1400bhp F1 BMW
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- • BMW 1300BHP F1 Turbo
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Forget the inept commentator ! (the manufactures never discussed openly the 'real power' till the end of 1986 after the restrictions were placed on boost pressure)
These 1985 BMW Braham's had well over 1400+bhp, amazing footage of RAW POWER!
Maybe not the fastest in lap times...... but, amazing straight line speed! and very similar to the 1986 video I posted on the BMW powered Benetton.
This video is in particular is good cause you can see the immense stress the turbo is under as at the end of the session it has almost cried enough with a fair bit of blue smoke bellowing from the back of Piquets car............ then again 5.4+bar of absolute 'qualifying' boost pressure on a 'truck turbo' from the 1980's will have that effect.
Enjoy this amazing video. Turn up the sound and relive the memories, of the never to be repeated excess, the unrivaled show!, that was Turbo F1 1980's style!!!!
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My favourite F1 era with some of the all time legends - Prost, Senna, Piquet and Lauda. A bit sad to watch this now in 2021 with Murray Walker
, James Hunt, Ayrton Senna, Michele Alboreto, Elio De Angelis and Niki Lauda gone.
Very true my friend.. when F1 was so exiting to watch every week.. even down to the opening music by Fleetwood mack.. yes very sad indeed..
You forgot to mention Mansell….definitely in the same class…..😊
@@stewarthumphreys8960the pinnacle of F1……1980s into mid 90s….
Brilliant seeing Senna sideways, Keke smoking on pit wall and the fuel coming out the exhausts with all that boost! What an exciting time for F1!
this is the modern golden age. begining of the turbos, amazing names and real driving, actual gear changing .... i loved watching this. the current stuff is so boring. loved hearing Murray and James.. ahhh the memories
Watching Senna always makes me smile. RIP
Anyone see that power slide from Senna on 50:58.......Sweeeeeeet spot!!!
1500ccm turbocharged engine...almost 1500hp. F1 magic.
+deadseriousforsure dont forget the same technical progress in turboengines made rallycars in group B in to the same legendary racecars we remember from the old good times.
sad is both F1 and group B lost alot of promising drivers, let those legends be remembered amongst ther fan.
+deadseriousforsure and liquid dynamite in the tanks ;)
dont forget that its a 1,5l engine from an old bmw 2002 not multi billion dollar engine just a normal 100k km+ engine block xD
deadseriousforsure Nah. The target was 1500 hp for the BMW M12 engine (1000 hp per liter), but they could only meassure up to 1000 hp on the dynos. They calculated the power to 1350 hp which was just an estimate. Years later they put one on a dyno that could meassure it and the result was 1208 hp. And mind you, it was only in quali trim for 3 or 4 laps and the engine/turbos was burnt out, in race trim they used a different engine and smaller turbos which only had up to between 800-900 hp and rarely ran them at full boost because of fuel saving and reliability.
1000hp/l
2:38 That turbo kick yo.. Damn :)
Good old times, when men were men. Rest in peace Senna, never forgotten.
Back when lead gas smog filled the air along with jet fuel carcinogens. Ahh the days.
Title should read "Watch Senna qualify on the pole then beat himself by 4 tenths of a second."
senna was just amazing.. 1 in a million
I spoke to Piquet about driving these cars. He said “the tach was useless. You accelerated until the rev limiter kicked in and your head snapped forward, and you grabbed another gear. “ He said he would row thru the gearbox as fast as he could. These cars were animals!
this was real F1, no driver aids or fancy electronic nannies. great video.
jean luc Dubinator So much more thrilling to watch as the cars are sliding and clearly not being driven by a computer receiving commands from a driver.
jean luc Dubinator
No this was real F1 because the cars where as advanced as it gets, not banning everything to make it artificially driver focused.
+jean luc Dubinator Current day F1 cars do not use ABS, vehicle stability control or traction control. Drivetrains are highly automated, but there are no electronic driving aides.
+Journey Cat I think he meant the opposite. This is the reason I preferred Indy cars or CART in more recent times- no driver aids (LOL- no aids), just skill behind the wheel. Fuck, they still shift gears, unlike F1 with semi- auto boxes and their traction control and stability control, launch control, abs and I could go on and on and on. Where's the skill gone that these guys USED to have. This truly was a golden era in F1. All these names of greats that I grew up with, truly a special time
There is no launch control or stability control used in F1. You actually see cars stalling at the start on occasion. All outlawed years ago. Drivetrain is highly automated, but no driving aides.
The funny/ironic thing to me is the HUGE black plumes of exhaust - you can tell each time he changes gear because the smoke stops.
Just shows early turbo technology - add boost and over-fuel for "safety"... That black smoke is caused by unburnt fuel - and having unburnt fuel on a turbo engine means you are absolutely DUMPING fuel into the engine.
Still an amazing feat of engineering though - supposedly this BMW ran about 7BAR of boost - or roughly 100psi for us Americans.
That is an INSANE amount of boost - we only see that high of boost levels from compound - turbocharged diesel engines. These guys managed 1400hp with a 1.5 liter engine - that's UNDER 100 cubic inches for us Americans...
So to all the LS MOWDURS R DA BEST EVUR" people... Think about the fact that your engine was designed in the 50's...and if your fancy Corvette motor produced as much power per cubic inch, you'd have roughly 5000hp.
That's not a circuit racing engine - that's a drag racing engine.
Try building any small block V8 to produce 3000hp and last for 200 miles.
Ain't gonna happen.
F1 is, and always has been - the pinnacle of automotive engineering.
These engines are absolutely amazing to anyone who is an engine nerd.
10,000+rpm, 1,000+hp and still drive able enough to win a race on a circuit, not just a 5 second blast in a straight line.
This is fantastic footage. Early Aryton Senna just as he began to shock the living hell out of every F1 driver of the time. Holy crap, @ 23:12 does he twitch / kick his car sideways. 1000 h.p. under the foot of its master. This entire video is probably mis labeled to protect it from getting taken down. Enjoy..
Damn it...I clicked on this because I wanted to see some red hot headers on a dyno stand
+Kevin Sultenfuss me too -.- fuck
+Kevin Sultenfuss Hahahahah same as you want!
that's what I was saying
its amazing how much those cars move around under acceleration and braking compared to modern cars.
Anyway, this F1 race is more enjoyable to watch than F1 races today.
So much better looking than the 2015 F1 cars.
Powerslides galore. What a great era.
If only we still had James Hunt today to commentate
Just amazing footage... Enjoyed it a lot. The sport has changed so much... I can't help to think that it has changed to worse, but F1 is not the only one.
Senna the greatest of all times on Saturday. But then on Sunday it wasn't the same. Senna only won 44,62% of the races he started on pole. Keke Rosberg won this race.
So Senna 44.62% (65 poles and 29 wins from the pole).
Clark 45,45% (33 poles with 15 wins from those 33 poles).
Jack Brabham 46,15% (13 poles and 6 wins)
Stewart 47,06% (17 poles and 8 wins)
Nico Rosberg 50% (30 poles and 15 wins)
Moss 50% (16 poles and 8 wins)
Massa 50% (16 poles and 8 wins)
Hunt 50% (14 poles and 7 wins)
Surtees 50% (8 poles and 4 wins)
Reutemann 50% (6 poles and 3 wins)
Fisichella 50% (4 poles and 2 wins)
Siffert 50% (2 poles and 1 win)
Gilles Villeneuve 50% (2 poles and 1 win)
Alboreto 50% (2 poles and 1 win)
Max Verstappen 50% (2 poles and 1 win)
Fangio 51,72% (29 poles and 15 wins)
Mansell 53,13% (32 poles and 17 wins)
Vettel 54,39% (57 poles and 31 wins)
Prost 54,55% (33 poles and 18 wins)
Hamilton 56,82% (88 poles and 50 wins)
Michael Schumacher 58,82% (68 poles and 40 wins)
Button 62,50% (8 poles and 5 wins)
Alonso 63,64% (22 poles and 14 wins)
Ascari 64,29% (14 poles and 9 wins)
Emerson Fittipaldi 66,67% (6 poles and 4 wins)
Tony Brooks 66,67% (3 poles and 2 wins)
Jody Scheckter 66,67% (3 poles and 2 wins)
Jo Bonnier 100% (1 pole and 1 win)
Thierry Boutsen 100% (1 pole and 1 win)
Pastor Maldonado 100% (1 pole and 1 win)
It still amazes me that you can see the cloud of black exhaust at full throttle even in bright sunshine since they were using so much fuel to create that kind of power
This was real racing back then in 1985 .
This was when the cars actually made some sound and the horse power was put to the ground .
What an era. The Turbo cars were wild!
These were the most technologically advanced engines ever as they kept getting more bhp even after they stopped using them
The inept commentator is James Hunt and World Champion at F1, so i think he may know a little bit about the sport..
james hambrook A good racing driver and being knowledgeable about racing doesn't necessary result in a great commentator. They are two very different jobs.
+james hambrook To call Murray inept is not at all true. However he was kind of jinxed. If he ever said a driver was doing well you could almost guarantee he would fly off at the next turn. It was a bit of a joke in the motor racing fan world, but we all loved Murray!
I dont give a flying fuck if Hamilton gets 100 poles - driving today's video game F1 "go karts" is a mere 1/10th the challenge and skillset that F1 monsters were 33 years ago!
That’s correct people mention Nelson Piquet won his 3 world titles with 3 victories in each of those seasons. But that is because reliability concerns and level of competition was great. Look at those names of that era it speaks volume to someone who will get 10 wins in a season. Compare oranges 🍊 with oranges 🍊 not apples 🍏
Yes these cars aren't as quick around a circuit due to aero technology...but imagine these brutally powerful engines with today's aero packages
24:31 That F1 car is the background sounds WICKED!
Murray Waker, inept??? Sacrilege!!! He didn't know classified data about an engine - he wasn't wrong was he? Whereas you have the benefit of hindsight. Murray Walker is awesome not inept
I recall seeing footage of the blisters on the drivers hands after a race. And you had to take your hand off the wheel to shift! Those cars were brutal to drive.
Senna's lap time is 3 seconds faster than his teammate, amazing!!
And people nowadays complain when Verstappen is only 1s faster than the guy in 2nd place.
The inept commentator we have to forget is Murray Walker. He is part of history of Formula 1. We should remember him...
50:56 When the old turbos kicked in...
I like those changes of gears...
Inept commentators????? Murray Walker is an absolute legend, and James Hunt is a World Champion who knew exactly what he was talking about.
F1 2015 = NASCAR Europe. Manufactured competitiveness. Bring F1 back!!
True competition in design - true F1.... money no limit....Qual engines wound out to the max..teams could choose a tyre manufacturer, real skill changing gear with a gear stick not a paddle....and the sound OMG the sound.........sigh
Fantastic video, thank you very much!
My friend Harold Drinkwater worked on this BMW.. Has some great stories..
31:04 haha classic James. I love how he irritates the hell out of Walker.
Walker was a fkn Muppet, a control freak who made endless mistakes...and i'm a Brit.
@@markholroyde9412 give me Murray over the annoying Crofty any day. Can't watch him
@@madt7873 They are all as bad, screaming idiots that do nothing more than hold a piece of wire, muppets, all of them. Those 2 clowns doing Goodwood, talk about fkn nothing, know nothing at all about cars....no fkn engine noise because the sound levels are all over the place, fkn crap
Great video,.....Senna the Greatest of all F1 drivers
Real cars real drivers real heros
How he wrestled his car through the corners like no one could in every condition on every lap. Still impresses me. Only Schumacher could do that. Marquez is the Senna in MotoGP now
wonderful brabham bt55 design , awesome machines
modern F1 car even with 600bhp less would still be faster on a track due to the advances in Aerodynamics and technology
Impressive power and more impressive Afr.
Inept is what we have now in commentary
Ahhhhh... The best engine ever... 🙏🔥💯
dear enthusiasts, these were the 80s turbo era, those who didn't experience them will never see anything similar in sports cars again. Nothing to do with current video games
Um, the "inept" commentators are 1976 world champion James Hunt and BBC commentator Murray Walker.
+Cynthia Riordan Calling the team of commentators inept is more a mark of ineptitude by whoever said that. James hunt was (he is sadly dead) arrogant and very outspoken (with good qualifications for both) often telling us just what he thought of inept drivers. I think James shagged more women than he ever won races, but then that´s what we expected of our F1 heroes back then,
Murray Walker is a living legend in motor racing. His father raced motorcycles and Murray started off as a keen amateur race commentator. He always did and still does commentate with the enthusiasm of a school boy watching his first race yet with the know-how of a true race car geek. They simply have not been able to replace James and Murray.
"Inept commentator"? James hunt?
Anyhow, thanks for the video. Great piece
In this year 1985 I loved visualy Brabham- BMW car😍
Turbo lag 100 HP overbooster 1400HP
Thank you! for posting this!
The genius. With this inferior Lotus beat for almost one second the powerful Williams-Honda.
Murray and James were two of the best ever.
Those BMWs might have put out 1400bhp with the turbo wound right up but at that boost they quickly became grenades, blowing parts all over the track. During the race, turned down in order to last, they put out less than 900bhp. Listen to Senna blipping the throttle though the corners, one of the only drivers who did that. Even then he was obviously the quickest of them all.
This was back in the days where you could use an engine for qualifying and another for each race, so it didn't matter. The big problem with the BMW engine was turbo lag; it was horrid and very difficult to drive. But on a straight there was nothing that could touch it; I can't imagine how fast a 1200lbs car would be with 1400hp shoving you along. The interesting part is the engine blocks they used were 1.5L out of production cars that BMW would reclaim - but only if they had over 100,000km on them - the engineers realized that all the stress at this mileage from the manufacturing process would have been wholly worked out by this point, and could handle the power. Obviously everything else in the engine was completely custom but I still think this is hilarious to use an engine block that was designed originally for 80hp output to be making almost 1500hp a little over a decade later.
Huh.. What the heck happened to my first reply? Oh well. I just wanted to say thanks for the upload! This was a great qualifying session.
Btw, looks like you own an FD. Your stock just went WAY up with me. :-D
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Cheers from up over in the U.S.A. :-)
In 1985, the cars were way less powerful than in 1986. So maybe James Hunt is not as inept as you may think. The BMW engine in 1986 had more than 1400hp, not the 85 engine.
Just beautiful
Flames and twitchy cars ahhhh yes please
Inept commentator..................... THAT'S FUCKING JAMES HUNT, 1976 F1 WORLD CHAMPION and MURRY WALKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just amazing cars......and guys that could tame them.
If you look carefully, you can see the exhaust gasses leaving the car, similar to a jet turbine on the runway before liftoff.
Just Stop Oil protesters approves💀💀💀
Amazing
‘In Australia you call that a hangover’ 😂
This was a truly ridiculous time, they make the 90’s cars look like dogs on the straights😂
There were at least 2 or 3 cars faster, than Lotus and he just did it. About 10 years later Michael Schumacher came and many people said, wow, what an amazing driver. Well, he was really good, sometimes also in rain but this man... If they drove this Lotus, who was the faster? ;) I think, you know the answer. He was just quicker, than many big names even with a slower car. Wow. Williams and McLaren were better for sure.
Mh, you're so in love with BMW engine that is in the title when there are McLaren and Lotus that went and sound better.
20:48 Senna
When F1 was great
Look at the trail of hot, black fumes being emitted from these beasts!!!
Also enjoy the pit crew wearing shorts.
Old school motorsport at its best!
the spectrum is a value
a ghost is created by the enormous event that représent the gp
This motor pegged the dyno at BMW..1350 hp.. they estimated it at near 1450hp
Yeh who is that inept world champion 🎙 honestly where did they find Murray and Hunt!!
Power Power Power! No DRS!
When F1 was literally uncontrollable
Senna, eternal Senna!!!!
Senna pretty much powerslid that Lotus back to the pits on his in lap!
I really liked Marc Surer.
Smoky
crazyyyy
Just look at the size of that on board camera on Renaults 😂
If this is 1985 video , then BMW was not making 1400hp yet.
this formula one is not seatting on two chairs; there is a fight between old and new age
😍😍😍
The whole reason turbos came to f1 (in my opinion) is because of rallying! Nothing in big time motorsports had a turbo until audi built the quattro, the rest of the rallying manufacturers followed suit then all of a sudden they came about in f1. If the unconfirmed story of the lancia delta s4 keeping up with non turbo f1 cars round a full race circuit is true it would have woken the manufacturers in f1 up that turbo was the way to go
These were before Audi. There had been Indy cars with turbos for years before F1 , and Can Am Porsche , and BMW touring car , and Renault Le Mans and rally car.
Ayrton N. 1....♥️
Who needs a crumple zone when you have legs to do the job.
20:46 Senna
34:40 Senna back out for his second run! Siiiick driving!
47:20 Senna again, on old tires, drifting around corners like a boss! :D
I don't get how it's such a free for all in these pole position runs. Other cars can just be right in your way during your fast lap. Would it make too much sense just to have them queued up? Mental.
Todays F1 cars looks like toys compared to these.
They should've forked into another racing series with this formula. Then we would get to see which people want to see more--the one run by FIA autocrats and their precious PC sponsor dollars or the crazy boostacular where drivers fight to control wild beasts?
I've got an M10 engine in my bmw and I have a spare turbo and a bit of cash... hmmm....
+polakdawido builld your m10 so it can withstand 5bar of boost, then we'll talk.... thats the magic of this engine. imagine the cylinder pressure!!!
french's driver are just journalists
was there 1st Adelaide GP, senna laps awesome, also Monaco like if you live on east tce, makes today's engines sound like shit, Mansell still has L plates here!
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