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- 'One of the things that’s coming up over and over again is Islamophobia,’ says Keir Starmer in a campaign video, talking to Sadiq Khan. ‘We need to say over and over again that Islamophobia is intolerable… and I think there’s more we can do in government.' The video shows the London mayor nodding in agreement.
But - as Ed Husain, historian of Islam, tells our editor Fraser Nelson - it’s not the strategy they should be worrying about so much as the unintended consequences.
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#politics #islam #labour
Would a law banning 'Islamophobia' be counterproductive Muslim integration?
how can you ban a phobia? all you can do is stop people discussing their 'phobia.'
The scriptures of Islam, the Quran, the hadith, the sharia (law), are counterproductive to Muslim integration. What is a law against an irrational fear of Islam going to do to affect that? The truth is that Muslims *_can't_* integrate into any society except one governed by sharia, and remain Muslim. That is the opinion of the scholars of Islam, the ultimate authority in Islam, the fiqh. Your guest has no standing with regard to Islam, his personal opinions are meaningless.
"Islamophobia" defines itself as an _irrational_ fear of Islam, who has that? Don't let your enemies define words for you and then make laws to restrict your speech.
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Islamophobia is not a thing. Rational fear of a group with incompatible cultural norms continuously eroding western values is both sane and unsurprising.
They make it up as they go along
anti semitism is not a thing, its an intimidation tactic to avoid having reasonable conversation about the coordinated jewish influence
Do you actually personally know any Muslims?
@@AT-bq1kg as do you make it up as you go along...your hatred is visible. I'm not a muslim..I'm a Christian...I see your heart
@@ForWatching-uh6rz anti semitism is codified in the Muslim doctrine (Hadiths and Koran). Maybe Islam could be a new mental home for you?
Reasonable risk aversion is not Islamophobia.
Blasphemy!
#ToxicMaleClimateDenierAlert
Control the language as they do. I call it islamoprudence. Nothing they can say. .
@@advocate1563 They can start calling any word racist, be real.
Nevertheless, nice idea, #islamoprudence.
Well done. 👍👍
Maybe it'll catch on.
I'm sick to the back death of islam
@@paulhickmott1770 same here mate
NO to backdoor blasphemy laws!
But ‘yes’ to back door action 👍
You can tell the interviewer is all for this law.
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The silence of Muslims is what condemns them.
The ones shouting about Jews show that their speech would condemn them more.
What silence?
@@andrewsheppard3189hasbara bots
the silence of Jews is what condemns them....lets play tennis eh ...deuce
Exactly!!!
Branding the working class of this country as far right and potential 'Islamophobes' is a disgusting slur against us.
...but bearing in mind what a certain religion proclaims, entirely understandable.
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Labour loathes the working class.
In 2024 we are considering a law to prevent criticism of a religion.
It's hard to believe our politicians can be so stupid and dishonest
It's hard to believe? They hate us, I think they've made that clear
They'll surprise you as to how stupid they can be. It's voters
Who keep putting them in office is the problem.
@@charliebrownie4158 or non voters, loads of people don't vote so we just end up with whoever could be bothered to
Not if they themselves are muslims seeking domination, see Kahn
*_Nothing_* is too stupid for Keir Starmer, it appears.
I don’t feel threatened by the teachings of Jesus or Buddha or Gandhi but I do feel threatened by the teachings of Muhammad.
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Not threatened by Jesus bringing the sword in the 2nd coming?
You need to actually read the bible, son.
@@adamp2426 irrelevant. To fear that is to believe the faith that teaches that future happening. Fearing the effect of the teachings of a human who incited his followers to hatred of and violence against non-believers is entirely different, and rational.
Ignorance ! have you actually talked to Muslims ?
The term ‘Islamaphobia’ was invented at the end of the 1970s by Iranian fundamentalists. Enough said surely?
thats not true😂, why do you make up stuff
the term anti semite was invented by Willhelm Marr......so what?
@meecha59 whom wasn't Jewish. See the difference?
@ForWatching-uh6rz it is true. See what i did there?
I see A difference but not a fundamental one..both weasel words..did your Iranians invent homophobic?
Absolutely Islamophobia should be outlawed - the word, that is. We must not allow Starmer to introduce blasphemy laws here or the country is truly lost.
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I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. If you outlaw islamophobia that means it will be illigal to criticise islam... i.e. it will be protected.
l agree
@@Boards-dont-hit-back no I think you misunderstood my comment - the word "Islamophobia" itself is the problem, that's what I suggested should be outlawed.
ISLAMOPHOBIA is a nonsense term.
Everybody take note. And here's the clue: PHOBIA which means IRRATIONAL FEAR. There is nothing irrational about fearing Islam. It's record speaks for itself.
Well said!
And it's Holy principle of Dawah SHOULD be feared and STOPPED !
The Catholic phobia I was subjected in ulster
Just watch the thing. The guy is quite inspiring.(Writing as a practicing Catholic). I have muslim friends who say similar things but this guy is very articulate. Islam is not the enemy. Islamic extremists are a bigger danger to muslims than they are to us.
What record?
It isn't a phobia if the fear is rational.
Tommy Robinson is very concerned about the rise of Islamification of English towns and cities. Can anyone provide a single piece of evidence that Tommy Robinson is racist or indeed even bigoted against Muslims. He did liaise with Quilliam for some time, after all. Is Tommy Robinson perhaps the most persecuted man in England?
Yes he is.
He was just a little head of what was happening and very few wanted to hear what he was saying.
Well he certainly currently is not allowed free speech that others weekly seem to be given the right to.
We need to to stop pretending that they will fit in.
That delusion will surely destroy everything OUR culture built ! And presumably, WHY they migrated here
They fit in, but in small numbers where the dominant culture is respected. Once you propagandise people to think all cultures are equal you get all this chaos
@@AT-bq1kg I think that their numbers will grow inexorably, partly because they make money bringing more in, therefore a small number is not a realistic prospect. They will take over .
@@AT-bq1kg Precisely ! That ethno-centric, almost racist assumption that we are all identical clones, and can fit in anywhere is CAUSING all the trouble that did NOT occur, when DIFFERENCE was actually acknowledged
Being concerned about a violent ideology is not an irrational fear. It’s a common sense response to a dangerous situation.
Ha. This guy is so far removed from Islamic teaching. But lets start with ending Apostasy Laws. Freedom to leave Islam is a basic human right.
Indeed. Freedom of religion also includes Freedom from religion
Well said!
Ed Hussain is always trying to paint a pretty picture of Islam. It's a form of jihad.
@@gregorytaylor9104 He wouldn't survive in a Muslim majority country.
Out of interest, who first coined the term Islamophobia, and then blew it up until it became a thing? To me, 30 million muslims in the west paints a very different story. As for the interview between Starmer and Khan, I nearly sicked up my dinner.
What about Christophobia?
Westphobia?
Whitephobia?
Straightphobia?
Demosphobia?
They're professional victims.
They don’t have the liberal elite backing them. And everyone else is raciest for even silently thinking anything slightly putting down Islam. Even though Muslims spouting hate against Jews is totally fine
@@sirnigeloffarage9255Catholic phobia in Ulster
hu-Whiteyphobia
Doesn't exist, it's really just feminists and liberals who are ALL those things and they're seemingly the majority.
Don't get mixed up, fear off Islam is not the same as hatred of Islam.
Are you going to arrest and prosecute everyone who has ever criticised, questioned, or for that matter mocked Christianity? Of course not!
So let us be clear there is no such thing as Islamophobia any more than there is such a thing as Christianophobia, it is just an excuse to introduce a blasphemy law.
We already have perfectly good laws which protect people from hate crimes such as racial abuse or racial discrimination. Religion must be open to discussion, debate , criticism and even mockery in a free and democratic society.
Brilliantly and eloquently stated 👋
Agree
If you think "hate speech" laws are "perfectly good", blasphemy laws are not that different.
Apart from mockery I agree
@@ShankarSivarajan - these laws are rubbish and have no effect - why because the police will not enforce them. We are becoming an Islamic state 😓
Starmer is a flip-flopper; forever rowing back. His Premiership will be the final nail in UK's coffin.
Starmer pretends he likes Britain but he will do nothing to preserve its character and traditions.
Unfortunately you are Spot On❕
Don’t think they will last long to be honest but we have to build on the momentum in our country. London July 27th
Far more Muslims joined the nazis with many going the ss. And islamaphobia is not a thing, unless we can have christianaphobia. Not wanting the uk becoming another Islamic state is not racist
You can have phobia of anything but the test is whether its irrational or not. Simply disliking something is not the same as being phobic. Its simply a device to prevent discussion.
Call it what you want. Perhaps a hatred, intolerance to Islam and the people that follow this faith.
Do you even know what Islamic law is? So a society without prostitution, gambling, alcohol consumption is a bad thing?
@@samna789 1) Defining Islamophobia isn't the same as demonstrating it exists. 2) "Do you even know what Islamic law is?" I shouldn't have to. As long as you make no demands on others, they can happily live in ignorance and they will ignore you and live in peace. Unfortunately the Quran isn't written like that. The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. 3) Although apart from an occasional cider, I benefit little from those activities I do not think a ban is required. Prohibition in USA didn't work so well.
That's patently not true.
The British Indian Army was 2.5 million strong during ww2.
Close to half were Moslems of the Punjab.
@@samna789Sharia includes violent jihad against non Muslims. And this is not defensive jihad.
There is a lot to fear from islam going from past and current history.
The very concept of Islamophobia is what is intolerable. If you want to find out who rules you find out who it is that you are not allowed to criticse. Thats the trick here. Islam wants to rule and cannot tolerate criticism which is why we must be able to criticise not just Islam but everything.
Zionists are at the forefront of mass Muslim immigration to the West.
Yet again we are only allowed to frame this within the confines of how it affects other minority communities. We are never allowed to express what we want as british people, ever. God forbid anyone wants to try retain traditional christian british values - these are far right apparently - in your view literally hitler. We are getting sick of this - if people think continuing mass immigration while we have all these problems already is fine, then im afraid there is going to be one hell of a backlash.
Are we sitting ducks under Mullah Starmer❓
By the modern definition, it was "islamophobia" for Europe's nations to fight back against the Islamic invasion of the Byzantine Empire.
Yeah. And they got invaded.
They sure defended it by sacking Constantinople😂
@@tomasrocha6139the most massive own goal in history.
Labour: Accused of rape = rapist
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Why does this intelligent Muslim link Far-Right with working class, which leads to the question, is he intelligent making such a link?
Was giving a million pounds for a Muslim War Memorial fair when other Veteran Groups have to raise funds themselves?
Trooper Bear
My thoughts exactly, and why does a man who comes across as so intelligent follow the religion of Muhammad? Has he not learned who Muhammad really and truly was, how he truly lived? Willful blindness?
Yes, having unequal rights and treatment in favour of any group makes that group more of a threat and more unpopular
Moslems should pay their respects to all the war dead at the same memorials where everyone else goes.
It is an outrage and favouritism towards Islam. There will be no war memorial for Atheists. If you go to Menin gate, you can see the names of a great many Muslim men who fought for the British in WW1 (You also see a great many Muslim names on the Merchant Navy Memorial at Tower Bridge). To have a separate memorial would be disparaging and divisive.
They weren’t fighting to promote the supremacy of Christianity. Why did they fight? For the love and supremacy of the British empire? Peer pressure? Or was there no alternative employment that paid as well?
Will there be a memorial for those who fought with the Japanese to end the British Raj … only to ultimately be surely replaced by a Japanese Raj?
Not just the Menin Gate, other Commonwealth Graves Commission Cemeteries too. The Indian government did not pay War Pensions to WW2 Veterans, except for those who volunteered from PoW camps to fight for the Japanese.
I thought Starmer was married to a Jew. How offensive he must be to her.
You forget that J£ws aren't homogeneous. A lot are left leaning marxist communists. She is probably one of those, or she wouldn't have married him
They share the religion of Marxism maybe, trumps all to believers.
I thought the same
I think what's going on here Starmer is pandering to Sadiq Khan is in some way to placate him . Because khan in my opinion is a snake in the grass , playing the moderate Muslim to gain more power when a time Starmer has no way to flip flop , then Khan takes power . The way he as destroyed London , across the demographics , no one likes him , but he still got the power to control the narrative , even having the Met chief in his pocket . We will see a different Khan . There's no complete proof on my side , but going by what I see and head , I've come to this opinion simply because I'm using my free speech .
Exactly
Neither islamophobia nor antisemitism should be inherently illegal. Discrimination can reasonably be outlawed. But people must be free to vehemently disagree about religion.
Do you think antisemitism is merely a religious issue?
You think anti semitism is purely criticism of judaism? Wow
@@spm36 No. It can also be racism against ethnically Jewish people. But we should not have vague laws against antisemitic speech which don't clearly distinguish between the two.
People should be free to disagree with anything, not just religion. Banning speech because it offends people is the wrong way to go. The offended people should train instead to make rational arguments and defend themselves that way. There is antisemitism but it should not be used as a blanket ban on criticising the policies of Israel, otherwise its just the flip side of Islamophobia.
@@lumpyfishgravy No. I also think antisemitism can be a form of racism, since a person can be ethnically Jewish even if they’re not religious.
But in legislating against that racism, we must be careful not to also outlaw religious disagreement and criticism of Israel.
Is labour serious about anti-semitism?
We have a lot of room to criticise Zionism, but we are to have no room to criticise Islamist!11?
Zionist's are behind the mass Islamic invasion to the West.
Labour are modern day Nazi's
"Islamophobia is intolerable, it can never, ever be justified ..." That may be true, but only to the extent that Naziphobia is intolerable and can never, ever be justified. I don't think Sir Keir has read the holy book.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali criticise Islam a lot, she has been describe by ADL as islamaphobic!
No criticism of violent threats against her?
They think it is justified.
I wonder if we can have debate between James O’Brien and
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
And not to forget our own Salman Rushdie and the hiding in which he has been condemned to for writing❓
I don't follow every dictate of the ADL like all Liberal-Progressives they're
The sort who blindly follow those who would kill us. Obviously as they
Refuse to bring condemnation upon Rashid Tliab and Ilhan Omar as
Extremists it's all about them being Democrats being what stops them.
It's not an irrational fear, whiteaphobia is both irrational and racist however. A phobia of Marxists/Trotskyists is also not irrational. We must continue to express our freedom of belief.
I agree. All ideas can be irrational or rational but to decide which you have to present the case and discuss, which is exactly the thing they don't want you to do. Labelling everything phobic is simply a device to avoid debate. Similar device used in labelling everything as hate crime. Its perfectly reasonable to hate people who want to kill you or confiscate most of your possessions.
Blasphemy law.
Discussion on this is utterly futile when we continue to import millions and millions of more muslims. The gall Fraser has to suddently bring this topic up when he himself claims that mass immigration is a total 100% unblemished good. Truly awful thinking.
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I was thinking of voting Labour over bread and butter issues, but seeing the effects of blasphemy laws in Pakistan, this is a red line for me that will push me to vote Reform.
Great Britain created Papisthan, and now it’s turn to make the creator Papisthan❕ Is that called “poetic justice”⁉️
@@gopalramanathan7062 No the Muslims in Pakistan created Pakistan, the British and Indians went along with it because it was easier.
He wrote a very good book called Among The Mosques about how wide spread the teaching of radical Izlam is in the UK. The problem with moderate Mzlims like him is that they champion less radical Izlamic countries, but ignore the fact that in all Izlamic countries it's still illegal to be gay and women do not have equal rights. So although Palestinians will throw gay people of buildings, Qataris will just imprison them, like they have just done to British / Mexican citizen Manuel Guerrero and refused to give him his HIV medication.
Winston Churchill compared Islam to 'rabies in dogs'. Will Starmer condemn Churchill for this? Posthumously strip him of his knighthood perhaps? Churchill was a great man in my view, and many many people are in danger of being silenced by the incoming Labour government. Civilisation depends on the Freedom of Speech.
Does Sir Flipflopalot have a clue on anything?
He knows what a tool is. Women on the other hand.
NO! Vote for anyone but Labour!
Oh yes, his constant lying leaves a disturbing black hole about what he actually does believe. I doubt it’s good and I’m certain it’s radical.
Always a good question if it is idiology, ignorance (it would have to be willful in this case), rank stupidity, or machievellianism. He needs the votes, and has a party chock full of identitarian idiots, path of least resistence. I hope that currying favour with the muslim "community" will come back to bite Labour in the end. But there will be blasphemy laws and other such trouble before that comes around.
How can you put together the working class(Who are on the frontline of multicultural experiment) and the Far Right in one sweeping sentence?
I have a great deal of respect for Ed Husain, but I fear he has yet to experience his own "Red Pill" moment of awakening. That whole faith is antithetical to everything our own has generated, and NEEDS to either secularise/ undergo a 21st century enlightenment, OR migrate to one of the 56 Nations that ARE compatible to that World view
Sadly this guy is the minority. Have not seen that many muslims speaking out against the Muslim brotherhood and Iran and hamas in Britain. Frankly I believe most of them support these regimes
Yes. It’s really the majority of Muslims that are doing their religion the most damage. They stay completely quiet when the west is shocked and troubled by the actions of their more extreme elements, and we will not forget that.
Firstly Islamophobia simply does not exist - a phobia is an irrational fear and peoples growing concerns about Islam are founded on the extreme behaviour of radical Muslims who not only commit atrocities in the name of their religion but are then supported rather than criticised by so many Muslims who are not extreme - these concerns have increased dramatically over the last nine months following what happened on 7th Oct - the fact that even until today Gaza is still holding on to the Israelis they took as hostages on Oct 7th and yet organisations like the UN seem to be ignoring that crucial point just increases many peoples concerns - those concerns grow even more when vast numbers of Muslims parade through our streets supporting a war that is happening in another Country - this is virtually unprecedented - and yet people who have quite obvious reasons for their concerns about this disturbing trend are not only told they have an irrational fear but almost by implication that they are responsible for that fear - there are wars happening all over the World and Muslims are involved in many of them including wars where Muslims fight Muslims - why is there so much focus on Israel and Gaza? - the answer is as obvious as it is simple - it’s because on the face of it Muslims as and when they decide insist that we get involved - this is an insult to our history and culture but nobody accuses Muslims of having a phobia do they?
Basically I agree, although it would be possible to postulate some cases where Islamophobia could exist. Its not an impossibility. My point raised is just a technicality.
The minute someone claims that a thought, belief, or action "can never be justified", is the minute they lose any credibility
Would Islamaphobia include pointing out that the Quran contains stories mis-copied from the Bible?
For example, in the Bible, in 1 Kings 10, it says the Queen of Sheba went to visit Solomon of her own free will. Jesus mentioned her favorably. But In the Quran, in Surah 27, it says Solomon sent a talking bird to her with a threatening letter demanding she come and submit. And while she was traveling, Solomon sent a jinn to steal her throne to play a trick on her. Would pointing out that this is a fairy story be a crime?
And of course, the Quran contains passages which are not fairy stories, but clear commands to use violence against those who oppose Islam, like Surah 8:12 which says to strike the necks of the unbelievers.
You seem to know too much about Islam that you're not supposed to know. That's the dictionary definition of an Islamophobe.
R.I.P. Great Britain.
They want to go after people who have a fear?
The prophet wiped out all the Jews in Saudi Arabia
WHY ???
There was no "Saudi Arabia" at the time of the "Prophet" and Medina had a thriving Jewish community after the "Prophets' famous night journey on a flying donkey.
Because they were advocating “Islamophobia”❕
@@nuqwestr "Arabian Peninsula" was the right name there, yes.
They realised his preaching was the rehash of Judaeo Christian ,old and New Testaments, with recent Greek science and Arab savagery lies and Mafia profiteering.
@@nuqwestr You're right the name of the country "Saudi Arabia" did not exist, but the barbaric practices did exist in that part of the word and the psychotic inventor of this supremacist-political ideally was rather violent with jews, christians, zoroastrians and anyone who did not want to pay the Jizyia tax and let's remind ourselves that thousands of heads rolled to the ground soon after he arrived in Medina. So right from his arrival in Medina he became violent and the followers want to emulate him claiming he's a model to imitate. Imitation of violence over 1400 years has shown enough proofs that political Islam is dangerous.
If this man represented the prominent voice of the Muslim faith, then 99 percent of the problems would disappear.
His sycophantic über approach to Mohamed still smacks of emotional immaturity. This is what is frightening, such an erstwhile rational man being nevertheless captured by the Borg-like Islam.
At the end of the day he is still a promoter of Islam: the Quran being an inerrant moral guidebook and the behaviour of Mohamed as THE exemplar for mankind. It’s so unnerving given the content of the Quran and what Mohamed actually got up to.
It is the likes of Ridvan Aydemir, the ‘apostate prophet’ and Nuriyah Khan and Yasmine Mohamed and Ayaan Hirsi Ali that represent voices who champion the West.
All I heard was blah blah blah taqqiya, blah blah blah!
@i_wouldprefer_not_to1196
Taqqiya is a Shiite concept
No idea why we are taking religionists so seriously in Britain.
We are still an Anglican country. Did you watch the Coronation?
@@aclark903 We are a secular nation state. No, I didn’t watch the coronation.
@@nockianlifter661Our laws, justice system, values, political system (democracy) is built on Christianity. Yes we are a secular STATE, but it's all built on christain principles. This is why we don't traffic and groom minors like they do in Afghanistan, because Afghanistan are still pre Christian in their thinking.
@@AT-bq1kg how are these systems christian based? What’s so christian about law? That people swear on bibles?
@@TheKamperfoelie You need to get out more. Go travel to other countries that never developed through a Christian culture. Then you will see very clearly that our system is built on Christianity. Read the new testament as well. The ideas from the new testament never even existed before christ.
Queer Harmer is as thick as a brick.😖
We live in a tolerant CHRISTIAN country.
Ed Husain, thank you for your balanced & wise words on this matter. Starmer take note!
Talk about having your cake and eating it! :)
Islam, is a religious straight jacket...
I simply don't want to see what happened in Lebanon happen here! That doesn't mean I'm Islamophobic.
Terrible for us ALL!!... :(
Islamophobia is fear of religion. Mankind has every reason to fear religion.
There are many Muslim academics like this gentleman here. Some even criticising the certain aspects of Islam. All nations made up from atheists, Christians, Muslims and many other beliefs. They can care, protect and cherish each other. What unites them is belonging to the same nation. They do advocate for each other’s rights. They even risk prosecution for other people’s rights. It can be done. And I know few doing it already. But it cannot work with people who are chanting death to others or wishing to demolish the democracy.
I get the feeling that Starmer is never incharge when in a room with Khan.
I'm against the violence and inhumanity that is far too commonly linked to this religion
But that’s what they stand for as non negotiable principles.
Keir Starmer is not an historian, he does not realise how what he is proposing will harm many muslims, and is totally against tolerance and reasonable debate. Then again he was a member of the Haldane society so open mindedness, and support for an open society is possibly not high on his world view…. be careful what you wish for.
there is no such thing as islamophobia because that implies it is irrational
Antipathy has a place in everyday life. It's not problematic to be antipathetic towards bad things.
Why special treatment for Islam.
Votes.
You can criticize Judaism and Christianity but you can’t criticize Islam? How exactly does that work?
Too bad we can't see the number of dislikes.
Since I chose Christ I have been accused of being racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, and had people try to destroy my business with reviews stating false accusations. Is this law going to protect me as a Christian as well? Because currently it's open season on us Christians.
exactly not mention the xystiwn almost set alight in speakers corner but this nob not saying anything about thst
The guy got off to a bad start when he said that the two world wars were fought for freedom and democracy, the causes of those catastrophic conflicts were complicated, but the first world war in particular was not fought for freedom and democracy.
I guess it is irrational for a homosexual person, an apostate or an atheist to fear an ideology that would unalive it...
4:48 In America the Islamic lobby is CAIR. "Council of American-Islamic Relations". They are funding, in part, some the campus demonstrations.
As islamophobia doesn't exist how can you ban it?
It will be redefined so that it does exist. Just as racism has to redefined to avoid implicating the people who complain about it the most.
If only all Muslims were as brave as Ed Husain.
Outlawing criticism of Islam or any other religion is no different to outlawing criticism of the Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or any other political parties. These are beliefs and like all beliefs must be open to discussion, criticism and yes ridicule.
Is it technically correct to use the the word Homophobia and Islamophobia
to describe murder, violence, hard offenses and the likes, that are all punished by law.
Why to outlaw homophobia and islamophobia, when every crime you describe is already outlawed.
Homophobia and isalmophobia is a mental status of fear or insecurity. It hurts nobody.
It only leads to staying in the own group. What an idiotic idea to outlaw fear
and the wish to stay in homogenous neighbourhoods without crime.
Its part of a wider problem of elevating purely subjective crimes to the same level as actual crimes which physically occur. Speaking the truth, and making factually accurate statements should always be a valid defence, irrespective of whether it offends someone.
That phrase he keeps using, “Let one thousand flowers bloom”. I can’t help but think of Mao’s similarly named campaign, which was just a ruse to flush out dissidents…
9:40 There was nothing about blasphemy, when Pakistan was created. Censorship has only recently come in relatively recently.
Yes, it was all sweetness and light, for well over 1000 years, especially around the Eastern Mediterranean. :)
Great conversation both. It’s rare to hear this subject discussed with a Muslim who has an opinion I’ve never heard before. Usually we only hear one narrative from the media. The subject is complex and multifaceted.
He must have a death wish. And he knows that he can only freely express these views in a what is still a Christian society.
Keir Starmer and Labour’s position on protecting Islam from criticism has grave implications on changing the nature of society. I don’t think Starmer has a clue about the strength in numbers of the Muslim community in Britain and Europe.
Are we sure that The Spectator is a Conservative newspaper any more? Agnès Poirier's recent article in the Spectator did the UK down with very biased talking points. The UK thinks it is 50% Muslim. Is this because in Muslim Enclaves they report thinking that the UK is a Muslim country, in the 90%. It is not the native people of England that are deluded but our immigrants. She reports that we have an overly forgiving view of our history, while are neo Marxist Historians talk us down. Talks of overly harsh policies towards "asylum seekers" with the Rwanda Bill that has deported 1 person. Rwanda was always a smoke screen to hide complete inaction.
This weeks edition has Nick Robinson A BBC wokeriti jewel.
Fraser, informs us that it is notoriously difficult to get the views of British Muslims. Muslims in Britain seem remarkably willing to tell us how anti British values they are. Poll after Poll informs us of this. If anything, the problem must be worse as more politically astute Muslims must play down views that they know to be unpopular when responding to polls.
Yesterday I heard someone describe Keir Starmer as a "human windsock". God help us all if Starmer and co are able to bring this law in. But then the UK has been getting more and more like East Germany for a long time now. It is perfectly rational to fear something which represents an existential threat to western civilisation, as many have stated in this comments section.
What a terrifying couple and to think they’ll be in Government, leading the charge soon. God help us
Islamophobia is not unjustified. I can't stand Starmer or Khan.
Perhaps one should listen to Caroline Glick, JNS org explaining Islam, to get a balanced picture of current sentiment and the aims of what has been called radical Islam.
How come thereare no claims about hinduphobia christophobia suhkiphobia buddhistphobia ? Why is the alleged phobia only about one group throughout europe?
Yes, "If we don't think freely we loose our ability to be citicens."
Yes it hurts, to se the founders of religions being thrown into dirt,
but otherways we were theocracies not democracies.
We need reform
It's literally like suggesting the Native Americans were "Anglophobic".
Charlie Hebdo stickers.
Charlie Hebdo stickers.
Charlie Hebdo stickers.
I'm serious.
Charlie Hebdo stickers, everywhere, now.
Je Suis Charlie.
There are laws already in Britten against racism. We are free in the UK to critise any religion that should not be changed. That's the freedom we have in the UK
"Millions of muslims died for Britain in the 1st and 2nd World Wars....." ????
When did this latest fiction occur and where, pray tell??
AFAIK, there were some colonial Muslim troops. Hardly ever used, and not in millions.
Two and half million Indian Muslim's fighting for the British empire's..
@@rashidrahman9673 Where, when?
Is this a serious question?
@@allovdem Was that a serious statement about those millions dead?
The general thrust of this is very reasonable. It's best not to state that millions of moslems died fighting for freedom in the World Wars. . In the First war the Ottomans were part of the German coalition. The Indian Army when deployed in both wars would have large numbers of moslems, although the majority were Hindu. As was correctly stated these troops were ""voluntary " in the sense that they were professional soldiers and not conscripts. There ideology would be professional and imperial rather than liberal.
The questioner is correct in the question he poses about the nature of the "mass " moslem electorate. The vast majority are migratory and deeply connected to their to their homelands. Their motives for moving to non moslem societies is purely economic and promotional . They are composed of the peasantry from Afro-Asia . Like poorer Europeans in the previous two centuries .They haven't moved to integrate into the society new lands . They take and strive to preserve their culture and their religion which are completely bound together. Hence their mind sets are colonial.
I also take issue with the speaker on the blasphemy laws . These haven't operated for at least centuries in the Uk if not much longer. The reasons moslems didn't enter European societies was that militarily. after the Middle Ages. they couldn't. force their way in although the Ottoman did establish imperial control over much of eastern Christian Europe.
There was no space or opportunity for poor moslems to move to European societies. until after the Second World War when it was legally possible to migrate. usually from colonial territory into the European. metropolitan centre. This coincided with a shortages of unskilled labour and the rise of welfare societies . The significance of NHS should never be underestimated or of other European health systems . None of these exist for the billions of poor moslems that live in moslem.
'My daughters wear hijab.' Do his sons cover themselves up too? Why is he not veiled up? Oh right, the rules of Islam are different for women.
9:06 dude needs to talk to Tommy... Clueless
We're all equal, but some are more equal than others.
This is what happens when you have no integrity; you do what's expedient for yourself and your immediate interests.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. A proclamation by the pigs who control the government in the novel Animal Farm, by George Orwell .
He'll saying anything to keep the Muslim vote. He won't protect women only places though. Says a lot about his character.
A very honourable man doesn't want laws to protect his ideology (Islam). I'm a Christian and our ideology has been open to criticism for at least 200 years or more, and has been openly mocked and I don't want any protection laws. In fact I thank the scholars that researched the Bible to try disprove it. Their work has helped pave the way to build a stronger historical narrative for the new testament. It easy to believe your worldview is correct when it isn't challenged. But it much better putting it to the test.
No phobia should be against the law. Violent actions and calls to violence should be against the law
Given that Islamic texts require the spreading of Islam, by force if necessary, and these are easily referenceable it makes me wonder how you could have Islamophobia laws without also banning the texts. Otherwise you could make an argument against Islam simply by quoting its own material. Do Muslims want this material banned?
Should we also make arachnophobia, claustrophobia and agoraphobia illegal too?
Or should we just simply recognise that the word featured in this vid is a meaningless and nonsensical term specifically and maliciously created by members of a certain religion to shut down valid and free criticism of that certain religion.
No thanks, I don't want to be forced to wear a veil or sheets as I go about my day, I like my freedom thank you very much