2021 Sur Ron X from a Mountain Biker Perspective
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Its good. The suspension is ok, but is a weak point. The frame and electronics themselves are very well put together. With nicer Fox suspension and the upgraded BAC4000 to get this thing to 7kw, it would be an absolute machine.
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At 3:58 did u mean the bike doesn’t like going down the hill or the water?
The hill, the suspension ain't great for high speed chatter with heavy braking. Lots of brake dive because it has no low speed compression. Its much more active for big hits from jumps or hill climbs where the brakes arent being applied. With nice mountain bike suspension this thing would be an absolute machine.
@@sagesends thanks man, gonna get one soon
I had a homie at Luna Cycles who got me it with no tax so it was $3600 flat. He said they're gonna be sold out by March
@@sagesends they’re sold out everywhere in the uk atm, they restock here in March apparently
@@sagesends they are sold out rn in Luna been for like a week your homie must be a goat
I strongly appreciate the chill guitar in the background, awesome video
hell yee, gotta keep it mellow
Finally. A person with serious skills on a fast ebike. BMX jumps, too!
Thank you for doing this video. I've been following the guys at Luna Cycle for a few years, awesome outfit. I hope to buy my Surron later this year, or next Spring. For now my wide wheel scooter keeps me happy.
Totally Agree with your opening summary about suspension and power. I ride only off road and get lots of elevation changes on every ride( usually several thousand feet). The stock fork sucked and would pack up on chattery stuff until there was no suspension left and then just slam me to a stop. Fox 40's were a huge improvement. I'm also running an 18" x 3.5" rear wheel which was another game changer. Tomorrow I'm installing an Emoto Bros BAC 4000 controller and bypass kit. Hopefully no more lugging the end of long climbs. Bring on the 7 kw!
While a game changer for the masses, more aggressive riders are going full Fox suspension, custom wheelsets(I use a super aggressive 21" front/16"rear),solid mount bars and peg extenders and support strut. I also use the EMoto Bros controller/bypass kit. It's bluetooth so you can change dozens of parameters with an Android device for different racing types. I'm setup for CO Hare Scrambles, have 8k in it and this old mtb DHer couldn't be happier.
I have one of these and have $1000 +worth of upgrades on it and haven't even done a battery ($1700) or controller ($900) upgrade. These things need a lot of work and are expensive. I did a Manitou Dorado front fork swap but in reality....the thing needs a CR85 or a YZ85 front fork. The front end flexes like a rubber band with the Manitou. If you're going to upgrade to a 21inch front wheel and real dirt rubber you are going to be stressing the hell out of the flimsy downhill mtb forks.
yeah the dorado and similar inverted forks aren't so good. fox 40 with thick stanchions seems to be the only mtb fork that can keep up
Sounds like it would cost the same amount to buy a superior bike
1st youtube comment ever. I cant afford a surron want one so badly. Instead i built a 80kmh razor dirtbike 50mph... Huge learning experience.
hell yeah!!
Just placed my order for a Surron. Should be here Tuesday. I’m in aptos and look forward to taking it out an exploring. 👍 - Jacob
oh hell yeah! what's your insta? let's meet up and go hit buzzards
@@sagesends IG: @sc_pilot Actually this is my first Mountain bike/ebike. I don’t know if I know what I got myself into with this thing 😂 But I’m sure it will be fun! 👍
@@sagesends hit me up on Insta. If buzzards is where I think it is (buzzard lagoon rd) I actually live real close by. Sometimes I see a group of mountain bikers meet at the corralitos market and head up eureka canyon to ride. Always wondered where and how far up they went. - Jacob
rode sur ron 200 km on concrete parking lot just 50 feet behind houses complex -
no one even knew i was there - supermoto wheel set - i have 6 supermoto MC and have never been able to ride on concrete for more than a minute - it’s surprising how Good the grip on ruff ish concrete is even with stock sm tires -
Fox 40 and set of brakes makes for a total weapon
just got a fox 40 recently, gonna install it pretty soon here!
Flys UNDER the radar 2:58 damn straight,i prefer the pedal kit so i can pretend to pedal 🤣
I’m stressing on getting the pedal kit or not. So much plausible deniability there still. My e-mtb easily hits 35 with a few modifications but I’ve never had a cop look twice. This thing would really be pushing what they will tolerate around here lol.
Just made my mind up just finished my order in the UK to commute to work and on weekends take it on the Moors for some trails
hell yeah! you'll be stoked
What is making it a really attractive option to me is the aftermarket options. I’m keeping an eye out for parts on sale. If I can get a good condition frame/motor, the rest of the parts are easily sourced (cheaper) from the people doing upgrades and don’t want their used batteries/controllers/forks/wheels. Horrible time to purchase one right now but if they drop back down by May I’ll probably be unable to resist a purchase.
imo the wheels are the only stock thing worth purchasing. The stock controller is sluggish and the forks are crap. Esp when a BAC4000 is only $800. If you're gonna use it as a street bike only the stock suspension is fine though. I imagine finding a frame and motor might be hard, I can't imagine why a non-retailer would have one around. Maybe a frame, since people are poaching the motors for go-karts
@@sagesends I was also thinking about what alternative parts would fit. Might be able to find the motor and frame by a different name in China. Also have seen that searching in Canada/Europe has much lower prices. If I can get a European bike and ship it here for 1000 less I might even if it’s stock. This is just going to be a trail bike (I live in a cabin in the woods) and something to tool around on occasionally.
hmm, well for small stuff the DNM and fastace forks are okay, especially if you add oil to the DNMs (they come with no fork oil). The RST killah forks should be avoided at all costs, they're awful. But yeah I think if you can find one for a good deal and ship it you might be okay. I think you could get away with shipping it through Bike flights, in which case it would only be $200 or so
Bicycle beauty... Soon I will buy one of those... 😎
No, no u want
Thanks for the info, keep makin good vids buddy!
where did you get your profile picture, it is so curious
@@sagesends saw it online and loved it :p
Cool bike, love these sur ron's. $3600 is actually not too bad. Yes it's a lot of money, but I'm saving for a new mountainbike: that's about the same price. But I guess that says more about the prices of mtb's
MTB suspension and derailleur systems are much more advanced than what is on this bike, and MTB is a (relatively) young industry so the manufacturing process is not as streamlined as motorbike or car industry hence the extra expense. That explains some of the cost. That being said, MTB cost is somewhat inflated. Be sure to buy a direct to consumer bike, not a bike from a dealership. Dealers charge ~30% more for a similar bike to a direct to consumer bike.
@@sagesends ah yes, makes sense, didn’t realize that. When I first got an interest in dirtbikes last year, I was so surprised: “THAT cheap?? Why, what’s the catch?”. Especially the traditional dirtbikes. But, I do have to be careful and keep my focus on getting the mtb first, not the e-dirtbike :)
Man I want the snow gone.. I have about 7k into mine...Just love it.
Aboustely luv that bike. Good buy. UK.
I was debating if I should go with a scooter or this but watching you make a play thing out of that terrain with that bike had my mind made up!
trust me, it's way funner than a scooter lol
Faaaaaaar more stable on technical trails too!
Awesome Vid! I’m getting one today. Female motorcycle rider and this looks so fun. What is your helmet, camera, mic set up? Thanks
Yo that little track looked fun af
its chill, it gets funner with every ride lol
Idk how people pull up on the bike but not pull the throttle by accident. I bmx and can do tricks but having a hard time pulling up. Maybe a thumb throttle will help. Either way. Best purchase ever.
great review, looks perfect if I cant get a dirtbike becaus noise issues around here
same with where I live. dirt bike would be a no go
its the ultimate poach machine. just remember, "I bought and was delivered a class 1 e-bike" and then plead the 5th. also nice to see someone else with throttle looping damage on their seat:)
lol wasn't me either, homie looped it. so far I've not looped it, always pull the "oh shit lever" just in time lol. had some close calls
Looped within 5minutes. Lol. Up until it arrived I kept reading about everyone insisting on changing out the controller for more power. But felt the front lifting without meaning to and decided to feel it out. Rear handbrake definitely slipped my mind 🤦
man I really love this bike real cool got get one!
😂😂couldn’t agree more about the questionable noises
the battery moves around a lot, I recommend putting a layer of foam, about a quarter inch thick, below it to remove the slop. Quiets the bike down a lot
AWESOME
Quiet is worth it being slower - rode 200km right behind house complex - no one knew i was there at all -
yeah when the difference is being able to ride the bike or not, being able to ride it is worth everything.
Just because you weigh 200 lb doesn't mean you're fat some of us are 5'10 and we're muscular!
I'm 5'9" 150 and I'm pretty hunky idk bro might be time to accept the truth 😂 nah I kid lol, I have a bed sense of weight
Price is now $4,250 on Luna's Site with a backordered wait time....
yup. it's been over a year so that checks out with inflation
@@sagesends I bought one from Luna on the 20th with estimated month delivery time, now I just checked the site and it says Out Of Stock, so glad I pulled the trigger on one a few days ago.
@@kalihiwai420 yeah I think they're still a good price
Dude, I love mine and I haven't experienced any problems, doing some pretty wild stuff on it. Yeah the brakes suck, but your little personal track... Frikin rocks -too bad you can't go with some shovels and rakes to burm it.
I highly recommend getting the H03C pads from shimano. they make the brakes actually decent
slick track you made there hehe
it's chill, no work was done lol just rode it in
You always think of giving it away
I really wanted one am turning to save to try to get one
keep saving up you'll be able to afford it eventually
Still trying to figure out whether I should go the moto-x or the mtb route. I'd be willing to bet that a kona remote, for e.g, would have better suss, brakes and all the other components which actually matter. So yea, Im more edging in the mtb direction, but Im willing to be swayed if anyone has counter opinions on the matter!
I'd take my MTB over my sur ron any day. Exercise is key to being happy and MTB is a great way to trick yourself into excercising by having hella fun! emoto works you out a little but is nothing compared to a good mtb ride
Should try making a comparison between my delfast and a sur ron.
at the end of the day, having a mid drive bike over hub drive will always be better for offroading or jumping, the unsprung weight and uneven weight balance on a hub drive bike is fatal for performance riding. However for efficiency and commuting it is the claim.
Nice !
Please, what is the song that you used ?
So my dude, for some one looking to tool around and just donk... Ebike or this? Thinking YT Decoy or the new Polygon MtBromo.
I'd say ebike, opens up more spots you can ride
thats next to my house!
I heard the battery doesn't last. How long can you ride (the way you did in the vid) before it dies?
bout an hour and a half of super roudy trail riding, around 17-20 miles. If your commuting it can do ~30-35
Just a comment on the linkage...
While I can't see what you see in the video, the upper arm, which you say 'looks too thin' may be too thin or it may not be -- here's why. The upper link arm is in tension which is less of a problem than links in compression because they need to be able to deal with buckling issues that don't really exist with arms in tension. Not saying you're wrong, again, you can see what I can't, but I just wanted to explain the difference in engineering terms between items in compression and items under tension. Have a look at this wikipedia article about truss bridges -- it explains the difference between tension and compression and how that affects the size (diameter, thickness, etc). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_bridge
Yeah I understand, I think the main issue is a heavy bottom out will put a lot of stress on that link, esp since the suspension is somewhat undersprung. That link is the only part ive seen break on these bikes (although to be fair when I made this video I had not seen one broken yet).
@@sagesends -- Oh, has there been documented cases of it breaking, that would certainly increase the chance the component is under-designed? That does happen, particularly in something like F1 where every gram matters and the engineer things as close to the point of failure possible to reduce mass, but they shouldn't be quite so aggressive in weight reduction for an e-bike.
I saw one snap in person, but online I've only seen the middle rocker link broken. It is possible both were poor casts, as it is super rare
2:50 used 450s go for more like 4500.
yeah that was off the top of my head, I have no idea lol
Nice
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Sick! I lived in Santa Cruz for 6 years, had a 125 motoped and would take it everywhere...only really got yelled at once and when stopped by ucsc cops I told them it was a 70cc, blatant lie lol but I still had functional pedals. I don't get how you guys don't get messed with or automatically classified as an e motorcycle because you have no crank arms??
I upgraded to hope v3 and a man. 140 yx, then About 8 months ago my motoped got stolen out of my dad's communal garage down in Dana point, butt hurt ever since.
Lol I'd always hit those jumps by Safeway too. There's some solid ones over by Capitola off east cliff
yeah I know the ones. The safeway ones suck these days, they used to be much bigger. The surron gets a pass cause it's quiet, nobody cares if there's no pedals
why music in background?
it's CZcams. 75% of people seem to prefer it. Many people hate it, which I understand.
I wonder if there's any hack that can be done to the DNM to improve them to avoid spending the $1K on Fox fork/shocks.
putting fork oil in em helps a lot
@@sagesends Is that actually a "thing?" I thought air shocks contained some amount of oil necessarily. What are you *really* getting at here? I know close to nothing about shock tech.
@@TheBsavage dnm does not put oil in their forks, just grease. this is fine for internals but the seals get dry and cease to slide easily. the oil is mostly to keep the seals lubricated
@@sagesends Thank you for the awesome information. I know very close to squat about forks, oil, brakes, wheels, chains, dirt bikes, mountain bikes, BMX riding, MX riding, and the congruence of dirt and machinery. I know A LOT about a lot of things, but this new endeavor of mine is, well, new. I just bumped into a Sur-ron owner out on the trails (actually, he had a Segway), me on my LBX. He's got DNM on the Segway and he said they're WAY better than the RST's that I've got, he related they can be had cheap on ebay from people upgrading to those forks > $1000, like Foxes & whatnot. I notice the current Sur-rons ship with DNMs, and I'm PISSED. Luna cycle does a shit job. They don't deserve an exclusive for their level of experience & expertise running a business and doing international import. They're clowns, the bad kind of not-fun clowns. They are impressively bad at doing the simplest of anything. God Bless them. Good things happen to bad people. If I had the acumen and ethics they do, I'd be too embarrassed to pretend I was involved in running a business. They seem to have no such shame. Do they even speak Chinese? I could cite so many instances and anecdotes of abject failure on their part, and they're making A MINT. The RETAIL price of the Light Bee in China is under $2000 a bike. Sur-ron Ss are $800 retail in China. That's AFTER retail markup. The Bible says the meek shall inherit the earth. Darwin says the fittest survive. Both are wrong. Dummies will inherit the earth and the fertile dummies will push the continued expansion of the human race. Luna fits right in, & Sur-ron needs to put on their man-pants and make a product that doesn't use the absolute cheapest of everything.
@@sagesends Thank to you I know that now. Not only is that information now part of my fountain of knowledge, I'm also telling this fact to everyone I meet. Some people, like Sur-ron riders with DNMs, either know this, or appreciate the knowledge I'm providing (which is really your knowledge). Others, like shoppers at the grocery store think I'm either crazy or high and do their best to move away from me, except for the shoppers that are high or crazy. They crowd around me and join right in on the conversation, a cacophony of gibberish in the dairy aisle, some of it grease & DNM related.
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dude just gotta say really appreciate you for always being stoked on the vids
Song?
it's a loop by Mondo Loops
Congress is proposing an e-bike tax credit act. The Act, according to Congressman Panetta's public press release, would create a 30 per cent consumer tax credit for anyone purchasing an electric bike - with overall cost capped at $8,000. I wonder if the Sur Ron qualifies?
probably not since it's not street legal
@@sagesends I’m pretty sure they come road legal. They only become illegal when you cut the wire to remove the limiter.
@@D.C.. frs? Then Ima buy a surron cuz I don’t want to get in trouble lol
@@RandomVidz9_ This is a copy paste from Luna Cycles website;
IMPORTANT NOTE: These bikes are shipped limited to lower speed/power to make them road legal in most states (in road legal mode this bike also has over 40 miles of range), a 5 minute modification will take all limits off the bike to make it power and speed unlimited and illegal for road use in most states. (Some users report success working with Dirt Legal to get their bikes plated for road use at full power. Please note if you ride on the road it is at your own risk)
I would look up the e-bike laws in the state that you live in just to double check.
ride surron on street in slow mode - death wish
You say Santa Cruz, but that looks like Aptos.
aight lol. must not know where I live
I've heard the stock suspension is horrible for any type of real off roading. True?
not great, but not awful
I really offroad my surron and the suspensions are totally fine for most of the riders, if you're more experienced you want to look into upgrading the rear shock, and the front forks, but honestly it's more than capable for 80% of the riders
@@JulienBrami Good to know. Thanks
Do u have to cut the green wire to make it go faster on the battery??
yeah ofc
You don't have to do that on the new models
My dogs Name is Sage. any how I want one Just to broke but if I was patient I ran into some money but already spent most of it On Building up my Hardtail Frame My Gf got me a chromag stylus. oh well maybe a sur ron will Just make me Fatter. btw some good Points you made I have yet to see one in person But I was wondering why they Made that Linkage so thin.
the only other sage I've know what's a golden retriever so that's cool. and yeah I'd take my mountain bike over the surron any day
@@sagesends lol Nice Iv always Liked The Name. we are in SoCal have a Lot of white Sage growing in the hills and He is a white Husky my Gf wanted to call him white Sage lol I was Like how about Just Sage.. and Yeah Man Bikes are the Best! my gf Has a Mid drive kit on one of her Bikes Its fun and all but Just so heavy Nothing Like the Feeling of a Light and Nimbleness of a Good ol Bike + Gravity..
@@mountaingoat8788 nothing can replace the feeling of control over a bike. So easy to make them do what you want. the surron is fun for high speed stuff but anything technical I'd rather be on my bike
@@sagesends I might agree with you back in my youth but now I'm 53 and I'll take a throttle any day LOL
anyone know the song?
which one?
200 isn't a fat dude. Just a grown man and not a teenage size boy.
I am 22, but yes 200 not fat usually just tall.
I get what you mean just. Word it better next time more thoughtful. Sure some larger/heavier dudes watch your channel. Just saying fat riders on e bikes just comes off a bit offensive. Take it's easy and safe riding!
fat riders on ebikes do more damage to my local mountain bike trails than any other entity and it's pretty clear they're not out there digging while we're all busting ass maintaining trails (nobody gets paid to maintain em). So, apologies if I'm not being mindful of their feelings, but it sucks working hard to make a trail ride good, then working hard to ride up the climb trail, just to see some dude who is not putting in the work blasting past you just to ride that trail twice as many times as you get to. I ride fire roads, ohv trails, and hard packed jumps, but I don't take the sur ron on any of the mtb trails out of respect for myself and others who put in so much work maintaining trails.
hope you can understand where I am coming from. cheers.
I think you need the 72v 17kw upgrade lol. Then it becomes a dirt bike.
if I had 2 grand to spare I'd be down
Sur-Ron Storm Bee
@@bobsoft not available in the states yet
@@bobsoft watched a guy on CZcams test drive one in New Zealand looks like a fun machine for sure
Dang sun!!!
How's the battery backup, can you tear down trails for 4 hours?
prolly about 2 with just the one battery
@@sagesends oh. Quite average but still, 2 hours is enough I reckon..
yeah the battery life could be better, that's the issue with emotos as it stands, battery density technology is not good enough for the small form factor. Only 17-20 miles of range at full throttle. You can get 40-50 miles if you are super conservative, but that's not fun
@@sagesends emoto and conservative don't go too well indeed. Hahaha
Waiting for Tesla to mass produce their new batt tech. I'm sure prices would balloon at first. Unless some Chinese company mass produce their graphene batteries.. I mean safely made batteries like those used in Xiaomi phones that could charge fast without decreased battery life longevity..
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Yo what's the name of the intro song? I love it.
it's from artist Mondo Loops. Not sure which one but he makes a lot of good stuff with a similar sound
i want one but im kind a bigger guy. 6ft 220lbs :(
with risers and a seat extender it will still be comfortable, albeit small.
Stiffin the shocks and get a sadle lift.
You can go with a Talaria sting. Slightly larger, slightly more expensive , slightly more power, slightly more weight. All that togeather equals about the same performance as the Sur on. One last bad thing, you have to deal with gearbox oil/ posibly changing etc, but it might be a little more robust then the Sur on. I have the Sur on @ 200lb and its ok stock, with a few upgrades wouldn't even be a issure even with your 220 weight. Best of luck, -Cheers
background song?
not sure the exact one, but the artist is Mondo loops, he does a lotta guitar improv and it's all very good
How fast this thing go bro you were zipping
bout 45 miles an hour
@@sagesends how long does it last with you ripping it around like not doing a hyper mile..lol but going hard??
Also love your vids bro I got the meepo v3 and that’s how I found ya! Keep it up bro!
like 20 miles if your ripping, 40 if your being conservative
You can upgrade the power and it's said to do 80 miles per hour but it will cost you about 2 Grand
if you plan on jumping it theres a small poll your suppose to put in between the pegs to stop them from bending in words but for the life of me i dont remember what it was called are were that one youtuber got it
yee I haven't had that issue lol
@@sagesends really? that's good to hear
theyve bent a bit from me lowsiding the bike but if your landing hard enough to bend the peg mounts your ankle health is gonna be a bigger issue
@@sagesends not really I've bent and snapped the other side bicycle peddle bars landing on them while they were horizontal, with no issue to my ankles. Many people just say over time and jumping the part the pegs attached to start to bend as there's no support but there's a part on Luna's web site you can get to brace them
can you send me a link for a $1500 used 450 dirt bike? lol
yeah but it might need a top end rebuild 😂
@@sagesends ya thats cheap. I just bought another 250r 2006 for $4700, these are not cheap
👍 Best hands on, feet on, drive on, whatever you want to fucking call it!!!
Very good vid, bro!
I personally would appreciate a vid from you on the best of the best upgrades to install on the bike?
Like you said earlier, China or not?
They all come from China!
🤙 Thanks again!!!
Aloha!!! 🍻
I’m torn on aerial Ryder grizzly and this lol
the grizzly might be better for the street but if your planning to do anything remotely off-road the sur Ron will be significantly more capable
@@sagesends they advertise the grizzly for off road too that has 1000watt dual motor (one I’m looking at) full motorcycle suspension. I’m looking for it to do both, upgrades too are swaying factor
If modifying these bikes like with bigger mx wheels you will lose power due to xtra weight remember.
with the BAC4000 that is no problem
You will gain more than you will lose
ridden and raced mtb for over 20 years, folk bitching about a bike ripping up trails are clearly wank riders and in my opinion you want trails torn up as that is what makes them technical and tough, if you want smooth then i suggest mtb is not for you, this said, suron or whatever should be no issue on a mtb trail to users - get a grip and stop moaning.
yee idk if the trails are legal and professionally maintained it's fine but if people are putting in work digging trails with no pay and you got and rip a fat rut in them that would be considered a dick move
3600 is cheap af dam