The ROG Ally Z1 Is A Waste
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0:00 - Intro
0:13 - Spec Comparison w/ Z1X
2:25 - Sponsor
4:30 - Benchmarks & Performance
7:23 - Battery Life
7:50 - Z1 vs Steam Deck
8:20 - Terrible Value of the Z1
10:07 - Conclusion
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The Z1 non extreme is great . Hades- 10 watts( 120fps) ,Apex legends -15 watts (80fps), Dbz fighters -10watts 35-50 fps.
@@lilbenate660fps on fortnite??
For $400 Z1 Rog Ally is actually pretty good. They just need to make that the permanent price to justify it.
Its not permanent? I thought it was
It’s 400 now
@@ESTENT-cu7qd but is that new pricing or just on sale for a while
@@akapeegly6463 yea idk but it has been on sale for awhile I got one and it’s pretty good especially for that price
Is there a difference between the 400$ and 700$ one? I'm trying to research it, and it doesn't sound like this guy is reliable. I just wanna know if I play RDR2 on either one 😅
The Z1 is a waste, But you think the PlayStation Portal is Amazing is wild.
Really makes you think...
Relevance?
Dude don't hate on people who can actually get a use out of the portal, you don't have to buy it
@Wilhelm07121 Except it's $200 for an accessory that can only stream games from only a PS5. The Z1 Asus ROG Ally at $400 isn't terrible, but it's not even better at gaming than an OG Steam Deck, much less the OLED model because the Z1 has only a third of the compute units of the Z1 Extreme and the 7840U which the Z1 Extreme is based on. And no, even RDNA 3 isn't enough to compete with the RDNA 2 GPU in the Steam Deck.
Personally, I would just get a Steam Deck OLED if you're looking for a device to play console or PC games. I'm pretty sure there's a way to stream PS5 games unofficially anyway on Steam OS.
And the ROG Ally has a number of QC issues including but not limited to the microSD card slot bricking those cards because of overheating them. Not to mention many games aren't really that playable without trackpads. I would only really consider handhelds that have trackpads; for now, that would be the Steam Deck, Steam Deck OLED, Lenovo Legion Go, or Ayaneo Kun. (And the Kun is very expensive.)
@@Wilhelm07121Not to mention Sony and Nintendo screw their fans just like Microsoft's Xbox division.
I have the original and it does everything I need it to do. if youre just trying to play pc games on a beautiful 7 inch handheld screen go with the orginal. These people who says its a waste is expecting a full gaming pc in a handheld. it isnt that big of a difference. I am averaging 100 fps playing mw3 with no lag. if youre going to spend 700 dollars on a handheld, you might as well just get a pc. I bought mine for 400 dollars and i play it more than my xbox series x. and its a beast for emulation too.
Can it play gta v well?
What do you mean original z1 or z1 extreme?
@@Hridyan2005 original on low settings
@@Hridyan2005 because I can’t afford the extreme but I own gta
@@Hridyan2005 z1 base model chip
Z1 Extreme model chip
IDK I have the Z1 non extreme and I'm having more trouble finding things I cant play. Works for me, so no complaints.
These dudes act like if something doesn't run at 120 fps then it's terrible
Same
@@Natastiana got mine 2 weeks ago and it plays everything I need it to play. Only game I couldn't get it to run is a online Madden game but other then that it runs everything perfectly I play insurgency sandstorm matches every day on my work break not plugged in and it runs perfectly no studder no nothing and when I'm home I boot up all my AAA games, no problems
@@CLOUTLANDTV I play Far Cry 6 right now - it works very smoothly (15 W mode). I saved some money on cheaper Rog Ally and really ... I don't need anything better. I use the console occasionally and it sticks.
Stuck at 10 fps on helldivers 2
At $400, the regular Z1 Ally is a huge win actually.
Lmao!
Especially when you consider that some of us will play, at most, emulated 8 and 16 bit games. For those even the cheaper model is mega overkill.
@@MizJunAmijust get a steam deck...
@@PieMK6Ryou can open box run emulators on Asus, on steam deck you can't, have to do annoying work around. I run switch emulated games on the Z1, steam deck just isn't it compared to this
@@kman909909 if you do the research, you can install all the emulators by going to a simple website link without even having to install windows... All you have to do is swap to desktop mode. Switch emulation works decent from what I've been seeing
Overtime the community will make that Nintendo Switch emulator, you love pirating, playable.
I'm getting an Ally Z1 for $339 at Best buy, definitely a steal. I don't care if an extreme exists for that price.
And you will just regret it extreme can play new triple A games like star field in benchmark steam deck is better vs the regular 1 so better go for extreme
@@jcc4543 Dude you can play starfield at 120fps on gfn who cares!
Got the z1 and been playing whatever I want including COD and everything else 😅 new to pc gaming and the last 2 months been a blast
Means you never played above 30fps games. Cant blame you.
😂
you can get the z1 at best buy for 400$. Absolutely a great deal
I bought the basic z1 for 399 dlls and it is incredible, I am very satisfied with what I paid for it, I liked it more than the steam deck
This helps me because i just ordered one and im scared it will be bad
I was gonna get the Z1 but I instead. aimed higher and get the Z1 Extreme Today I received it no regrets it performed so fast especially with Red Dead Redemption 2 at 60 fps
Yup, same. I love my Z1. I got it on sale for over half the retail price, cheaper than the steam Deck and I am loving its performance.
@@dankersaur You will not regret this I call quality price
@@Sonic_Storm The z1 extreme is incredible but somewhat expensive, I don't need that much since I have a PS5 at home
I don't know why you expected anything different, it has only 4 CUs.
The steam deck has 8 CUs so it can be clocked lower, that's why it can beat even the newer chip at efficiency.
The more CU's you have the more efficient the chip will generally be.
If you have a low number of CUs you have cranck the frequency to get the same performance.
lol wrong on every account not surprising from a valve corporate schill
@@cryengine_x What does this have to do with valve, they both use AMD chips and its how gpus work.
Please enlighten me how I'm wrong.
@@magikarp2063 fanboy
Tip, Steam Deck if you install Windows doesn't have hardware accelerated encoding so you can't record your screen at good fps.
Grabbed an open box Z1 for half the price of the Extreme. I have a desktop rig for performance this is a portable and I’m fine with the performance 🤷🏻♂️
It depends if you need windows or not but I picked up a Z1 model the day after Christmas from Best Buy for $399 brand new and it’s the best purchase of 2023 for me. I was able to play around 40 hours on it with Persona 5 Royal; Monster Hunter rise runs like a dream and other than that I’ll play an indie game or 3DS/Wii U games. If I want to play something super graphically demanding like starfield I’ll just play on my Xbox series X or my desktop. I was also able to run Lies of P pretty well on it so majority of games I’ve thrown at it perform great so if you can find this for $399 or less I would recommend it
How did it do on Persona 5 Royal?
@@ipaxton ran flawlessly, probably the best running game on the ROG Ally Z1
@@praisetyler Thx, I just got my Z1 delivered this morning but I will definitely download P5R once I finish setting it up.
Me and my wife just bought the Z1 for 320 dollars open box, it was a pain to set up since I think best buy reinstalled windows on it without any of the rog features, so I had to reset via the bios, but other than that we have been loving it for the price so far!
Same except Mines was setup correctly. Loving it for the price I paid!
@@KensoRugihow much u paid for yours ?
@@kyokushin1289 Bestbuy open box (new) around Christmas, like 350 with tax
I'm running my Z1 Extreme Ally in linux, I got rid of windows and installed Nobara linux and SteamOS. got a nice performance gain and it's averaging 20-30fps over my Steam Deck.
Brett! Have you thought of making a video with a minipc / steamdeck/ rog ally with a lapdock? Is that even possible?
Thanks for video, I wanted to see would it be worth it after the price drop
Picked it up for 319.99. Perfect price for what I’m using it for, older/lighter titles, and windows capability so that way if I’m out on a work trip and I need to work on a paper (working on a degree), I can take this with me alongside my work computer to work on stuff or game after hours
Have you used gamepass with it? If so hows the experience
@@lorddrifter7296 I have! It’s great, my only stipulation with that is that you need a good connection when playing. FPS multiplayer could be possible but unless you are right next to your router or you have access to really good WiFi, you’ll probably be behind the eight ball, but it seems to me that games that you can have a little bit of latency with, you could thoroughly enjoy honestly
The lenovo go mouse thing makes it have a competitive edge over other handhelds. (Still my steamdeck does more than enough for me, also proton>windows).
I got the Lenovo and the mouse is annoying to use I never use it
@@BrinkofinsanityDamm 😅
it gets less performance than all other 7040u devices i hope they fix it!
The deck track pads seem more practical. If you really want a mouse you can just plug one in.
I already carry my mouse with me everywhere I go, can't go back to non-ergo mice
I picked one up for $299 very satisfied since I mostly play retrogames
where did you get it from?
i have a 4090 and 7800x3d gaming PC that i will use for all my high end games- i only want to run emulators and basic games like slay the spire and such, so i bought a Z1 for that. its fine.
I'm confused because i dont want a PS5 in my pocket, i just want something i can run retro games. Do i need the xtreme for that?
From what I seen and read no the basic model is perfectly fine
how about using fsr 3 fg mod in this device, less tdp more fps.
I bought the z1 for 350 I don't care as long as it performs similarly to a steam deck. Which it does. I do have a better pc but that is when i want visual fidelity.
And 20 to 30 mins is quite ok in my opinion.
same
It's not similar to the Steam Deck. Some reviewers actually found the Z1 (not Extreme, the base model) performs WORSE than the Steam Deck's APU because of the the Z1 Extreme and 7840U's Radeon 780M has triple the compute units of the Z1's.
I would probably just get a refurbished Steam Deck or pay up for the OLED model at that price.
@@cameronbosch1213 do you have the ally z1 or steam deck
@@BilalMirza31656it performs worse than the steam deck while having a worse battery too.. do some research vs the two and you’ll see
Perform similarly ??! LOL
Steam Deck beats it easily when both are at 15w
Open box Z1 is 340 at Best Buy right now. Seems like a good buy for what you're getting. 700 for a hand held seems like more of a waste to me. Just get an Xbox series X for less or spend a little more and get a desktop. 🤷♂️
I think i picked up the last one lol
I have a question, im not really electronic savvy and i bought the the Z1 version online because it was affordable without realizing there was 2 versions. My question was, can the Z1 run games like genshin impact and star rail?
Yes but with new triple A games like starfield it will suck
If you want performance the Z1 is very lacking. BUT if you want a gaming handheld for streaming games from a full size rig, or cloud streaming games it's wonderfully capable and saves you money.
I have a Z1 and have no problems playing anything I want. From Steam to Xbox PC game pass.
So I bought the Z1 non-extreme for $340 (open box - Best Buy) and spent another $330 to upgrade it to 32GB RAM - and finally I spent $800 on a used XG Mobile eGPU
It destroys the Steam Deck and now with AMD Fluid Frames, I get near X1 Extreme numbers when portable, and a 10,000 time spy score when docked
There's nothing I can't run :)
Which Kontrol freeks fit on the analog sticks ?
both playstation and xbox
So the Z1 at $399 is a waste but the steam deck oled at $549 with 64gb is not? That’s wild you are just hating.
The base OLED model has 512GB of storage.
steam deck run games better than Z1 and also has OLED.
Also, steam deck OLED has at least 512GB storage, not 64GB
@@killermoon635 The ally has windows tho
@@killermoon635that’s bullshit the steam deck is laggy compared to the ally
@@siliconvalley9347 z1 (not extreme) perform worse than steam deck at same power. This was already proven by benchmarks
I got the z1 and i couldn't be happier i can play any game i want on it and haven't had any problems
Try running 2023 AAA titles and if you still say the same, go to and opthalmologist.
Until you want to play starfield.
@@jacksonrazorback5626 I feel like if you buy the base Z1 you're probably not looking to play starfield 💀
How is the experience of playing Fortnite on it?.(if u played it that is)
Sorry for being dumb, but I need to know... Is the ROG Ally RC71L-NH001W same as Rog Ally Z1 Extreme?
Yes.
@@aLm0e but why it has two names?
@@Ryan-zn4km Because It's model name, and the other is for customers. Almost every type of product has it. Like Samsung SM-S921BG is simply Samsung Galaxy S24, etc.
This is funny, that's exactly what happens to me a couple days ago when this was on sale. I got the regular Z1 and now I'm waiting to receive it so I can just return it lol. I guess I should have been a little bit more research first, huh?
Did u end up returning it for the z1 extreme?
Happened to me too. Bought the Z1, played it for 6 hours, and sent it back for the extreme.
They should remove the 120hz screen and make it 720/800p, remove RGB, back buttons, make a single board and solder all the components minus the ssd and perhaps 256gb ssd, so they can make p the z1 300 or less, ideally 250 to 200, if they did that the z1 will become the go to emulation handheld and will sell
So at $399 is the standard worth it over the Oled SD.
Maybe, but thats cuz the SD starts at $500 ish now for the 512 Oled
470 used z1 extreme with oem dock plug and case....im happy af
I got the Z1 ROG Ally for 400 bucks and I'm very happy with it. Everyone always says to avoid this one, but its 200 bucks less, and honestly for any big AAA games, I'd rather just play them on my desktop gaming PC to take advantage of all the graphics instead of a small screen. As mostly an emulation/indie/jrpg device, the Z1 is great.
Would have been smarter to go down to 4 cores on CPU and keep 6 or 8 graphics cores. Maybe this is for people who only dock it? It's just a weird product either way. The Steam Deck really made a very balanced APU out if the gate, and that's what was so upsetting to the market, only Microsoft and Sony has historically been able to broker a deal for a "Console" APU and never in a handheld. AMD (well more Intel really) always pair the reasonable/usable graphics with the top processor cores, which we don't really need when mobile.
I don't see why not buy the base version Ally if you're into streaming games from GFN or Xbox gamepass. I mean it does makes sense if you don't want to spend 6, 700 dollars. Plus it has windows 11 built into it meaning you can use it as a emulator as well. There's more good from the based version of the Ally than running games at medium settings at 40fps on the extreme.
Buying it on marketplace for $350 tommorow will update in repliws
So did you buy one?
Cap
Gaming on the FlexiSpot C7 ergonomic chair won't leave you feeling tired.
i got my z1 for 250 open box and bought a quest 3 for the extra 300 lol
Which is better between rog Ally z1 not extreme vs steam deck?
Steam Deck is faster than Ally Z1 when both are at 15w
@@killermoon635but most will have the handheld plugged in so.... there is that
@@kyokushin1289 isn't the plug while Play damaging the battery?
@@dato0016 no the same as for gaming laptops
@@kyokushin1289 ty mate
As someone who started playing single
Player games over multiplayer games, the z1 will be a better purchase. Still be able to play my games at a loss of performance I would get with the extreme version.
my ally z1 works great, best 400 i have ever spent
Got a z1e for 549$ and canceled the 430$ z1 because the savings are too low.
I just got the Ally on sale at Best buy for 550. It indeed was the extreme model.
If the z1 can stay around $350 - $400, then I think its existence is justified but for $600 its a waste. I got thr z1 extreme for $600 discounted.
I have a gaming PC, and also have the Ally Z1 Extreme. I play heavy games on PC anyway, so if the non-extreme version was marketed properly, and was always noticably cheaper, I may have got the non-extreme version myself.
It is 400 dollars rn
Same I'm on the fence between the regular z1 and the z1 extreme ....I currently have a gaming PC with RTX 4080 .....I would just take this handheld with me only when I'm on the go ....I have a gaming laptop as well but it's so darn heavy and a pain to to take out of my bag and find somewhere like a desk to game on
I don't know why everybody talking about the z1 like a bad deal,
Since i got my z1, nothing bad everything is fine i take it wherever i go, and once home it becomes my gaming pc, i have all emulators working fine, all games (steam, epic... Even cracked games works fine), Fifa is a delight...
Brief: it's everything i needed
But sucks with new triple a games unlike extreme..
I feel like they put this out so they wouldn't have to drop the price of the extreme.
I knew Kyle needed a chair. Hope he doesn't look so stiff going forward. 😂
can you play gta v or red dead redemption 2 on the z1
Yes, but you need to play rdr2 on low 720p. On z1e with charger 1080p medium.
Ok this might have saved my some from some frustration. The extreme it’s with the ~$100 extra.
Why they didn't do with 760m is mind boggling
The fact that it exists is a pro-consumer win.
the rog ally was a big disappointed, to finish configuring windows took more than 3 hours, i was like wtf...and the gaming benchmarks of course dont match the ones that you can see on youtube from reviewers
This guy talks like the Z1 is something you can find on AliExpress and it's total garbage. In Norway now there is a difference of 238 dollars between them and I decided that the simple version with Z1 is enough for me when I go in vacations. At home I have a decent desktop with rtx 3060 ti and I am convinced that most of us have an alternative to this console.
It sucks if you tried both extreme you will see the difference.
Well, 340 isn’t a bad price right?
With the current $200 difference, I'll go with graphic settings rather than performance, I can't even tell the difference anyway, and neither can lots of people 😅, but you think the ps portal was amazing 😅😅
The z1 still beat the steam deck I have both the z1 and steam deck oled there’s a lot of games the steam deck barely run 30fps on in 720 and the z1 will run them at 1080p at 30 to 45 so I don’t get your comparison there
Z1 is actually slower than steam deck according to benchmarks I have seen
@@killermoon635 I have both and the z1 out performs the steam deck in just about every game I play they are close a lower tdp
Absolutely right
Yep, I was about to get tricked and order this. But after checking reviews, I didn’t order it.
With FSR 3 implementation you will change your tune
44fps in 720p medium settings on elden ring ??? that's still playable on a screen this size
if it was stock price 400$ it would be a nice and competitive handheld. And for my steam use which is mostly indie games, i would happily get it if there's another sale at 400$
They still have it on sale at bestbuy
Im gonna use it for cloud gaming exclusively so its PERFECT for me. Def not a waste in several scenarios.
Z1 in the 300-350 range is a crazy deal
Yes, on paper, the z1extreme is close to a ps5 but not in real-world performance. Not even close, ps5 slaps this handheld around and every other handheld.
this is the same guy that promoted the playstation portal as revolutionary for like a week straight.
a regular z1 for 400usd be to bad
So for someone who want play pc games and triple A titles should buy extreme version it's maybe more expensive but it's 50% more performance
At 400$ the ROG Ally Z1 version doesn't seem like a bad value, still more powerful than the Steamdeck
if you watched the video, the steam deck actually out performed the z1 at 15 watts. 7:50
@@brandonchan5150that’s hardware. But the software makes the steamdeck. better.
@@brandonchan5150 But Z1 outperforms it at 30W... so no, Steamdeck isn't more powerful. Saying "Its more powerful than the Z1 if you handicap its wattage" isn't really the flex you think it is.
@@RyanSaotome No one said the SD is the more powerful device. He said it outperforms the Z1 Ally at 15W. And playing at 15W isn't a "handicap". Performance at low wattages is an important metric for people interested in maximizing battery life or minimizing thermals/fan noise
@@vikingsfan2218 He replied to a post from someone saying the Z1 is stronger than the Steam Deck. Obviously he's arguing its more powerful when its not, only in certain scenarios where you value battery over performance. And its great for the Steam Deck that its better at lower wattages, but nobody seriously debates performance based on low wattages for Computers. Benchmarks are always done at the maximum watts a computer can handle.
Say it like you mean it man. This isn't a news video, being open and unbiased is not engaging for a review. Your bias is what makes a video review more useful than a spec sheet. I don't need to know what other people might think. Just tell me what you think.
I brought the z1 was in my budget plus i have a deck also i like the deck better then rog but deck needs more power hense why i got a rog but we all hlhave our own opinion. Z1 works jjst as good as the extreme
Think of Z1 as a ps4. Z1 Extreme as a PS 5. Would u pay 300 bucks more to upgrade your PS4 to a PS5?
Once u put it like that hell yes !!!
Doode is proud of his fingernail paint
Well if it is a waste i challenge you to give it to me
Lmao This is my favorite comment 😂
@@SimplyBreana he is afraid to send..bro is scared
yea ik the price is high but how else they gonna get their money the steam deck cheaper because the sales from steam games
$399 is not bad... really if you want to find something around that price point as portable PC, the Z1 wont disappoint. Only you want to play 3D games
I am not agree with your opinion ❌because recently I bought ROG ally Extreme worth $650❤ and I have steam. Deck to but I mist say rog ally extreme is far far much batter thn Steam।... Really I love eog ally extreme it's just wowwwww.. And I am using it like an small PC..❤ what an awesome consoul I love it
He’s sayin it’s useless compared to the other option
Rog ally destroys the steam deck.😂😂
I have the Z1 and you sir are very wrong. It's an excellent device and I can do literally anything I want on it with no problems.
Finally! More Z1 vs Steam Deck content. The budget scene has been uncovered lately.
I got it for $299 and so much better than my laptop. You cant beat that.
lol this guy a clown 🤡 steam deck does not play many games
I got a Z1 extreme for 350 brand new box never open. Definitely was worth it.
Where?
Where
Where this has to be cap?
@@kyokushin1289extreme cap
Z1 is weaker than even the 7640 by a decent margin, I thought it would be an equal.
The Z1 extreme is a waste. Because for $200-$300 dollars more, you could get a full fledged 15" gaming laptop with an RTX 4050.
The games I play elder scrolls online and Fortnite I can get very good performance I bought my z1 at best buy open box for 299$ elder scrolls online medium 1080p at 15w 100fps drops some times around 80-90 when plug it at 30w turbo 100fps lock never drop below. Fortnite 1080p some things set to low and some to medium I can get 120fps at 30w turbo mode.
Your choice
Who even cares? It’s a handheld gaming PC. You shouldn’t even use it for current modern games. The original Z1 is literally more powerful than a PS4 and PS4 slim. If you’re using this to play Elden Ring or other heavy games then yea, it’s going to be bad. I use mine for older games like Dark Souls 1, indie horror games and lower ended games you can only get on steam. Calling it a waste is your opinion and all these other “PC Master race” individuals. 🤣
Sadly, I can never get a steamdeck as it doesn't ship to my region. ROG Ally it is
It must be the ultimate emulator handheld device
If I'm not a big gamer is it really a big deal? I just want to play fortnite with clear graphics.
Bro. The extreme performs 20% better in the real world when it should do more like 300%.. so where TF are you getting that real world performance is much worse than what the specs suggest?
You say its a waste when even the Z1 is outperforming the OLED steam deck, yes its oled put still 720p, when Z1 is 1080p & 120f & VRR, and now the PS PORTAL is amazing 😂
Z1 is slower than Steam deck
Z1 too weak to run games at native 1080p and high fps
@@killermoon635also new triple A games
For less than $400 I think it’s awesome
Interesting this product not because it suits everybody and is great but because it looks like it needs something better to make it valuable or more competitive
Oh that's easy, keep the Z1 chips but have Asus work with Ryzen and optimize them for the Ally as valve did with AMD for the steam deck but they didn't do that
Z1 ally’s worse model is similar to the steam deck. Then Buy the best Z1 ally because it’s leaps and bounds better then steam deck.