially failed them. If this issue is widespread, can you interview more cases? Two people just seem like a singled out situation.
This is exactly why i decided to not become a pro skater. Its just not worth it. Broken bones for a partime minimum wage salary. Alot of times they dont even pay you they just give you all expenses paid which sounds great, but when you think about it its basically unviolent slavery.
Now, The word Professional to me means: to be able to afford a house, a car, and a family
For skaters to get more money they need to bring more eye balls and numbers 3 times a week.
Too many pros , too many companies, too people people who don’t skate running the industry 🤷🏻♂️
I think social media truly challenges the monopolies of those in power... viva people power and liberation! ✊
There's a great skatepark in damn near every town down here in oz now and the standard of skating is getting better and better. There's little girls doing 900's now ffs but unless ya one of the lucky few that win contest consistently or get a big sponsorship deal with Nike or the like then there's just no money in it. There's more kids on friggin scooters these days but there's probably no money in that either. Hopefully that changes and top athletes can make a decent living out of it again. Gold medals are great and all but if there's no money in it then ya can't put the time in to pursue it professionally.
Not everyone can make a living at their hobby, including CZcams creators. The old way of making money being a skater by getting sponsored and selling gear, or even doing video parts, is largely gone. Because skating is *a lot harder* than just about anything else that the kids do nowadays. The best way to guarantee you can support yourself is to learn a trade and get good at it, even then there's no guarantee. But there's no guarantee in anything, life is hard.
It will probably get popular again one day though.
Very similar to rock climbing! We are just now going into the getting paid, however idk how long that will last. Sad that we pay for headlines and not actual talent. Imagine how fast the human race would evolve if we focused on what we love instead of paying bills.
you can't have it both ways. mainstream sports are affiliated with cities and bring people a sense of pride and various streams of revenue through ticket sales, concession sales, merchandise, season passes, subscription services, etc. do you want to see skateboarding operate in this model?
there are simply too many pro, flow, and am skaters for everyone to make the money they deserve. the skaters that are making enough to survive off of skateboarding have at least one kind of sponsor that is completely unrelated to skateboarding.
it was kind of inevitable once skateboarding superstars became a thing. it made some people very rich and most everyone else remains broke, and it wasn't always about who had the most skill. then people were inspired by that and aspired to it. unfortunately that's not the reality.
i'm not sure what the solution is.
From personal experience skateboarding brings in a lot of people who don’t have much money. Yeah a set up is expensive but the park is free after that compared to any other sport which costs a family a lot more. As much as I would have wanted to be a die hard fan for any board or any shoe company growing up skating I mostly only found myself being able to buy bucket boards from zummies and half price shoes from ROSS. It can be pretty hard to support a pro when you can barely afford the merch. Not saying they should make things cheaper. Just saying it is what it is.
What is that interview called
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i cant believe skateboarders dont make a tonna munz
Shhhhh lol
I am skater but more Rollerblader. Don't hate me 😅 and rollerblading is almost since my first years 2003 not full of money in the industry. The best of the best get some money but never was rich. And now skateboarding almost too 😢 but I think it's more auf a world who has other interests...
But as we see the people love the sport even there isn't much money! 🖤 And that's why I love skating and rollerblading is
So true!!
what about vert skating?
I feel there's more people just watching videos and following skaters, so hopefully it will get better. Also hope i ain't wrong!
Industry is insane, I don't wanna start talking about Skating in Germany...😢
Inflation is causing people to struggle. It's common to see people working into their 70's because they didn't make enough money to put into retirement savings. I think it's important to make as much money as you can for emergencies and your future. If you ask me, make the money as long as it's legal and not taking advantage of others. Some of PRod's haters are probably still living with parents and have no bills. He's probably reading comments not realizing it's coming from teenagers. People that are richer than Paul have gone broke like NFL players and some rappers. So, I think it's okay for Paul to continue to try and get richer as long as he's not wasting the money.
lmao i love how the interview is at lowes
Yeah haha its cause he works at home depo, def check out dannys full vid
@@rickyglaser yeah
I'm broke too, and I'm not even a pro skateboarder 😂😭😭
This doesn't need a video, skateboarding like art has no inherent value, everyone thinks you're a punk ass kid and you wonder why nobody wants to pay you to do something that is only self serving, until you teach and spread the love and joy, that is how braille was born, with a sprinkling of handing crap tons of money to a cult and refusing to ever actually explain what the thing you're donating to actually is. Also people like Aaron kyro and Andy shrock just prove you can't start paying people just to enable them to do nothing but skate. Ironically though, skaters that publicly complain about being "broke" are usually the kind with their own indoor private training facilities and opportunities 99.9% of the world of skateboarding will never see 😂
it's not really enough to just be good at skateboarding. for better or worse, you're a walking billboard for the brands who sponsor you. i never understood the hate for the guys who have more mainstream sponsors - energy drinks, etc
Facts
Great video and think this is an important topic.
As far as your sponsor goes, nicotine was one of the things I wished I never tried or started as a kid. I think even something that mimics vape use and pushing that on to kids is questionable. No hate at all just something to think about .
I dont think kids are going to watch a fum integration and get into vaping. But i do think kids that do vape will see it and think “huh i guess ricky doesnt fw the vape”
Totally fair to have that opinion. It’s still vaping though, whether nicotine is in it or not. The flavaa flavs is how they get the kiddos you know what I mean? IV use is still not good to get in the habit of whether it has Her**n or just water .
I hope you at least made a decent amount for it anyway 🙌
@@Holdycorgy maybe its unclear but its not a “non nicotine vape” its basically a straw you breathe air through a flavoured filter
Thank you for clarifying. I’m aware of that. And again I’m not hating. Just do some background research on füm you will see what im saying.
I think scooters put a dent in skating. Kids can instantly ride parks for a couple years until they're sick of it and quit. Skating takes years.
The media doesn't push it much anymore. But if they did it would be in the most lame, embarrassing way possible.
And there isn't much money in decks and skate clothing anyway.
The Olympics and Nike made sk8 way more mainstream, but no one wants to do it now, so how did that work?
i'd guess the olympians/sls skaters are probably doing ok
Insightful.
Skating and all the other are hobby sports while sports like mlb and nfl are corporate and that’s where skating failed trying to imitate
Fumigation; oh what a nation.
it doesnt matter how good you are but how marketable you are
thats why most skaters are broke
same thing applies to any job you apply to including society at large, you can have all the merit you want but if you say and do the wrong thing around the wrong people it WILL set you back
That's partially why im kinda glad nike n adidas n monster n redbull n shit like that put their foot in... they're an actual good sponsor to have lol
Youre deluded....its big corporations like then that helped ruin pro skating. You need to grow tf up yo
Ya but they can all pay their own bills and have a bunch of extra cash. Maybe they can’t buy a house but they get paid enough to have a savings.
Jagger Eaton dad is in charge of the Olympics
idk if thats true or not but homie is insanely skilled
@@rickyglaser it’s true watch dumb data vids
Will the fume get me buzzed?
no
The point to my comment exactly
@@Holdycorgy shut up. I want it to give me a buzz keep ur scared energy away.
Here is the answer ask Tony Hawk the Illuminati.
Freestyle Skiing/snowboard are the Same. Only the Top10 Comp skiier gets a good deal. like Skating. Comp Skaters Makes bank, dont tell me Yuto, nyjah, Leticia didnt make any money. I see there is no money in Street skating vs Comp Skating.
I used to skate
Stop paying Xenu and you'll have plenty of spare money
Im not a scientologist
@@rickyglaser stop trying to recruit me, I can’t afford to pay a cult
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5k is nothing