Roster Reduction - My comment section has spoken
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- A roster reduction was the most common theme in my comments in my last video. Ultimately I see a Roster reduction as a way to help another issue with the game which is the fatigue. When I thought about losing static members due to the fatigue, I started to think about how good a roster reduction would be for the overall health of the community and game.
I do think this is an issue more specific to the Global client players due to the fast pace release schedule with a lack of assistance to hit item level breakpoints especially post 1580. As I think a lot of Korean players are pretty content with their rosters as they had so much more time to prepare and work on their roster.
So I want to talk about first a general topic on the doom state of Lost Ark in the West (Potentially more to come). Designs and attempts to reduce fatigue, and why I think a Roster reduction would be one of the better ways to achieve such.
0:00 I yield
1:20 (The Struggle for) Change
2:30 Design
3:26 Attempts
4:56 Roster Reduction
8:03 One Fear
8:38 Closing up
Moment of Impact - Tekken 7 - Hry
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The Chaos botting is actually absurd how many people are using it. The Value is far higher then most people realize as well. The value is well into the Billions for Silver and Millions for Gold when you consider some of the rosters people use for them.
You make some really good points and I think this could potentially be a good fix. Personally, I enjoy having multiple characters as that is what keeps the gameplay fresh for me and the one thing I hear everybody agree with is that Lost Ark has some of the best gameplay. I just hope if they make a change like this, it still allows people to have multiple chars. I really think the biggest issue with all of these burnout vidoes is time/= gold/resources you make in the game currently. I just came back from a year hiatus in January, playing 6 days a week and even with 4 chars I just beat Thaemine barely, no 35 set, and working on 1630. The exponential climb just sucks and we need some padding in the 1580-1610 honing area.
rip leaf saddies
I wouldn't mind a roster reduction, but this has to come with some other changes. First, to be able to do more stuff on our main character. Right now my main is 1637.5 and my alts are 1620 or 1610 with no transcendance and 35elixirs at best. The power difference in between my main and alt has grown so big it significantly reduced the fun of playing alts, so, they should make more stuff to do roster wide per week, stuff we could do on the main only and get roster growth with.
Second, if we have less characters in the roster (gold earners I assume), then give ppl the possibility to have more diversity. Make it possible to class change, let ppl play both their class engraving without needing a full set of gems. This would help a lot to sustain the entertainment of playing the game. Tho I get they want their bloody cash and want ppl to swipe like crazy making new classes and buying a second set of gems (less than 0.1% of the playerbase)
That's the problem with this player base. If you have more characters at 1580+ they are no longer your alts but mains
ive only played 1 character since launch, except made an aero when that came out but i pretty much just do kayangel on there to try get wings.
So you play for 45 minutes a week and move on to another game by Thursday. Which is fine if that works for you but most of us don't run a large roster because it's super fun to do, but because there is a fine line between there being absolutely no content in LA and there being a full time job of content in LA and it all boils down to how many times each week you want to repeat the same thing.
If you treat LA like a typical MMO, you need more than a days worth of content to keep you invested.
what I'm thinking is that make it 3 gold earners and 4 gold raids, that way, you reduce overall raids from 18 to 12. You're also raising only 3 characters so gold expenses isn't so bad and overall your characters would not be so weak.
really good point especially with the new raids being stacked at a really close ilvl that would be 100% viable option
No, the only real fix is 12 or 15 roster raids, with 20 percent increase in gold, so 3 chars will be able to finish all gold earners, but spenders will still earn more getting 3x high raids per char.
At 1:04 you typed something to mention 2:1 bots to players, giving props. Well, It's probably more dire than that ... There was a point directly after the bot banwave, during an expected high volume hour, that CCU login's was only 20k which would have still included bots. So, the bot to player ratio is more than likely closer to 4:1 before bans. Just keep that in mind.
Edit: To go along with the roster catch up mechanic, they should do something about people that want to main swap. Like say I have a main character selected that is 1640 but find a different character more fun. If I select that character, there should be additional bonuses but also time limits. Like if I swap my main character on roster to a lower ilvl than the highest ilvl on the roster, then it locks to that as a main for 1 year or something but gives significant bonuses to catch it up to the previous main, weapon, ilvl, all of it.
Oh yeah, I said at least 2:1 iirc. Since there is no way they caught them all.
whats the chaos bot link? asking for a friend
in my personal case, my little sister is my chaos bot
Is there a universe where we can have a fair middle ground on alts? The diversity of different class play styles really keeps the game fresh and adds a little nuance to the same old raids. One of my favorite classes to play is EO soulfist, but I've been reluctant to push her past 1600 because of the gem requirement and resource investment that I should put towards my main. I really dislike that playstyle changes are locked so far into investment with multiple level 10 cd gem requirements that are just not viable in the current game for your average alt.
It is quite silly that they put such a focus on time wasting dailies when almost everyone plays for the raids. Though they do have to boost their daily player count and retention somehow. I've had basically a whole static quit because of dailies and homework fatigue in the Brel days. Rewards from Unas should just be a log in reward at this point, it is a waste of humanity's time to do them. Either that or tack them onto another daily's rewards to reduce bloat.
Raid lockouts are dumb in any game imo. The most fun/interesting content shouldn't be a once a week event. Obviously, bussers have a tight grip on Smilegate's balls as it seems to influence their design decisions. No lockout would also be a nightmare in the current landscape with the amount of bots we have. I don't think this has to be the way though, and fundamental changes in how we acquire materials/upgrades can really make the game more enjoyable. I'm actually liking the idea of more bound gold, since realistically, I don't interact with the market THAT much and most of my gold goes directly into the upgrade systems. I haven't given it that much thought though.
fun fact, you do not actually need to keep up with the whales to enjoy the game, ppl are so stuck on effciency they forget it's a game, at first i actually believed gatekeeping is as bad as they said it is, then i realised people just want their alts carried and are picky in lobbies even on cheap alts, like, no Connie, we do not care ur main is 1655 if you're on a 1540 lv 8 gem shadowhunter and your lobby name in normal brel is "min 1540, los 30, lv 8+ gems + title---kick on restart"
you dont have to worry about the break points for eo that much all they do for hype 3 is increase 1 skill extra per breakpoint on the regular 18 skills under optimal conditions.
and the lvl 10 cd gem 2.5 breakpoint? doesnt change that much either again in optimal conditions 1 skill gets a 10% dmg increase per rotation but you can easely fill that up with flash step before or after.
as long as your full 7s and 1750 swift your good but it might be worth it at 1600 to invest in 2 lvl 8 cds for the next breakpoint if youre into it.
i have 3 cd 10s and i went back to using tempest sindce not having para immunity on most skills absolutely suuuuuucks
I think keep 6 character roster.
Reduce 3* raids to 2* raids and increase the gold.
No thx. I'd rather play more on my favorite mains, not less.
RIP Leaf, he will be missed
Look what they did to my boy
The turtle never made it to the water
my boy is finally free
The ironic thing is I'm basically only playing 3 characters daily and that's it. But my roster is paltry compared to some other long-term players. I do want alts, I think most of us want them... but less need for 6 is nice. Because as it stands, I don't really want to play more than my main and two alts. That inven post does indeed have me huffing the hopium too. Yapping is good, but a lot of people need to learn how to convey their complaints about a game without doom-posting. But I mean, I'm a yapper by nature soooo...maybe a little biased sounding saying that lol.
Most people want alts because of the rewards. The game would have enough content for a single character if not for all the weekly limits. As it is, we have to play alts to keep up with friends or swipe. But either way, I refuse to cut 6 good stones, buy 6 sets good quality accessories with pheon cost, build 6 sets of (at least) lvl 7 gems, buy 6 sets of 20 legendary engraving books, progress 6 akkan gear sets, pray for 6 good bracelets, transmute 6 good sets of 40 elixirs(hipotetical, not enough gold even swipping) and succeed 6 transcendence sets(also no gold). I refuse to spend a single dime until they fix the game.
Easy fix. Roll all the stats u from elixer trancendance and bracelet into the gear it self. 6x the gold gain from all raids and lock all gold gain to one main character. That way one character can do 6 character worth of gold raids and the only progression will be gear honing and gems. If u want to play an alt it's by choice. Honing should only cost silver on an alt no matter the ilvl as long as it dosent come within 50 ilvl of your main. That way people won't cheese the system to main swap.
Ngl 100% of the time i was watching your transcendence and didnt listen at all 😅
Transcending that day was the only time thunder(?) actually saved me and cleaned the board as a last resort.
So many people play alt roster even if devs limit rosters , people going to add to number of rosters !! Responsibility is on grown up adults (players) that can't control themself not devs , devs ain't your parrent !!
Damn, yeah I thought I was in the minority when it came to all the issues this game has had recently, seems like there’s more to it huh? Game’s bleeding players everyday now, hope they do something. I’ve quit playing (for now).
I'm one of the static members he lost cause of this. 🙃
i disagree i dont think an mmo is about the infinite farm you can do an mmo is about the experience of playing a game and having people from other places there with you the infinite grind is just an add-on ff14 for example is not about the infinite grind and more about the community interaction wich is what an mmo should be about the interactiong among the community
I should had stated that this is how mmos have been slowly turning into - an infinite grind to monopolize you. FF14 is an outlier in a lot of things when talking about mmos that exist today, as they don't compromise their game for the sake of a grind to push their player base towards whaling. And for the most part, the people I know who play the game play it very seasonal because of that. FF14 is a game I think has a good design philosophy, but the actual gameplay itself isn't fun to me so I haven't played it in so long.
What a mmo is about is changes person to person, as a recent talk in the mmo community is a desire to be a solo player who just happens to co-exist with people. Just like some people like tier resets so they can change things up and not worry about past content that much/skip it. While there are some people who enjoy games because a lack of resets because they know that all their time, effort and money went into something that they might be relevant till they stop playing. I don't think either one is wrong to think, just like what makes a mmo is just subjective. So that was on me for not clarifying I was talking about how the majority of the industry has turned into with the F2P+++++++++ life.
People tell you "Reduce your roster" but all your doing is just moving back a content tier, you're still going to run 18 raids a week because you need that income to support the characters you do want to keep on your roster.
So sure, you may save some mental by pretending half your roster is only 1580 and running brel/clown/kaya or something but you ARE STILL running 18 raids a week.
It doesn't matter if it isn't current content, it's still just as much homework.
F2P = gold starved regardless
P2W = you overpaid for gold from AGS
G2G = the most mentally sane healthy solution to all the problems. (jk btw)
People: play the game
Also the same people: I don't want to play the game, I want to get free stuff for free because playing the game is too much for me
L take, a game like this can not be only designed for preschoolars that have that much time on their hands, just because you doom It to die 2 years later when the preschoolars go to scool😂
@@vasilesidau7749 no other regions gets as many hand outs as AGS and you all are still crying. True preschooler mindset.
@@helgenlane 😂😂 can you imagine i had the time and interest to compare our shitty game experience with another regions shittier experience and think, oh God, thank God we had the luck the stars alignedfor for us😂😂
U even human or just a sheep that learned to write?! 💀🐑🐑
I guess we need ppl like you around or con artists would be out of a job😂😂
@@helgenlane Do u even realize, we are about 6 months - 1 year behind in resources compared to KR?... by ur comments, ur the perfect slave, get breadcrumbs and be happy with it...clearly u got noe idea or interest in the right things for the game, to keep it alive, try start a new roster, and see how fast u abandon it, gl:)
I do only rested dailies (even unas) and i can keep up with content (1630,1620,1620,1615,1610,1610) atm. The biggest struggle is just gold and not mats, our version cannot sustain elixirs and transcendance gold sinks
This is alt game. They should make playing alts as easy as possible. Lock the gold to that character. Instead of reducing the fun alts, reduce the dailies. Remove all unas. Make chaos and guardians not needed. In general make it easier to get these new systems and honing so that you could play lost ark more casually
Yeah, I originally planned to make a video called "Alt focused, but not alt friendly" But now I used some of the topics planned in there for this video.
@@Jukwol could do something like "how to make loa casual friendly" and include it in the video. And the fact that you can't come take a break since if you don't play nonstop you won't reach the ilvl/requirements for the next raid. Every other game let's you take breaks, even mmos. But loa actively is hostile to the very notion. There's another idea to talk about the translations of comments from the zeals tweet. Koreans blame us and want us shut down just because we voice our discontent. It's a good time to make out wishlists and predictions as loaon is coming. Things like locking gold per character would do a lot to make people less pressured to play more characters than they want, while also allowing people that enjoy the alts to play as many as they wish. Stuff like allowing all dps parties would be a huge boon for many of us that don't have 10x clears as supports don't want to join us, while still allowing dps goblinos want supps for faster clears. Or blizzards bnet authenticator style opt-in for new accounts to allow trading to reduce rmt.. Achievements to display on your profile for clearing prokel style challenges in trixion, or successfully performing raid mechs on solo raid mode / staying alive until the end of the raid, etc so people would trust you.. So many things to wish and speculate before loaon
“This is alt game” that’s the problem right there. Western players don’t wanna force themselves to play 6 characters and if you take a break u are behind even with the free mats. Just let us choose between earn all gold on main or divided among 6 alts
Also dailies take less time than finding a lobby for raids idk why ur complaining about dailies more than the lobby simulator. Raids are the main issue
@@Fumble469 I'm not. Ur putting words into my mouth.