Have to say I love the testing methodology here, equalising the TDP on these laptops was a much better way to compare these chips than previous attempts.
you can say AMD last longer.. if you know what i mean... and yes, i too was blown away...way more efficient. so much for intel P and E core strategy...
AMD's approach here is really smart. Instead of pushing hard in the performance race, they took the time to ask themselves "What do laptop manufacturers and users actually want and need out of a laptop CPU?" and built that.
This is some true shit. Most gaming lab top users don’t want a desktop replacement. They want long lasting battery, good performance on the go, be good enough to casually game, lighter laptops, and a system that can stay quiet.
I remember with the 3000 series mobile chips when Intel was accusing AMD of "fabricating their testing numbers" because the chips perform worse when running on battery. And I was sitting there thinking, "isn't that what most people would want them to do?" If you really need that much performance, you can just plug into a wall. And if your task demands that much performance, the battery probably wouldn't have held up anyways.
Fantastic that you were able to try and quantify the “performance per watt” claims of each laptop. I hope somebody makes a multi platform benchmark so Apple and Windows computers can be compared at scale.
Pro tip: stop waiting for ltt to show you. It exists, used daily, available on the internet and in every manufacturer's engineering department. It's one of many papers used to bludgeon eachother with marketting on their boxes.
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Third party testing is the only thing that is going to be truly reliable without actually owning one of each to compare. The marketing BS from the manufacturers is subjective and is based on "testing" artificial scenarios designed to be as favourable as possible to their own products. It would be harder to quantify real world performance v.s. on paper without seeing it being tested IRL in like-for-like tests. Just look at the "45w" claim from AMD on a chip that boosts to almost double that. The efficiency lead v.s. Intel is there but nowhere near as much as they claim, at least for gaming laptops. The performance comparisons also gets further complicated by how Alder Lake and the apple M1 uses "efficiency cores" to manage lower power workloads whereas AMD has increased power efficiency across the board. So the kind of artificial tests that show AMD advantage for efficiency may or may show a lead for AMD IRL. What I would really be interested in is battery life across a range of use case scenarios pitting Alder Lake v.s. Ryzen 6000 v.s. Apple M1.
@@JimIBobIJones they did just here compare battery life of cpus... which don't have batteries unless it's a laptop... so it's really a laptop battery efficiency test...
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 they also tested the chips at different wattage variations, which is pretty eye opening and would be missed by going off on paper stats. AMD wins low tdp whilst Intel wins higher tdp; I.e. if you want a desktop replacement better off going intel, for something in a more compact/thin and light or an ultrabook AMD is the better bet. If you went off manufacturer stats alone you wouldn't find this nuance.
Judging from its performance, it should still be just under the 12900hk while consuming less power. Although this video did not cover single core performance, which I expect intel to still hold the lead. Edit : The first "it" refers to the 6900hs, the second refers to the 6980hx.
Edit: For everyone, who didn't get it. I'm talking about the relative performance gains for one chip with higher TDP. Intel did gain more performance with Tiger Lake relative to Ryzen 5000 and I expect this to happen with Alder Lake Rembrandt as well. This doesn't mean Rembrandt might look worse, it's just an aspect for different usages. Original: Don't expect too much. AMDs Zen ist well optimized for efficiency. So they will gain performance but not as much as they consume power. If they can gain well with setting higher TDP, the Zen3+ optimisations are even greater than I thought.
To be fair 11 h on Windows isn't really new you just had to research a lot. There were even 10th Gen Intel laptops achieving really good battery life. The remarkable thing here will be following things: Very good battery life should become more common with Rembrandt but it still needs to be realised by the manufacturers. If they don't engineer their products well... I don't know, why the former G14 couldn't reach even 6 h. I saw even over 10 h of battery life on the first G14 with Renoir. Anandtech back then found out, the dGPU haven't been deactivated. May be it happened here as well? The all around package by AMD just becomes better and better. I'm even curious, how USB4 implementation will be.
At first I was like "wait, are you really going to compare 17" laptop with 14"?" and then I was just blown away by how powerful that AMD is. In that body size. With that battery. Just wow! Can you compare it's productivity scores with M1 Pro/Max chips?
I compared 5900HS vs old M1 vs M1 max. Tested only in software that have native support for both M1 (without rosetta) and x86. Old M1 average 1.5 times slower than 5900HS and sometimes 2 times slower (100% multicore workload). M1 Max trading blows with 5900HS: lighter workload M1 Max faster and heavy workload 5900HS is faster. But M1 Max used less power everywhere compared to 5900HS. So 6900HS probably slightly faster than M1 Max but still using more power.
Jarrod's tech has a video on it. M1 wins some, 6900HS wins some. There is no contest in gaming as expected, but the M1 is still crazy efficient since it isn't an x86 chip.
The battery life is absurd. I was expecting around 10-15% longer. That jump was absurd. The RDNA is crazy good too. 85 FPS in a brand new title with intergrated graphics is unheard of.
It's absurd because the test is flawed. The 6900 has hardware accelerated AV1 decoding, the 5900 doesn't. They likely didn't check the CZcams video format, not all videos on CZcams are AV1, but the ones that are would ruin this test without a disclaimer..
@@AemondTomahawk Because it's literally the only thing that explains such an absurd result. The screen alone would use a lot of battery during the hours the test was running. It's not solely going to be determined by making the cpu a little bit more efficient. 2x gain in battery life watching youtube is a lot more than what a 2x more efficient cpu could provide because it is not the only component being used.
It is likely flawed, Dave2D review got a 20 minute jump from last year's G14 laptop to this year's model. LTT's battery benchmark is largely inconsistent and also not true to real life usage. Ultrabookreview has the most accurate laptop battery test on the internet which is congruent with Dave2D's results.
Wow, that is really efficient for that kind of performance. I'm looking forward to the ultra-compact 'NUC-clones' equipped with these R6000 chips. Give them a potent cooling solution and you'll have a monster in a box.
Mini PCs, not "NUC clones". I think the more generic term is better, rather than a specific brand one. These last years AMD has made its presence way bigger than Intel in the mini PC space thanks to the Ryzen APUs. The NUC brand is kinda dead (the new NUCs are no longer mini PCs, more like a bigger SFF ITX PC).
@@deadlyseven8008 it'll probably run like shit for the price. it'll also probably end up costing a lot on a non apple computer; but Apple isn't gonna sell them anyways
keep buying AMD until its dominate the market, then start buying whatever, Intel is still too dominant now. We need a vibrant and competitive market. EVERY LITTLE BIT helps.
@@mehuljain5916 I think it'll be just like what's described in the video. If you want a beast gaming laptop with discrete GPU (basically a desktop replacement) and price is not an issue, go Intel. Anything else, go AMD. At least until Zen 4 is released, then you'll need to wait.
I love the chill presenting style in this video. The high-energy, edit-heavy style of some of the other videos is cool too, but sometimes a nice relaxed review hits really good, y'know?
It's so cool to see they really give Intel something to think about. So many years there was just no other Option then Intel because AMD was so far behind (after athlon times). Now it's fair game and every consumer benefits from it. Edit: damn never had so many likes. Thanks :D
Hot take it was better when Intel was on top and AMD was basically dead. Now every generation leaves the past one in the dust making the jump huge. What were major complaints with all the newest games this past year oh yeah performance. But when Intel sold i7s as 4 cores no games had performance issues as the major complaint. The tight core count stacks gave consumers better options.
I think they're stuck with Thunderbolt, but I don't see any issues with that since it's mostly required for external GPUs only and USB 4 supports PCIe tunneling anyway.
My thoughts on rDNA2 APUs is that we could possibly see the end of the need for low budget GPUs since they may not be needed. Maybe that's why AMD put such little effort into the 6500XT?
There's a lot of natural advantages from having the GPU and CPU physically close together. The physical distance between the CPU and GPU has significant effect to latency and to bandwidth with how fast computers run nowadays. And to power and thus heat. Which has also become the major limiting factor. Minimizing those allows you to run more and faster. The main reason APUs have sucked before is that it was all one die. It required an entire dedicated production line of large dies with an entire CPU and GPU integrated together them. That absolutely sucks for yields and it has to be made cheap and generic to sell enough to justify that investment. Chiplets have completely changed that. You can now mass produce the same seperate CPU dies and GPU dies and paste them together as desired. This is great for yields because smaller dies survive quadratically more. Which means APUs can be cheaper per performance. And have a realistically powered GPU since you don't need to worry about if the massive size of the GPU will impact yield of the entire APU. You can instead focus on improving your few dedicated GPU lines you bin from and utilize those.
nah, low budget cpu's will always help performance a lot. unless they start making dedicated vram sticks and putting them on motherboards, integrated graphics will always be held back by having to share regular old ram which is much slower, and by the fact that integrated graphics share a cooling solution with the cpu. a dedicated gpu has its own cooling and faster ram type. if you take a processor with integrated graphics and compare it with the same cpu and a gpu equivalent of those integrated graphics, the setup with the dedicated gpu will always win by a significant margin.
@@danieloberhofer9035 problem is they made them bad for both mining.... And gaming. At least the RTX3050 can game decently, while it is still pretty bad at mining (not as bad as 6500XT) by design.
Oh my. That level of power efficiency makes me wonder what'll be in store for the Ryzen 7000 series. (Edit: yes, I know the 7000 series will be made for desktop platforms)
Impressive gaming numbers from integrated graphics. Love my gaming, and I'm constantly on the go away from a wall socket. Steam Deck was going to be my gaming saviour... Might have to cancel reservation and get new AMD Radeon laptop.
The fact that ryzen laptop have a lot smaller footprint than intel while maintaining close performance say alot about AMD performance. Imagine if AMD laptop have the same wattage and cooling as intel one
@@otavio30 That depends more on the cooling solution than the power as CPUs will turn almost 100% of the power draw into heat (valid to most electronics).
Performance doesn't scale linearly with increasing power over the efficient range, which means you would be wasting watts for little gains in performance.
Don't you love it when there is finally some competition again in the cpu space! Now AMD, start making some low end chips again as well, instead of just the high end.
already happy with AMD recently with the 5000 series, loving my 5800x, and considering they relented and allowed for bio updates on old boards sold it for me, be consumer friendly and the consumers will notice
With the 5000 series compatible with b350 boards and even some a320. I feel better about eventually replacing my ryzen 3 3100 on my b450 to an r9 5950x. Haha :D
Kind of funny, I thought the E-cores would be a gimmick on desktops and only really interesting for laptops. Well... As of now. It is kind of the other way around.
i do think that cpu manufacturers should be aiming to build CPU's that are extrememly efficient and fast rather that intel's method of just throwing wattage at it
Agreed. AMD was in a similar situation about 8 years ago, but the market was very different then: Intel was in use by Apple, AMD was struggling with process, and they needed a CEO who understood the tech differently. AMD has Lisa Su, and Intel is under a state of self-reflection. But they don't want to lose a few years; they'll want to immediately strike back. As x86-64 users, we all win.
@@Malc180s Apple doesn't make general purpose computers. They make general purpose macs. Macs are great and they have fantastic engineering, with the catch that they pretty much must run MacOS and are basically unrepairable. Apple is probably worse than nVidia when it comes to documentation and support of non-Apple operating systems. But if one enjoys the Mac experience and the ecosystem, then there's nothing wrong with using a computer with the most widely installed and supported Unix-inspired OS in history.
@@frank7353 perhaps. But I read laptop mag review. He says great battery life but poor screen brightness. Then The Verge says the exact opposite. They praise the screen but wasn't impressed by battery life. I don't get it.
@@samal90 almost as if everyone got a limited time with laptop. 1 day is not enough to get a proper review of any laptop! And most of the the reviewers have no clue of what they're doing. All they know is mac good windows bad. I don't think many do any gaming other than for purpose of benchmarks.
@@frank7353 absolutely agree, I’ve seen countless estimates from other websites putting the 2021 battery life for video playback at 8-10 hours. There is no way that ltt should be getting half of that. There is definitely something wrong with their video playback test. Edit: I myself get 7-8 hours on 80% battery with normal usage including video playback, unless Linus is running it at like 60% battery or some seriously messed up setting there is no way it should be getting only 5 hours.
That increase in battery in just ONE gen for AMD is insane. I will bear this in mind. I own an Acer Swift 4700u laptop and looking at this one with much desire now.
Just an FYI. The increase is only THAT huge when streaming online video. The MASSIVE gains here are from the new AV1 video codec hardware decoder built into the new RDNA 2 iGPU. This let's video streaming sites that use AV1 (which is most of them & increasingly more everyday) like CZcams & Netflix run literally TWICE AS POWER EFFICIENT on Ryzen 6000 as Ryzen 5000. For everything BUT newly hardware accelerated workloads like said AV1 video playback though, the battery life gains are more like ≈+10-25% instead of the bonkers +100% seen here.
I have been waiting for laptops with these APUs to come out since the CES announcements. With RDNA2 the iGPU is finally at a point where a dedicated gfx chip can be omitted ant it's still viable to game on it. I hope these CPUs will be put in some affordable laptops (= like 6-700 EUR).
@@lyianx Imagine actually using your ultrabook laptops like gaming consoles with more than 3 hours of battery life while running something like Doom Eternal
@@Berecutecu AMD has talked about their CPU vs GPU development cycle. The dies for the CPUs are designed far in advance of any GPU changes, which is one of the reasons it took so long for them to change from VEGA to RDNA2. The RDNA3 GPUs will be good I'm sure but they likely won't be in the APU designs for a year or two.
@@smudgeone I hear you, some places are saying that RDNA 3 Mobile will be released 2023 Q1 so maybe we see the APU sooner than we expect. Source: czcams.com/video/AyNbXotJcs0/video.html
Very interesting video but I wish there was more testing. Cinebench R23 and one game isn't enough but I guess he did only have it for a day. Great initial findings!
@@AlFasGD Yeah this video seemed oddly short with not much information really. Also, I would love to see what their battery life test was (I don't think he mentioned it did he?). Dave2D had a very different review with less praise but he still liked it.
Those results across the power space are fascinating, I’d love to see something similar including Apple’s CPUs, plus exploring across Intel’s product space.
Pro-tip. Get the RX 6700S model unless "maximum performance at ANY COST!" is absolutely CRITICAL for you, as it's just a NO-BRAINER level choice with it being DRAMATICALLY better value than the 6800S!!! This is because it's shockingly only ≈-5-15% slower than the flagship, but for a SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper price! This is also why I SERIOUSLY cannot even FATHOM why THAT wasn't the model Asus seeded to reviewers!... The R9 + 32GB + 6800S w/ AniMe Matrix display review model got absolutely RAILED ON for being way more expensive than previous G14's, while the R7 + 16GB + 6700S + normal display model was basically JUST AS FAST as the top spec one in real world user experience but for a much, MUCH lower & more similar to last-gen price!!!
@@Cooe. You're probably right! I would like a 6700S model WITH 32Gigs RAM though. And I was hoping for a suitable AniMe-less model in Europe, but can't find one yet. Guess they're really pushing that AniMe lid here.
I find it funny how the CEO of Intel always makes fun of AMD and nVidia but for some odd reason their new tech stomps all over Intel's 2 month old products.
The high end is going to be really interesting to see. I'm hoping that the low end APUs are actually released to the public. I would love to get a quiet, low profile machine built one of these years, and the 5300G would have been the way to go if I could actually use it in my own machine. I'll have to stick with my existing 1600X and ten year old graphics card for the time being.
Integrated graphics are close to start replacing low cost GPUS. In the next years we are gonna see many more companies competing in that front especially for mid price laptops!
The better the iGPUs, the cheaper low budget builds will be, i've had the idea of building cheap budget gaming machines with them for lan parties, this is just getting better and better. Also noone plays demanding games for lan parties, so it's more than enough, and power consumption is also very nice, which would be a problem with CPUs + GPUs.
I was in the market for one computer to do it all, I'd buy a 14" AMD gaming laptop. It gets solid gaming performance while also being small and efficient enough to work as an every day carry laptop.
Great review, exactly the info I was looking for, so tired of endless charts reconfirming a point made early(gamers nexus /hardware unboxed) and a look at what laptops were intended for. Anyone looking for top performance won't be buying a laptop, and most people buying laptops are concerned with portability and battery life. Any true enthusiast who can afford it will have both, a killer PC and a light long life laptop, in an ideal world!
I can confirm. Intel's chips are limited by iGPU. Especially in laptops with 10th gen or older, the iGPU is holding back most of what you'll be doing. That's why I'm so fond of the latest from AMD. Their iGPUs are out of this world.
I have an 8th or 9th gen Intel laptop. The IGPU isn't that bad I can play plenty of older games on it. Essentially 2011 and before, all games I really want to replay.
@@Gravy1255 Well by comparison to something like this which can play modern games at 1080p 60fps that is fairly bad, a mid-tier card from a decade ago like the Radeon 7850 could beat an 8/9 gen iGPU, I could still play most modern games around 2018 on low settings with that and from what was shown here RDNA 2 is pretty competitive with an RX 570 which is just fine for 1080p gaming.
The funny thing is that the same guy who designed the integrated GPUs for AMD, did the same after for Intel(Intel XE), and yet AMD is still leaping over them without him now, which is impressive.
This is why I still would rather AMD, yeah, intel does have the max 100% load performance crown, but really almost no one uses CPU's like that, when gaming I'm always GPU bound so I'd rather something more efficient at a lower TDP.
cant agree more and that igp is dope even if you have a dedicated gpu, that igp will be perfect for lightweight games. I currently use my rtx3070 dedicated gpu for mining mostly and jam SWTOR, dota 2 etc on the vega 8 gpu and it usually runs over 100 fps.
the IGPU on the AMD ryzen is gonna be very big speedup in emulation. I really want to see its performance in RPCS3. Its too bad intel removed AVX-512 on 12th gen mobile since intel laptops could have been the superior emulation machines.
4:20, could you test this with a Ryzen U processor when it comes out? It would be good to know that someone can buy a Ryzen H laptop but limit the power for times they need battery life without hurting performance. Edit: Also use frame limiters when testing battery life when gaming? Edit 2: What happens to Ryzen 5000 when you do that TDP Limiting with it.
AMD totally dominated after the first ryzen. Pricing is awesome and the performance can nearly, and sometimes do, beat Intel. That's why i'm on ryzen since the 3700x. With 5800x, an 4* (don't know exactly what) and now an 5900hx in Razer.
@@Steellmor yep that’s true glad someone’s finally brought it up that amd massively charges for their products like for example 5600x at 300$ is over 100 more than the 11400f
@@supersop1367 although i agree that 300 for a 6 core is crazy. Amd are actually selling every single chip they produce at these save insane prices. People are willing to pay these prices. The situation is similar to what we see in gpus
@@supersop1367 I mean yeah, but I wasn't even talking about that,but in general - desktops got much more expensive,laptops for more than $2k?? Mobos got double in price, AMD stopped making budget CPUs since ryzen 3000 series. No Ryzen 3,no Athlons. Well at least we have COMPETITION. Lol.
wow. this batterlife improvement is insane. I only thought it would be nice to get more decoders and hdmi 2.1 but i‘m mindblown what ryzen 6000 mobile is capable of 😮. But intel also for sure did a big step forward with 12000mobile.
Yup! In particular, the brand new hardware AV1 decoder (what was being taken advantage of in this CZcams playback battery life test) is absolutely NO FUCKING JOKE in a world where most of the major video hosting platforms (CZcams, Netflix, etc...) are switching to AV1 basically SOLELY to avoid the MPEG Group's crazy HEVC licensing fees!!! As in, like GAWT DAYUM!!! O___O
No, its optimisation and efficency at peak, hell, i would say that this chip outperforms the regular i5 rocking, gtx1060 or rx570 gaming desktops at a fraction of heat dissipation and power draw
@@kaleidodeer I reckon the 1060 is comparable in performance. 1080p in Forza you'd get about 80 fps with the 1060. That's not much different to the iGPU in the video. It's only one game too. More reviews needed!
@@billcar50 if so how can that same company release a dedicated GPU which performs close to GTX 1660 ( am talking about Rx 6500 xt ) & sell for 200$? In my area it's more like 300$ btw.
@@billcar50 If your getting 80 fps with the 1060 then it's a CPU problem not gpu problem. In this video this is the low preset. The 1060 can push 120-130+. I'm really not sure how you even came to such conclusions.
With this much efficiency right now, one day they might be able to make Threadripper APUs. Imagine the performance of a 32C/64T CPU + iGPU capable of performing as well as today's top of the line dGPU, all under a 280W TDP
In battery life it only had a lead compared to last years laptop because they didn't compare it to Intel. And btw intel also got a big battery life improvement
@@propersod2390 I have a feeling they didn't do a battery life comparison because, given the 2 laptops were of obviously different size, the size of the batteries were probably different as well. It still woulda been nice to see some kind of comparison with a giant asterisk attached.
@@ranzera I don't know if they already did a review on the new intel gen for battery life, but a comparison to old AMD is good enough. I have a last gen Zephyrus with the AMD 5900HS and seeing the massive improvement over what I now have, I want it, although I know it's stupid. My current laptop lasts me longer than any laptop I've had before and knowing that AMD is improving upon that generation by generation gives me hope that one day we will actually have laptops that last a full day, no matter the task (With decent performance)
CZcams playback time so much better, probably because it's the first iGPU that can decode VP9 and AV1. Finally a laptop that can decode video efficiently, been waiting for years.
With energy prices rising (I pay 2,3 times the price compared to a few months ago now) the price difference between AMD and Intel CPU's also becomes massive. Especially if you have a desktop.
A CPU that runs at 100W nonstop will need 40 hours to burn the same energy as an AC that runs at 1000W nonstop for 4 hours. Also monitors, RAM, motherboard, storage, etc. dont use energy from the shadow realm. Monitors alone can do more than 30W.
I live in Finland and I need electric heating for like 98% of the time. Extra heat from computer reduces the amount of power that my heating system needs. Also I use sauna unit for an hour per day. 100W CPU would have to go at full tilt for two days to use the same amount of power. Energy prices are crazy though. In a pretty short amount of time it went from 0.03€/kWH to 0.07€/kWh
@@suntzu1409 But (where I live) I only need to put on the AC for a couple of hours per day 4-6 weeks a year vs having my PC on a couple of hours per day every day of the year on average (I work from home 50% off the time). Other hardware also uses a lot of power (GPU's for example), monitors etc. But I light up my entire home for less Watt then I power my CPU. It just all adds up in the end. And if every manufacturer of appliances etc went crazy with power usage I simply could not pay my electric bill anymore.
@@kimnice Yeah I understand when you compare a CPU next to a big unit it is not much of power usage. The prices are that crazy there as well? There no more gas in Finland? My girlfriend and I am going to buy my father in law's home and want to get rid of gas. I was planning to go ham with isolation, get solar panels and get a heat pump instead of a boiler.
It's awesome that IGPUs are actually becoming good. I haven't heard much about IrisXE, but I know that Intel's previous integrated graphics could barely even run games. Heck, mobile games like Genshin Impact would crash because of the IGPU. Hopefully this new tech trickles down to extreme budget gamers.
Mobile XE is really nothing to get excited about. I bought a laptop a couple months ago with an i5 1135G7 with IrisXE and it's nearly incapable of even light gaming.... It might be fine for older games, but it struggles to even run Roblox with the graphics slider turned all the way down....
@@FlakiCiociGosi I don't see an i3 7100U playing ME:Andromeda at 2560x1440....especially when my i3 7130U struggles to run simple Roblox games.....and they both have the same iGPU..
@@Daeyae Ummm, I did. It depends on your country, for example, my country (the Netherlands) provides interest free loans for students so they can afford housing and all their study needs. I didn't need that because I got lucky and earned some side money, but a lot of Dutch students can afford pretty expensive laptops, they just take 1 and it lasts them the next 5 years so it's a good investment for a student. (I have last gen g14 and it's amazing as fuck)
@@Daeyae Dutch students that waste other peoples tax dollars to buy a gaming laptop*** I took out student loans too, I just didn't treat my neighbour with disdain and use their tax money for a fucking gaming laptop lmao
@@MN-jw7mm Ummm, it's not tax dollars mate. It's literally a loan, you HAVE to pay it back in a certain amount of time. It will be getting reworked in the coming years tho, as they finally realized that putting every most students into massive debt was not a good idea. Also, I have zero student debt as I never took a loan, which I easily could have but it's just dumb.
@@castortoutnu not really. When the 6900HS is limited to 40W (the M1 Pro's typical power under load), it's only ~10% slower in Cinebench and ~25% slower in Geekbench. Which is honestly fantastic given the M1 is on 5nm and costs substantially more to manufacture.
Ooh, I’m really curious to see a direct comparison with what the Steam Deck could’ve been with Zen 3+ cores. Like set the exact same TDP, same number of cores, and same GPU, see how much more performance 6000 series get. Similarly, match the performance together, like 60FPS in a certain game, and see how many more hours per MaH the new CPUs get.
Probably would attach both to an external display, and have them only output to an external display, and maybe attach a controller to the laptop, to try and only compare the CPUs. As far as I can tell, the Steam Deck is the only mobile CPU with Zen 2 cores and RDNA2 graphics that can run whatever you want on it.
Zen 3 is only a small bump vs Zen 2 (just look at 5500u vs 5600u benchmarks). So not a huge gain that would probably make the chip more expensive. But 3+ would have nicely improved battery life. I'm sure the Steam Deck is going to constantly get chip improvements yearly. It's not a game console.
I've met plenty who want a desktop replacement. They want a laptop to bring around for work, but also for games or editing. So intel still has its uses. But I'd personally go for AMD here, I have a powerful desktop, but if I'm traveling I'd still want something to play some games on, and I'm sure that laptop could do that.
An interesting point was brought up during the Core 2 Duo days - a chip might consume more power to do something, but takes less time to do it meaning less power was consumed overall
I love the energy efficiency. In my opinion this will be one of the most important things in the future, even on desktop PC. The time of 700+W PCs will hopefully be over soon.
I personally think that the days of 700W+ pcs will only end with the advent of KW+ PCs but I do agree with the hope that we can get better “I don’t operate my own personal nuclear reactor” parts
4:36 Wrong. Remember that most power in gaming laptop come to gpu, not cpu, which is left with like 40W, so even in gaming laptops Ryzen will be better(might depend on type of game).
This is exactly why I built my gaming desktop on the i9-12900K and my laptop will be AMD. No need to pick sides or compromise in my opinion. Snag the one that works best for the use case 😜
I've been waiting for the 2022 g14 to upgrade. I might not end up getting it, but if I go high end, I want a camera (so I need a 2022 laptop), and low end, I want AMD 6000 (so I need a 2022 laptop).
The R7 + 16GB + RX 6700S w/o the stupid AniMe Matrix display model of the 2022 G14 is still pretty damn good value!!! The 6700S in particular is only -≈5-15% slower than the flagship 6800S but saves you a TON of $$$! And that's even MORE true with the 8c/16t Ryzen 7 vs the also 8c/16t but just w/ slightly higher clocks Ryzen 9 comparison! It's only the top spec models w/ that silly display that have the ridiculously stupid pricing this generation. Which is also why I can't understand at ALL why Asus used a 100% top spec config (inc. the stupid $500 AniMe Matrix) for the review model...
Alex Clarke & Lois is exceptionally great at disseminating information, his rhythm at delivering the scripted material is fluid and not forced. Sometimes poor Linus, probably from over work, we saw the video with Laser James trying to schedule shoots for him, he can sometimes come off as tired and it's a bit forced. But whether it's tech unboxing, building, car reviewing, or reviewing, Alex makes it look not only easy but fun. Not to shove more on to his plate, but I always enjoy Alex delivering the Tech News, and LTT general material.
Rembrandt’s usage of shadows was particularly stunning for the age and is one of the great painters of the Dutch Golden Age. He lived a very tragic life, losing children and his partner before his early death.
Just bought a 12k series cause I needed to replace my mobo that was dying and it was the best option price to performance at the time. Not even mad that the 6k series is this amazing, definitely going to rule the laptop sector, amd knocked it out of the park on this one.
Same, I’m more of an AMD guy just because I love a good underdog story and this is the best one I’ve ever seen! From the brink of bankruptcy to industry leading performance in less than four years… Mad props to the brilliant leadership team and engineers. As always competition is good for the consumer. We all benefit by having both companies push each-other to the top of their game!
This laptop was already reviewed by other outlets and battery life is just okayish. Gaming battery life is abysmal but that's to be expected. LTT really cherry picked their battery life benchmark here.
If you think about amd's long-term road map, it makes more sense now that they didn't overpower the original zen1 on 2017. They instead decided to implement their product stack as a less power hungry design, and as a result, their coolers were more effective and motherboard design was a lot easier etc, they bet that the platform would outlast Intel. They also did show their hand by going all out on Ryzen 1000 series, which would have prompted Intel to go onto sicko mode. By flying under the radar until platform, memory, and software support caught up to them, they were then poised to attack with the heavier hitting 2nd and 3rd gen Ryzen, pumping up power consumption and clock speeds to rival Intel's panicked responses. All of this being said, competition is good for the market, but AMD executed their return rather smartly and is now here to stay.
@@gmdrandom6287 yes. 1 step in right direction but hundreds of steps left. A CPU with x86 architecture cannot compete with an ARM CPU in terms of performance per watt. Still AMD is doing great in x86 department
@@Matchleader HAHAHAHAHA lol. The 14 inch M1 Max finds it tough to match my RTX 3070 powered G15 with Ryzen *5000*, and you're saying that efficiency won't be matched?! I can stretch my system to 10+ hours of real world usage on a charge and my neighbour's M1 Max dies in 8 hours (14 inch)
@@arjunsanghi funny you compare 14 inch version which has a small battery compared to 16 inch. Also about power, your laptop does more performance while draining 4 times more power. Unplug both laptops and do benchmarks. Your laptop performance while unplugged will drop to shit
I'm searching for a laptop, that in the first place has a long battery life (for work) and in second place can game a bit. Seems with the new AMD chips I no longer have to worry that it can do both.
The battery life test is bullshit, the 6900 has a hardware decoder for av1, and the 5900 doesn't. They must've used a CZcams video that was encoded in av1 for the test which reallly skewed the results. They should of tested both formats, because hardware decoding is much faster the comparison isn't fair.
@@trignite Yeah, totally, a laptop holding out doing 11hrs, doing something that is common for people do, isn't a fair comparison for a laptop that can't do that running stalls constantly across the cpu...
@@rya3190 It's like you didn't even read my comment. They compared an AV1 video when around 80% of youtube isn't av1 content. They didn't put a disclaimer either. Also the comparison implies that the battery usage gain is across the board with multiple tasks but it's literally only that much of a difference because its hardware decoding vs software decoding. It's like comparing two people jumping out of a plane and voting on who lands safer without mentioning one of them wasn't wearing a parachute.
@trignite You didn't read my comment very well either...the fact that a laptop can run longer doing a task (albeit a simple one) for 11hrs is impressive before you consider that it can game. I'm also led to believe you don't know what a cpu stall is... To top that off, I'm surprised you were able to decipher the video they used (if not a stream of videos), despite it not played or described by the video. I'll admit I'm not as knowledgeable about differences between hardware and software, but would that really cut in half the power usage?
Wait a minute. There is an error in this video! The Ryzen 9 6900HS actually has a 35W TDP while the 6900HX and 6980HX have a 45W TDP. That means these results are even more impressive for AMD than they are getting credit for.
@@MeeniMyniMo It only hits ≈75W (not 80W, learn how to read a damn graph... 🤦♂️) after ≈6min of full 100% CPU load (which is enough time for the VAST majority of CPU workloads to fully complete). Before that it's running at just 65W! And power consumption ≠ TDP... For the love of God, learn how modern boosting algorithms work!... -_- ... What the R9 6900HS' 35W TDP rating ACTUALLY MEANS is that it'll fit into DRAMATICALLY smaller systems w/ equally dramatically smaller cooling without its performance falling right off a damn cliff just like happens to Intel's Alder Lake chip, & as Alex's testing LITERALLY SHOWED! But if you give ANY MODERN CPU more power & cooling capacity than it absolutely MUST HAVE to work at spec though (likely ≈45W in Ryzen 6000HS' case, ≈60W for the 6000H parts, & ≈80W for Alder Lake-H), the chip can & WILL take advantage of it by using more power to boost higher & for longer! THAT'S TOTALLY NORMAL!!!
Have to say I love the testing methodology here, equalising the TDP on these laptops was a much better way to compare these chips than previous attempts.
How do Windows Titles run on Mobile, mobile graphics?
run tests?
I need Wall Power Now! never been any issue, Watt?
Funny how they tried to give Intel an equal playing field but Intel failed horribly. Imagine if they didn't the result would be so bad for Intel.
@@topV85 Most likely that battery sizes were different. The laptops were different sizes, so comparing battery life wouldn't have been fair.
Nah, should be at highest settings
@@najeebshah. That doesn't reflect typical use so it's actually not very useful
I was like "ok, that CPUs numbers are nice...". And then you showed battery life, and GPU performance... GOD DAMN! Kudos AMD!
you can say AMD last longer.. if you know what i mean...
and yes, i too was blown away...way more efficient. so much for intel P and E core strategy...
@@eisenklad shit architecture is still shit even if it's split into 2 types
@@theairaccumulator7144 10nm vs 6 btw
@@propersod2390 they renamed it to "Intel 7" a while ago. No measurement of either process node is 6 or 10 nm anways. It's all just marketing.
@@propersod2390 Intel 10 is roughly the same real sizes as TSMC 7/6
I love how you're using the shop as a set, with the lighting and everything. A great alternative to the other sets!
it's really fitting for Alex
@@AFlyingSwive that's true 🙂
@Juan Ussher agreed. The set choice was good, plus the lighting was a good also
I'm guessing they ran out of sets 😂
But why is he looking at the camera like he's peeing himself rn? 😂
AMD's approach here is really smart. Instead of pushing hard in the performance race, they took the time to ask themselves "What do laptop manufacturers and users actually want and need out of a laptop CPU?" and built that.
Ya and there will also be a more performant version of the 6900 which might give intel a run for its money in raw performance
It took years to get there, though. Five years ago, a battery-life-optimized laptop was dirt slow.
This is some true shit. Most gaming lab top users don’t want a desktop replacement. They want long lasting battery, good performance on the go, be good enough to casually game, lighter laptops, and a system that can stay quiet.
TSMC built it. AMD designed it.
I remember with the 3000 series mobile chips when Intel was accusing AMD of "fabricating their testing numbers" because the chips perform worse when running on battery. And I was sitting there thinking, "isn't that what most people would want them to do?" If you really need that much performance, you can just plug into a wall. And if your task demands that much performance, the battery probably wouldn't have held up anyways.
Fantastic that you were able to try and quantify the “performance per watt” claims of each laptop. I hope somebody makes a multi platform benchmark so Apple and Windows computers can be compared at scale.
Pro tip: stop waiting for ltt to show you.
It exists, used daily, available on the internet and in every manufacturer's engineering department. It's one of many papers used to bludgeon eachother with marketting on their boxes.
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Third party testing is the only thing that is going to be truly reliable without actually owning one of each to compare. The marketing BS from the manufacturers is subjective and is based on "testing" artificial scenarios designed to be as favourable as possible to their own products.
It would be harder to quantify real world performance v.s. on paper without seeing it being tested IRL in like-for-like tests. Just look at the "45w" claim from AMD on a chip that boosts to almost double that. The efficiency lead v.s. Intel is there but nowhere near as much as they claim, at least for gaming laptops.
The performance comparisons also gets further complicated by how Alder Lake and the apple M1 uses "efficiency cores" to manage lower power workloads whereas AMD has increased power efficiency across the board. So the kind of artificial tests that show AMD advantage for efficiency may or may show a lead for AMD IRL.
What I would really be interested in is battery life across a range of use case scenarios pitting Alder Lake v.s. Ryzen 6000 v.s. Apple M1.
@@JimIBobIJones that's all very good. And you're expecting this from ltt?
@@JimIBobIJones they did just here compare battery life of cpus... which don't have batteries unless it's a laptop... so it's really a laptop battery efficiency test...
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 they also tested the chips at different wattage variations, which is pretty eye opening and would be missed by going off on paper stats.
AMD wins low tdp whilst Intel wins higher tdp; I.e. if you want a desktop replacement better off going intel, for something in a more compact/thin and light or an ultrabook AMD is the better bet.
If you went off manufacturer stats alone you wouldn't find this nuance.
Reminder: 6900HS is not AMDs best 6000 mobile APU. That'll be the 6980HX, found in bigger laptops
Judging from its performance, it should still be just under the 12900hk while consuming less power. Although this video did not cover single core performance, which I expect intel to still hold the lead.
Edit : The first "it" refers to the 6900hs, the second refers to the 6980hx.
Edit: For everyone, who didn't get it. I'm talking about the relative performance gains for one chip with higher TDP. Intel did gain more performance with Tiger Lake relative to Ryzen 5000 and I expect this to happen with Alder Lake Rembrandt as well. This doesn't mean Rembrandt might look worse, it's just an aspect for different usages.
Original: Don't expect too much. AMDs Zen ist well optimized for efficiency. So they will gain performance but not as much as they consume power. If they can gain well with setting higher TDP, the Zen3+ optimisations are even greater than I thought.
@@Deinorius wait. Did you even watch the video
@@antiwokehuman "tdp: 45W"... actual usage: 80W
Soo efficient 😂🤡🤡🤡💅🏿
@@Deinorius This guy just got confused with AMD and Intel. What a joke lmao
AMD has been blowing it out of the water recently. Honestly, I'm really glad. It's brought the whole industry forward.
Agreed, the consumer loses out when there is no competition.
lol
With their cpu's....not so much with their gpus....the drivers are really holding them back.
@BoyWithADream Yeah, I spotted that one, seen that account around in comments before, so now I know why. Thanks for letting me know :)
Intel sad🌚🥲
11 hours on a windows laptop is just incredible to hear.
we're entering iPad territory now, it's insane.
On a high end laptop with good performance*
A Pentium or Athlon Laptop will obviously hold much longer.
I mean we've had that for years,just not with gaming laptops
@@javierortiz82 lmao it’s funny how they getting excited over this shit jus because they finally learned something called optimization.
To be fair 11 h on Windows isn't really new you just had to research a lot. There were even 10th Gen Intel laptops achieving really good battery life.
The remarkable thing here will be following things:
Very good battery life should become more common with Rembrandt but it still needs to be realised by the manufacturers. If they don't engineer their products well...
I don't know, why the former G14 couldn't reach even 6 h. I saw even over 10 h of battery life on the first G14 with Renoir. Anandtech back then found out, the dGPU haven't been deactivated. May be it happened here as well?
The all around package by AMD just becomes better and better. I'm even curious, how USB4 implementation will be.
At first I was like "wait, are you really going to compare 17" laptop with 14"?" and then I was just blown away by how powerful that AMD is. In that body size. With that battery. Just wow! Can you compare it's productivity scores with M1 Pro/Max chips?
I compared 5900HS vs old M1 vs M1 max. Tested only in software that have native support for both M1 (without rosetta) and x86. Old M1 average 1.5 times slower than 5900HS and sometimes 2 times slower (100% multicore workload). M1 Max trading blows with 5900HS: lighter workload M1 Max faster and heavy workload 5900HS is faster. But M1 Max used less power everywhere compared to 5900HS. So 6900HS probably slightly faster than M1 Max but still using more power.
Jarrod's tech has a video on it. M1 wins some, 6900HS wins some. There is no contest in gaming as expected, but the M1 is still crazy efficient since it isn't an x86 chip.
The battery life is absurd. I was expecting around 10-15% longer. That jump was absurd. The RDNA is crazy good too. 85 FPS in a brand new title with intergrated graphics is unheard of.
It's absurd because the test is flawed. The 6900 has hardware accelerated AV1 decoding, the 5900 doesn't. They likely didn't check the CZcams video format, not all videos on CZcams are AV1, but the ones that are would ruin this test without a disclaimer..
@@trignite how do you know that the video they tested with was running on AV1 format ??
@@AemondTomahawk Because it's literally the only thing that explains such an absurd result. The screen alone would use a lot of battery during the hours the test was running. It's not solely going to be determined by making the cpu a little bit more efficient. 2x gain in battery life watching youtube is a lot more than what a 2x more efficient cpu could provide because it is not the only component being used.
@The hero we deserve lmfao
It is likely flawed, Dave2D review got a 20 minute jump from last year's G14 laptop to this year's model. LTT's battery benchmark is largely inconsistent and also not true to real life usage. Ultrabookreview has the most accurate laptop battery test on the internet which is congruent with Dave2D's results.
Wow, that is really efficient for that kind of performance. I'm looking forward to the ultra-compact 'NUC-clones' equipped with these R6000 chips. Give them a potent cooling solution and you'll have a monster in a box.
Why u use NUC, you develop Windows?
why not black berry?
@@lucasrem1870 Huh? I was using 'NUC' to describe a form factor. I don't quite understand your question.
Mini PCs, not "NUC clones". I think the more generic term is better, rather than a specific brand one.
These last years AMD has made its presence way bigger than Intel in the mini PC space thanks to the Ryzen APUs. The NUC brand is kinda dead (the new NUCs are no longer mini PCs, more like a bigger SFF ITX PC).
I own an asus PN50... and i can't wait to upgrade to an amd 6xxx version of it, GPU upgrade will be more than worth the trouble.
Windows based consoles. Though tbf we’ve already got Steam Deck for that.
It’s so nice that we’ve gone from Intel Intel Intel to a competitive market with AMD and Apple now producing good chips.
Now all we need is apple selling m1s to everyone lol
But I don't think the m1 chip is design to run as efficient than other OS
@@deadlyseven8008 it'll probably run like shit for the price. it'll also probably end up costing a lot on a non apple computer; but Apple isn't gonna sell them anyways
@@ciraey M1s are also ARM chips, which create enough compatibility issues within macOS, and would not function with Windows whatsoever.
keep buying AMD until its dominate the market, then start buying whatever,
Intel is still too dominant now.
We need a vibrant and competitive market.
EVERY LITTLE BIT helps.
I was thinking of upgrading to Intel's 12gen. But I really think I need to hold out for the 6900x because, nice.
Same here
The new Ryzen desktop chips are gonna be 7000 series though.
@@samuelturner6020 and also a completely different beast than the 6000 series mobile
I'd see whose laptop is better price/performance i.e. intel arc + Intel or amd Radeon + amd then I'll make a choice
@@mehuljain5916 I think it'll be just like what's described in the video. If you want a beast gaming laptop with discrete GPU (basically a desktop replacement) and price is not an issue, go Intel. Anything else, go AMD. At least until Zen 4 is released, then you'll need to wait.
I love the chill presenting style in this video. The high-energy, edit-heavy style of some of the other videos is cool too, but sometimes a nice relaxed review hits really good, y'know?
Oh yeah.
The opening caption stealthfully put a monicle on my face. Rembrandt is one of my favorite boroque painters, too!
It's so cool to see they really give Intel something to think about. So many years there was just no other Option then Intel because AMD was so far behind (after athlon times). Now it's fair game and every consumer benefits from it.
Edit: damn never had so many likes. Thanks :D
Competition always benefits the customer... thats why you have lawsuits for monopoly companies(sometimes).
Hot take it was better when Intel was on top and AMD was basically dead. Now every generation leaves the past one in the dust making the jump huge. What were major complaints with all the newest games this past year oh yeah performance. But when Intel sold i7s as 4 cores no games had performance issues as the major complaint. The tight core count stacks gave consumers better options.
It's like a miracle AMD even survied so long. That's why the Comeback is even more impressive
Phenom were great too, the problem started when AMD couldn't make anything better. FX was embarrassing
You're not wrong, but this has been the case for a number of years now.
So basically, Framework laptop with Ryzen 6000 is possible?
Holy grail. Hope they do it.
I think they're stuck with Thunderbolt, but I don't see any issues with that since it's mostly required for external GPUs only and USB 4 supports PCIe tunneling anyway.
@@pejgrio1809 Rembrandt can support Thunderbolt, provided Intel certifies them.
@@JirayD Well, good luck with that.
@@pejgrio1809 USB4 is a Thunderbolt 3 equivalent, Intel gave it to USB standardizing institution..
My thoughts on rDNA2 APUs is that we could possibly see the end of the need for low budget GPUs since they may not be needed. Maybe that's why AMD put such little effort into the 6500XT?
they put such little effore bcoz they wanted/had to use a laptop chip for the 6500 xt. which is why it has only 4 pcie lanes, no video encoding, etc.
There's a lot of natural advantages from having the GPU and CPU physically close together. The physical distance between the CPU and GPU has significant effect to latency and to bandwidth with how fast computers run nowadays. And to power and thus heat. Which has also become the major limiting factor. Minimizing those allows you to run more and faster.
The main reason APUs have sucked before is that it was all one die. It required an entire dedicated production line of large dies with an entire CPU and GPU integrated together them. That absolutely sucks for yields and it has to be made cheap and generic to sell enough to justify that investment.
Chiplets have completely changed that. You can now mass produce the same seperate CPU dies and GPU dies and paste them together as desired. This is great for yields because smaller dies survive quadratically more. Which means APUs can be cheaper per performance. And have a realistically powered GPU since you don't need to worry about if the massive size of the GPU will impact yield of the entire APU. You can instead focus on improving your few dedicated GPU lines you bin from and utilize those.
nah, low budget cpu's will always help performance a lot. unless they start making dedicated vram sticks and putting them on motherboards, integrated graphics will always be held back by having to share regular old ram which is much slower, and by the fact that integrated graphics share a cooling solution with the cpu. a dedicated gpu has its own cooling and faster ram type. if you take a processor with integrated graphics and compare it with the same cpu and a gpu equivalent of those integrated graphics, the setup with the dedicated gpu will always win by a significant margin.
@@danieloberhofer9035 problem is they made them bad for both mining.... And gaming. At least the RTX3050 can game decently, while it is still pretty bad at mining (not as bad as 6500XT) by design.
@@danieloberhofer9035 Great reply and a perfect example of what the 6500xt provides in this current market 👍
I really hope framework uses these new ryzen 6000’s. That would honestly be a dream for a casual user who doesn’t want a Mac.
I'm finding it amazing how AMD flipped the script and started teaching Intel some lessons.
Oh my. That level of power efficiency makes me wonder what'll be in store for the Ryzen 7000 series.
(Edit: yes, I know the 7000 series will be made for desktop platforms)
Small sized nuclear reactor
RDNA 3
Light speed CPU
I'm sure it'll be countered by Intel 13th gen, which will then get a solid response from Ryzen 8000
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 intel has no response on efficiency
Impressive gaming numbers from integrated graphics. Love my gaming, and I'm constantly on the go away from a wall socket. Steam Deck was going to be my gaming saviour... Might have to cancel reservation and get new AMD Radeon laptop.
will they sell for gaming laptops again, the AMD Ferrari was a long time ago, Alienware Nvidia mobile for gaming GPU???
@@lucasrem1870 rip battery life then.
Yes, please cancel your Steam Deck reservation asap.
Steam deck costs half...
@@logipilot 1/4 or less.
The fact that ryzen laptop have a lot smaller footprint than intel while maintaining close performance say alot about AMD performance. Imagine if AMD laptop have the same wattage and cooling as intel one
That would be trash, i'd like same wattage and less cooling, so i can use it as a lap heater too
@@otavio30 That depends more on the cooling solution than the power as CPUs will turn almost 100% of the power draw into heat (valid to most electronics).
@@otavio30 that lap heater might just turn into a lap iron with less cooling
@@otavio30 don’t forget as a heater during the winter
Performance doesn't scale linearly with increasing power over the efficient range, which means you would be wasting watts for little gains in performance.
Loving the excellent battery life and RDNA 2 graphics! Glad I put off my laptop purchase to this year.
0:10 that nice got me good, lol
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Don't you love it when there is finally some competition again in the cpu space!
Now AMD, start making some low end chips again as well, instead of just the high end.
unfortunately AMD needs far more wafers from TSMC to be able to fully service the lower end market first.
@@geogmz8277 meanwhile in reality : high performance is 200$ more than intel's high performance.
Don't athlons exist?
this is a stupid comment.
Amd's low end priced CPUs *are* better than intels mid range lol. get a ryzen 3
@@geogmz8277 What costs same as 12100 or especially 12100f? I'm not pro Intel but AMD actually abandoned lower end segment for a while.
I’m loving this shop kind of a setup. It’s amazing how much details you guys put in your videos
already happy with AMD recently with the 5000 series, loving my 5800x, and considering they relented and allowed for bio updates on old boards sold it for me, be consumer friendly and the consumers will notice
With the 5000 series compatible with b350 boards and even some a320. I feel better about eventually replacing my ryzen 3 3100 on my b450 to an r9 5950x. Haha :D
@@andresacosta5318 idk if the vrm could take it or not
But I'd probably get a 5800x if it's B450
Love my 5800x, chip is a monster lol
The consumer has made Intel and NVidia billionaires, so obviously they don't care.
I adore my 5800x
It seems AMD has spotted the region in which they are unbeatable and decided to go all in on that
Well said! Lesser watts = less money on electricity = more time on laptop battery
Kind of funny, I thought the E-cores would be a gimmick on desktops and only really interesting for laptops. Well... As of now. It is kind of the other way around.
"The only explanation I have is they weren't lying" State of the computer hardware industry in one sentence.
i do think that cpu manufacturers should be aiming to build CPU's that are extrememly efficient and fast rather that intel's method of just throwing wattage at it
Can only cool so much throwing more wattage at it just makes your room hot and burns your legs if it's a laptop chip.
Agreed. AMD was in a similar situation about 8 years ago, but the market was very different then: Intel was in use by Apple, AMD was struggling with process, and they needed a CEO who understood the tech differently.
AMD has Lisa Su, and Intel is under a state of self-reflection. But they don't want to lose a few years; they'll want to immediately strike back.
As x86-64 users, we all win.
@@Malc180s Apple doesn't make general purpose computers. They make general purpose macs. Macs are great and they have fantastic engineering, with the catch that they pretty much must run MacOS and are basically unrepairable. Apple is probably worse than nVidia when it comes to documentation and support of non-Apple operating systems.
But if one enjoys the Mac experience and the ecosystem, then there's nothing wrong with using a computer with the most widely installed and supported Unix-inspired OS in history.
They should do what AMD does and lie about the wattage
@@Daeyae This claim is based on what, exactly?
that battery life and boost to integrated GPU performance though O_O wow
The double video playback time makes absolutely no sense. It's very misleading. Judging from other reviews, LTT methodology must had serious problem.
@@frank7353 probably due to the fact that 6000 series has AV1 decode support while 5000 series didn't
@@frank7353 perhaps. But I read laptop mag review. He says great battery life but poor screen brightness. Then The Verge says the exact opposite. They praise the screen but wasn't impressed by battery life. I don't get it.
@@samal90 almost as if everyone got a limited time with laptop. 1 day is not enough to get a proper review of any laptop! And most of the the reviewers have no clue of what they're doing. All they know is mac good windows bad. I don't think many do any gaming other than for purpose of benchmarks.
@@frank7353 absolutely agree, I’ve seen countless estimates from other websites putting the 2021 battery life for video playback at 8-10 hours. There is no way that ltt should be getting half of that. There is definitely something wrong with their video playback test. Edit: I myself get 7-8 hours on 80% battery with normal usage including video playback, unless Linus is running it at like 60% battery or some seriously messed up setting there is no way it should be getting only 5 hours.
That battery life is insane! So glad AMD is making huge ground in that department. Laptops are getting so good!
That increase in battery in just ONE gen for AMD is insane. I will bear this in mind. I own an Acer Swift 4700u laptop and looking at this one with much desire now.
Just an FYI. The increase is only THAT huge when streaming online video. The MASSIVE gains here are from the new AV1 video codec hardware decoder built into the new RDNA 2 iGPU. This let's video streaming sites that use AV1 (which is most of them & increasingly more everyday) like CZcams & Netflix run literally TWICE AS POWER EFFICIENT on Ryzen 6000 as Ryzen 5000.
For everything BUT newly hardware accelerated workloads like said AV1 video playback though, the battery life gains are more like ≈+10-25% instead of the bonkers +100% seen here.
I have been waiting for laptops with these APUs to come out since the CES announcements. With RDNA2 the iGPU is finally at a point where a dedicated gfx chip can be omitted ant it's still viable to game on it. I hope these CPUs will be put in some affordable laptops (= like 6-700 EUR).
same man, same
@@lyianx Imagine actually using your ultrabook laptops like gaming consoles with more than 3 hours of battery life while running something like Doom Eternal
6 months more and you will see RDNA 3
@@Berecutecu AMD has talked about their CPU vs GPU development cycle. The dies for the CPUs are designed far in advance of any GPU changes, which is one of the reasons it took so long for them to change from VEGA to RDNA2. The RDNA3 GPUs will be good I'm sure but they likely won't be in the APU designs for a year or two.
@@smudgeone I hear you, some places are saying that RDNA 3 Mobile will be released 2023 Q1 so maybe we see the APU sooner than we expect. Source: czcams.com/video/AyNbXotJcs0/video.html
Very interesting video but I wish there was more testing. Cinebench R23 and one game isn't enough but I guess he did only have it for a day. Great initial findings!
Indeed they could have also benched on Blender, and SotTR like in other benches they run
@@AlFasGD Yeah this video seemed oddly short with not much information really. Also, I would love to see what their battery life test was (I don't think he mentioned it did he?). Dave2D had a very different review with less praise but he still liked it.
@@Watchandlearn91 It was written in the chart. They played CZcams for the battery test
More testing is already underway! The full review of the G14 will have way more games and benchmarks! -AC
@@LinusTechTips Awesome, I look forward to it!
Those results across the power space are fascinating, I’d love to see something similar including Apple’s CPUs, plus exploring across Intel’s product space.
N0 apple!!
@@AutodidactEngineer why?
Apple is killing it in performance per watt. It’d be cool to see the spread.
@@johnbergmann2896 Well, they use ARM architecture so no surprise why the x86s can't compete with Apple in that regard
You're sooo good at these comparisons! thank you. I'm really looking forward to the review next week.. I really NEED that new G14, can't wait.
Pro-tip. Get the RX 6700S model unless "maximum performance at ANY COST!" is absolutely CRITICAL for you, as it's just a NO-BRAINER level choice with it being DRAMATICALLY better value than the 6800S!!!
This is because it's shockingly only ≈-5-15% slower than the flagship, but for a SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper price!
This is also why I SERIOUSLY cannot even FATHOM why THAT wasn't the model Asus seeded to reviewers!... The R9 + 32GB + 6800S w/ AniMe Matrix display review model got absolutely RAILED ON for being way more expensive than previous G14's, while the R7 + 16GB + 6700S + normal display model was basically JUST AS FAST as the top spec one in real world user experience but for a much, MUCH lower & more similar to last-gen price!!!
@@Cooe. You're probably right! I would like a 6700S model WITH 32Gigs RAM though. And I was hoping for a suitable AniMe-less model in Europe, but can't find one yet. Guess they're really pushing that AniMe lid here.
From a company that was in vain around 5 years ago, I'd say these stuffs they'd released over the years are just astoundingly amazing!
6800U thin&lights are going to be awesome laptops.
Oh yes, I just hope it isn't insanely expensive cause I have no idea
I really like the way AMD is going...the 7000 series Desktop CPU will be dope
I find it funny how the CEO of Intel always makes fun of AMD and nVidia but for some odd reason their new tech stomps all over Intel's 2 month old products.
The high end is going to be really interesting to see. I'm hoping that the low end APUs are actually released to the public. I would love to get a quiet, low profile machine built one of these years, and the 5300G would have been the way to go if I could actually use it in my own machine. I'll have to stick with my existing 1600X and ten year old graphics card for the time being.
From what they were able to pull off with Zen 3+, you are right the Zen 4 7000 series is going to be ridiculously good.
Integrated graphics are close to start replacing low cost GPUS. In the next years we are gonna see many more companies competing in that front especially for mid price laptops!
The better the iGPUs, the cheaper low budget builds will be, i've had the idea of building cheap budget gaming machines with them for lan parties, this is just getting better and better. Also noone plays demanding games for lan parties, so it's more than enough, and power consumption is also very nice, which would be a problem with CPUs + GPUs.
I was in the market for one computer to do it all, I'd buy a 14" AMD gaming laptop. It gets solid gaming performance while also being small and efficient enough to work as an every day carry laptop.
Great review, exactly the info I was looking for, so tired of endless charts reconfirming a point made early(gamers nexus /hardware unboxed) and a look at what laptops were intended for. Anyone looking for top performance won't be buying a laptop, and most people buying laptops are concerned with portability and battery life. Any true enthusiast who can afford it will have both, a killer PC and a light long life laptop, in an ideal world!
its all igp for me, well done AMD you just have the more rounded product.
I can confirm. Intel's chips are limited by iGPU. Especially in laptops with 10th gen or older, the iGPU is holding back most of what you'll be doing. That's why I'm so fond of the latest from AMD. Their iGPUs are out of this world.
I have an 8th or 9th gen Intel laptop. The IGPU isn't that bad I can play plenty of older games on it. Essentially 2011 and before, all games I really want to replay.
Out of this world in what way? They are very similar to the latest Snapdragon and Apple M1 - tablet SoCs. Its not impressive. It's actually just sad.
@@Gravy1255 Well by comparison to something like this which can play modern games at 1080p 60fps that is fairly bad, a mid-tier card from a decade ago like the Radeon 7850 could beat an 8/9 gen iGPU, I could still play most modern games around 2018 on low settings with that and from what was shown here RDNA 2 is pretty competitive with an RX 570 which is just fine for 1080p gaming.
@@vgamesx1 I wasn't comparing it to the AMD igpu. I was just saying it isn't that bad, you can get by with it if you keep your expectations in check.
The funny thing is that the same guy who designed the integrated GPUs for AMD, did the same after for Intel(Intel XE), and yet AMD is still leaping over them without him now, which is impressive.
This is why I still would rather AMD, yeah, intel does have the max 100% load performance crown, but really almost no one uses CPU's like that, when gaming I'm always GPU bound so I'd rather something more efficient at a lower TDP.
cant agree more and that igp is dope even if you have a dedicated gpu, that igp will be perfect for lightweight games.
I currently use my rtx3070 dedicated gpu for mining mostly and jam SWTOR, dota 2 etc on the vega 8 gpu and it usually runs over 100 fps.
Well who wants a mini sized nuclear plant?
@@reinhard7164 how else will I warm my coffee? In the microwave, like a caveman?
@@float32 lol
@@IvnSoft true, there’s evidence that their stimulant of choice was possibly ephedra.
Can't wait to see what'll happen when those power efficient system with a good enough iGPU is made into a thin laptop
I love this new-age back and forth between AMD and Intel.
the IGPU on the AMD ryzen is gonna be very big speedup in emulation. I really want to see its performance in RPCS3. Its too bad intel removed AVX-512 on 12th gen mobile since intel laptops could have been the superior emulation machines.
AVX-512 is a power virus. It has no place when your are trying to maximize performance per TDP.
4:20, could you test this with a Ryzen U processor when it comes out?
It would be good to know that someone can buy a Ryzen H laptop but limit the power for times they need battery life without hurting performance.
Edit: Also use frame limiters when testing battery life when gaming?
Edit 2: What happens to Ryzen 5000 when you do that TDP Limiting with it.
4:20 nice
AMD totally dominated after the first ryzen. Pricing is awesome and the performance can nearly, and sometimes do, beat Intel. That's why i'm on ryzen since the 3700x. With 5800x, an 4* (don't know exactly what) and now an 5900hx in Razer.
Well pricing are opposite of awesome. Everything got much more expensive.
@@Steellmor yep that’s true glad someone’s finally brought it up that amd massively charges for their products like for example 5600x at 300$ is over 100 more than the 11400f
@@supersop1367 although i agree that 300 for a 6 core is crazy. Amd are actually selling every single chip they produce at these save insane prices. People are willing to pay these prices. The situation is similar to what we see in gpus
@@supersop1367 I mean yeah, but I wasn't even talking about that,but in general - desktops got much more expensive,laptops for more than $2k?? Mobos got double in price, AMD stopped making budget CPUs since ryzen 3000 series. No Ryzen 3,no Athlons. Well at least we have COMPETITION. Lol.
@@Steellmor that’s facts
wow. this batterlife improvement is insane. I only thought it would be nice to get more decoders and hdmi 2.1 but i‘m mindblown what ryzen 6000 mobile is capable of 😮.
But intel also for sure did a big step forward with 12000mobile.
Yup!
In particular, the brand new hardware AV1 decoder (what was being taken advantage of in this CZcams playback battery life test) is absolutely NO FUCKING JOKE in a world where most of the major video hosting platforms (CZcams, Netflix, etc...) are switching to AV1 basically SOLELY to avoid the MPEG Group's crazy HEVC licensing fees!!!
As in, like GAWT DAYUM!!! O___O
@@Cooe. and Firefox finally as well with thr next version will officially support it.
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His technical analysis are very accurate
I mean sure, its close to intel's brute power albeit with less power consumption
but at the graphics department, Its no contest
AMD FTW!
No, its optimisation and efficency at peak, hell, i would say that this chip outperforms the regular i5 rocking, gtx1060 or rx570 gaming desktops at a fraction of heat dissipation and power draw
@@eustahijelifetips 1060 will beat the RDNA 2 stats here, but obv at the cost of more power
@@kaleidodeer I reckon the 1060 is comparable in performance. 1080p in Forza you'd get about 80 fps with the 1060. That's not much different to the iGPU in the video. It's only one game too. More reviews needed!
@@billcar50 if so how can that same company release a dedicated GPU which performs close to GTX 1660 ( am talking about Rx 6500 xt ) & sell for 200$? In my area it's more like 300$ btw.
@@billcar50 If your getting 80 fps with the 1060 then it's a CPU problem not gpu problem. In this video this is the low preset. The 1060 can push 120-130+. I'm really not sure how you even came to such conclusions.
With this much efficiency right now, one day they might be able to make Threadripper APUs. Imagine the performance of a 32C/64T CPU + iGPU capable of performing as well as today's top of the line dGPU, all under a 280W TDP
It'd be amazing to see a Xeon mobile competitor. Zen 4 might be enough to see it happen
Why?
great video, but damn AMD that's a jump. I wasn't expecting that much of a lead in battery life or graphics performance.
In battery life it only had a lead compared to last years laptop because they didn't compare it to Intel. And btw intel also got a big battery life improvement
@@propersod2390 your a fanboy
@@propersod2390 even 5th gen Ryzen series has a better battery life than 12th gen Intel. Idk what you're talking about
@@propersod2390 I have a feeling they didn't do a battery life comparison because, given the 2 laptops were of obviously different size, the size of the batteries were probably different as well. It still woulda been nice to see some kind of comparison with a giant asterisk attached.
@@ranzera I don't know if they already did a review on the new intel gen for battery life, but a comparison to old AMD is good enough.
I have a last gen Zephyrus with the AMD 5900HS and seeing the massive improvement over what I now have, I want it, although I know it's stupid.
My current laptop lasts me longer than any laptop I've had before and knowing that AMD is improving upon that generation by generation gives me hope that one day we will actually have laptops that last a full day, no matter the task (With decent performance)
Love the little Rembrandt nerd-out on the intro.
CZcams playback time so much better, probably because it's the first iGPU that can decode VP9 and AV1. Finally a laptop that can decode video efficiently, been waiting for years.
With energy prices rising (I pay 2,3 times the price compared to a few months ago now) the price difference between AMD and Intel CPU's also becomes massive. Especially if you have a desktop.
A CPU that runs at 100W nonstop will need 40 hours to burn the same energy as an AC that runs at 1000W nonstop for 4 hours.
Also monitors, RAM, motherboard, storage, etc. dont use energy from the shadow realm.
Monitors alone can do more than 30W.
I live in Finland and I need electric heating for like 98% of the time. Extra heat from computer reduces the amount of power that my heating system needs. Also I use sauna unit for an hour per day. 100W CPU would have to go at full tilt for two days to use the same amount of power. Energy prices are crazy though. In a pretty short amount of time it went from 0.03€/kWH to 0.07€/kWh
@@suntzu1409 But (where I live) I only need to put on the AC for a couple of hours per day 4-6 weeks a year vs having my PC on a couple of hours per day every day of the year on average (I work from home 50% off the time).
Other hardware also uses a lot of power (GPU's for example), monitors etc. But I light up my entire home for less Watt then I power my CPU. It just all adds up in the end. And if every manufacturer of appliances etc went crazy with power usage I simply could not pay my electric bill anymore.
@@kimnice Yeah I understand when you compare a CPU next to a big unit it is not much of power usage. The prices are that crazy there as well? There no more gas in Finland?
My girlfriend and I am going to buy my father in law's home and want to get rid of gas. I was planning to go ham with isolation, get solar panels and get a heat pump instead of a boiler.
@@123italiano321
Then you should look at macbook airs and fanless mini PCs
i was about to buy 5500 u amd laptop because i was expecting %10-%20 performance upgrade. but this looks huge. i will wait for it
Bro 5500U is basically Zen2.
You should wait, the GPU is twice as fast and the CPU also gets some 20% more performance per watt.
@@Mastakilla91 yeah this gen looks very promising. performance per watt looks like increased a lot too.
I like how AMD hits where it hurts the most
you mean my wallet? Yes you're right, the price is fucking insane
@@utrak its not rlly only AMD,its simply EVERYWHERE.
@@utrak the prices for EVERYTHING are fucking insane right now. Lets Go Brandon!
def need a deeper dive to check out the GPU in a full range of tests.
It's awesome that IGPUs are actually becoming good. I haven't heard much about IrisXE, but I know that Intel's previous integrated graphics could barely even run games. Heck, mobile games like Genshin Impact would crash because of the IGPU. Hopefully this new tech trickles down to extreme budget gamers.
Mobile XE is really nothing to get excited about. I bought a laptop a couple months ago with an i5 1135G7 with IrisXE and it's nearly incapable of even light gaming.... It might be fine for older games, but it struggles to even run Roblox with the graphics slider turned all the way down....
I don't know about that. I have a laptop with an i3 7100u that's perfectly capable of playing ME:Andromeda at 256x144.
@@FlakiCiociGosi I don't see an i3 7100U playing ME:Andromeda at 2560x1440....especially when my i3 7130U struggles to run simple Roblox games.....and they both have the same iGPU..
@@aaronthomas6155 thats why I said 256x144. So you know- 0.1 of the 2560x1440.
@@FlakiCiociGosi you know what actually I even doubt 256x114 will work😂
Damn, and I was already impressed by the R5000 Vega 8 GPUs. This is insane!
The g14 is baller every year. Love what it does. Great power size combo for engineering students or similar
What student can afford to spend what is a months salary on a laptop?
@@Daeyae Ummm, I did.
It depends on your country, for example, my country (the Netherlands) provides interest free loans for students so they can afford housing and all their study needs.
I didn't need that because I got lucky and earned some side money, but a lot of Dutch students can afford pretty expensive laptops, they just take 1 and it lasts them the next 5 years so it's a good investment for a student. (I have last gen g14 and it's amazing as fuck)
@@NemuruYama So Dutch students, a very very very small population of people.
@@Daeyae Dutch students that waste other peoples tax dollars to buy a gaming laptop***
I took out student loans too, I just didn't treat my neighbour with disdain and use their tax money for a fucking gaming laptop lmao
@@MN-jw7mm Ummm, it's not tax dollars mate.
It's literally a loan, you HAVE to pay it back in a certain amount of time. It will be getting reworked in the coming years tho, as they finally realized that putting every most students into massive debt was not a good idea.
Also, I have zero student debt as I never took a loan, which I easily could have but it's just dumb.
Imagine having the ryzen 9 69XX and the rx 6900 XT
nice
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Wow I've never seen a shop with such great acoustics
That 2x battery life vs the previous generation is insane. M Macbook level.
I mean technically you'd need another 2x but I see you point.
@@castortoutnu not really. When the 6900HS is limited to 40W (the M1 Pro's typical power under load), it's only ~10% slower in Cinebench and ~25% slower in Geekbench. Which is honestly fantastic given the M1 is on 5nm and costs substantially more to manufacture.
After this review, I'll be buying a Ryzen 6000 laptop this year for sure 🙂 Jolly good show @Linus Tech Tips
what laptop u use now????
No joke, I was planning to buy a laptop with a ryzen 5800 chip tomorrow. This came out just in time
Ooh, I’m really curious to see a direct comparison with what the Steam Deck could’ve been with Zen 3+ cores. Like set the exact same TDP, same number of cores, and same GPU, see how much more performance 6000 series get. Similarly, match the performance together, like 60FPS in a certain game, and see how many more hours per MaH the new CPUs get.
Probably would attach both to an external display, and have them only output to an external display, and maybe attach a controller to the laptop, to try and only compare the CPUs. As far as I can tell, the Steam Deck is the only mobile CPU with Zen 2 cores and RDNA2 graphics that can run whatever you want on it.
Zen 3 is only a small bump vs Zen 2 (just look at 5500u vs 5600u benchmarks). So not a huge gain that would probably make the chip more expensive.
But 3+ would have nicely improved battery life. I'm sure the Steam Deck is going to constantly get chip improvements yearly. It's not a game console.
I've met plenty who want a desktop replacement. They want a laptop to bring around for work, but also for games or editing. So intel still has its uses. But I'd personally go for AMD here, I have a powerful desktop, but if I'm traveling I'd still want something to play some games on, and I'm sure that laptop could do that.
An interesting point was brought up during the Core 2 Duo days - a chip might consume more power to do something, but takes less time to do it meaning less power was consumed overall
Now intel needs to fix their power consumption charts and we have a proper rivalry.
what is that supposed to mean xd
Here I am just waiting for an Intel P review. That's Intel's answer to AMD's HS chips.
I love the energy efficiency. In my opinion this will be one of the most important things in the future, even on desktop PC. The time of 700+W PCs will hopefully be over soon.
I personally think that the days of 700W+ pcs will only end with the advent of KW+ PCs but I do agree with the hope that we can get better “I don’t operate my own personal nuclear reactor” parts
1000W+ nvidia RTX go brrrrrrrrr 😂
those "700W+" pc's aren't a big issue. The huge corporate datacenters take megawatts of power
i reduced my i5 2500k speed from 3.3 gigs to 1.2 gigs by reducing the ratio multiplier from 33 to 12toreducepower consumption
4:36 Wrong.
Remember that most power in gaming laptop come to gpu, not cpu, which is left with like 40W, so even in gaming laptops Ryzen will be better(might depend on type of game).
This is exactly why I built my gaming desktop on the i9-12900K and my laptop will be AMD. No need to pick sides or compromise in my opinion. Snag the one that works best for the use case 😜
I've been waiting for the 2022 g14 to upgrade. I might not end up getting it, but if I go high end, I want a camera (so I need a 2022 laptop), and low end, I want AMD 6000 (so I need a 2022 laptop).
The R7 + 16GB + RX 6700S w/o the stupid AniMe Matrix display model of the 2022 G14 is still pretty damn good value!!! The 6700S in particular is only -≈5-15% slower than the flagship 6800S but saves you a TON of $$$! And that's even MORE true with the 8c/16t Ryzen 7 vs the also 8c/16t but just w/ slightly higher clocks Ryzen 9 comparison!
It's only the top spec models w/ that silly display that have the ridiculously stupid pricing this generation. Which is also why I can't understand at ALL why Asus used a 100% top spec config (inc. the stupid $500 AniMe Matrix) for the review model...
Alex Clarke & Lois is exceptionally great at disseminating information, his rhythm at delivering the scripted material is fluid and not forced. Sometimes poor Linus, probably from over work, we saw the video with Laser James trying to schedule shoots for him, he can sometimes come off as tired and it's a bit forced. But whether it's tech unboxing, building, car reviewing, or reviewing, Alex makes it look not only easy but fun. Not to shove more on to his plate, but I always enjoy Alex delivering the Tech News, and LTT general material.
Yup
and he shows Ryzen PL1(45W) and not PL2(85W) while shows only i9 PL2(110W)
Rembrandt’s usage of shadows was particularly stunning for the age and is one of the great painters of the Dutch Golden Age. He lived a very tragic life, losing children and his partner before his early death.
Intel : Lets make a desktop class power consuming CPU for a thin laptop.
CZcamsrs : Intel is back !
Just bought a 12k series cause I needed to replace my mobo that was dying and it was the best option price to performance at the time. Not even mad that the 6k series is this amazing, definitely going to rule the laptop sector, amd knocked it out of the park on this one.
Love the competition in the cpu space finally
I love this competition in the CPU space, I’m definitely a team blue guy but seeing AMD making these fantastic processors is great to see.
Same, I’m more of an AMD guy just because I love a good underdog story and this is the best one I’ve ever seen! From the brink of bankruptcy to industry leading performance in less than four years… Mad props to the brilliant leadership team and engineers.
As always competition is good for the consumer. We all benefit by having both companies push each-other to the top of their game!
That battery performance is amazing, like Good God bro, for someone like me who moves a lot at work, this is a god send
This laptop was already reviewed by other outlets and battery life is just okayish. Gaming battery life is abysmal but that's to be expected. LTT really cherry picked their battery life benchmark here.
Me like them APUs -- just nice and useful for most office tasks.
Just noticed someone highlighted the letter 'n' in the ting mobile screenshot! Can't unsee!
If you think about amd's long-term road map, it makes more sense now that they didn't overpower the original zen1 on 2017. They instead decided to implement their product stack as a less power hungry design, and as a result, their coolers were more effective and motherboard design was a lot easier etc, they bet that the platform would outlast Intel. They also did show their hand by going all out on Ryzen 1000 series, which would have prompted Intel to go onto sicko mode. By flying under the radar until platform, memory, and software support caught up to them, they were then poised to attack with the heavier hitting 2nd and 3rd gen Ryzen, pumping up power consumption and clock speeds to rival Intel's panicked responses. All of this being said, competition is good for the market, but AMD executed their return rather smartly and is now here to stay.
Thank you AMD for making windows laptops comparable to Apple's M1 in battery life 🙏
Well but still won’t be close to M1
@@Matchleader still a step in the best direction
@@gmdrandom6287 yes. 1 step in right direction but hundreds of steps left. A CPU with x86 architecture cannot compete with an ARM CPU in terms of performance per watt.
Still AMD is doing great in x86 department
@@Matchleader HAHAHAHAHA lol. The 14 inch M1 Max finds it tough to match my RTX 3070 powered G15 with Ryzen *5000*, and you're saying that efficiency won't be matched?! I can stretch my system to 10+ hours of real world usage on a charge and my neighbour's M1 Max dies in 8 hours (14 inch)
@@arjunsanghi funny you compare 14 inch version which has a small battery compared to 16 inch. Also about power, your laptop does more performance while draining 4 times more power. Unplug both laptops and do benchmarks. Your laptop performance while unplugged will drop to shit
Look at alex these days, stepping up his camera time/game 👍🏼
Aww yass I won!
Seriously though, why is this still not fixed
@@ari-mcbrown I guess the LTT crew will wait for a batch of spams to enter, then run the spam removal tool.
@@citycultivator2101 they wanted to automate it right?
after you showed that battery life, I knew which laptop I'm saving up for
I'm searching for a laptop, that in the first place has a long battery life (for work) and in second place can game a bit. Seems with the new AMD chips I no longer have to worry that it can do both.
They've done it. They've actually named it the Ryzen 9 6900
nice
That 11+ hour battery life on a ryzen 9 is amazing.
The battery life test is bullshit, the 6900 has a hardware decoder for av1, and the 5900 doesn't. They must've used a CZcams video that was encoded in av1 for the test which reallly skewed the results. They should of tested both formats, because hardware decoding is much faster the comparison isn't fair.
@@trignite what
@@trignite Yeah, totally, a laptop holding out doing 11hrs, doing something that is common for people do, isn't a fair comparison for a laptop that can't do that running stalls constantly across the cpu...
@@rya3190 It's like you didn't even read my comment. They compared an AV1 video when around 80% of youtube isn't av1 content. They didn't put a disclaimer either. Also the comparison implies that the battery usage gain is across the board with multiple tasks but it's literally only that much of a difference because its hardware decoding vs software decoding. It's like comparing two people jumping out of a plane and voting on who lands safer without mentioning one of them wasn't wearing a parachute.
@trignite You didn't read my comment very well either...the fact that a laptop can run longer doing a task (albeit a simple one) for 11hrs is impressive before you consider that it can game. I'm also led to believe you don't know what a cpu stall is...
To top that off, I'm surprised you were able to decipher the video they used (if not a stream of videos), despite it not played or described by the video. I'll admit I'm not as knowledgeable about differences between hardware and software, but would that really cut in half the power usage?
Confirmed I'm ditching my trusty Thinkpad for a 6900HS laptop when they become available:)
Lenovo might refresh the T and X lineups with Zen3+, depends on whether AMD has the 'Pro' variants ready this quarter.
Can't wait for newer development of the future for laptops and mobile devices :D
Imagine playing on budget gaming laptops with this on the future (it's like a budget discreet graphics card!)
Wait a minute. There is an error in this video! The Ryzen 9 6900HS actually has a 35W TDP while the 6900HX and 6980HX have a 45W TDP. That means these results are even more impressive for AMD than they are getting credit for.
It's running at 80, so no
It's only TDP not the real power consumption
At 2:
58 there is an error also. Either the colors are backwards on the chart or what he is saying is backwards.
@@MeeniMyniMo It only hits ≈75W (not 80W, learn how to read a damn graph... 🤦♂️) after ≈6min of full 100% CPU load (which is enough time for the VAST majority of CPU workloads to fully complete). Before that it's running at just 65W!
And power consumption ≠ TDP... For the love of God, learn how modern boosting algorithms work!... -_- ... What the R9 6900HS' 35W TDP rating ACTUALLY MEANS is that it'll fit into DRAMATICALLY smaller systems w/ equally dramatically smaller cooling without its performance falling right off a damn cliff just like happens to Intel's Alder Lake chip, & as Alex's testing LITERALLY SHOWED!
But if you give ANY MODERN CPU more power & cooling capacity than it absolutely MUST HAVE to work at spec though (likely ≈45W in Ryzen 6000HS' case, ≈60W for the 6000H parts, & ≈80W for Alder Lake-H), the chip can & WILL take advantage of it by using more power to boost higher & for longer! THAT'S TOTALLY NORMAL!!!