NeuroScientist：Free Will is an illusion ｜ Neil deGrasse Tyson & Brian Greene
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- Neil deGrasse Tyson & Brian Greene
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i was predetermined from the big bang to post this comment
Idk why but their conversation makes me feel like I’m part of it for some reason it gives me hope
Oh the laughter. Enjoyed these perspectives.
OK first of all I must say I've never laughed this hard to anything on CZcams. This is by far the funniest scientific video I've watched in my life. Hell, this was funnier than a majority of stand-up comedies. 27:00 had me rolling in tears, literaly.
Science should be fun!!!
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Yeah I agree with Brian Greene. People mix up determinism & fatalism & that’s what causes the bad behavior. Your decisions DO matter & all determinism is saying is despite them mattering, they weren’t freely chosen by you. But who cares, it doesn’t take away the emotions we feel. Telling people this will make them realize yes I’m not free but that doesn’t matter cause our emotions feel real to us anyway. So continue your life knowing what you do does cause effects in this world.
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They are freely chosen by me. Us. Free will is a fact. Not an illusion.
@@benares180 But you fail to realize how those choices get made in the brain. Bottom up, top down processing. Your brain calculates different perceptions & decisions than other people & that in turn dictates the outcome. You are a result of brain functioning you have no control over. What you do, think, feel is all a result of your own experiences both internal & external. I understand you feel like the driver but you’re not, you’re just the spectator that feels what is going on.
@@benares180 you wrong,
god makes people dumb, drop science, behave hypocritically
god = devil ↓
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@@hobnob666 Nope. I'm in control of my choices. I might be influenced by things. Some I know, others I don't. But the choices are ultimately mine to make. The brain is the organ used to make sure I stay alive. Yes. But the one thing not you, or the any intelligent person (or people in general) in the world can account for is consciousness. You don't know how it works.
Also. You, nor anyone else has any evidence for your hypothesis that we lack free will. It's all thought experiments. It's all philosophy. No matter who is talking about it. Fun to speculate, but that's about it.
So you're talking about a thing you don't fully don't understand, without evidence, and yet still treat it as more of a fact than anything in the math department can give you. It's pretty impressive.
When I was younger I always thought the concept of "destiny" seemed like some romantic hokey pokey bullshit, but it turns out it is actually more of a scientific concept that actually makes a lot of sense.
"Destiny" is usually used to imply that you were always going to do something for a reason or that someone knew beforehand what was going to happen (e.g. God). Of course in reality, there are no real reasons that anything happens and nobody can ever know what is going to happen due to quantum uncertainty and randomness
I never conceptualized myself as believing in destiny either. Nowadays I believe destiny is a real thing, not supernatural, just the laws of physics.
I love that they’re too EXTREMELY smart people and they show their sense of humor as well, this was so enjoyable to watch
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The moment you know we all are going to die one day, gives us A LOT of room to create stories about why.
I’ve seen this discussion more than 10 times now . And I’m sure this is “probably” the best intellectual discussion about this subject to dumb mf like me. I’ve shared this video among my friends multiple times. I hope they listen to it with an open mind.
Will this make us live based more on primordial experiences of pleasure and pain? All the while one would have thought of making choices based on one's satisfaction, pride, guilt one would feel, etc., with close associations to the illusion of self. But will the demolition of free will, the sense of self takes a massive hit. Definition of self to me has now been reduced to a living being/entity like everyone else, not the mind or soul. Now the core motivation of decision making is to experience a particular experience.
We have to seek these experiences because we don't live in survival mode (in the sense of danger to life) most of our life because we have established a safe living environment. One has to spend time paying attention to something (even nothing being something). Otherwise, we would have spent more time in survival mode the way our ancestors will have in the past.
This is the way my brain has made sense of life after the realization of the illusion of free will and the illusion of self (conventional sense of mind or an immaterial entity like soul). How has your brain rationalized to live with the acceptance of these illusions?
Brian Greene has a much deeper understanding on free will than Neil. So, Neil should listen.
Brian does not understand free will. He's been determined to say words that will convince some others who have been determined to believe his words.
Brian Greene was way off base. As she pointed, quantum mechanics cannot be scaled up to tell us whether a neuron fires or not. She made her own fallacious point by citing the discredited Libet experiments.
This is so good. I wish the men could step back and actually listen to the woman talk and instead of competing with her and each other for attention. But what they are all actually saying is phenomenal and thought provoking.
@@shenison ~ Except that she was wrong to cite the Libet experiment which has since been discredited. It was obviously wrong from the get-go.
@@shenison ~ It's contradictory that some people argue against free will -- but they act like they do have free will. They think their actions can make a difference, while they tell us that everything is pre-determined. They have cognitive dissonance between their beliefs and their actions.
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@@rjam3810 and 1 hr after you replied to my reply i was predestined to reply to you again. Aint world do wonders !
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One extra thing comes to my mind. When they argue about particle probability in one place or other. Human brain and it's brain wave activity works and emerge in different scale. Quantum physics is almost the smallest scale we know. Brain waves are much larger in scale and probably don't interrupt the quantum physics process in our brains
If you can slow the mind down so a minute feels like a day. Then you ride a wave on your surfboard, does it feel like a really long ride that goes on for miles and miles or does it feel like you are moving in slow motion?
If you want to know the answer, I would focus on figuring out how to slow our perception rather than making guesses.
You'd feel like everything is super slow around you. Even your own movement is slowed down and heavy. Because your brain would be working faster (time perception slowed down) but your muscles and whole world around you would remain the same.
Therapy not possible if predetermined
Also when Neil said he almost got applauded for counting close to 90 seconds in his mind by missing one second in real time was hilarious 😭
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I wonder how many of the “sit on the couch” types believed in astrology beforehand.
Does Neil deGrasse Tyson have free will over his narcissistic need to talk over others ?
He has freedom to not interrupt, I'm pretty sure that ability is in his "repertoire".
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Tyson had the free will to speak 3 times as many words as the moderator and guests.
Put into simulation theory, you are watching a super elaborate movie, and determinism idea is making super sense. Time is not consequential. Etc.
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Anyone who has ever beaten an addiction knows that free will does exist.
Well your desire to beat the addiction was more than you desire the addiction .You didn't have any free will in that.
Lorean Borbert is smart now?
And which one of your Lords Bounties do you still deny?
Your will to want comes AFTER you've done your choice. It's post hoc rationalization.
thats a lie that its not proven we dont even know if we always choose according to our wants so you just try to pass a lie that everything you do you choose it scientist have found that we dont always choose before we act so what you say is your opinion
Framing the question incorrectly. You aren’t debating Free Will. You are debating Agency.
Well, as a theist this makes sense to me and jives really will with Calvinism.
Brian says in his definition of free will "...if I could have choice for things to be different". But if his ideas on determinism are correct then no once chooses anything. In fact, in Brian's universe the idea of choice itself is an illusion. So his definition is itself an illusion.
and your comment is an illusion aswell
@@businessmanager7670 This thread is an illusion.
@@dreyestud123 yes so your comment is an illusion and is false. so your opinion is not necessarily valid.
@@dreyestud123 and it is not in "Brians universe".LOL.
it is in the academically accepted consensus that freewill is incompatible with physics.
there is no evidence of freewill.
the opinions that you gave yourself are in your personal "universe", not the academic consensus. lmao 😂.
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Ok, simple choices I can agree - burger with cheese or not. What about life choices about which you are actually deliberately thinking long time with analyze of data? This choices are also already made ? We are talking only about impact of subconsciousness on awarness, there is NOT impact to the other side? Can I manipulate my subconsciouness by my concious?
How many times did the two narcissists, (on the far left and far right), interrupt others in order to make jokes and draw attention to themselves ?!? I was really interested in this subject matter. . .that is until those two ego maniacs kept hijacking the platform !!
I felt the same way, and it wasn't just the two of them. All three men talked over others. interupted and made silly comments.
I really like Tyson. I don't know those other two. But, I disagree with them by the 10 minute mark.
My retort: if it is our brain making the decision, why do you say it is an illusion? You are divorcing us from our own brains. I see this as a logical fallacy, rather fundamentally erroneous to the point she was trying to make. .
Maybe 10 seconds deep within our subconscious "we" are just more than merely what you can measure at our brain with blood and your instruments. I suspect that since they cannot conceive that anything could slip by their designed tests, measurements, and instruments- that there is nothing else to say.
And how about the times that I am about to say that I decide to put cheese on my burger, then at the last moment I change my mind and decide no, I shouldn't have the cheese, give me one without cheese. i.e. A self-control over my initial instinctual or perhaps habitual decision. I'm fairly certain that the conscious thought of my brain is weighing those options and making that decision.
Perhaps they can tell by measuring blood flow to my neurons that I'm going to be making a decision soon. But to go so far as to say up to 10 seconds in advance you can predict that my brain somehow made the decision, without my brain taking part in making the decision is a really obtuse.
Free will is the only thing that makes life worth living.
Tyson is an illusion.
TeaParty1776 is an illiusion.
Ilusion is an illusion.
Determinism is an illusion.
I have no illusions any longer.
Robert sapolsky should be here.
This is my favorite topic in life and the two of you that I don’t want to name (left and right) ruined it. You, ruuuuuined it. Well, blaming you is not fair since you are not blameworthy in the domain of hard incompatibilism.
if you think you have free will, do you also think AI has free will too ?
Free Will is wrongly interpreted or meaningless at all.
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Nah. We have free will. There's no evidence to the contrary. It's all philosophy. Which is interesting, but it's not a fact like a lot of people believe it to be.
it's nonsense.
you are deluded.
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There is plenty of evidence that we lack freewill. There is no evidence that we have freewill.
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