Harassment is breaking Twitter's free speech experiment

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  • čas přidán 7. 11. 2017
  • Twitter started off as a radical free speech experiment, but widespread harassment is forcing the social media giant to rethink what kind of platform it wants to be.
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  • @troyb6128
    @troyb6128 Před 5 lety +4174

    You want freedom of your speech, not freedom of speech. Can't have it both ways

    • @dylandate8459
      @dylandate8459 Před 5 lety +223

      Harassment shouldn't be covered under freedom of speech.

    • @mr.normalguy69
      @mr.normalguy69 Před 5 lety +494

      @@dylandate8459 I find your comment to be very harassing towards me, you should be banned for indirectly inciting hatred.
      Harassment shouldn’t be covered under freedom of speech.

    • @julybabylio
      @julybabylio Před 5 lety +87

      jonathan smith HAHAHA ur good at this game

    • @kevkus
      @kevkus Před 5 lety +182

      @@dylandate8459 criticism is not harrasment. It happens all the time to people in the public eye. If I say someone is a terrible actor and is annoying it's not harrasment. On the other had throwing things at people such as milkshakes is a form of harrasment or even assault. My mom alw told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." This is not only good advice but a required attitude if you plan on living in a free and democatic country.

    • @AndrewGreenaway
      @AndrewGreenaway Před 5 lety +55

      @DylanDate I am hurt and offended by your harrassment towards Troy B.

  • @dimduk
    @dimduk Před 6 lety +2879

    What people really want is Freedom of My Speech, Not Yours.

    • @nntflow7058
      @nntflow7058 Před 6 lety +74

      WHat people doesn't really want is doxing or harassment.

    • @dankmeme8849
      @dankmeme8849 Před 6 lety +14

      Harrashment xD xD

    • @angelusnielson7135
      @angelusnielson7135 Před 6 lety +65

      No, what people want is freedom of repercussions for thier speech. Which should never happen.

    • @Micklemoose
      @Micklemoose Před 6 lety +29

      Freedom of speech will never happen as long as there is anonymity. All freedoms come with responsibilities, and the internet removes the responsibility from the speaker for what they say.
      What we really need is instant universal doxing. I would know who you are and you would know who I am. I suspect it is only a matter of time before this happens.

    • @verbaledge
      @verbaledge Před 6 lety +25

      Michael Williams freedom of speech means there are no repercussions. that's why people want anonymity. they know they are not free to say what they want any other way. if twitter wants to make it so you have to verify who you are before using it, then that's their business, but i seem to be one of the only people that remembers when the internet was first starting and EVERYONE said "don't share too much personal information over the internet"

  • @beckettkriner8050
    @beckettkriner8050 Před 4 lety +277

    "No, that's just a text from my mom." A depressed look comes on his face.

    • @jh29a
      @jh29a Před 2 lety

      the humor isnt that nice on this one imo

  • @demongrenade2748
    @demongrenade2748 Před 6 lety +805

    Hmm, I really like the "What about this?" section of this video. Really highlights the trouble of trying to define what is harassment and what isn't. Twitter is in quite the pickle.

    • @drunkenlancer5895
      @drunkenlancer5895 Před 3 lety +38

      I really agree with this comment, I think Vox is getting a lot of hate for nothing in this relatively objective video.

    • @stefstokman3593
      @stefstokman3593 Před 3 lety +15

      @@ASS_ault is this a bot?

    • @TOH_Fan
      @TOH_Fan Před 3 lety +11

      @@stefstokman3593 Almost certainly.

  • @misteraxeman2680
    @misteraxeman2680 Před 5 lety +1914

    Vox: "Hate speech is anything I disagree with"

  • @jackd6269
    @jackd6269 Před 3 lety +252

    I’m so sick of these comments from people who obviously didn’t watch the video

    • @chidzhustle3570
      @chidzhustle3570 Před 3 lety +39

      Honestly they come with their pre-meditated thoughts on a video they won’t even watch, and leave as if they’ve done something

    • @jackd6269
      @jackd6269 Před 3 lety +6

      @@ASS_ault ok?? No I’m actually not on Twitter but what does that half to do with the video?

    • @thomasmaxwell954
      @thomasmaxwell954 Před 3 lety +5

      @@ASS_ault Ok? It’s his first amendment right, who cares?

    • @eponymousviewer8497
      @eponymousviewer8497 Před 3 lety

      Context is the light Mr. Denicore. We must cherish such a virtue we need.

    • @presidentoftheussr5601
      @presidentoftheussr5601 Před 3 lety

      I watched he video, it’s what u think.

  • @derekjbarbee
    @derekjbarbee Před 3 lety +62

    This was a great video. The section starting at 4:51 illustrating the difficulty of where you draw the line with problematic tweets was particularly eye-opening.
    Also, the interrupting texts from his mother, alarm, etc. genuinely made me laugh out loud.

  • @carmelopappalardo8477
    @carmelopappalardo8477 Před 5 lety +761

    The 1st amendment does not protect the speech you like but the speech you do not like.

    • @carmelopappalardo8477
      @carmelopappalardo8477 Před 5 lety +34

      @@Andrew-rk3dn You Are A Dumdass!
      Free Speech!

    • @bradfrye1098
      @bradfrye1098 Před 5 lety +7

      The G mafia and woke warriors really are a thing and it is scary.

    • @guffinator70
      @guffinator70 Před 5 lety +1

      Perfectly said

    • @comradecommissar311
      @comradecommissar311 Před 5 lety +3

      Andrew I take it English is not your first language? Smh

    • @cloroxbleach118
      @cloroxbleach118 Před 4 lety +6

      actually it just protects us from suppression of speech by the government

  • @joshmartin4136
    @joshmartin4136 Před 6 lety +270

    "Shut up Carlos" and "wtf is this music" qualify as harassment?

    • @flowerpunk5255
      @flowerpunk5255 Před 6 lety +36

      Josh Martin this whole video is pretty much just "some people are saying mean things to me on the internet and I don't want them to be able to do that"

    • @Skinnymarks
      @Skinnymarks Před 6 lety +6

      If it's repetitive then yes. Unfortunately people don't know what manors are.

    • @patpatng2
      @patpatng2 Před 6 lety +29

      No, inflammatory insults and troll-like behaviour reduces the quality of free speech, in a way drowns out constructive dicussion of real world issue. The very goal of free speech is to achieve the aforementioned, but trolls and hateful speech undermines twitter's effort to achieve free speech(which is what the video is talking about).

    • @zx45zx
      @zx45zx Před 6 lety +4

      people make videos like this because they cannot process people not agreeing with them

    • @hexidecimark
      @hexidecimark Před 6 lety +5

      Manors are the household or mansion and the grounds surrounding, as well as any sub-properties the manor's deed supports.

  • @swissyodeler6970
    @swissyodeler6970 Před 6 lety +95

    The solution seems pretty easy to me. Just ban users that make direct threats to other users. NO banning on basis of opinion, no matter how controvorsial it may be. If it's not making any threats, it gets to stay.

    • @edwardliu111
      @edwardliu111 Před 6 lety +2

      And what precisely constitutes a threat?

    • @swissyodeler6970
      @swissyodeler6970 Před 6 lety +9

      Threating them with harm.

    • @zacharydemko1835
      @zacharydemko1835 Před 6 lety +4

      I agree, that's a good starting point and doing that is better than doing nothing.
      But to continue it a little further, what about making direct threats to other groups of people, which causes individuals of that group to feel fear? I think Twitter should do that, too, whether the target is black people, Jewish people, white people, or any other group of people. No one should have to feel afraid of someone hurting them because of their identity.

    • @VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0
      @VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 Před 2 lety

      ​@@zacharydemko1835 Will banning the edgy racist that makes threats. prevent him from carrying out the threat in person? Banning people for threats doesn't get rid of potential violent acts. Banning racists doesn't stop them from being racists. It's the equivalent of sweeping dirt under under the rug.

  • @brain_apostrophe_t
    @brain_apostrophe_t Před 5 lety +99

    "Nah its an alarm I set for myself" omg I pissed myself

  • @flashbash2
    @flashbash2 Před 6 lety +58

    "Rich discussion will happen" had me laughing out loud. On the internet? That's a good joke. Carry on....

    • @Ritaaw1
      @Ritaaw1 Před 3 lety +2

      You’re saying that does not happen at all?

    • @elsythomas1210
      @elsythomas1210 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Ritaaw1 It does happen, but very rarely.

  • @radix4801
    @radix4801 Před 6 lety +615

    1. Give people the tools to filter their notifications, and the trolls don't get fed.
    2. Single-party enforcement will always fail.
    3. The answer to bad speech is more good speech, not more restrictions on what can be said.

    • @moneymack151
      @moneymack151 Před 6 lety +7

      Radix totally agree

    • @Crispr00
      @Crispr00 Před 6 lety +4

      Radix yes

    • @aresmars2003
      @aresmars2003 Před 6 lety

      I don't use twitter, but I see you can block people, so that looks sufficient. Perhaps in the future we'll have our own "bots" who will block abusive people by criteria we set up, so even 1000 fake-account bots can be suppressed without ever seeing them?
      www.laptopmag.com/articles/block-someone-twitter

    • @JigglyJuice-sl4mx
      @JigglyJuice-sl4mx Před 6 lety +27

      Radix "the answer to bad spee is more good speech" I'm sorry, but have you ever been on the internet before?

    • @memyselfandinobodyfromnowh9087
      @memyselfandinobodyfromnowh9087 Před 6 lety +2

      👏👏👏this

  • @d_wang9836
    @d_wang9836 Před 6 lety +1311

    "Twitter?"
    "Nah, its my mom"
    Lol

    • @Chrisallengallery
      @Chrisallengallery Před 6 lety +4

      She should delete her account ! Someone call the police for online harassment !

    • @mattsickel9875
      @mattsickel9875 Před 6 lety +4

      I'd say that if I was his mom

    • @NicitoStaAna
      @NicitoStaAna Před 6 lety +2

      why am i seeing you everywhere?

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA Před 6 lety

      What's good boi

    • @leavy
      @leavy Před 6 lety

      FOURTH REICH he’s suppressing the anger that there are people who use names like “FOURTH REICH”

  • @rickrollrizal2364
    @rickrollrizal2364 Před 5 lety +1375

    I thought you have thick skin?

    • @Ghost-jy9hk
      @Ghost-jy9hk Před 5 lety +94

      Maybe he meant foreskin

    • @darrickmeadows8216
      @darrickmeadows8216 Před 5 lety +27

      No he has chicken skin

    • @rickrollrizal2364
      @rickrollrizal2364 Před 5 lety +24

      @@propterhawk3585 czcams.com/video/VzoZf4IAfAc/video.html
      It's related to this. He says only journalists can report news. He had an agenda. Unfortunately, he won. As expected of youtube.

    • @blizzardregulus
      @blizzardregulus Před 5 lety +7

      Maybe this is projection like how his circle likes to portray Trump supporters as always saying, "I'm not racist, but-"

    • @rouymalic4463
      @rouymalic4463 Před 5 lety +1

      @@rickrollrizal2364 uy si Rizal

  • @mikepalacios14
    @mikepalacios14 Před 5 lety +412

    So you want free speech but you want to control how people communicate............ that's not free.....

  • @kimiesta
    @kimiesta Před 6 lety +1022

    That's a text from my mom ~~~

    • @creativeusername6453
      @creativeusername6453 Před 6 lety +52

      That made me laugh way harder than it really should have

    • @politics9811
      @politics9811 Před 6 lety +9

      WRAP IT UP!

    • @ikaemos
      @ikaemos Před 6 lety +16

      I like that Vox seems to be following the same tone trajectory as the Marvel movies - a consistent slide into comedy.

    • @ilikeceral3
      @ilikeceral3 Před 6 lety +6

      God I wish my mom was as nice as carlos’

    • @KevinShihKevinFresh
      @KevinShihKevinFresh Před 6 lety +2

      i cri evri tiem

  • @wuffmayvc
    @wuffmayvc Před 6 lety +485

    Most of these "Twitter" problems are more likely problems of the society using it. Twitter can only do so much but I don't think they are to blame.

    • @joekotlarsic4360
      @joekotlarsic4360 Před 6 lety +17

      I agree they shouldn't be blamed but if twitter wants to promote free speech they should honestly do absolutely nothing.

    • @joekotlarsic4360
      @joekotlarsic4360 Před 6 lety +4

      The whole idea that by not stopping a conflict you support the dominant side is stupid you literally don't support either side.

    • @SAli-uh3qr
      @SAli-uh3qr Před 6 lety

      Vin Cent but at the same time they should at least do something about it

    • @walterkelly
      @walterkelly Před 6 lety +3

      Yeah, the problems of hate speech, racism, intolerance, belligerence, trolling, etc., will always be endemic to free speech. It's free, not restricted. But hey, like, sticks and stones...etc. We are free to refute, reply, disregard, ignore. And, the opposite, like in Russia, China, etc., means some guys with too much power and money tell us what we can or can't say. YT comments would disappear overnight.

    • @majorevangelism
      @majorevangelism Před 6 lety +4

      +JoeKing K I think that's the problem. Twitter isn't the only people capable of shutting down free speech. Obviously people shouldn't be refrained from criticizing people or opinions, however harassment for the sake of harassing someone to drive them off the platform is just as destructive. If they did nothing, than they are allowing these mobs to run parts of Twitter instead.

  • @GraeHall
    @GraeHall Před 6 lety +29

    I have to give the producers of this video real no joke props with their motion graphics work, how animated between various examples of "how about this?". It was beautifully executed, whether or not you or I agree with their points, those transitions between images, between examples, they were so smoothly presented. There's the verbal content of a video, and there's the actual art direction content of a video, and the motion graphics of this video were art directed fantastically.

  • @soutpielsanchez1574
    @soutpielsanchez1574 Před 6 lety +134

    1:50 - OK. I'll admit it. Carlos made me laugh for the first time ever.

  • @ericfernandez6706
    @ericfernandez6706 Před 6 lety +276

    Free speech includes being mean to people...

    • @KevinShihKevinFresh
      @KevinShihKevinFresh Před 6 lety +25

      Free speech doesn't apply to hate speech. It only means that the government cannot restrict your opinions with a few exceptions

    • @FunHowse
      @FunHowse Před 6 lety +20

      Shih Town yes it does. Hate is free speech. Hate speech doesn't even have a legal definition

    • @artski09
      @artski09 Před 6 lety +3

      and then these "few" suddenly get very undefined and all encompassing

    • @KiTheMC
      @KiTheMC Před 6 lety +22

      Free speech doesn't apply to private entities. Twitter is not a public utility. it is a private company.

    • @KevinShihKevinFresh
      @KevinShihKevinFresh Před 6 lety +9

      Correct, it only applies to the government. Twitter is not the government, so therefore Twitter can make rules on whatever it wants, with a few exceptions, and you have to abide by them.

  • @qpid8110
    @qpid8110 Před 6 lety +47

    The montage where you asked what is hate speech and harrasment was really well done. I think those few seconds illuminated the difficulties of twitter and free speech. Great work!

  • @SirCrest
    @SirCrest Před 6 lety +106

    Took me a while to warm up to Carlos, but I enjoy the self-awareness in his videos now.

  • @troyk7100
    @troyk7100 Před 5 lety +352

    Every tweet about harassment in this video is essentially what YOU actually do here and on Twitter

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 Před 4 lety +26

      Vox is not harassing you. You came hear and shared your opinion. Actually you accused them of harassment. This 'evidence' does not hold up in court.

  • @veryviolentanalfucking6641

    if you let random people’s opinions on the internet bother you, you are part of the problem

  • @meesterSmeeth4182
    @meesterSmeeth4182 Před 5 lety +533

    Stop harassing Trump. Your targeted attacks allowed by CZcams prove that they are not a GOP ally.
    Grow up

    • @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube
      @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube Před 5 lety +9

      White Smith amen god bless trump!!! Stop attacking the leader of the free world!!! We voted for him!! Stop offending us.

    • @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube
      @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube Před 5 lety +10

      Crackerman07 guess no one got that memo when Obama was president? Lol

    • @johnnythewalrus
      @johnnythewalrus Před 5 lety +6

      Kris Chillinsky thank you! Took the words right out of my mouth! Made my day. :)

    • @cosmosnomad
      @cosmosnomad Před 5 lety +16

      @@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube The right relentlessly harassed Obama when he was president....

    • @slxsher4340
      @slxsher4340 Před 5 lety +8

      @@cosmosnomad the left harrasses people for wearing a hat

  • @ahmadt7863
    @ahmadt7863 Před 5 lety +36

    That’s a text from my mom🤣

  • @TheDrewThornton
    @TheDrewThornton Před 5 lety +468

    1/3 of the votes on this video are thumbs down.

    • @ressnar
      @ressnar Před 5 lety +44

      More like half now

    • @roknroller6052
      @roknroller6052 Před 5 lety +40

      So half the people have common sense 🤣

    • @dianaprince1552
      @dianaprince1552 Před 5 lety +56

      Dave Robinson - Probably even more thumbs down than being recorded... CZcams has a history of tampering with the votes if they lean conservative.

    • @katalbinson6562
      @katalbinson6562 Před 5 lety +1

      Dave Robinson That’s good!

    •  Před 5 lety +22

      Considering that Vox is an echo-chamber, that's an impressive ratio.

  • @danielleward-goyette7476
    @danielleward-goyette7476 Před 5 lety +456

    You need to go find your safe space. And stay.

  • @keremtopalismailoglu933
    @keremtopalismailoglu933 Před 6 lety +439

    Vox can you make a video on how erdogan is turning turkey back to Ottoman Empire. Thanks

    • @emreylmaz3330
      @emreylmaz3330 Před 6 lety +19

      empolyon2 he is not turning back to ottoman empire. He use the ottoman empire to get vote. İs he good person ? No. But there is missunderstand overhere.

    • @emreylmaz3330
      @emreylmaz3330 Před 6 lety +6

      Uncle Ruckus Erdoğan is not a good person. But its not want to make turkey ottoman empire. İts not that easy. There is more complicated things is Turkey. But i cant tell you with my bad english.

    • @user-og6vd6fc9l
      @user-og6vd6fc9l Před 6 lety +2

      empolyon2 the ottoman empire back then had %70 ethnically non turk fighters.
      Now that everyone is doing something else, the ottoman empire is merely a dream for turks. Will never happen.

    • @Nempty94
      @Nempty94 Před 6 lety +2

      I think its more about the current appeal of nationalism among electorates. like in turkey we are seeing increase in the right and the left, more nationalism and isolation (on the right say wilders in the PVV netherlands) with a stronger more emphasised response from the left as well (perhaps antifa in america shows that response eg). This polarisation is unhealthy and progressive liberal politics is fighting back as a result in some places, like in france and uk

    • @user-og6vd6fc9l
      @user-og6vd6fc9l Před 6 lety +3

      tom whitehead alt right islam rules turkey now. Anyone with a different opinion is killed or threatened. Its become illegal to do and say anything that might hurt the akp’s image. If you’re Kurd you are called a terrorist, if you are turk you are called a terrorist supporter of feytullah gulen.
      Basically a dictatorship that must be abolished or worse could come for turkey.

  • @rr24
    @rr24 Před 5 lety +315

    Dayumm bro. Pretty high number of dislikes.

    • @kekishkhan9321
      @kekishkhan9321 Před 5 lety +23

      He's a snake.

    • @ODST4570
      @ODST4570 Před 5 lety +19

      He's a clown snake

    • @kekishkhan9321
      @kekishkhan9321 Před 5 lety +21

      A slimy hypocritical clown snake.

    • @heretical_cuttlefish
      @heretical_cuttlefish Před 5 lety +4

      richard L not high enough

    • @ballz4kidz
      @ballz4kidz Před 5 lety +22

      I wonder why a video featuring the target of an organized harassment campaign may have received a recent influx of negative responses . . .

  • @cultureoverall3012
    @cultureoverall3012 Před 5 lety +156

    You lost me when you called Comcast and Verizon neutral providers, they are not.

    • @boysoul2075
      @boysoul2075 Před 4 lety +4

      The Sensible Position gonna need you to explain this nonsense

    • @kylecortes
      @kylecortes Před 4 lety +1

      Yep- CONcast

  • @majedalhakawati7
    @majedalhakawati7 Před 6 lety +122

    I think they should only moderate content that poses clear danger, such as death threats, sexual abuse, etc...

    • @Glhggthgr
      @Glhggthgr Před 6 lety +4

      Majed Hakawati agreed

    • @dstblj5222
      @dstblj5222 Před 6 lety +2

      but under who's laws do you function, and regional opinions differ

    • @ramasai1475
      @ramasai1475 Před 6 lety +6

      and those countries are facing the consequences...... sweden,britain,germany as people r afraid to speak against ideologies like islam so as not to offend 'sensitive adult babies'.

    • @leighross6472
      @leighross6472 Před 6 lety +1

      Andrew Smith no hate speech is difficult to nail down..... anti semitism should be allowed

    • @leighross6472
      @leighross6472 Před 6 lety +2

      Akashi Seijuro yes indeed I live in Britain and I get paranoid by even saying the word black close to a negative connotations...

  • @Dr_Sweendog
    @Dr_Sweendog Před 6 lety +94

    Ahh journalist in favour of censorship. Such a paradox

    • @CrayCrowman
      @CrayCrowman Před 5 lety +9

      He is part of a special subset of that hates the internet because it has eroded their gatekeeping power. He even did a video where he talked about how in an ideal world their would be gatekeepers anywhere journalism is produced. TLDR: he sucks.

    • @demaupin
      @demaupin Před 5 lety +6

      @ Clay C The way he spoke so positively about gatekeeping, and described it as the most important facet of journalism, was absolutely chilling.

    • @justinnamuco9096
      @justinnamuco9096 Před 4 lety

      @@demaupin he's just a manchild

  • @roblaenrd1892
    @roblaenrd1892 Před 6 lety +30

    "It's an alarm I set for myself" 😂😂😂 You are hilarious

  • @enguyen9708
    @enguyen9708 Před 5 lety +47

    Just delete Twitter, my friend. It lifts burdens and frees your soul.

    • @roshannair2118
      @roshannair2118 Před 3 lety +2

      Did just that. It feels like a weight was lifted off my chest.

  • @mathesonbell5532
    @mathesonbell5532 Před 3 lety +11

    Who’s watching after trump lost his twitter account?

  • @PicturesJester
    @PicturesJester Před 6 lety +10

    "Thats a text from my mom" that was great

  • @StructiveINK
    @StructiveINK Před 5 lety +8

    There is a thing called BLOCKING PEOPLE. I've been using it since I started.

  • @chriswalker3375
    @chriswalker3375 Před 5 lety +189

    Speech is NOT violence, throwing things at people IS violence! Remember like you told your followers to do!!!??

    • @thomasdupont7186
      @thomasdupont7186 Před 5 lety +12

      there is different forms of violence that have been researched and well known today. Physical violence is not the only form...

    • @comradecommissar311
      @comradecommissar311 Před 5 lety +10

      Thomas Dupont Violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

    • @Toasty_-jx6zk
      @Toasty_-jx6zk Před 5 lety

      Chris Walker this isn’t about him

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 Před 4 lety +8

      Remember when black students had to deal with white supremacists in school. Yes speech can harm.

    • @chriswalker3375
      @chriswalker3375 Před 4 lety +1

      @@alexsmith2910 It does not matter it may cause "harm" but it is not violence and clearly protected by our US Constitution as SPEECH!

  • @laujelek
    @laujelek Před 6 lety +15

    If you dont like the argument or the tweet just say it and counter it with another argument or tweet. It is a free speech platform not a social justice platform.

    • @Admiral_Jezza
      @Admiral_Jezza Před 6 lety +2

      They don't have "another argument." They know they are wrong so that's why they want to censor.

    • @technobloode9709
      @technobloode9709 Před 2 lety

      It's not even that

  • @uniqueblue1114
    @uniqueblue1114 Před 6 lety +236

    Isis/terrorist accounts are rampant on twitter. But nah lets focus on the trolls, they are the worst of all

    • @annoythefish
      @annoythefish Před 6 lety +17

      Unique Blue
      islamophobe spotted, prepare for reeducation, bigot.

    • @SFUWags
      @SFUWags Před 6 lety +16

      There is actually a reason they haven't taken those accounts down, there is a massive amount of intel that can be garnered from those accounts. GPS, social networks, recruiting strategies, and much more ca be gleamed from those accounts as the governments actively due. The thing is harassment and other activity detailed is not nearly as useful or paramount to any bigger investigation or anything. The harassment is just a issue of randomness rather than any concentrated effort.

    • @fakeItRight
      @fakeItRight Před 6 lety +2

      Isis is a construct made up for the people in Alabama who might want to send their children to another awesome war somewhere so we can justify our ludicrous defense budget. Isis is just the name of the big troll farm in the desert east of dumbfuckistan

    • @uniqueblue1114
      @uniqueblue1114 Před 6 lety

      Fair point. But what about indoctrination?

    • @SFUWags
      @SFUWags Před 6 lety +4

      So I looked it up, and while initially that was the case sometime last year the policies switched from government wanting the accounts up to them wanting them down so twitter terminated over 100,000 accounts linked to terrorist accounts. ( www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/twitter-isis/460269/) This is honestly a decent job considering the estimates at the time were about 1/3 that number of isis linked twitter accounts. To answer your question on indoctrination, thats kind of the nature of this problem isn't it? For as much intel is being collecting there is always the issue that the same source of important intel is also a source propaganda for further issues. In 2014 when isis spread at insane rate over Iraq. It was new force and I suppose the intel and strategies were far more important than the risk that they were going to indoctrinate others. As time went on Isis growth slowed and reversed and as such that physical fight seemed to be handled by Iraqi and Syrian forces. As Isis began to fail it reached out through social media trying to inspire terrorist attacks and as we saw in 2016 there was a response. If you watch recent isis propaganda they basically seem like the victorious caliphate regardless that they lost almost all of its territory. They can still get recruits and inspire terror attacks now even as they are about to be defeated in reality. So government saw their presence in social media as more trouble than its worth and told twitter to shut down any ISIS related accounts.
      TL:DR Indoctrination was always going to happen as long as ISIS the government felt that the amount they would gain from having these accounts info was worth the couple hundred recruits ISIS would gain in the process. Thing is as the war went on and ISIS lost the value of said intel became less important and social media presence became more deadly as terror attacks spiked. Twitter responded by banning 125,000 main ISIS accounts (worth noting that these are probably accounts of actual terrorist and ISIS efforts rather than just random people retweeting). Yeah you will see people responding to the to terror attacks on twitter seemingly in support but they get banned shortly after. (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4532662/ISIS-fans-celebrate-Manchester-terror-attack.html) Every account seen here has been suspended.

  • @katethegoat7507
    @katethegoat7507 Před 3 lety +16

    Hoo boy lots of people here who don't understand the points brought up in the vid

  • @abcdefg54321x
    @abcdefg54321x Před 5 lety +210

    *STICKS AND STONES!*
    *NO censorship is okay!*

  • @jesuschristthesecond
    @jesuschristthesecond Před 6 lety +254

    1:45 - First time I've ever laughed at a Vox video

    • @Mikeyvellii
      @Mikeyvellii Před 6 lety +3

      Nice political compass profile pic.

    • @ypdd91
      @ypdd91 Před 6 lety

      Right!? XD

    • @NightHawk92929
      @NightHawk92929 Před 6 lety +4

      Normally I like this guy but don't find him funny. That was the one exception to that.

  • @secretace
    @secretace Před 6 lety +6

    Is VOX advocating censorship? O.o

  • @zacheryjequinto7259
    @zacheryjequinto7259 Před 4 lety +7

    There are limits to the word free. There's a reason why you don't want to say n-word to a black person when you aren't black yourself.

    • @MajorMlgNoob
      @MajorMlgNoob Před 3 lety

      People don't want to be called out when their words hurt someone else

    • @twally87
      @twally87 Před 3 lety +1

      you have the freedom to say the n-word to a black person. There is no "limit" on that in and of itself. It's hurtful, isn't advised and you'll sound racist, but you have the freedom to say that.

  • @unreallilac5554
    @unreallilac5554 Před 3 lety +5

    OK guys I’ve come up with an ingenious solution to this problem.
    Remove Twitter.
    You can thank me for my big brain ideas later

  • @XMan396
    @XMan396 Před 6 lety +8

    free speech does not mean freedom of consequence

    • @verbaledge
      @verbaledge Před 6 lety +1

      yes it pretty much does...we only limit it in very extreme circumstances, or used to. the whole point of it is so dissenting voices can be heard without fear of repercussion

  • @sherristiller
    @sherristiller Před 5 lety +38

    If it hurts your feelings, then leave. You are not special.

  • @cookingforfools8691
    @cookingforfools8691 Před 5 lety +99

    No, harassment is lobbying to silence and suppress the views of those you disagree with.

  • @T33K3SS3LCH3N
    @T33K3SS3LCH3N Před 6 lety +47

    The same thing happened to Reddit, and that platform was actually BETTER thought out in this regard... The idea was that the community would regulate itself. It was a declaration of confidence towards the userbase, that their sense of responsibility would prevail statistically. With the voting system and ability to create new subreddits with new moderation principles at any time, the community was given all the tools it needed.
    It worked decently well for a couple of years until Eternal September struck. It has only gone downhill since, and the no administration attempt has gone up in flames as the website attracts the worst parts of society, which aren't willing to stay away from the stupidities and barbarism that we thought western civilisation had overcome.

    • @Albanez39
      @Albanez39 Před 5 lety

      Depends on the sub. Some are mature and employ constructive criticism to prove a point or attack yours; other subs are just huge groups of immature males that upvote a dumb joke and downvote anyone that expresses some true insight. Other then flock to that reply and downvote it even more without actually understanding or even reading it...they just do what everyone does...

  • @politicallynonbinary
    @politicallynonbinary Před 5 lety +15

    Wow, this video just suddenly became so much more relevant given the last couple of days

  • @jimmysides8857
    @jimmysides8857 Před 5 lety +95

    The free speech listed in the constitution was put there specifically for unpopular or disliked speech. I don't agree with many of the things said on social media but I defend people's rights to say them. As long as it is now a direct call for action, then it's good to go. If you don't like the platform or your ideas aren't good enough to survive some criticism then don't post there. Maybe start a new platform that is more in tune with your ideas. We are still free to do that in this great country. I, myself, have been called a "troll" yet I belong to no organized online social community for deliberate disruption. I just had a different opinion than the ones who labeled me as a troll. In a since, they were harassing me. But I am grown and can deal with differences in opinion so I am not looking to have them banned. This all seems like a great deal of "my feelings got hurt so you have to go".

    • @taliat1971
      @taliat1971 Před 5 lety +9

      You are 100% correct my friend!

    • @TRASHMONGR
      @TRASHMONGR Před 5 lety +7

      I think to some extent he's more specifically talking about targeted, repeated harassment that can lead to the recipient kinda feeling like garbage. Like if I said something that I thought was fine online, and then got 150 tweets at me calling me a dumb *insert slur* etc. I think I'd take his side. And yeah. Anyone can be harassed online. By anyone. So ban people who say awful slurs in bad contexts. Ban people who are infringing upon others rights with targeted harassment.

    • @ronswanson1410
      @ronswanson1410 Před 5 lety +11

      ​@@TRASHMONGR I respect your response, but I disagree in that bullying doesn't go away with silencing people. It just emboldens them. When it comes to the internet... Dude you might as well be living in a house made of doors and windows. Anyone can see you and you can see anyone. How are people to behave? You have to know the nature of beast. The beast is a manifestation of everything we do to fuck other people over, be it for the right or wrong reasons, but the beast is in all of us. You can't silence that. You can muster it up within yourself or be food for everyone else. That's how life works. That isn't going to change at all by telling people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Look into the history of people accepting censorship in order to feel protected if you need any historical context of my reasoning.

    • @TRASHMONGR
      @TRASHMONGR Před 5 lety +1

      @@ronswanson1410 You have many great points, thank you for the discussion. I honestly agree with the fact you have to grow thick skin, and that it emboldens them when they're banned, silenced, etc. Because humans will be egged on when they get a reaction. And the only real way to have harassment stop is to just take it, don't budge. I just won't ever stand by when it crosses the line of targeting someone for an opinion/belief so I think we need some way to help it, although it may not be banning, I feel it's better than nothing. But I understand what you mean and why you disagree. Conversation is important in these trying times. Thanks.

    • @ronswanson1410
      @ronswanson1410 Před 5 lety +5

      @@TRASHMONGR No worries. Adults converse and children bicker. Thanks for being mature adult w me :).
      I think you just want people to live happily. I can't fault that. I am only skeptical on how we achieve the mission because I want that too.

  • @AamirVachku
    @AamirVachku Před 6 lety +62

    Absolute freedom is an illusion.

    • @mozarth
      @mozarth Před 5 lety +3

      Who draws the lines in regards to speech then?

    • @justinnamuco9096
      @justinnamuco9096 Před 4 lety +1

      It actually isn't.

    • @arturintete2461
      @arturintete2461 Před 4 lety +1

      Justin Namuco it actually is.

    • @zacheryjequinto7259
      @zacheryjequinto7259 Před 2 lety

      @@justinnamuco9096 very much is. We have laws. True freedom is do whatever you want no limits what so ever.

  • @stunner55
    @stunner55 Před 5 lety +13

    This man is evil and so is the company.

  • @ishbanyadav
    @ishbanyadav Před 6 lety +359

    Harassment is everywhere.
    I am from India and people throw hate speech at me although my comments are positive.
    But I just stick to
    Haters gonna Hate
    Creators gonna Create

    • @FortuitusVideo
      @FortuitusVideo Před 6 lety +20

      Mr IY Tweeting is not a creating.

    • @ok-wi7kt
      @ok-wi7kt Před 6 lety +32

      Mr IY open bob show vagene

    • @kanishk890
      @kanishk890 Před 6 lety +10

      dude stop spamming every youtubers comment section .

    • @hapikohw
      @hapikohw Před 6 lety

      You got that from Phil?

    • @teethgrinder83
      @teethgrinder83 Před 6 lety +11

      Which is a great outlook until haters swarm and effectively shut down what you create or try and say

  • @jeffm3825
    @jeffm3825 Před 5 lety +10

    Free speech also means things you don't like.... Not just free speech for you

  • @davidg9649
    @davidg9649 Před 5 lety +38

    "With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben

    • @John.T.
      @John.T. Před 3 lety +1

      That’s why the only responsible thing to do with speech is allow it to be free.

    • @John.T.
      @John.T. Před 3 lety

      @Midorima Shintaro
      Twitter shouldn’t be the ones who control speech though.
      Just give each user the ability to hide tweets or entire profiles they don’t like. Done. Everyone wins.
      You think it’s acceptable that Twitter banned Trump from the platform - nobody’s ALLOWED to read what he has to say?
      ☝️What is responsible about this?

    • @John.T.
      @John.T. Před 3 lety

      @Midorima Shintaro
      That’s not why they banned him off Twitter.
      I just gave you the solution that doesn’t impede on anyone’s rights.

    • @John.T.
      @John.T. Před 3 lety

      @Midorima Shintaro
      A) your most recent comment has no real point or argument.
      B) yes they can….
      C) we’re talking about harassers not trolls - they are not the same thing
      D) trump didn’t care about trolls or harassers.
      E) what we’re taking about is:
      if someone doesn’t like trumps tweets - Twitter shouldn’t ban him - Twitter should give users the ability to hide his tweets from their feed.
      Let the choice be up to the individual- not the corporation.
      F) if they can ban the POTUS - they can ban anyone - you believe that’s acceptable. 👍🏼

  • @moirawendel6658
    @moirawendel6658 Před 6 lety +1

    I really enjoy Strikethrough! Your videos are informative and entertaining. Thanks Carlos!

  • @iostr
    @iostr Před 6 lety +127

    Anarchy and freedom are been confused by the original rules of twitter. To be really free you also need to be educated. Disagree and/or express your own ideas isn't the same that just yell or insult someone, people usually write their twits in the heat without thinking what they want to achieve or communicate. But the idea of twitter is also unfiltered thoughts to nowhere in a popularity contest, so.

  • @egito9930
    @egito9930 Před 6 lety +26

    "@SelenaGomez COME TO BRAZIL" I died

  • @manzero134gd
    @manzero134gd Před 5 lety +47

    It is freedom of speech when it's in favor of them.

  • @Fillipe.356
    @Fillipe.356 Před 6 lety +82

    COME TO BRAZIL
    not you, Carlos

  • @tynan8641
    @tynan8641 Před 6 lety +5

    Make it so every account has to be verified and get rid of anonymous posting except in the case of whistleblowing (have some administrative oversight). You shut down bots and trolls who require anonymity. You shut down repeat accounts that only serve to further harassment. If people want to be terrible, they get to be, but at a similar social and possibly financial cost of being terrible in the real world.

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 Před 6 lety +21

    Yep, these comments are gonna turn into a dumpster fire, always on Carlos' videos tho

  • @Albanez39
    @Albanez39 Před 5 lety +4

    Even if Instagram has started gaining a lot of traction the last year, Facebook still remains the most complete social network. It's Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, Linkedin, CZcams all in one. But still, it's also the most malevolent of them all...

  • @toddhitchens6272
    @toddhitchens6272 Před 5 lety +93

    Twitter was suppose to be for me and me only.

  • @Fokeno
    @Fokeno Před 6 lety +189

    People are mean... ON THE INTERNET?! Call the cops

    • @geokramer1711
      @geokramer1711 Před 6 lety +17

      There's a difference between being mean, and being inhumane. Calling someone stupid, that's mean. Hoping someone will be raped because you disagree with them, is inhumane.

    • @JonathanAmadeus
      @JonathanAmadeus Před 6 lety +7

      Just because you expect it to happen doesn't mean it's okay.

    • @shokosugi2346
      @shokosugi2346 Před 6 lety +1

      There is a difference between the internet and Twitter. Not everyplace needs to have the same standard.

    • @larry5911
      @larry5911 Před 6 lety +4

      No one said call the cops. Twitter is allowed to ban whoever they want.

    • @janniel5377
      @janniel5377 Před 6 lety +4

      Be more empathetic to other people, think before you speak.

  • @JohnnyReckless
    @JohnnyReckless Před 6 lety +274

    It's funny how Vox can post a video, and it is immediately spammed with dislikes. If you watch the video and don't like it then that's understandable. But if you just spam dislike to "lol trigger sjw's' before then you look like you're just part of a hive mind that will blindly hate everything with the name 'Vox' underneath it.

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 6 lety +22

      John Pawl maybe the video starts really annoyingly and ppl just get a negative feeling.
      the trump reference at the start was so useless that it doesn't make sense to be put

    • @quintenfranks8024
      @quintenfranks8024 Před 6 lety +8

      It's a segue

    • @crashingwolve
      @crashingwolve Před 6 lety +18

      I agree, Vox does alot of well informed and well conveyed videos that discuss important topics using credible and valid information sources. However a video with a title that boils down to and is as illogical as "free speech is killing free speech" further shows this series of increasingly biased videos that don't discuss any real problems or issues.

    • @albertovillaescusarico9456
      @albertovillaescusarico9456 Před 6 lety +13

      Trolls be like: "Lol, gonna generate traffic for this video to own the libs."

    • @stijnlauwen6227
      @stijnlauwen6227 Před 6 lety +1

      It's paradoxical. Not illogical.

  • @Sfaxx
    @Sfaxx Před 4 lety +3

    Love your videos. Keep going man!

  • @geekdiggy
    @geekdiggy Před 3 lety +4

    with what's been going on with twitter the last few months, this video is more important than ever.

  • @newgreen956
    @newgreen956 Před 6 lety +38

    The sequence from 4:50 onwards is ingenious. I cant see how someone can criticise this video for having a bias

    • @iAmTheSquidThing
      @iAmTheSquidThing Před 6 lety +11

      Yeah, that was actually a very fair and interesting thought experiment.

    • @Plasmallama
      @Plasmallama Před 6 lety +11

      honestly and all these ideologues jumping to conclusions makes me unbelievably sad. :C

    • @NotANameist
      @NotANameist Před 6 lety

      Then go ahead and jump to 5:45.

  • @jaymay7957
    @jaymay7957 Před 5 lety +6

    My son cry’s when he wants something too! Sometimes I feel bad say awe and pick him up and sometimes I realize he is manipulating me to get what he wants.

  • @glyph_official
    @glyph_official Před rokem +1

    "we'd better hope it knows what it's doing" hits different in November 2022

  • @luigi1fan1
    @luigi1fan1 Před 6 lety +1

    “No free speech unless it’s for my side” that’s what you sound like.

  • @TheHummdog
    @TheHummdog Před 5 lety +17

    This wasn't about harassment, he used his identity to try to ban a political adversary over some edgy jokes. I don't believe for a second that he ever felt in danger because of the supposed backlash over some jokes. He wanted to ban him over political views

  • @reiswan7105
    @reiswan7105 Před 4 lety +6

    I thought those tweets were not real. Gosh,some people need to human up

  • @edward8459
    @edward8459 Před 6 lety +6

    I think you're breaking Twitter by the sheer amount of people you've blocked from your account

  • @calebwagner5381
    @calebwagner5381 Před 5 lety +142

    So If don’t like what someone has to say so they don’t have a right to speak. Sweeeeet🤣🤣

    • @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube
      @peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube Před 5 lety

      Caleb Wagner I just pictured cartman lol

    • @calebwagner5381
      @calebwagner5381 Před 5 lety

      Kris Chillinsky 🤣🤣 lol I didn’t even mean it like that🤣

    • @peacheswilliams4539
      @peacheswilliams4539 Před 4 lety +2

      We need an island of hate. There miserable people can spew as much hate at each other they like! That way no ones feelings are hurt because everyone hates everyone. There fixed it!

    • @jessicacole8404
      @jessicacole8404 Před 4 lety

      *actually that exist, and that's 8chan....and we get terrorist attacks from it so.....* 💁

    • @justinnamuco9096
      @justinnamuco9096 Před 4 lety

      @@peacheswilliams4539 it's called the real world

  • @alyx6427
    @alyx6427 Před 4 lety +35

    “He or she” yep, enbies are above the rules

  • @hannah-marievillalobos1735
    @hannah-marievillalobos1735 Před 5 lety +65

    People say mean things, it's a part of life; get over it. I rather have free speech.

    • @devni428
      @devni428 Před 5 lety +6

      targeted harrassment based on someone's identity isn't just spouting "mean things". speech shouldn't be free if it's promoting violence against marginalised groups.

    • @hannah-marievillalobos1735
      @hannah-marievillalobos1735 Před 5 lety +7

      @@devni428 He never said to hurt him, so what violence was spread? And guess what Steven is a comedian, he makes fun of everyone get off your high horse

  • @aaryadhakshinamoorthy1967

    don’t scroll down to the comment section. it isn’t worth the loss of brain cells.

  • @shingshongshamalama
    @shingshongshamalama Před 5 lety +1

    Ironically, now the comments on this video are just 99% harassment from people who can't even be bothered to go read a twitter thread for themselves.

  • @insanylum13
    @insanylum13 Před 5 lety +12

    The irony is palpable.

  • @adamscharfman9749
    @adamscharfman9749 Před 4 lety +4

    Geez this guy is trying really hard to get rid of speech he doesn’t like

  • @kabdreams93
    @kabdreams93 Před 6 lety +1

    I love this series!

  • @jefrenpauloabalos
    @jefrenpauloabalos Před 6 lety +1

    would it be possible to post your sources for information as well :D

  • @RaccoonRoadkill
    @RaccoonRoadkill Před 6 lety +73

    Carlos, You're an amazing guy and I really enjoy watching your videos and learning new stuff. Don't ever forget you are awesome! Love you!

    • @juliahcornell
      @juliahcornell Před 5 lety +5

      Made me really sad to see all the hate tweets at the beginning, he's such a cool guy and makes interesting, engaging pieces of journalism.

    • @dionmacdonald6752
      @dionmacdonald6752 Před 5 lety +3

      WOW NO He IS NOT he is far left nut

    • @shannoncantu8722
      @shannoncantu8722 Před 5 lety +7

      I don't know why so many people hate him. His personality is amazing and I like his humor. He's a good guy.

    • @foxxy2583
      @foxxy2583 Před 5 lety +6

      @@shannoncantu8722
      He defended antifa (a far left terrorist group as described by many US states). He pushes for censorship on many channels he disagrees with. He has said that many people are white supremacists and neo Nazis when they aren't. He just spreads pure propaganda, and should be called out for it.

    • @thotcop8235
      @thotcop8235 Před 5 lety +4

      @@juliahcornell they were fake he wrote that about himself which is twice as sad. Dont feel bad for someone manipulating you into thinking they are "opressed" in america. Most of the time they are just so bored they need to find something for people to feel bad for them. Theres almost too much freedom in america in a sense that you can lie to whoever

  • @Coffee_break514
    @Coffee_break514 Před 5 lety +8

    I'm loving the comments !

  • @alexsmith2910
    @alexsmith2910 Před 4 lety +1

    Harassment is a blight on humanity.

  • @KRIGBERT
    @KRIGBERT Před 6 lety +1

    I recently watched a video where someone said "the death threat is the internet equivalent of a nasty look" - I wonder if that's the attitude we'll end up with.

  • @ambushbob5383
    @ambushbob5383 Před 5 lety +18

    Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

    • @GANTZ100pts
      @GANTZ100pts Před 5 lety +1

      Unless you're on the left.

    • @ambushbob5383
      @ambushbob5383 Před 5 lety +1

      @@GANTZ100pts then words are literally violence.

  • @jasonBGI
    @jasonBGI Před 6 lety +3

    "Neutral service provider? Hold my $50 avocado smoothie!" - Comcast/Verizon

  • @Albanez39
    @Albanez39 Před 5 lety +2

    We don't really use Twitter in Europe, I personally don't see the point of it.

    • @GeniusLad32
      @GeniusLad32 Před 5 lety

      YOU don't use twitter. Twitter is huge in Europe.

  • @ReevansElectro
    @ReevansElectro Před 6 lety +1

    Freedom is a concept that should never be said or used on its own without the concept of RESPONSIBILITY also attached. No one on Twitter seems to want responsibility for what they say.

  • @MysticGamingJason
    @MysticGamingJason Před 5 lety +5

    Freedom is the right to tell others what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell

  • @babblesandbubbles
    @babblesandbubbles Před 5 lety +3

    same exact thing happens on youtube…. though shockingly, youtube seems far more accepting of harassment. twitter lets this bs go, then panics and starts booting trolls for a week. by contrast youtube doesn't give a damn and lets it go on indefinitely.

  • @zaiddagamseh
    @zaiddagamseh Před 6 lety +1

    This video should be renamed : "Stupid people ruin twitter because they just can't help being stupid"

  • @chrishansen456
    @chrishansen456 Před 4 lety +1

    Carlitos, are you still in Vox? Please answer me; thanks.