Could Sweden Defend A Surprise Attack From Russian Baltic Fleet? (WarGames 96) | DCS
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I doubt we (Sweden) would leave all 5 of our 4 subs in port at the same time. Odds are at least one of those subs would have been trailing the russian fleet, with another one near by
True. I think standard practice is to always have at least half out at sea.
Let’s keep all subs idle in port when the entire fleet leaves Kaliningrad. Wouldn’t happen 😂
I'm pretty sure they would have Gripens in the air watching the Russian fleet make its traverse of the southern Baltic. I know they would have when I was in Sweden in the late 80s, and while the Cold War may be over, Russia's recent history (pre-2022) would still be cause for keeping a close eye on them.
They probably would have had at least one Gotland or more shadowing the “peacetime training” and at the first missile launch, bye bye Ropuchas (or Kuznetsov)
I don't know typical navy procedures but I'd also imagine that once the first Russian missile has been fired, some navy commander would be trying to get those subs in port to dive and push out even if on a skeleton crew. Would the missiles lose radar lock if the subs go beyond a certain depth? But as many have said, no self-respecting navy would leave all their subs in port, even during peacetime. There would definitely be some out at sea, at least patrolling their waters to secure the country's shipping lanes.
Sweden would never have all subs stationed in port with the entire Baltic fleet out on a exercise. A minimum of 2 subs would be at sea watching the fleet with the rest on short notice if the fleet made any hostile moves.
And the Visby class would not even be detected at the ranges the Russians fired their AShm if the Visby’s was running their entire ECM suite.
But still fun to watch!
It is a fun watch, but you might as well watch some World of Warships gameplay. Perhaps an exaggeration since this is more complex, but there are too many “let’s pretend”’s here for it to be much more that fun and giggles.
Any sort of Russian build-up like this would be watched closely, no matter the pretence of an ‘exercise’ or just ‘relocating’ some units. This not only from Sweden, but Poland, Germany and certainly Denmark. Once the attack is on, these countries would also react. Despite mutual teasing and sports rivalries, there’s no way Denmark would just watch on the sidelines as Sweden is attacked.
There’s no way that much Russian activity would go un-noticed by the Danes THAT close to Bornholm island. The Swedes would get a phone call within minuttes.
@@TommyGlint Absolutely right. Denmark/norway/finland wouldnt just sit there, they know every well that if Sweden falls, the rest of the nordic countries are going down soon.
Yeah, it would have been interesting to see sub vs ship.
A Russian aggression wouldn’t likely begin like this. But with some civilian roll-on roll-off ships at harbor-that was supposed to deliver whatever goods-instead beginning to push out IFVs, MTBs, troops and possibly even attack helicopters. At the same time small groups of SFs who have infiltrated the nation through different means, begin to destroy or take command over important infrastructure.
Anyway… Even in the case of initial success, Russia couldn’t ever sustain a logistical naval operation. They couldn’t in Ukraine even with rather clear roads and many bridges intact. A naval one from Kaliningrad to Gotland… nah.
The tragic issue is however that Putin with yes sayers all around him may try anyway, ignorant to the loss of life. NATO membership now decreases the chances of him acting in such a way.
I absolutely love the 3rd person POV videos. This is like an action movie without the filler, without the girlfriend drama, just the aviation part destilled out (which is what you remember after all....). Great entertaining from Grim Reapers!!
as a swede and a submarine fanatic, the fact that the largest country in the world is scared of my countries submarines makes me insanely happy
Som en Karlskronabo, där dem både byggs och är baserade blir man ännu stoltare. Demokratins tysta väktare.
Yeah. It submerges even icluded one US marine´s those little carriers, if i remember right. And ofc coalition of many other nato countries aswell. Swedish submarines even worked pretty much on their "own", what comes to mission itself. OFC there was communication with own side of pratice , but if i understood right, not much. OFC submarine is kinda used to radio silence more or less always. Anyways. All went to virtual bottom. :) Pratice was among US and Baltic NATO countries (+Sweden + Finland). Denmark I think was the one that led that training. Ships visited also near my home "village", in city center of Turku. One sub was there also, but ofc there was no going inside, like in many other ships. Carrier was not in the river, ofc. :D
Northern Coasts was the name of that. Or then some later of Samekind of training. Last was this summer. Us Marines even praticed shooting with Fin coastal artillery. They were kinda trilled 👌🇫🇮
Sweden has very competent diesel-electric subs and they (and the rest of Scandinavia) are defending a choke point. To get out of the Baltic and North Seas, the Russians have to get past Scandinavia, Germany, and the UK. It wouldn't be easy. For another example of the situation that Russia is in, they seized Crimea to protect their Black Sea access, but even there they have to successfully navigate the Dardanelles and exit the Mediterranean to get out into the ocean. They also have ports on the Pacific and Arctic oceans, but Sevastopol is their only year-round ice-free port. For all its coastline, Russia is virtually landlocked in a modern naval context.
Did they ever say they are scared.
Sweden also tends to go on alert status when Russia is anywhere within range - so you would think they would have a faster response time.
True think their subs would be on alert and dive as soon as tings turned to shit.
But other then that I think it is pretty accurate.
They would very likely have had Gripens in the air on surveillance of the Russian fleet, as well...at least a pair, maybe even four or six.
@@AllTradesGeorge yeah and at least two equipped with anti-ship missiles
Ryska påsken says different ;)
@@johanmetreus1268 you mean one time when the flight cobteile relizes they just wherent going to do somthing a loong time ago.
Sure, thats one time.
The rist of the time they have been met or followed.
The most unrealistic part of the scenario is that it is an alternate universe where Russia has their shit together.
Only unrealistic for victims of false western propaganda....
@@Triggernlfrl miles long convoys stuck on the side of the road for lack fuel while getting picked apart by irregular with ATGMs and SF guys on quad bikes seems to support my argument.
Russia is fucked up on so many levels militarily it almost boggles the mind. I thought the US military had problems, but I see now I knew nothing.
Ye exactly!
Today their only aircraft carrier was on fire, again....
@@CyberBeep_kenshi lol
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Never count the Swedes out. For such a small country they produce some really great military stuff. Just look at what their NLAW is doing to the Orcs in Ukraine. Even the US uses a lot of their stuff like radars, anti tank weapons, ect.
Nlaw is half british half Swedish
Won't stand a chance.
@@johncee853 same
@@johncee853 I am happy our eurofighter will protect your gripen 😉
@@iseriver3982 😂😂
The improvements you guys are making are monumental...visually and mechanically these battles have come a long way from the base game! Thank you GR's and Mod makers for all your hard work and sleepless nights for our entertainment
Speaking of which... Published today: "The US Air Force has carried out its first successful full test of a new hypersonic missile as it looks to claw back ground in a superpower arms race with Russia and China.
The missile, an All-Up-Round AGM-183A Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) [pronounced like the threatening sound pirates make] was fired off the Southern California coast and travelled greater than five times the speed of sound, before detonating in a controlled area.
Launched from a B-52H Stratofortress, the test was a significant step towards the US having fully operational hypersonic weapons that could be used in conflict or as a deterrent."
Too true! Thanks to all of you.
it's a shame that the RBS-15's don't have their terminal phase "manoeuvring sea skimming" modelled in game, they just fly head on and get shot down in droves
They also fly at like 5 feet altitude... a altitude where its quite hard to shot them down.. because.. well you have to shoot down from the ship.
Also something that this game don´t model at all is the cross forces interoperatbility of the Swedish combined forces.
If this was a real scenario the missile would also be synced to all hit there target simultaneously.
Really like the Visby-corvette for the area around Scandinavia.
It "only" costs US$184 million.
It is small and stealthy has potent anti-ship and good self defence weapons + anti-sub and even have 4 torpedoes if a ship gets close.
Also having more but smaller ships will let Sweden hide them up inside fjords and come out and deliver their punch.
There is only a single true fjord (Gullmarn) in Sweden and it is on the west coast near Norway, but we do have lot of fjärds, which is a closely related word for a different body of water.
@@Rbajter Fjord/Fjärds diffrent languages diffrent difinitions.
The point is Swedens has a lot of small Fjord/Fjärds where a Visby could keep itself hidden until it wish to engage.
Ah the Norwegian fjords... you know Slartibartfast got an award for creating them.
@@steffenjespersen247 No no, a fjord is a fjord, and a fjärd is a fjärd in Swedish.
Fjärds are the open bodies of water between island and/or the mainland. A fjord is, yeah, think Norway.
But you are right, it is perfect for our archipelago. And they are getting AA missiles now, which was their achilles heel.
And I believe it's the IRIS-T that will be fitted, and they seem to do great in Ukraine, at a 100% success rate against Kalibr's.
@@steffenjespersen247 There are no fjords in Karlskrona
I guess, because of the rain, you couldn't simulate the Russian sailor on the flight deck smoking a cigarette.
That missile exchange would make Honor Harrington proud. I have to chime in too and say the cinematics of the fleet launch in the storm was amazing.
If Sweden had Apollo and ghost-rider. them Red Peeps would be dead meat.
Honor Harrington I see you are a man of culture
@@AnIdiotsLantern One does what one can.
"I can not understand how something that smell so good, can taste so god damn awful!" - Harrinton on the subject of coffee.
That anti-ship missile hit the first Visby so hard it took out Cap!
Cap inhaled smoke 😆
@@tropanghayop1728 The corvetts have stealt so the russians can´t even target them.
haha it actually enhanced the experience. I thought he was acting first, it was so perfect. :'D
While I was still serving in the RN, we had a visit to the Russian Baltic fleet in Baltyisk in the early 2000's. It was very eye opening. They had just one ship operational, the Bespokoyny, a Sovremenny-class destroyer, and it wasn't in very good condition at all. Their attitude was that, if one system wasn't working, they had another one. The naval base was full of old. rotting ships, including assault hovercraft, landing ships and a couple of wing-ships. Awesome looking things but worth less than scrap. A wonderful visit and. as I said, extremely eye-opening.
Were you at all surprised by how poorly the Russians performed against Ukraine?
That's always what follows to stupid communism
Swedes have their own AWACS, currently in use "Saab 340 AEW&C", which will be replaced by GlobalEye
thx
It's called the erieye, callsign skibox. Not even kidding
The actully have one operational already the SAAB demo one is always on standby and is used when on a freq routine missions.
The only problem with the Gripen is the three screws left in the box after assembly. You never know if you missed a step or they were just extra.
Yes. IKEA. Funny. 👌
You know those things come with a list of items so you know if they're extra or not.
But fuck reading, right?
They're to mount the optional Grönkål rocket motor.
🤣🤣
@@Hairysteed I swear I read the instructions! Step by step! I swear I just … wait a second… I did that step didn’t I? I remember doing it… I think I did it…
I love these alternate reality semi accurate missions. These "what if" scenarios. Fantastic work, hope you get over the crud you got Cap. And of course the GR dominated the AI once again. All badasses in any planes! From Gripens to Sopwith Camels. And according to Wiki, the Swedish Airforce operates two Saab 340 AEW&C AWACs type airframes and are upgrading to the GlobalEye with two on order. It's basically an executive jet with the solid state brick mounted on the fuselage.
What if... J-20s out-numbered F-22s by 2 to 1, and the Chinese 13 Carrier fleet was bound and determined to break the heart of NATO power, in...
Spain.
For additional detail, that Saab AEW radar system gives better a aerodynamic profile than the disk system most use, at the cost of suffering blind spots directly in front of and behind the aircraft.
@@MWSin1
" at the cost of suffering blind spots directly in front of and behind the aircraft."
On the third hand, the Saab system is fully networked, so radar from AEW system is complemented with onboard radar from Gripen, not only that, also network with the ground based RBS23 and the sea based counterpart. This make the real world blindspots very few (and it have been tried in red vs blue operations) and the ability to notch is also a bit hard.,
A massive thank you to Cap, his dev team, and his playmates. I honestly never imagined you would be able to make this absolutely astonishing amount of progress in bringing modern working weapon systems from multiple countries together in DCS, especially the land-based SAM systems, new anti-ship missiles, and new ships. Additional modded jets are one thing, but adding to the available DCS assets to get relatively accurate defensive networks into DCS is the really fun part as you get to simulate actual modern attacks and campaigns.
Yeah man. This was amazing to watch. I'll rather watching this than netflix :P
If you like the 57mm on the Visby, the US Navy is putting the same gun on the new Constellation-class FFG and the LCSs and Coast Guard Cutters. Basically replacing the OTO Melera 76mm in service.
Future UK Type 31 will also have the same 57mm gun plus 2x 40 mm Bofors and Sea Ceptor SAMs - should be quite a show against ASMs
The Visbys are absolutely badass
The visbys are very impressive, RBS stealthy side launching etc. But man, that 57mm Bofors firing like a machine gun and taking out vampires, I was shouting "get some" as it was firing! Great job reapers
Agreed, most exciting Yt video I've ever seen, though, I do work with the CEROS fire director that controls the Borders so you might say I've got a vested interest
The RBS 15 can be linked so the attack the same target from different directions at the same time.
As for Swedish AWACS, (or AEW&C) we use Saab 340 aircraft equipped with the Erieye radar, and we have ordered earlier this year two Globaleye aircraft, uses the same radar.
The Battle of Karlskrona was a surprise attack launched by the Baltic Fleet components of the Russian Navy, against the Karlskrona Naval Base of the Swedish Armed Forces, in the early afternoon of April 14, 2022. The goal of the Russian attack was to neutralize the threat of the Swedish Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) submarines of the Gotland-class and Södermanland-class, and to land and occupy the island.
In response to the Russian presence, the Swedish Navy scrambled four Visby-class corvettes, two CB90 fast attack craft, and a squadron of JAS-39 Gripen, along with placing shore batteries on alert. The battle began with a Kalibr-cruise missile strike led by the frigate Admiral Flota Kasatonov. The resulting barrage would strike and sink the Visby and her sister, the Uddevalla. However, the missiles fired by the corvettes made their way through the AA screen and impacted the flagship of the fleet, the Kirov-class battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy, in the area of the amidships torpedo launchers; the resulting detonation of the torpedoes doomed the capital ship. Another pair of missiles struck the Slava-class cruiser Moskva, igniting a fire underneath the expended missile tubes.
In the air, the Swedish Gripens and their Meteor air-to-air missiles proved decisive, ultimately eliminating the air wing of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, claiming 21 MiG-29K kills, with the other aircraft lost to crashes or friendly fire, at the cost of 10 Gripens.
The loss of the air component, the flagship and the admiral gave his replacement enough pause to order the landing forces turned around. As the Russian forces began to disengage, another wave of Swedish anti-ship missiles struck the Moskva, overwhelming her damage control and ultimately sinking the ship.
Tactically, the battle was more or less a draw. Russia was successful in eliminating the Swedish submarine force, with only the recently decommissioned Östergötland surviving the attack. However, Russia in turn lost two capital ships, an entire air wing of MiGs, and a number of experienced pilots, and ultimately gave up the landing attempt.
The international response to the attack has been swift and decisively against Russian interests. Sweden and Finland have begun the process of applying for NATO membership, effectively sealing the remnants of the Baltic Fleet in a NATO sea. In the wake of the loss of public face, concern turns to the cold stalemate in Ukraine, and if Russia will continue to support the separatist territories, especially as Ukrainian Bayraktar TB-2s continue to batter the separatists.
Considering that a single Swedish submarine "defeated" a large part of the US fleet, when during an exercise in the US in 2005 it went by unseen and sank their aircraft carriers and other large ships, and considering how incompetent Russia has proven to be, I'm pretty sure that Sweden would withstand an attack from Russia's fleet.
To put this in perspective...a British sub came under a Russian naval exercise and took many classified pictures of the underside of the admiral kuznetzov and got away without being noticed. I agree that your subs would easily take out multiple ships
The Moskva went to the bottom without a fight, really, and that's the pride of the Russian navy...so...you're definitely right.
@@KevinD-wn7pdI wonder how many Russian naval officers were relieved of duty.
love to see great vids like this, keep up the great work!
Okay, the camera angles, editing, and the wild atmospheric visuals made this a GRIPPENing video to watch. Absolutely loved it and a very interesting engagement. Cheers and well done!
Sweden uses GlobalEye / Erieye early warning planes for both air and sea tracking which has a typical range of 450km detecting non stealth fighters. Also they are tracking naval activity on a regular basis with at least two subs on patrol any time this happens... standard procedure
DCS continues to impress me. With the stormy seas and beautifully modelled cruise missiles launching, dropping boosters, unfolding wings and flying to target it's like a damn CG movie these days, utterly fantastic work has been put into this by your team as well. LOVE it.
Sounds for me like we are in for a round 2! Sweden can resupply all remaining stations and Russia can fly in air support from Kaliningrad, as can the Swedish from Sweden. So I guess they would be running now to Kaliningrad, but they could not hug the polish coast line as they would by this point throw everything (including the kitchen sink) at them. I wouldnt want to sit on the air craft carrier, while a Polish brigades using their 155 mm Artillery uses me as target practice :D
Awesome video, thanks to the guys for the entertainment!
I was wondering where the Russian land-based air support was.
@@broccanmacronain457 I was wondering where all the swedish air support was, Sweden operates 71 Gripen C single-seat and 23 Gripen D twin-seat fighters.
I think you'd have to call that a narrow win for the Swedes, they still have aircraft and therefore air superiority. At the point you leave it the remaining Gripen would be re-arming for anti-ship operations and the missile defences would also be reloading. The Russians seem to be out or nearly out of missiles and I don't think they'd be able to fend off further attacks. As other people have pointed out it's unlikely all 5 Swedish subs would be in port either.
Still a great video though.
Would like to see a follow up of this where the Swedish Air Force conducts a retaliatory strike on the Russian carrier group and the Russian Air Force has to try to cover the carrier group with land based fighters
with finnis... swedish F-18 conducting joint strike on them
Sweden has a Sea robot /rocket RB 15 "Gungnir" that can shoot from Sweden to Kaliningrad to sink the Russian vessels coming out of the harbour there so it can reach out to the Russian ships left in this attack.
It's a good thing this is an alternate reality where half the components of the missiles haven't been sold off by the conscripts manning the boats
I guess the "calibrated" buildings and structures can attest to the stupidity of your claim.
One of the most visually stunning, gripping and engaging vids yet. REALLY well done.
Sweden has committed to buying the GlobalEye 6000 AEW&C and ISR platform, which they’ve already sold to the UAE, and is essentially one of the largest and longest ranged private jet airframes combined with a Airborne Early Warning Radar (~300 km range) and under the belly an ISR suite of EO/IR cameras + Synthetic Aperture Radar for ground surveillance. Allows for excellent time on station, in excess of 10 hours unrefueled.
The Swedish AWACS i believe is a Radar PS-890 mounted alon the spine of the planes roof. The plane is a SAAB 340.
"SAAB 340 AEW & C"
Visby class corvettes are really impressive. Good quality systems and weapons even if limited in quantity by the vessel size. They also need a relatively small crew which makes them practical for small manpower navies.
I would like to see Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Romania, and Bulgaria each pick up a few Visby class corvettes.
And really cramped inside with steep ladders, was a hassle walking around in one a few months after I had broken my foot. :)
We (Finland) have already ordered four Pohjanmaa-class corvettes. Pohjanmaa-class is a brand new Finnish design and they will be built here (jobs for locals). At 3900 tons (frigate size) they have more weapons and are a better fit our navy compared to the much smaller 640-ton Visby-class corvettes. We do not have the budget to have multiple classes of corvettes, if we did I would agree something like the Visby-class would be nice. As the sole corvette it would have been way too small since we do not have any larger warships.
@@Huijaaja42 Sweden doesn´t have any larger surface warships.... What you would need to complement a smaller corvette would be 3-4 submarines. Something you really need today too. Just go ahead and order them...
@@skriuttutt They have a larger budget than us and their defensive needs are not the same. What works for them is not necessarily the best for us and that's why those that made the decision chose the Pohjanmaa-class over alternatives like the Visby-class. Smaller ships simply couldn't do everything we need our main ships to do. As for submarines we cannot have them due to the Paris Peace Treaties.
@@Huijaaja42 You can have submarines since the Paris Treaty no longer is in effect but I guess this is yet again an example of you trusting your naval security on other players. I guess it makes sense with the long land border with Russia...
Part of the reason you'd have those subs behind break waters is to help stop those missiles. There's not a lot sticking up above the water to lock onto and if you've got enough clutter I suspect they become much harder to identify and strike properly.
Great fight! I love the cloud cinematography and Swedish Asset Pack!
It’s a Pyrrhic victory at best for the Russians. They achieved the primary objective, but at such a cost that they would likely have also lost the initiative. Well fought Reapers!! This was a fantastic scenario, and I like that you strengthened the Russian forces, because I don’t think they would even think about launching such an attack unless they could bring such a force to bear. The Grim Reapers did Sweden proud!!
and in real life sweden would likely win this engagement. because the visby destroyers would be much harder to hit and the RBS 15 would be harder to shoot down, and the gotland subs wouldnt sit in port like that and could easily defeat the entire russian fleet by themselves.
Awesome fight. It is interesting how different the dynamics in the European "telephone booth" theatre are compared to the much longer-ranged engagements in the Indopacific. Russia's main shortcoming in this WarGame was imo the inability to achieve air superiority. Those land-based RBS-15 launchers did a lot of damage to the fleet, but Russia can't really hunt them down with helicopters/Frogfoots because Swedish air space is just too dangerous for them to operate in.
How in the world have I been missing out on this!!? Very interesting and I'm now subscribing.
Great work, as ever, Cap & Crew @Grim Reapers! 😄
A great battle through a dreamy back drop of beautifully stacked cloud layers. Sweden vs Russia, a must!
Good video. However, I don't think Russia could 'suprise' Sweeden in this fashon. Any forces would likely depart from St. Petersberg, and the Gulf of Finland is fairly narrow waters and heavily travelled. A more realistic way to start this attack is with submarines and a combination of Backfire / Bear bombers. If you started your attack this way and bring in a smaller surface naval force that 'just happened to be passing by'. Launch Friendly fighters as soon as the first missle breaks the surface and see if the fighters can catch up with the bomber force.
Personally, if I was designing the Russian side, I would have a squadron of Backfires attack a decoy attack to the north of the main target. While you are trying to catch up to splash those (and empty the fuel tanks), the bears launch KH-22s from the south.
Sweden use the Saab 340 AEW&C which they have 2, they are currently awaiting their new AEW&C which is the Saab GlobalEye. It's an Erieye radar, which is a AESA radar, on both platforms with a range of around 350km though it could possibly reach out to 450km. Difference in platforms is the current aircraft is a Saab 340 and the new version is mounted on a Bombardier Global 6000 business jet. The same radar is also used on the Brazilian Embraer R-99 AEW&C as well.
The royal war science academy had a scenario a few years ago where the Russians use civilian RO-RO ferries to make surprise invasions in Karlskrona Gotland and Nynäshamn(south of Stockholm).
Getting a first wave ashore that then waits for the second wave to break through.
This is one of the standard scenarios that is expected.
The third Sea Warfare Flotilla in Karlskrona also has the only coastal battery in Swedish service 311 Robotenheten with truck mounted RBS15 mk2 missiles. The unit will upgrade to mk3+ (intermittently called mk4) in the future.
This unit is often deployed in peacetime to keep watch during increased activity, right now its on Gotland because of Russian execises, in early 2022 it was in southern Sweden as amphibious ships bound for the black sea sailed past.
We do not know which surface to air missiles the Visby will get in its mid life upgrade but this year it gets the new Torped 47 and new tubes increasing the torpedo loadout to from 4 to 8 40cm torpedoes 20km+ range.
I’d love to see a part two, or an expanded version, great vid cap!
Might as well just say, "If everything was stacked in Russia's favor, could they still botch an attack on Sweden, whose pants are down?" =9[.]9=
2:11 I love your talented depiction of the Hel Peninsula. 🤭
Wow, that's so cool with the real time graphics in a wargame setting! So glad I found you guys.
What a gorgeous game. Great video as always. Lots of fun
I like how in order for this scenario to even proceed, it had to take place in an alternate reality where the Russian Navy and Russia in general is actually competent. Lol.
In this reality, half their warships would suffer engine failure before reaching the objective!
The Gripens can also carry RBS-15s
He said that.
Great video, thx for this.
get well soon cap! this was a great video
I would really like to see this scenario again but with some of the Swedish submarine out on patrol.
Great work 👍
Sweden and Russia has had a few incidents since WW1. The Swedish Air Force was quite successful in going close or even over the Baltics in to the 80's (photos taken over Baltijsk with SF37 Viggen). When S363 got stuck in Karlskrona in 1981 the Soviet fleet ran towards the border at full speed and then stopped. The Swedish PM Fälldin had given the order to fire if they went over and the radars switched over to frequency hopping so it was hard to jam. Big game hunting in Sweden is Elk/Moose, Bear, Red deer and Russian submarines
But we've had some recorded incidents. On june 13 1952 Russia shot down a Swedish DC-3 over the baltic sea. Then Russia also shot down a Swedish Tp 47 "Catalina" which was looking for the DC-3. And as you're writing U 137 (S363). Also some frogmen in the 80s something which gear was later retrieved.
@@kristofferhellstrom There is quite a few incidents you can read about, although many only in print.
@@MA9494AM Indeed
I reckon in reality the Swedes would only have to maul the Russian force sufficiently to make any invasion prettyt much untenable. Assuming good intelligence before the action the Swedes would likely have their subs out on patrol or otherwise dispersed. Good scenario/vid.
Great video guys really love the content your bringing, ill admit Ill have to watch the end again due to falling alseep (not your fault) just burning the candle at both ends as well as the middle
My question though is kind of, how are the Russians spotting those stealth vessels that far out?
They dont really as our sonar and radar are better then the Russian version so more likely we spot them first, also seeing as we have allies close to all of their ports.
Sweden uses the modified Saab 340 and has SAAB Globaleye on order.
It's like watching a Tom Clansy (RIP) movie. Was heading for bed, but this show came up and I just *had* to watch it. Taking the flak from the spouse in the morning. :)
Well done Cap! thanks :)
21:14 THEY GOT CAP
This was fantastic! What you guys are getting out of this game is improving by leaps and bounds! Awesome work.
Sweden uses 2 SAAB 340 AEW twin turboprops. They have ordered 2 SAAB Globaleye based on the Canadian Bombardier Global 6000 business iet w/3 already in service with the UAEAF.
Very good video, probably one of your best. I loved the cinematics and would love to see more videos like this. The ship action is amazing to watch.
Super impressive graphics and camera angle upgrades!!
The meteors have a rocket booster AND a ramjet sustainer, i don't think they would perform that bad at low alt, the rocket booster should still give them some good speed and THEN the ramjet should slightly increase It, idk maybe im wrong but this seems too weird to be accurate
You're not wrong. Except it's a ducted rocket not a ramjet sustainer, ducted rockets being dramatically better in terms of impulse energy.
@@92HazelMocha well if that's the case they're even more far off from It being remotely realistic
Most impressive to hear the fighting spirit of the sick CAP and the rest of the team. But Grumps Swedish alter ego should be Butter (Yes like the English loan word from French 80% milk fat) =)
It was all cute and entertaining. But cloud you please make a realistic version where the Moskva, Kirov, and Kuznetsov was not magically towed over land or transported in a magically widened and deepened Belobalt canal, rather than running the gauntlet along the Norwegian coast, Skagerack, Kattegatt, and the Öresund or Store Belt straits.
And then why would ever Sweden have all its submarines moored in Karlskrona?
So rerun the scenario with;
- Accurate Russian baltic fleet;
- 1 Sovremenny class destroyer in "repairs",
- 2 Neustrashimyy class frigates,
- 4 Steregushchiy class corvettes,
- 4 Ropucha class LST,
- 1 Kilo class submarine (Can be skipped as it currently cannot be modelled in DCS),
- 6 Parchim class corvettes,
- an accurate mod of the Swedish AESA AWACS, either on the Saab 340 in its current Erieye version or the soon to be introduced GlobalEye,
- A Stealth version of HMS Visby,
- add the GR AESA radar to the Gripen to the Gripen C mod as a poor mans Gripen E,
- unnerf the Meteor and the RBS15 Mk4,
- Replace the ASRAAMs with IRIS-T and make it able to shoot down enemy AIMs.
- Deploy Swedish IHawks (RBS-97)
- Kindly ask Currenthill to mod RBS-23 Bamse (Snälla kom igen nu då!!!)
Keep up the fun and good work!
Good thing you are not asking for much 😂🤣😅
This was very cool! Love the Swedish tech and the rain
The stunning atmospheric cloud graphics were reminiscent of the start of ‘Flight of the Intruder’ but 10x better! Didn't know that ASM could be fired from a ship's port or starboard but I do now… really enjoyed this vid!
Dude you guys are the best but we're totally not going to abandon you if you take some time off to rest and kick that dang cold :) Take care of yourself sir, you deserve it!
Chould you do sweden and finland, combined against russia. If that is possible?
I'd like to see this as well, especially with "2025" spec with some fancy finnish F-35's in the mix
They should wait for the Kola Peninsula map to come out first, then do that
Yeah. That would be really interesting.
Words are hard, you have that incredibly dry sense of humor that is so entertaining!
great mission design, love the details.
Great content, brilliant visuals/commentary/editing. Please sir, can we have a part two; Sweden's Revenge?
Play it as a continuity of this battle with ships damaged/sunk and missle defence depleted.
The Mig's from the Kuznetsov are gone but let's pretend they had a defence plan B to provide (realistic) land based cover for the fleet and continue the assault, maybe going for the airfield or just withdrawing as painlessly as possible seeing as they got 4 of 5 subs (assume they know that?). Pretty please!
I hope you are feeling better soon, man flu is widely acknowledged as the most painful disease in the whole world ever. I should know, just kicked one and it took EIGHT days, I thought on day 3 that I couldn't feel any worse, ha ha haaaah, one of the few times I've ever been wrong (allegedly). You know what's worst? The sexier you are the harder it hits, honest.
Pax dude, you are a very valued humanoid.
Hey cap, there's a weird glitch with the Moskva model you used in game, for some reason it looks like it's still floating.
Loved this style of video
16:21 Those MiG engines are so powerful they burned right through the JBD. :)
I think you forgot about the flotilla of Tugs required for the Russian CV to be at sea.
Legends have taught
Battles fought
This lion has no fear at heart
Lion come forth
Come from the north! Come from the north!
Sweden currently use the Saab 340 which is a local turboprop with Erieye mounted to like a Wedgetail. Sweden from 2027 will use Saab's GlobalEye using an updated version of Erieye radar except they mount it on a Bombardier 6000 corporate jet rather than a 737. The GlobalEye has a range of about 215-325 nautical miles using an S-band radar, similar airborne detection range performance to the E7 which uses a L-band radar, but the E7 also adds wider ELINT signals gathering capability. GlobalEye is naturally cheaper, about $250m to an E7 at $600m (flyaway cost).
I am to say the least impressed with the improvement of the whole GR experience..... top notch as they say
Hey guys, when we get the Kola Peninsula Map, could you do a big video on the Northern Fleet vs Nordic Countries (Sweden, Finland, Norway)? It would be cool to see all your modern tech be used in a massive battle, with the Nordic objective to sink the Northern Fleet and the Russian objective to eliminate enemy forces and establish naval supremacy. It would also be a nice excuse to bring together all the ship mods for the Russian Navy you have into one video!
I would also like to see the exact numbers of what they have in real life. It would be interesting to see the strategic effects of the fight!
I'll take it. It's an alternative history where you gave Russia a lot of advantages and it was still about a 50/50. Meaning (the simulation atleast) would give Sweden a decisive win if Russia didn't have those advantages :D
I heard your question about what Sweden use for the AWACS. They use the S-100 Argus. Essentially a SAAB-340 with Erieye radar. In the near future, they'll have the GlobalEye - essentially a Global 6000 with Erieye radar.
Great vid, especially the immersive close to death experience as the Kalbir struck the Visby. The only thing I found weird was that the Swedes could not reload their RBS98s, they are at home after all and would have new missiles on the launcher right quick. The ground launchers of RBS15Mk4 reloaded and fired several times.
Something tells me all of those subs wouldn't be just sitting there with the Russian feet so close.
Would you be able to do a simulation of modern planes doing a Death Star attack run from Return of the Jedi?
I've never seen two different types launched from a single ship like that. That was pretty cool.
Sweden is on the top list of weapon manufacturers with some of the most advanced products in the world.
Really hope you've got functional subs on the list of things you're putting in this mod cus surely they'd have some subs already submerged, patroling that would vector towards the Russian fleet as soon as it was obvious they were heading to attack.
Although of course the Russians would have their own subs so there would be a whole other aspect to the battle, JUST THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!!!
as a swede, this really hits home
Was that a pun?? 😅
@@AnIdiotsLantern not really. I am from sweden
@@TheGamingGeeksSwe lol
Fun to watch. Get well Cap.
Thanks for putting out such a great video Cap, even though you feel like poo. You're a good soldier, Sir! 😊
I think they rb-15s are bugged. Dont they start wiggeling to avoid ciws whent they get close?
Yes IRL they would do defensive maneuvers and they’d be programmed to arrive from different directions.
Don’t think it’s a bug probably just not modeled in DCS
Please may you do a Scandinavia vs Russia Baltic Sea dynamic war game series? You could maybe also ad Germany and UK and extend to North Sea!
sounded like that missile hit, 21 mins in, killed cap lol, hope you get through this cold
Yass finnally!!!!! Ive been the one asking for it many times =D Thank you so much Grim Reapers i love you! Can you do collabs with Growling Sidewinder anytime?