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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
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If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8. - Hry
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You should try practicing the spin recovery switch. It is basically a hornet's Cobra button
made in ccp china plane is useless.
That's a Su-30 variant, J-16 doesn't have canards or thrust vectoring. Does have better missiles/radar though and some weight reduction compared to a Su-30.
SU-30Mkm
Yes, you are right.
exactly!!!
also lighter overall weight, better avionics and radar than the su-30variants
The Swiss Air Force air show squadron with their vintage F/A-18 (with avionics mods) show how good the platform is at very low speed with maneuvers that make you think the plane has thrust vectoring - its stunning to watch.
Of course these maneuvers arent necessarily useful in a dogfight, but it still underscores the capability of the plane.
There are plenty of videos of the Patrouille Suisse here on youtube if you like the plane and mad flying skills making it shine.
I've seen the RAAF Hornet do the same moves IRL at the Australian international airshow. Unfortunately won't be seeing them again because of the replacement by F35s who also so impressive moves as well. My favourite move was the low speed high alfa, it was barely moving forward at stall and could hold it without dropping into the ground.
@@rodneypayne4827
F-35A Block 3i is said to be "Hornet with a turbo". Better with F-35A Block 3F (9G).
From Norwegian pilot in late 2015 (to counter David Axe's F-35A AF-02 unit vs F-16D in Jan 2015)
I quote
_Overall, flying the F-35 reminds me a bit of flying the F/A-18 Hornet, but with an important difference: It has been fitted with a turbo_
Swiss F/A-18C are the 9G varaint.
Both Fins and Swiss are buying F-35A Block 4 since it's direct improvements over F/A-18C. Terms of dogfight doctrine, F-35A Block 3F fights like 9G Hornet with F-16's acceleration and roll rates.
@Ganiscol: The Patrouille Suisse is flying the Tiger F-5. You might speak of the swiss F/A-18 Hornet Solo Display which is using a F/A-18 (as the name says) and which is very impressive indeed!
I’m a msfs 2020 user wondering if I’m going to get into dcs. Your videos are the most interesting to watch by far. You evidently put a lot of work into them.I may never start flying this sim but I subscribed and enjoy watching your videos. Great editing.
thank you very much, I appreciate the comments, hope you decide to join our little community the more the merrier.
I think you’ll love it. I recently started playing a few days ago but I know a shit ton due to gs’s vids and the help of others . I main the f18 and I’ve honestly been getting good at it. I dropped my first jdams on target today😂 🎊
the discount code is actually a pretty sweet deal, is that ongoing on just a partnership for a limited time? Love your videos, always look forward to seeing that notification of a new dogfight!
Had the same question
I think it’s long term cause i feel like most of his recent videos have had the discount in them
@@alexboydston1274 Looks like I have some catching up to do! Thanks for the reply, that's an exciting partnership. I have only played DCS for a year or so, but I have never seen a discount coupon until now!
its for 30 days only
J-16 shouldn't have canard, it's mainly designed as strike fighter for ground missions. it also doesn't use Russian munitions, instead it used mainly domestic PL10/15/21.
Is it called peoples liberation missile?
@@SupaMan2122 No 霹雳(Pi-Li) for thunderbolt
@@SupaMan2122 霹（pī）雳（lì）
i accidentally found your channel. best accident ever. ive started to love fighter jets again! keep up the great work!
Me too mate. Found his videos like a year ago ehile searching for Jet videos. And I started to love DCS and his advices and views on them.
Same mate.
Flying the multi role Hornet mission aside, the breakthrough was low maintenance hours compared to F4, A7, A4, F8 aircraft. Spent 8 years fixing 40+ in two RAG squadrons.
DCS doesn’t have a maintenance modules.
Keep up the good fight GS.
The tac debrief was amazing! Thank you!!! Really does help me as a new viewer understand what's happening in the fight!! I didn't realize the areal ballet that took place until you really started to move the camera.
I just bought the f18 and im still waiting on my hotas. Thank you for the little tips between fights and explaining the basics in tacview! your video's are the reason i want to get into dcs!
I just started yesterday on the SU-25 in vr and I have the thrusmaster t600, the game runs slow and I need to turn the graphics to the lowest setting, I'm completely lost, ill get the hang of it but keep in mind that the key binds take hours to make and figure out.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 LOL, welcome to DCS. I'm 300 hours in and still feel completely lost half the time.
Oh man - the F18 is a beast of a plane.. you're going to love it!
@@toyotawitha20mm35 graphics cards dropping in price save for upgrade another month and should be near msrp
Damn, they even recreated Bitchin' Betty in DCS ("Roll left, Roll left!"). The details in this game surprise me sometimes.
Bitchin’ Betty’s “Roll left! Roll left!” saved GS today, and many other Hornet drivers over the years
Dude in the sailboat is getting a helluva show
I've watched a ton of your Dogfight videos recently, but this one was the most intense, at least to my feeling.
That first hit which blew off the nose, yet not destroying the J-16 was amazing.
Also I was about to ask for clarification regarding one-circle and two-circle and all of a sudden the explanation comes in this TacView. Fantastic!
I would love to see more of the mission style videos with you and several wingmen going up against multiple enemies. Would love a multiple F-14B vs a mixed SU/MiG group with some bombers where you have to protect the carrier. Either way, keep up the great content!
Thank you very much for the video! I’ve been waiting for this one!
4:49 Betty is always watching
“Bitching Betty” doing her job at 4:50! Nice recovery.
I've replayed the cinematic "near hit the ground" moment of the round 2 like 20 times, how epic it is omg
3:34 that was a 🔥SPICY fight
4:44 terrain near miss
11:13 well technically, it is someone forcing themselves on someone's tail that doesn't want them there 😂
was gettin worried bud, glad to see another vid. any thoughts on the YF 23 Black Widow?
I grew up loving the F16 and did buy the module along with the 14 and 18. I got invited into a Navy group though and decided to start out with the 18 as it also matched my Winwing hotas. Now that I have flown it for a month or so I love the 18. I have not even got into combat yet just learning procedures, arial refueling, navigation, formation flying, and case 1 carrier landings. I still want to get some seat time in the 16 and 14 after I have a good understanding of all the systems in the 18.
4:50 - I don't think I've ever heard "Bitchin' Betty" actually sound scared before, but that computer needs a change of underwear!
The close proximity between two aircraft in a dogfight like this really explains a lot about what is going on
Don't mess with the Hornet.
Don't mess with flanker.
Love the hornet vid, learned a lot from this one, keep em going!
Growling is like the guy who seems to be new at a game, failing to fly normally, but as long as he joins in action, dodging 4 missiles, shooting down 5 bandit is a piece of cake for him.
J-16s have canards????? I thought the J-15s had them.
My first full fidelity was the A-10C, 2nd was the F/A-18C hornet. Honestly, love them both and they're very fun to fly. A-10C is a bit harder to fly and use but worth it as it gives you a ton to learn and do. Though, I never understood why people said the A-10C was "hard" as I found it decently easy to learn... then again I was passionate about it and love the A-10 in general, and dogfighting/a2a isn't really my thing, rather be using my Mavericks or rockets/the 30mm cannon (:
at first i only watched you for the f22 dogfights but now after seeing this battle i think these dogfights are alot more thrilling, more action and stuff i think its because the f22 just got so overpowered every battle is won with ease, its become so good that in just one circle the enemy is dead which completely takes off the thrill and fun in it. this has encouraged me to try new things and watch more videos of yours other than the f22 dogfights
You know, I don't think I've ever seen any of the indigenous Chinese Flanker variants (J-11B, J-15, J-16) carrying Russian missiles like the Archer. They're always carrying the PL-8 (Python 3). The inverse is also true. I don't think I've seen the J-11A/Su-27, Su-30MKK, or Su-35s carrying any Chinese munitions
J-16 uses the PL-10, not the PL-8 and Su-30MKK/MK2s were modified to accept chinese missiles such as the PL-12.
Technically, j-16 is kind of an indigenous Chinese variant/ without a direct origin from soviet/Russian fighter. The aero dynamic shape is a knock off but everything else including engine are all Chinese design. J-16d growler is even more indigenously designed (the only flanker w/o gun).
@@yichongwang7699 That would make sense, but in pictures, the Russian imports always seem to be carrying R-27/R-73 missiles.
Are the J-16 not qualified for PL-8s? I assume the launch pylon is a bit different due to the PL-8's long fins, but thought the capability would have been retained to allow use of existing stocks of missiles.
That is correct. Only the imported Flankers carry some Russian weaponry that came along with the purchase in the PLAAF.
@@chanman819 I assume they would be made compatible, so the question is why use PL-8 when PL-10 is on the block? It would be kind of like still using AIM-9M when the 9X are in service.
This is why I love the Hornet it gets in there does its job and gets out successful, plus it is a sexy plane.
Thanks GS. Good to see some Hornet content again
That blue note @ 5:08 🤌🏻
these videos are mesmerizing. absolutely stellar content sir! thank you.
Many many years ago I sat in the cockpit of AN FA-18 at Greenham Common when they were brand spanking new, it was soo futuristic at the time. Probably long before you were born! 😂
The amount of low on that shot of you nearly scraping plane belly 🔥🔥🔥
4:42 - GS splashes his opponent, with a little added disrespect.
6:42 - His opponent expresses his feeling about that.
LOL!
Hi GS, I have two requests for your future dogfights:
1. Fly the F-15Baz and use the Python-5 missiles against the Su-57, with LongShot or Feisty flying the Felon. I wanna see how the Python fairs against the Felon’s DIRCMs and “thrust-vectoring bullsh%t” 😂
2. Take the MiG-29 Fulcrum which you love so much and go head-to-head with the Dassault Rafale - the very plane that absolutely chewed you up back in Nov 2020. Wouldn’t it be nice to get some revenge on the Rafale using your beloved Fulcrum? 😈
Only if you say please
Thx again. Awesome video. Do you set up your HOTAS to emulate the specific jet you're flying or do you have a generic setup that works for all aircraft? Cheers.
Betty saved GS's life in the second vid lol
God i love the betty on this thing roll left call legit saved you lol its saved my friend a few times in low alt fights too
Another great video GS
I'm wondering how many are like me and follow this channel simply because they're fascinated with fighter jets and don't play any sort of video games at all and barely know anything about flight or air to air combat, besides what they've learned here?
Like, this stuff occupies 0% of my life. I'm not into it like that, but I really enjoy these videos, and I've learned so much from watching. I watch pretty much every video in its entirety, and I enjoy it. 🤷♂️
Not sure what kind of early jets you have access to via DCS but anything from the late 40s to mid 50s would be cool to see again on your channel
The jack of all trades even does the lawn mower. 4:50.
Craving some more WW1 VR content. That stuff makes my palms sweat just watching!
Dude! I saw an F18 crash just like that (5:07) at MCAS El Toro while eating lunch at the ops building. He was practicing for an airshow the next day.
He almost made it. Almost.
I’d love to see you do a F-22 vs SU-57 BVR. Seen you do only dogfights with them, but have not seen a BVR with them. Just curious as to how that would turn out.
GS finally someone who is fighting in the Hornet the way it should be fighting!!!
DCS Community at large--
"We love ya, GS, we really do. You have taught us all so much....but, bruh! Do you ever lose?"
GS: "I may not lose very often, but when I do it's because I took a missile to the face and died."
😹😅😂🤣🤟🤟🤟🤟
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Great vids. The new similar aircraft dog fights were great but have you thought about testing dog fights at different altitudes. For example fight a F-16 vs a F-15 but have a fight with no limit, a fight with a 10k minimum altitude fight and a 20k min altitude fight.
That is interesting but I doubt it would work. After 1 or two circles depending on how hard you’re pulling g’s, you’ll need to drop some altitude to gain speed. Just considering how most videos they end up on the deck rate fighting
I love the Fox-2 dogfights, they are my favorite.
5:05 imma just kiss the ground, one second
I loved the GS F18 tail slap end of round 2….
Hey GS, love your content. Just wanted to suggest a video of Su-30 MKI and Rafale Vs J-11B and J-16. Or maybe a Su-30 MKI Vs Rafale engagement.
I really wanna see you in an F15 fighting a J15 in a dogfight or BVR, but preferably a dogfight. I’m really interested to see how that would go
Also known as "How GS goes skiing with the F/A-18" LOL Good save :)
Dude you're so good at the simulator I bet you could shred people with the worst aircraft dcs has.
5:07 That was very, very spicy right there.
"Very important, this is a "t". Not to be mistaken for a "p", okay? as many people have done, okay"
Like to see the f-16 With thrust vectoring and f-18 with canards.
It would flat spin too often, the f16 doesn't work with thrust vectoring.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 seen it from air force records it was awesome ,did you see tape ? If you haven't seen a video try looking it up, it might change your mind .thanks
gotta love the engine howl on the F-18 though
I must say I would pick the f18 as well and for the same reason of just learning all this stuff to play/ fly this air craft and experience the fullest capabilities of the program.
I love watching a master at work. I have the FA-18 and F-16, but the A-10 keeps calling me back. I really like flying ground support. One of these days I'm going to need to start focusing on Air to Air training, because there are so many cool looking campaigns coming for my fighters.
Love that hornet scream!
So I doubt you will see this GS but I wanted to post it anyways. I ended up getting DCS because of your videos and how cool every one of your videos are after playing about 2 hours on the keyboard (and it being broken in the current version of dcs apparently) I got a flight stick and decided to try it that way and even then the frogfoot IMO just isnt fun to play and I was going to stop playing till I saw this video and you suggested the f-18 and I took the jump to get it and I have to say the F-18 is dramatically more fun, forgiving, reactive and overall just a more enjoyable plane to fly I have now been flying it for about 3 hours almost through the training missions for it and im so excited to actually get into the missions for it. Thank you.
Hi man, really glad you decided to give the hornet a chance, the su25 is good and all but its really just a plane to mess around with for a limited time to get familiar with the sim, and also to see if your PC can even run it. (there are people who live and die by the su25, but its not for everyone) but ya the hornet is a great starter aircraft and has huge potential for stuff for people to practice and learn. so, great purchase in terms of bang for your buck. Glad to have you in the community.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I really appreciate the response! I am really happy to have seen your videos and be part of your and dcs' community you are a great informative and positive representation!
@@chunkmen thank you very much I apprecaite the support of subs like yourself. All the best.
Answering to your quote at the beginning of the video: "A specialist is somebody who understands more and more about less and less. But a true master must be versed in many things." - Japanese proverb
new to DCS...are these computer flown adversary's or real people flying against you? Great channel.
When that Battlefield Theme kicks in! :D
9:26
That 9X is impressive tho.
I mean that is a 45 degree offset to the nose. And all while you still had downward mometum and the j16 was already in a climb.
And that was still a pretty safe shot.
GS with a little unintentional Blue Angels stuff there after round 2 😁
5:09 how GS picks up hitchhikers
Is it generally worth it to fire a fox 2 on each turn of the 1-circle? It seems like a lot of the time the WEZ is clearly jammed so it would be better to just save the missile
the problem is when u press the weapon release, its not that tight by the time the missile comes off the rail, its too late. its a fight with milliseconds margins. but you're right IF you can clearly tell its jammed then ya, hold the shot.
I’ve won a few 1 circle fights with the Hornet on the second turn (no shots on the first) with the 9X. I generally saved my energy in the first and cashed it all out in the second, and override the G-limiter to get that turn performance. Fox 2, and then it’s game over for the other jet. Not too reliable of a manoeuvre, but it is fun when you pull it off.
From the navy training manual on BFM: 1. Shooter within CNATRA Sidewinder Envelope.
2. Target in the HUD Field of View (FOV).
3. Wingman must not be in HUD FOV (shot deconfliction).
4. Pull the trigger (when steps 1, 2, and 3 met).
love the content which is your favourity plan out of DCS you like to fly
I've really been learning BFM and have got pretty decent at my 2 circle stuff.. 1 circle not so much, this makes me want to learn the hornet better.
I'm almost fully invest to get the Hornet for its multi role and the F-16 for its speed and agility. All though my virtual country air force doesn't have hornet's 😅
You can judge the F/A-18C by it looks but you can't judge it's capability to fight
5:09 if there had been a trash can sitting there you'd be dead meat
One of these days you will hit the deck! :D
Fight 1 reminded me of the downing of that Mi-24 Hind two days ago, when I remembered those famous GS words, “Shot in the face. Total disrespect.”
Where I work, we would have to file #2 as a "Near Accident Report"
"The hornet can literally do EVERYTHING"...
Viper:Am I a joke to you?
:P
buttttt can the viper do carrier opreations ?
When you fly the Mirage and merge with hornets you can almost always tell by the first turn how good they are.
Apparently your engines wanted to eskimo-kiss the ground, damn.
I've heard about target fixation. But never seen it till now!!
It's interesting how the Hornet and J-16 come to the same capability different ways. The Hornet is relatively underpowered but light and twitchy, the Flanker/J16 is thicc but OVERpowered and uses them canards.
I'll watch this in the morning, 8 hours later
Man that was close call. Almost used a F18 to build Sandcastles. Would of went down to be the expensive toy shovel ever.
looks like your flare release technique (and quantity) make a HUGE counter measure difference compared to the J-16's pilot
The difference between “t” and “p” has never been more important
AA-11 Archer "wow that thing can turn", Aim-9X "hold my beer"
Ha ha ha a little ground effect for number two LOL
You are a Great teacher
Where do you suggest we can go and learn general terms being used in this video and/or the USAF?
Are you using the HACQ ACM mode for this? Still learning the Hornet.
5:05 Can you imagine witnessing this fight then HEARING that ultra low altitude fly by ? 😳
Imagine being directly below those thrusters getting fried
My guy was putting out chaff to avoid the second fox 2 in the first round 💀💀💀
4:50 I was like "omg OMg OMG!!" hahaha