Japan's Sherman Hunter, the Chi-Ri | Cursed by Design

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    When most people think of Japanese tanks from the second world war it's quite similar to their reaction to Italian tanks of that period. Small, underpowered tanks with weak armaments incapable of competing against the vehicles fielded by other nations. In most cases this would be true, but towards the end of the war the Japanese began multiple projects in an attempt to combat the allied armor. In future videos we will discuss all of these projects but for today's episode we’ll be taking a look at the story of the Type 5 Chi-Ri.
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Komentáře • 990

  • @ConeOfArc
    @ConeOfArc  Před 3 lety +290

    Thanks to "The Modern Frontiersman" for sponsoring this video. Go check out their channel: czcams.com/video/svHVFlbpQfI/video.html

    • @noahezer9295
      @noahezer9295 Před 3 lety +6

      Plsss next video be the MBT 70 okay😊🙏🙏

    • @romanthenumeral9497
      @romanthenumeral9497 Před 3 lety +2

      hell yeah id love to learn more about the mbt70

    • @novanchiem4643
      @novanchiem4643 Před 3 lety +3

      U tell the Chi-Ri is the sherman hunter but still don't have enough armor to defend itself from the sherman :v

    • @Bias5
      @Bias5 Před 3 lety +2

      Do chi nu please!

    • @ognjenstepanovic3121
      @ognjenstepanovic3121 Před 3 lety +1

      Can you do the Novi Sad sherman.

  • @galladesamurai2380
    @galladesamurai2380 Před 3 lety +1268

    Fun fact: The Chi-Ri is about the same size as the Tiger ll
    Let that sink in for a moment

    • @daruween1398
      @daruween1398 Před 3 lety +176

      oh god oh fuck

    • @norad_clips
      @norad_clips Před 3 lety +288

      Indeed, sink into the mud

    • @sinthoras1306
      @sinthoras1306 Před 3 lety +265

      *HOLY MASSIVE MOLY* if Seen the Tiger II in reality, how, how could they have produced a Tank this big, whit armor and armament this weak.

    • @RG-fc7ht
      @RG-fc7ht Před 3 lety +210

      @@sinthoras1306 Because the IJN ate up all the budget and resources which with the whole debacle of the battle of midway and beyond. Not a lot of resources for tanks or really anything.

    • @troutwarrior6735
      @troutwarrior6735 Před 3 lety +75

      But it only has 75mm of non sloped armor! WTF!

  • @fabovondestory
    @fabovondestory Před 3 lety +2567

    Italy: I got the worst tanks!
    Japan: No, I got the worst tank!
    China: You guys got tanks?

    • @leutnantin408
      @leutnantin408 Před 3 lety +136

      At least they got German panzer I lol

    • @ilovepanzer3930
      @ilovepanzer3930 Před 3 lety +92

      Whelp pz.I with two dp-28s if those are even tanks

    • @amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544
      @amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 Před 3 lety +105

      @@ilovepanzer3930 I don’t believe they are tanks. If it’s only mgs then it would be considered a Tankette

    • @ilovepanzer3930
      @ilovepanzer3930 Před 3 lety +41

      @@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 well the communists do have some captured Japanese tanks but we the R.O.C only have those pz.1s which aren’t even pz.Is and maybe some outdated m60s nowadays...
      Yeah talk about fighting back to the mainland.My life is a joke

    • @mrducky179
      @mrducky179 Před 3 lety +43

      @@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 im sure tankettes are classified by weight and not their armament

  • @whirving
    @whirving Před 3 lety +573

    A crappy tank is a monster when there are no tanks or guns to oppose it. The Imperial Japanese army were brilliant about getting their "crappy" tanks into the fight. They were pretty effective in Burma and the Philippines early on.

    • @forbeshutton5487
      @forbeshutton5487 Před 3 lety +95

      The ability to use tanks was very limited in the Pacific. Roads and railroad tracks were often the only way to move them between mountains, jungles, swamps, etc, and that would make them easy prey for air or artillery attack. The smaller bridges along the roads and railways also meant that even the "best" routes for the tacks were unusable without major engineering.
      Add in the logistics of island fighting, getting tanks ashore, even at major ports was a problem, but it would take huge amounts of resources to keep a tank moving on the offence ( a tank could consume about half what a small landing craft would carry just in fuel in a day, then you have to get it from the shore to the tank...). On defense, which Japan was by the time these tanks were being considered, bunkers take a fraction of the manpower and resources to construct and require nothing more over time.

    • @oldfrend
      @oldfrend Před 2 lety +33

      @@forbeshutton5487 the japanese investing in tanks was pretty pointless in the pacific campaign, particularly fighting a defensive war severely short on raw materials. they were probably better off investing in light anti-tank guns and rockets, and lots of them. but generals inevitably have their glory projects, come hell or high water. and hell came.

    • @Jordan-Ramses
      @Jordan-Ramses Před 2 lety +18

      That should be the plan. Tanks are cavalry. If they're stuck in a fixed battle you aren't using them correctly. Using them as expensive artillery is sub optimal. Or like the Soviets. Drive them directly into artillery fire and expect them to win somehow.

    • @randyhavard6084
      @randyhavard6084 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't forget, their crappy tanks really did a number on those Chinese peasants too

    • @madensmith7014
      @madensmith7014 Před rokem +9

      This is all true except that the "crappy" tanks were designed for China and were more effective there than the Pacific

  • @Jowjoejoe
    @Jowjoejoe Před 3 lety +1062

    "People think that Japanese tanks are incapable, which in most case is true"
    Cries in Chinese bought panzer 1 and 2

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe Před 3 lety +143

      @Kingston Wang I'm pretty sure they traded raw material with Germany before WW2. There is hundreds of pictures of Chinese troops in german gear down to the gas masks.

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms Před 3 lety +99

      @@Jowjoejoe Germany had a lot of military advisors deployed to China, and gave them a lot of equipment because they were fighting the communists

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe Před 3 lety +39

      "In August 1934, the Treaty for the Exchange of Chinese Raw Materials and Agricultural Products of German Industrial and Other Products was signed in which China would trade strategically important raw material for German industrial products and development. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1926%E2%80%931941)#German_aid_to_industrialization_of_China

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe Před 3 lety +28

      @Kingston Wang May I remind you that before the industrial revolution China was the biggest economy in the world? They have a bunch of resources which is what led to all those invasions.

    • @Jowjoejoe
      @Jowjoejoe Před 3 lety +22

      @Kingston Wang Industrial capability and resources are not the same thing...

  • @Jo2h_
    @Jo2h_ Před 3 lety +593

    Guys this tank is actually goated

  • @johnhughes2653
    @johnhughes2653 Před 2 lety +63

    I've always thought that one of the reasons that Japanese tanks tended to be so small and lightly armoured was the fact that their planned expansion involved a lot of island hopping. Therefore, the tanks needed to be easily transported by ship & landing craft. Additionally, there is the fact that a lot of jungle warfare would be expected, so smaller tanks would have an advantage in negotiating roads that were little more that dirt paths through dense jungle.

    • @galil_6863
      @galil_6863 Před 7 měsíci +1

      But the Chi-Ri was the size of a Tiger II...

  • @Ribbon_13
    @Ribbon_13 Před 3 lety +186

    I forget what exact tank it is but I met a guy who owned a tank collection and he had a Japanese tank. While he was restoring it they kept punching wholes through the armor trying to fix the bullet holes. He ended up taking a piece to a metallurgy expert and found out that parts of the tank were made of nickle

    • @Mr-Trox
      @Mr-Trox Před 3 lety +53

      It was probably the Ha-Go or Chi-Ha, those were the most common Japanese tanks.
      I think I remember seeing a picture of a knocked out Chi-Ha being strapped to the engine of an M4 Sherman. It looked so ridiculous.

    • @Ribbon_13
      @Ribbon_13 Před 3 lety +16

      @@Mr-Trox looked it up, it was a Ha-Go

    • @erzhaider
      @erzhaider Před 2 lety

      What parts were made of nickel? Structural parts not affected by direct gunfire or parts of the actual armor?

    • @Ribbon_13
      @Ribbon_13 Před 2 lety +13

      @@erzhaider armor was nickel

    • @erzhaider
      @erzhaider Před 2 lety +2

      @@Ribbon_13 very interesting, thank you

  • @yi_hou3092
    @yi_hou3092 Před 3 lety +366

    What would the Chi-Ri and Chi-To's Type 5 Gun be the Equivalent too exactly my bet is on the German 75 L/70

    • @ConeOfArc
      @ConeOfArc  Před 3 lety +162

      From what I saw while researching it was considered relatively equivalent to the Panthers 75

    • @thesnazzycomet
      @thesnazzycomet Před 3 lety +51

      @@ConeOfArc somewhere between the Sherman 76 and Panther 75

    • @qingyunwang3802
      @qingyunwang3802 Před 3 lety +45

      It's comparable to the M1 76mm on Shermans. The gun is based on a 1920s Swedish design and is certainly inferior in terms of penetration to 88mm kwk 36 let alone 75mm kwk 42.

    • @user-bo1ej5im9t
      @user-bo1ej5im9t Před 3 lety +3

      Cheeto

    • @EstellammaSS
      @EstellammaSS Před 3 lety +9

      @@ConeOfArc nope, at least not in terms of anti-tank performance.
      75mm/1000m is worse than the US 76mm M1
      It would have problems even against the Sherman at longer distance

  • @Arthion
    @Arthion Před 3 lety +54

    Well, one of things I like about Japanese tank design is that once high command realised they needed something new and sent some actual funding down to R&D after having knee-capped it almost a decade earlier the advancements came at a very high rate. Even the Type 4 Chi-To is actually pretty decent if only 'too little, too late'.
    Edit: Also unfortunate that the US scrapped it. It'd made a pretty cool museum piece.

  • @tristenthomas7352
    @tristenthomas7352 Před 3 lety +136

    The auto loader on the Chi-Ri 2 has saved me more times than I can count on WT

  • @SnepBlepVR
    @SnepBlepVR Před 3 lety +101

    I just love how of the tanks in battlefield V the Japanese tanks are the most op period.. I watched a type 97 take on by itself a Sherman and two LVTs and the damn thing won against the Sherman an LVT and most of the second one.. the only thing that saved the third one was some punk with a lunge mine

    • @Seraphil1
      @Seraphil1 Před 3 lety +20

      Sounds like they had the 75mm gun upgrade that changes the Type 97 Chi-Ha to a Type 3 Chi-Nu. Kinda wish the designation changed with it

    • @josten8044
      @josten8044 Před 2 lety

      @@Seraphil1 I found sticking with the 57mm and just going after the AP rounds is the best option for the Chi-Ha. The smaller turret makes you a smaller target, and with the right camo the enemy team might not see you. Personally the gun upgrades are overrated because the turrets are big targets for the enemy tanks. I had a game on Iwo Jima and got 14 tank kills. When I went to rearm, a Sherman pulled up next to me but didn't even notice I was next to him, I still managed to take him down.

  • @agentepolaris4914
    @agentepolaris4914 Před 3 lety +565

    The Japanese weren't ignorant about tank building, they just did what they could with their limited resources.

    • @m10tankdestroyer94
      @m10tankdestroyer94 Před 3 lety +241

      I'm sorry but you misspelled "They directed all their funds to the navy instead"

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 Před 3 lety +166

      @@m10tankdestroyer94 well, yeah. But being an archipelago I think that was a rather obvious choice.
      Besides they rarely faced Americans on land battles and their tanks were fairly good for the other other enemy they were fighting: the Chinese.

    • @myDickbiG
      @myDickbiG Před 3 lety +41

      japanese tanks are designed for cavalry tactics

    • @essexclass8168
      @essexclass8168 Před 3 lety +60

      actually they purposely shut down their tank dev around the 1930s cause someone fucked up in Manchuria by using them wrong
      then had to restart late

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 Před 3 lety +25

      @@essexclass8168 I'd like to know more about that fuck up in Manchuria. I alwasy thought they did it jus because corrupt Navy officers were the majority in the governing junta.

  • @bendrenth441
    @bendrenth441 Před 3 lety +153

    I actually like the overall silhouette. It looks pretty modern compared to some of the other early cold war. The spacious turret and the autoloader mechanism is something I like too. Plenty of room for ammo, crew and the idea of the autoloader just being there to help speed up the firing rate of the main cannon in short bursts is something I really appreciate compared to other systems where they feed straight from the ammo storage to the cannon. If the autoloader breaks for some reason, the loader crewmate can still keep the gun firing.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank Před 3 lety +11

      I dont think the chi ri was intended to have an autoloader

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop Před 3 lety +19

      @@DeliveryTank
      indeed, there was absolutely NO auto-loader
      And overall, this tank and its variants, was another display of how little ww2 Japan understood tank warfare.

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting Před 3 lety +6

      Of course the large flat and almost vertical surfaces also made the tank rather vulnerable.
      Not enough slope to really matter, and Japanese steel didn't have the quality to make good armour so they'd ideally need all the slope they could get.

    • @thegamingzilla6269
      @thegamingzilla6269 Před 3 lety +2

      @@krixpop a revised version of the Chi-Ri platform, known as the Chi-Ri II, would have an autoloader, but it was very basic, being a 3 shot hand fed magazine that had to be hand loaded

    • @brute6896
      @brute6896 Před 3 lety +7

      @@krixpop well I mean they had a bit of small pieces of steel with cardboard and a few staples because they kept giving the steel to the navy

  • @mikep3180
    @mikep3180 Před 3 lety +231

    I also like how during the war the Germans got the memo and started adding sloped armor but the Japanese were like no fuck that

    • @gunserhallo5506
      @gunserhallo5506 Před 3 lety +79

      No, Japanese were aware of that but they didn’t have such a capable industrial power to do that in fact late Japanese tank had some proposal to use sloped armoir but quickly refused because it is impossible for Japanese to mass product sloped armour tanks. Limited resource and weak industrial power came to their mind.

    • @jackp7727
      @jackp7727 Před 3 lety +7

      Yeah it’s irritating, ik it’s a game and all but in warthunder whenever I play the chi Nu, chi to or chi Ri it annoys me because the 2 plates on the front could have easily been made into one sloped plate which would have made them much more survivable

    • @liviuganea4108
      @liviuganea4108 Před 3 lety +62

      They didn't "get the memo". Germany WAS aware of sloped armor. They just didn't think the massive decrease in space, difficulty in manufacture was worth the slight increase in effectiveness. When that effectiveness was needed (Panther and Tiger 2) the negatives were deemed acceptable.

    • @shadowraven3253
      @shadowraven3253 Před 3 lety +3

      @@liviuganea4108 I think cause they also build bigger negating the first problem.

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs Před 3 lety +1

      Japan: i noticed but fuck it, imma waste all my resources on *Ships*

  • @FairyNya
    @FairyNya Před 3 lety +47

    i just thought about it, next episode of cursed by design should be “cursed by design: war thunder”

  • @gandsproductions5105
    @gandsproductions5105 Před 3 lety +30

    I've heard that the ho-ri with sloped armour wasn't even real and that the picture surfaced in the 70s.

  • @rubberwoody
    @rubberwoody Před 3 lety +91

    the Chi-to is one of the best looking imperial japanese tanks. Then you have this chunky boi

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf Před 3 lety +20

      The planned production for the Chi-To is even more sexy with smaller turret placed in the center and slightly sloped armor around its hull.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank Před 3 lety +2

      I like the sloped front Ho Ri and chi to more but ok

    • @Doman9191
      @Doman9191 Před 3 lety +2

      Chi-Nu is best looking to me

    • @Penha-yz8vj
      @Penha-yz8vj Před 2 lety +1

      wait until you see the O-I

  • @Teh0X
    @Teh0X Před 3 lety +18

    Chi-He - > Chi-Nu - > Chi-Nu II upgrade was impressive. Such small 20 ton tank with a capable gun would have the ideal for Japanese home islands back then.

  • @scockery
    @scockery Před 3 lety +127

    "Sherman Hunter" is an odd name for a Japanese guy.

  • @aymanayad7230
    @aymanayad7230 Před 3 lety +280

    "Sherman hunter" is only moderately better than the late Shermans

    • @mikepette4422
      @mikepette4422 Před 3 lety +54

      not even sure they are "better" in an overall sense just the gun is better than the Sherman 75mm can't say it's better than the 76mm

    • @aymanayad7230
      @aymanayad7230 Před 3 lety +26

      @@mikepette4422 the gun does have slightly better penetration than the 76 in most circumstances,thats about it

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf Před 3 lety +12

      But does it change the fact that it would still have no trouble lolpen the Sherman after all that is the entire reason why this tank existed to begin with.

    • @aymanayad7230
      @aymanayad7230 Před 3 lety +52

      @@i_nameless_i-jgsdf the sherman won't have trouble penning its flat armor lookin ass either,and Sherman have stabilizers and easy eights would just laugh at them

    • @i_nameless_i-jgsdf
      @i_nameless_i-jgsdf Před 3 lety +10

      @@aymanayad7230
      Again how does it change the fact that this tank was meant to take on the Sherman hence the title ''Sherman hunter'' i never said the Sherman can't pen it or even compard both tanks, the fck are you even trying ? lol

  • @aaronlillis7932
    @aaronlillis7932 Před 3 lety +18

    I would love if you did a cursed by design on ships of the era

  • @jeannedarcalterberserker8620

    Japanese tanks are so interesting 👍 their stories are so interesting. How bout the O-I next?

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 Před 3 lety +4

      I think he already has a vudeo about the O-I

    • @leopard2a466
      @leopard2a466 Před 3 lety +6

      @@agentepolaris4914 link?

    • @averageebran
      @averageebran Před 3 lety +2

      @@Nomad0311 They were cruel,but not everyone.

    • @adenmitchell7633
      @adenmitchell7633 Před 3 lety

      No

    • @anm10wolvorinenotapanther32
      @anm10wolvorinenotapanther32 Před 2 lety +3

      The O-I will be rather hard to work on considering every information you can know about the tank will be contradicted by other sources time and time again. Nobody is even sure how the one prototype of the tank was destroyed

  • @jaredrevis4594
    @jaredrevis4594 Před 3 lety +9

    Great appreciation for going over this vehicle. The Japanese, particularly their tanks, are often reduced to simple-minded memes and as we can see from Italy this can't entirely be reduced to a language barrier with sources. I got my hands on a few Japanese magazines about it, and on the Chi-To, though those magazines are the hardest texts I've tried reading.
    I especially appreciate your dispelling the 88mm gun myth. It's a shame that even such big names as Zaloga have been repeating it. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't in part because of some naive attempt to make it out as Japan's Tiger. The obsession with that vehicle is a problem in itself...

  • @jose-if7yw
    @jose-if7yw Před 3 lety +3

    Love the sponsor Channel thanks for introducing me to them.

  • @lymarromero895
    @lymarromero895 Před 3 lety +10

    I remember this tank in Sudden Strike: Iwo Jima, this was an absolute beast...
    *NOW TALK ABOUT HISTORIC INACCURACY!*

  • @sandville2396
    @sandville2396 Před 2 lety

    This is such a high quality video in every way. From the POV rides from War Thunder, to the detailled content research, to the background music. This channel will blow up, good job mate.

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa Před 2 lety

    Great vid ConeofArc, fascinating stuff about the Chi-Ri.

  • @donpegar2645
    @donpegar2645 Před 3 lety +8

    The problem with the chi-to was that when there got hit it turned into a chi-puff.

  • @patricklynch9574
    @patricklynch9574 Před 3 lety +25

    Dammit now I want Cheetos.🤣

  • @getdunced631
    @getdunced631 Před 3 lety +2

    One thing to note is that Chi-Nu didn't arise directly from Chi-He. Failure to deliver a design quickly enough for Chi-To and Chi-Ri meant a stopgap tank featuring a 75mm AT gun was to built as quickly as possible. Resulting in Chi-Nu. This is why blueprints or rather renditions of the first Chi-To/Ri ideas feature what would become the Chi-Nu turret. Additionally the naming conventions used by Japan notably has Chi-Nu meanjng 10th Medium, Chi-Ri as 9th Medium, and Chi-To as the 7th. Chi-Chi or 8th Medium was not adopted due to being confusing.

  • @gearchallenge7555
    @gearchallenge7555 Před 3 lety

    VERY objective reporting and major KUDOS!!!

  • @PhongChu-vm2ql
    @PhongChu-vm2ql Před 3 lety +6

    Maybe do a video about japanese amphibious tanks next ? You can consider doing about O-I (or Mi-To), it would definitely attract a lot of interests

  • @carized8852
    @carized8852 Před 3 lety +17

    I never knew that the Ho-Ri with the center mounted casemate was called the Ho-Ri II. Wargaming had lied to me. Then again I'm not surprised. And assumed the Ho-Ri production/prototype used a different hull and not a Chi-Ri cause the sloped front. And Wargaming called that tank the Ho-Ri TII. Eh not a big deal, just a tank game.

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Před 3 lety +7

      To be fair sources on the Ho-Ri are weird and inconsistent. Also Wargaming does love it's paper tanks.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank Před 3 lety +1

      You moron, the Ho Ri with the center casemate is called the Ho Ri ll. The one with the casemate at the back is the Ho Ri l

    • @AJ-170SkyStriker
      @AJ-170SkyStriker Před 3 lety +1

      I wouldn't expect more from a company who calls the Object 726 an Object 279 (e)

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank Před 3 lety

      Nvm, just looked that the names in wotb and you were right

  • @harlech2
    @harlech2 Před 3 lety

    As usual, great video. Love your vids!

  • @yashovardhanakiran4005

    nice video.really liked the fact that you research your points.

  • @argxz4200
    @argxz4200 Před 3 lety +6

    I feel like the Chi Ri has had so much attention in the last month

  • @largegummyhitman5786
    @largegummyhitman5786 Před 3 lety +38

    *Meanwhile in an alternate timeline where war drags on for longer*
    Japanese tank commander: Finally we can fight Shermans
    *Patton tank spots chi-ri*
    Patton tank commander: Imma end this man's whole career

    • @unusualincidentsunit7428
      @unusualincidentsunit7428 Před 3 lety

      You mean m26 Pershing and m47 Patton?

    • @largegummyhitman5786
      @largegummyhitman5786 Před 2 lety

      @@unusualincidentsunit7428 ye as most of the Korean War era tanks were still only in testing during the near end of the war so this project of the war had dragged on for longer would have still been fucked one way or another

    • @ReviveHF
      @ReviveHF Před rokem

      Patton tanks included M103 Heavy Tank as well, it can fire the most powerful APBC round in the world.

    • @jackcausey1449
      @jackcausey1449 Před 5 měsíci

      M46 not m47

  • @historymapping6628
    @historymapping6628 Před 3 lety

    Man. just when i was searching for something good about Chi-Ri's. Great Video!

  • @IronSalamander8
    @IronSalamander8 Před 2 lety +2

    Speaking of World of Tanks, I enjoyed the Chi-Ri with the autoloader main gun option. Big target with not so hot armor, but that rapid-fire popgun served me well!
    I have the Osprey book on Japanese tanks that mentions this and so many of their other vehicles and projects. Very interesting stuff.

  • @cducks0178
    @cducks0178 Před 3 lety +4

    Love these videos

  • @matthewmerriott4483
    @matthewmerriott4483 Před 3 lety +21

    Love this channel always plenty of videos and content I love.
    On a side note if Cone Sees this comment can you do an object 279 video?
    Edit: Anyone else just like listening to Cone talk? It's a soothing voice.

    • @robinkhn2547
      @robinkhn2547 Před 3 lety

      World of Tanks player spotted, am I right?

    • @matthewmerriott4483
      @matthewmerriott4483 Před 3 lety

      @@robinkhn2547 I do indeed play but have gotten into war thunder and am starting to prefer it.

    • @DeliveryTank
      @DeliveryTank Před 3 lety

      What obj 279. The russian heavy with the turret on the back of the hull?

    • @matthewmerriott4483
      @matthewmerriott4483 Před 3 lety

      @@DeliveryTank no the heavy designed to withstand a nuke with quad tracks

  • @bluemouse5039
    @bluemouse5039 Před 2 lety +2

    What the Japanese needed more than a heavy tank was an effective light weight and mobile anti-tank weapon for their infantry like a recoilless rifle in 75 mm or larger or a panzer Faust type weapon, even if their new heavy tank was on equal with allied types, at that point of the war Japan could not make enough of those tanks
    to make any difference, also they lacked the steel and production capabilities to be making tanks and needed all their efforts toward just meeting their basic needs like ammunition and more practical weapons like mortars, machine guns,

  • @dun0790
    @dun0790 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video thank you

  • @whirlwindgaming6973
    @whirlwindgaming6973 Před 3 lety +8

    It's a little funny how the Germans needed tank hunters to take out rare Soviet monsters like the IS series, and the Japanese made them to counter literally one of the most produced tanks in history.

  • @williamgandarillas2185
    @williamgandarillas2185 Před 3 lety +36

    2:39
    Didn’t know that Cheetos created Japanese Guns during WW2 ;-)

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs Před 3 lety +4

      @phantasm the tall man i think you misspelled “a cringey joke”

  • @YourLocalHistoryNerd
    @YourLocalHistoryNerd Před 3 lety +1

    my favorite series on the channel

  • @monticore1626
    @monticore1626 Před 3 lety +2

    I think most content creators just don't research Japanese tanks due to the language barrier thankyou for pushing past that and making this video

  • @beachside1
    @beachside1 Před 3 lety +3

    I was just there with my German lineup in war thunder. The Ho Ri on war thunder shows it having a 105mm cannon

  • @the7observer
    @the7observer Před 3 lety +22

    6:27 - probably because the americans classified their tanks in light, medium, heavy by weight and not by role. So a Panther would be considered a heavy tank by american standarts while Germany used the classification by role

    • @shadowraven3253
      @shadowraven3253 Před 3 lety +1

      Isn't the pershing in the second world war a heavy for the US until later on?

    • @the7observer
      @the7observer Před 3 lety

      @@shadowraven3253 I have no idea if the US military changed it's nomenclature for tanks after WW2

    • @badgermcbadger1968
      @badgermcbadger1968 Před 3 lety

      @@shadowraven3253 i think i heard somewhere that they changed the classification of the pershing to heavy to increase troop morale but im not sure

    • @InfernusdomniAZ
      @InfernusdomniAZ Před 3 lety +1

      @@shadowraven3253 the Pershing was classified as a heavy tank during world war two but after America and Britain saw the IS-3 at the victory parades and collectively shat themselves they both immediately started making heavier tanks to compete and the Pershing was reclassified as a medium.

  • @yattaran1484
    @yattaran1484 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the photo of very last image of type 5 tank with some german panzers in the field. I've never seen that photo before !.😮

  • @williamotani8892
    @williamotani8892 Před 3 lety

    This is the first time I have seen a youtube channel be a sponsor

  • @mahouaniki4043
    @mahouaniki4043 Před 3 lety +5

    Unfortunately (or fortunately for others), most of their steel were used to build Navy battleships. Tanks were kinda treated as "disliked step-son".

    • @MarketChange
      @MarketChange Před 3 lety +4

      Imagine how many Ha Go's they would have produced with the steel of Musashi and Yamato...

    • @yobob591
      @yobob591 Před 3 lety +2

      I mean, to be entirely fair most of their fighting was on islands where tanks struggle and against China who basically didn’t have tanks, so they really made the right choice not wasting time making Tiger IIs or other big beefy things like Germany

    • @Blei1986
      @Blei1986 Před 2 lety +1

      @@yobob591 true. instead of tanks they should have copied the bazooka or panzerfaust for their island warfare.
      not the stupid lungemine... lmao

  • @ambientghost2291
    @ambientghost2291 Před 3 lety +8

    Next japanese tank, Chi-ri-Os.

  • @alexdivision4320
    @alexdivision4320 Před 3 lety +2

    I love that Men of War has both the Ho Ri 1 and 2

  • @tino897
    @tino897 Před rokem +1

    The Ho-Ri line is depicted in some way in World of Tanks Blitz. Type 1-3. You can see them if you want. Probably not at all real by Type 2 but still something.

  • @Zero-zb5ij
    @Zero-zb5ij Před 3 lety +3

    Fun Fact: The Japanese felt as though they didn't need to have large tanks and focused solely on infantry fighting tanks because they territories they occupied often were dense jungles and small islands with little to no suitable terrain for large vehicles, but they made up for this by having large emplacement guns that they can conceal in major pathways into occupied islands. At the time, they didn't believe that tanks were a significant threat to their territory other than mainland territory which most of their tanks were deployed

  • @sevrela
    @sevrela Před 3 lety +3

    Documentary about arl44 when

  • @BurningBlazeBaguette
    @BurningBlazeBaguette Před 3 lety +1

    Wow the opening of this video, reminded me heavily of bedtime stories

  • @BigboiiTone
    @BigboiiTone Před 2 lety

    Extremely interested in tanks lately. Also interested in lesser known tanks and aeapons. Subscribed brother....

  • @conservativemike3768
    @conservativemike3768 Před 3 lety +9

    So... the Mexican tank was the Bu-Ri-To? Thank you, I’m here all week... try the veal.

    • @jdraven0890
      @jdraven0890 Před 3 lety +1

      And don't forget to tip your waitress!

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Před 3 lety +3

      Don't confuse the soft shell Bu-Ri-To motorized artillery gun platform with the harder shelled Ta-Co main battle tank.

    • @conservativemike3768
      @conservativemike3768 Před 3 lety +1

      @@1pcfred / Who doesn’t like a good Ta-Co?

  • @CMDRFandragon
    @CMDRFandragon Před 3 lety +3

    Chi-To? Cheetoh!? Chi-To is the first Japanese tank I could take seriously in Men of War series of games.

  • @shadowwarriorshockwave3281

    Tanks for making this video it’s tanktastic

  • @adi-lan1317
    @adi-lan1317 Před 3 lety

    Good one Cone!!

  • @AverageOhioan1903
    @AverageOhioan1903 Před 3 lety +5

    cheeto and the chi RRREEEEEEEE are my favourite japnese tanks and you cant tell me otherwise

  • @HSstriker
    @HSstriker Před 3 lety +28

    I bet their final tank would be called the ho-ri-shit

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop Před 3 lety +2

      😂😅🤣😅😁😂
      I almost died of laughter !!!
      most underrated comment !

    • @oceanhome2023
      @oceanhome2023 Před 2 lety

      Oh NO !!!
      You are a Laysiist ! a terwwible Wasist !!!!

    • @dinonuggiesguy4847
      @dinonuggiesguy4847 Před 2 lety

      Ho-ri-fic!

  • @AG-gm8vx
    @AG-gm8vx Před 3 lety

    I love that warthunder is what is used to make screen/images for this

  • @Calvin_Coolage
    @Calvin_Coolage Před 3 lety +1

    So does this mean we might get a video on the Ke-Ho? That's become my favorite late war Japanese prototype tank.

  • @bejaminmaston1347
    @bejaminmaston1347 Před 2 lety +3

    Germany: Tiger
    Murica: sherman
    Russia: t-34
    Japan:cheeto

  • @jordangreenwade2931
    @jordangreenwade2931 Před 3 lety +7

    You have to remember we(as in Americans) were mainly fielding 75mm Shermans in the Pacific. The Chi-ri would have been hell on the 75's

  • @nagaykei6611
    @nagaykei6611 Před 3 lety +2

    Try doing the VT 1-2 I’m kinda curious about how that leopardxStrv boogaloo even came to be

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 Před 2 lety +1

    The 75mm AA Gun was referred to as an "80mm" in some period documents. That can lead to discrepancies with reported bore size.

  • @LuoSon312_G8
    @LuoSon312_G8 Před 3 lety +10

    is it weird how much this tank's silhouette looks like modern tanks?

    • @derrickstorm6976
      @derrickstorm6976 Před 3 lety +14

      Have you seen a modern tank?

    • @motmot8879
      @motmot8879 Před 3 lety +7

      @@derrickstorm6976 i think he's from 1930

    • @drunkoutankou1273
      @drunkoutankou1273 Před 3 lety +2

      Idk pal most modern MBTs at least includes things like slope armor, and not this tall box with a track and a cannon.

    • @LuoSon312_G8
      @LuoSon312_G8 Před 3 lety

      just saying,
      the IJA had a bad experience with tanks in Ww2, it's surprising that aside from the British Centurion mbt, the Chi-Ri's silhouette most closely looked more like the modern MBT silhouette than other tanks of the era.
      as i said, weird. idk.

    • @mercyful22
      @mercyful22 Před 3 lety +1

      no. modern mbts can afford to have straight and weird shapes because of composite armor, era, nera and spacing. in addition, the positioning of the wheels resulting from the type of suspension used can resemble modern torsion bars. remove the "middle floor" and it would look a lot like some cold war mbts. obviously outdated, but still similar.

  • @jaxsullivan2117
    @jaxsullivan2117 Před 3 lety +3

    3:16 "The CHITO" you'll thank me.
    Cheto tank.

    • @captainshid5464
      @captainshid5464 Před 3 lety +1

      wow haha wow that's so funny bro wow so funny haha wow bro hilarious bro comedy gold haha wow bro

    • @jaxsullivan2117
      @jaxsullivan2117 Před 3 lety

      @@captainshid5464 H

  • @ricardogabriel6075
    @ricardogabriel6075 Před 3 lety

    Finaly!! I'm really wanted a video about the Chi-Ri II, (best 5.0 In Warthunder).

  • @Grimsonite
    @Grimsonite Před 3 lety +1

    I thought that was a photo 2:16 from those time but then the pic moved and I recoiled lmao

  • @reform-revolution
    @reform-revolution Před 3 lety +4

    give em points for the attempt then remove those points for thinking this would have worked with the tactics they often deployed during the war

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 Před 3 lety +5

    Could you go over the very first American tank, the M1919? That thing looks like a Hoverboard with a wheel in the back and a gun sticking out the front.

  • @roanneabe7552
    @roanneabe7552 Před 3 lety +1

    Cone I want you to do the VK 30.01 (H) and the Sturer Emil for the next Cursed By Design episode because I'm just wondering what was the purpose of this tank?

  • @josephburke7224
    @josephburke7224 Před 3 lety +1

    One reason Japanese tanks were light had to do with the many small islands where troops were posted. Most, if not all had adaptable floats to get them ashore.
    A tank this large would have required some sort of port facilities to move it to the many islands.
    For home islands it could have been useful providing tactics were good. But Sherman's would have outnumbered them. As we moved closer to the home islands, more Sherman's were deployed. I am not sure. But I think 3 armored divisions were listed as part of operation olympic.

  • @christophercao7027
    @christophercao7027 Před 3 lety +6

    Japan: Finally! We have something that can kill Shermans!
    Pershing: Hello there

  • @kurumi394
    @kurumi394 Před 2 lety +19

    The strongest tank the Japanese had were captured M3 Stuarts. They called them medium tanks.
    _Yes._

    • @NoOneAlive_
      @NoOneAlive_ Před 2 lety

      Wait, for real?

    • @PraetorianMan
      @PraetorianMan Před 2 lety +9

      @@NoOneAlive_ No, the Chi-Ha with the 47mm gun was straight up more powerful than the M3 Stuart. It probably did meet the Japanese standards for being a "medium", but it absolutely was not the "strongest tank" they had.

    • @NoOneAlive_
      @NoOneAlive_ Před 2 lety

      @@PraetorianMan Ahhh, I see

  • @AlexMappingHD
    @AlexMappingHD Před 3 lety

    You are doing a great job dude.
    Keep it up! :D
    What do you think about a video on Hetzer's father: Maresalul?

  • @hadesdogs4366
    @hadesdogs4366 Před 3 lety +1

    Unfortunately people tend to forget the environments in which these tanks are made for, for example you wouldn’t drive on icy roads without snow chains and the same applies for tanks, the Japanese required small light weight tanks due to their amphibious style of warfare since having a massive tank on a landing craft isn’t ideal nor would it help in Forrest and swampy environments like China vs the Germans needs for heavy armor and firepower due to the open European theatre where medium panzers were heavy enough and mobile enough for most environments vs the tiger which was a dedicated tank hunter and outside of Africa and Europe it did fairly well, since being on the defensive doesn’t require you to run all over the place, the same applies to Italy whose tanks mostly suffered due to economical problems however were ideal for Italy’s mountainous environments

  • @hiroshi3781
    @hiroshi3781 Před 3 lety +6

    Do you actually read it as "CHEE-REEE"

  • @skysunknownheroes
    @skysunknownheroes Před 3 lety +3

    Wow i just realized that sensha-manual blog is written by a korean mom

  • @fluteboiz8912
    @fluteboiz8912 Před 3 lety

    I’ve never seen a CZcams video sponsored by another CZcams channel

  • @silence3994
    @silence3994 Před rokem

    i dont have anything to back this up but i could imagine that the 37 was a ranging gun which has a matched performance for the 7,5cm. If SHTF you can still load HE and blast inf

  • @impatientpatient8270
    @impatientpatient8270 Před 3 lety +3

    this makes me want to rewatch girls und panzer and play the defvil snail's sick game

    • @maj.romuloortiz7832
      @maj.romuloortiz7832 Před 3 lety

      If you can get Girls Und Panzer Dream Tank Match, that game is so fun 😃 😊

    • @deezboyeed6764
      @deezboyeed6764 Před 3 lety

      @@maj.romuloortiz7832 i want it so bad but only got ps vita

  • @donberry7657
    @donberry7657 Před 3 lety +4

    The craziest thing in comments on war machines are guys who think their armchair video games define the quality, combat readiness and effectiveness of real weapons and their crews in actual combat under war vtime conditions.

  • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus5224

    I’m pretty sure there were ho-ri type 1-3 (search “Ho-ri t lll” for the type 3)

  • @worldoftonks8739
    @worldoftonks8739 Před 3 lety

    This is my favourite serie on CZcams

  • @GSC-Operator-chan
    @GSC-Operator-chan Před 3 lety +8

    If only Mai Waffentrager was here to help you research this. She was the go-to person for this kind of information. 😔

    • @ConeOfArc
      @ConeOfArc  Před 3 lety +8

      I've heard some conflicting things about her research so I'm not sure I would trust her information 100%

    • @CleveAneki
      @CleveAneki Před 3 lety +1

      Mai has been caught fabricating and altering documents to suit their purposes, which has essentially gutted their credibility among most people.

  • @jamesonaudette528
    @jamesonaudette528 Před 3 lety +3

    Honestly some Japanese tanks look pretty cool but they suck

  • @jeffreyarugay3503
    @jeffreyarugay3503 Před 3 lety

    Good job!

  • @spiffywolf2850
    @spiffywolf2850 Před 3 lety

    Its always funny seeing the bob semple in the intro

  • @Tsuchimursu
    @Tsuchimursu Před 3 lety +1

    Drives me nuts how all these one of a kind prototypes just got scrapped by militaries as gun targets instead of put in collections

  • @HispAnakin42
    @HispAnakin42 Před 2 lety +1

    Imagine being so bad with tanks that the Sherman is your biggest threat.

  • @hondjuh5139
    @hondjuh5139 Před 3 lety +2

    Can you also make a story video about the o-i?

  • @milhobeludo8053
    @milhobeludo8053 Před 3 lety +2

    Can you make a video a about the O-I the japanese super heavy tank?