Got balls ! They're actually manufacturing their own prepreg. Very impressive. Boy, if us aerospace composite folks worked even half as fast as they do ...
Nice video! Love it! I own a Giant and have ridden it for many, many years, and it has never let me down! I would love to own one of the new carbon fibre high tech Giants and give it a fast run. Thank you again for this well-made video and fascinating look at the making of a great bicycle!
I love when Giant market their bikes as "composite" instead of "carbon fibre". It really lets you feel uneasy about the cheaper bikes once you realise that "composite" can mean a variety of things, including fibreglass. I saw a video from GCN inside the Trek factory in Wisconsin, and they had a roll of fibreglass which they admitted made up a portion of some their cheaper frames, but at least they'll admit it.
Carbon fiber is the less accurate description. All carbon fiber bikes are actually carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP.) Fiberglass is only used as a barrier between metal components and carbon to prevent galvanic corrosion.
Juan Ulloa it depends on the weave and ratio of carbon to epoxy. good proper CF has maybe 30% epoxy by volume, but I've seen cheap nasty ricer Honda Civic hoods and bling parts that have over 70% epoxy (because epoxy is way cheaper than carbon) and that has all the strength of a banana peel.
So why can we not be able to special order frames????? If they make their own composites?? If they can use a 3D printer to make what ever size internal bladder to wrap the carbon on?? They can be a real GAINT bicycle company and make 63 or 65 cm frames...
Every thing it's ok but the giant trouble is that their manufacturing is poor for high weigths, the pros can change the bike each week but the mortals like us (more than 250 lb) can't ride a giant for large time. It's just for light weights. Althugh design is awesome.
I came across discussion about finding bikes more riders 250lbs+. It might be better to pick a aluminum bike. You may want to visit a Giant store to find out.
Unfortunately, most good to higher end bikes are going to be build with a certain weight in mind, I would guess 180 at the most. Just look at the vast majority of cyclists. We are a skinny lot. This is especially true for road bikes where weight is a selling point(frame weight) and this must be increased to accomodate rider weight increases which won't happen on a production bike. Often, a "lower" end bike is simply a heavier one that is also stronger. For example, if you weight 250lbs and went to a steel custom bike maker you would likely not be recommended the top end steel or at least a mix of various levels would be suggested. Best to write the company and see what is suggested.
Oscar Cuellar When I bought my 2014 Giant Defy Advanced 1, I weighed 263. Ten months later I weigh 235. I was too heavy for the PSL wheels that came with the bike -- the spokes kept loosening and one broke on 20 miles into a 40 mile tour. I replaced them with Velocity Deep-V wheels, which are bombproof. But the Giant frame is also bombproof -- no flexing, no creaking. It's also guaranteed for life. It is emphatically not a weak bike built just for lightweights. Go get one and enjoy it for years -- and ride off the fat!
I'm about to blow your mind gentleman. I am 5'¹¹, wait for it... 310 pounds. Trying so desperately not to be. I did weigh in at 375, just one short year ago. Got on my trusty aluminum Giant Roam 0 and rode all week every week along with a consistent healthy diet of lean protein and still a good amount of carbs for a nice slow, healthy weight loss. About 3 months ago I went to my local bike shop at 335 pounds. The owner himself told me he would trust my weight on any Giant carbon bike just as much as any aluminum frame. They happened to have a new 2013 Giant Defy Advanced 1 Carbon composite frame with ultegra groupset and brakes, PSL-1 wheels. The bike weighs in any just 16 pounds total. My fat ass has been riding this thing HARD. I average about 80 miles through out the workweek and maybe 50 on the weekends. Two days ago I rode 47 miles straight. A new personal record for my self burning over 6000 calories. I'm down 25 pounds in the last two months. I have not had one issue, not with the wheels and especially not with the frame. I am taking more caution than I did with the Roam I had because I am aware of the risk, but the stiffness of this bike, and the look on people's faces when this big fat guy races past them at 25 to 30mph on the straights is more satisfying than any drug. I love this bike. If you're a big, and on the fence about a carbon bike, don't be. I don't know much about the other brands but I do know Giant is one of the few companies that source there own carbon, so they do have an advantage over some other manufacturers. Not stopping by I hit a lean, muscular chiseled 200 pounds. Good day all! Carb the f*#! Up! Get off the couch! Quit making excuses! #fatguytrying
At 3:09 watch the joint integrity, get destroyed!! That frame should be rejected, I bet it wasn't, and yet here is the actual photo proof, shot with their own cameras. Yeah, Chinese composites are just like any other Chinese products, bottom of the line. I've worked with two of the best aerospace companies on several of their composite constructs... so I've seen the 'real' stuff.
+doceigen lol. That frame was about to be molded. It was squashed into the mold to create the desired frame shape. The integrity isn't destroyed at all as it hasn't even got much integrity at that point.
Clawz114 Incorrect… rule of thumb for the rest of you, NEVER squash a composite into a mold, it literally destroys its integrity. Always seek to obtain maximum fill per volume, and all layers need to be in specific alignments. Dude, the resin is not like some kind of amateur epoxy glue job… the less of it the better, don't use it as structure.
cheap labor from asia. They're all made the same way. why not just get a copy from china since they all are made there. You're paying for them to come up with these new shapes.
If you have a Giant distributor in your country, they're at least liable for defects etc, or at least they should be. Buying from China saves you a bunch of money, but it's not without its risks. I know plenty of success stories of Chinese frames, I even came close to buying a titanium mtb frame for a new build, but having a shop or a distributor look after you is usually good, and supposedly their is more quality control in place for the name-brand stuff. They're all made the same way, sure, but whose to say the nameless ones aren't just factory seconds?
Alex Paulsen Good point Alex. I actually changed my opinion on this. A better way to not pay the cost of these expensive frames is to realize that when you're buying a top shelf frame like this you're paying for 20 seconds over a 100 mile ride. I've recently purchased a Cannondale caad12 and I can't image I would need anything better, pretty much ever. There was this video that I saw with durianrider (youtuber) where we rode the same route with a $14k bike and a $500 bike and the difference was around 30 seconds better on the $14k bike.
My Giant Defy Advanced Pro rides like a dream. Thx for sharing these views of your manufacture process.
I love all three of my GIANT bicycles. Ride Giant. :)
Got balls ! They're actually manufacturing their own prepreg. Very impressive. Boy, if us aerospace composite folks worked even half as fast as they do ...
SuperYellowsubmarin I agree, i am quite surprized at the size of this market that would warrent such a massive operation.
Giant is said to be the worlds largest bike manufacturer by volume. I’m not positive if it’s true or not, but this does make me wonder
Nice video! Love it! I own a Giant and have ridden it for many, many years, and it has never let me down! I would love to own one of the new carbon fibre high tech Giants and give it a fast run. Thank you again for this well-made video and fascinating look at the making of a great bicycle!
Poderosa TCR💪😆
nice to know i've been riding a giant piece of duct tape..
thats okay i am riding on a taiwan bike made of recycled beer cans giant
So that's how they made my Carbon Bicycle - Love my Giant.
i love the TCR composites
nice to know my bike was hand built
Yup, just like those super cars. I have one of these bikes too. Proud of it.
So cool to know where and how my Giant TCR composite was made.
They forgot to show us the bonding process of the 2 triangles and alloy dropouts
I love when Giant market their bikes as "composite" instead of "carbon fibre". It really lets you feel uneasy about the cheaper bikes once you realise that "composite" can mean a variety of things, including fibreglass. I saw a video from GCN inside the Trek factory in Wisconsin, and they had a roll of fibreglass which they admitted made up a portion of some their cheaper frames, but at least they'll admit it.
Carbon fiber is the less accurate description. All carbon fiber bikes are actually carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP.) Fiberglass is only used as a barrier between metal components and carbon to prevent galvanic corrosion.
Almost all Treks are now made by........ Giant
@@chunhaylee At least it is made in Taiwan and not mainland China.
You didn't notice they only showed half the frame assembly and then poof, it was painted and being sanded?
MUY MUY BUENO EXELENTE VIDEO LA MEJOR FABRICA QUE HAY GIANT
Enjoyed that, thanks for posting!
Amazing quality production process.
+Awawwaa Wawaaw 你他媽的來亂的啊，大陸製造已經是爛貨的代名詞了
lol, mudhorse thats a first
OMG!
Deadly Trim Section without protective suit!
Wow... each and every one of these carbon frames is hand-made. No wonder they are so expensive.
But Carbon is expensive
Nice Made in Taiwan ! 讚
when did Ken Hom start working for giant... I thought he was a TV chef!
Great video, great bikes
台灣(Taiwan)讚~~Good!
請問有人知道1:26~1:30那台在裁切梯形料片的機台叫什麼名子嗎?
Hiermee maakt Giant het verschil
Awesome!!
They seek kind of 'slapped' together, don't they? Not exactly confidence inspiring...
Phew" i wasnt the only one that was thinking that...
Hi how to buy tcr advance2 and how much the cost sir?
Will the soft material be taken out?
or still built-in even after production?
Hello, The soft material is the carbon fiber. When it is molded, they put epoxy on it to make it hard and strong. They don't take it out. :)
the white fillers are made of polyurethane and will be dissolved afterwards, I think.
What's the tensile strength, elastic range, and Young's modulus in this carbon fibre?
Juan Ulloa it depends on the weave and ratio of carbon to epoxy. good proper CF has maybe 30% epoxy by volume, but I've seen cheap nasty ricer Honda Civic hoods and bling parts that have over 70% epoxy (because epoxy is way cheaper than carbon) and that has all the strength of a banana peel.
What is song name please
1996-1998-workhere
Yep awsome
Molded plastic that's all these are. Give me my good ole steel frame anyday.
So why can we not be able to special order frames????? If they make their own composites?? If they can use a 3D printer to make what ever size internal bladder to wrap the carbon on?? They can be a real GAINT bicycle company and make 63 or 65 cm frames...
that song at 4:42 sound good what it called
+AMG Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM Race car '98 It sounds like Kaito. Maybe a version of It happens Suddenly?
i have one !!!!!
It's to bad these aren't manufactured in the US. Do stock holders get better returns?
Why would a Taiwanese company build a labor-intensive operation in the US and destroy their ability to be competitive and financially solvent?
Every thing it's ok but the giant trouble is that their manufacturing is poor for high weigths, the pros can change the bike each week but the mortals like us (more than 250 lb) can't ride a giant for large time. It's just for light weights. Althugh design is awesome.
I came across discussion about finding bikes more riders 250lbs+. It might be better to pick a aluminum bike. You may want to visit a Giant store to find out.
Unfortunately, most good to higher end bikes are going to be build with a certain weight in mind, I would guess 180 at the most. Just look at the vast majority of cyclists. We are a skinny lot. This is especially true for road bikes where weight is a selling point(frame weight) and this must be increased to accomodate rider weight increases which won't happen on a production bike.
Often, a "lower" end bike is simply a heavier one that is also stronger. For example, if you weight 250lbs and went to a steel custom bike maker you would likely not be recommended the top end steel or at least a mix of various levels would be suggested. Best to write the company and see what is suggested.
Oscar Cuellar When I bought my 2014 Giant Defy Advanced 1, I weighed 263. Ten months later I weigh 235. I was too heavy for the PSL wheels that came with the bike -- the spokes kept loosening and one broke on 20 miles into a 40 mile tour. I replaced them with Velocity Deep-V wheels, which are bombproof. But the Giant frame is also bombproof -- no flexing, no creaking. It's also guaranteed for life. It is emphatically not a weak bike built just for lightweights. Go get one and enjoy it for years -- and ride off the fat!
I'm about to blow your mind gentleman. I am 5'¹¹, wait for it... 310 pounds. Trying so desperately not to be. I did weigh in at 375, just one short year ago. Got on my trusty aluminum Giant Roam 0 and rode all week every week along with a consistent healthy diet of lean protein and still a good amount of carbs for a nice slow, healthy weight loss. About 3 months ago I went to my local bike shop at 335 pounds. The owner himself told me he would trust my weight on any Giant carbon bike just as much as any aluminum frame. They happened to have a new 2013 Giant Defy Advanced 1 Carbon composite frame with ultegra groupset and brakes, PSL-1 wheels. The bike weighs in any just 16 pounds total. My fat ass has been riding this thing HARD. I average about 80 miles through out the workweek and maybe 50 on the weekends. Two days ago I rode 47 miles straight. A new personal record for my self burning over 6000 calories. I'm down 25 pounds in the last two months. I have not had one issue, not with the wheels and especially not with the frame. I am taking more caution than I did with the Roam I had because I am aware of the risk, but the stiffness of this bike, and the look on people's faces when this big fat guy races past them at 25 to 30mph on the straights is more satisfying than any drug. I love this bike. If you're a big, and on the fence about a carbon bike, don't be. I don't know much about the other brands but I do know Giant is one of the few companies that source there own carbon, so they do have an advantage over some other manufacturers. Not stopping by I hit a lean, muscular chiseled 200 pounds. Good day all! Carb the f*#! Up! Get off the couch! Quit making excuses! #fatguytrying
Yeah, yeah. I don't care. The time isn't enough.
sanding carbon fiber without proper mask. They can expect some lung problems.
They sand it wet. Relax.
At 3:09 watch the joint integrity, get destroyed!! That frame should be rejected, I bet it wasn't, and yet here is the actual photo proof, shot with their own cameras. Yeah, Chinese composites are just like any other Chinese products, bottom of the line. I've worked with two of the best aerospace companies on several of their composite constructs... so I've seen the 'real' stuff.
+doceigen
lol. That frame was about to be molded. It was squashed into the mold to create the desired frame shape. The integrity isn't destroyed at all as it hasn't even got much integrity at that point.
Clawz114 Incorrect… rule of thumb for the rest of you, NEVER squash a composite into a mold, it literally destroys its integrity. Always seek to obtain maximum fill per volume, and all layers need to be in specific alignments. Dude, the resin is not like some kind of amateur epoxy glue job… the less of it the better, don't use it as structure.
Overpriced plastic. No thanks.
Thomas L ķķ
cheap labor from asia. They're all made the same way. why not just get a copy from china since they all are made there. You're paying for them to come up with these new shapes.
If you have a Giant distributor in your country, they're at least liable for defects etc, or at least they should be. Buying from China saves you a bunch of money, but it's not without its risks. I know plenty of success stories of Chinese frames, I even came close to buying a titanium mtb frame for a new build, but having a shop or a distributor look after you is usually good, and supposedly their is more quality control in place for the name-brand stuff. They're all made the same way, sure, but whose to say the nameless ones aren't just factory seconds?
Alex Paulsen Good point Alex. I actually changed my opinion on this. A better way to not pay the cost of these expensive frames is to realize that when you're buying a top shelf frame like this you're paying for 20 seconds over a 100 mile ride. I've recently purchased a Cannondale caad12 and I can't image I would need anything better, pretty much ever. There was this video that I saw with durianrider (youtuber) where we rode the same route with a $14k bike and a $500 bike and the difference was around 30 seconds better on the $14k bike.
Walmart bikes...