not sure if it will have higher highs but i think it will beat GoT in overall consistent quality. Tho maybe it does both, who knows! the latest episode was really cool, i just think it might be too short, its a specific contained story, while GoT felt like a whole exploration of a fantasy world at times
It’s hard to say that though. Even with the shit show the last 2/3 seasons where, Game Of Thrones is still one of the best TV Shows of all time. HOTD has so much potential but the bar is still very high.
@@Tyler-qm2lw I kinda agree with him. HOTD just like GOT has everything. They have the directors, the crew, the music, the production designers. The only difference is they have capable writers that have the entire story to draw from - unlike GOT that only had half the story before running out of material.
The source material isn’t that great for characterisation though. It’s basically a plot, the writers are working with scraps. Anyone can write a civil war against dragons.
I watched the whole Video not having the glimps of the idea this channel would only have 120 sups. High quality video with well written script, you deserve some love my dude.
Naw, bro nothing will top Daenerys riding Drogon for the first time. Or even when the dragons were born. I wanted to care about Meleys‘ death but meh - we barely knew ye. Vaghar steals the show though!
I don't think so, HotD has his moments, but isn't even close to GOT. It's clear the writer are the classic Hollywood writers which are interpreting the story of fire and blood with the modern eyes, leaving behind the realism of the medieval period in Martin's books. The politics it's off, the characters are off, it's just doesn't feel like Westeros, but rather your average fantasy story about a princess and her dragons. I understand why people may like it, but miss all the new once that GOT had at the begging and earn it his spot as one of tv best series
100% disagree, what you said is moronic and feels like you want to call them woke for the sake of it. This show is a masterclass in how it adapts a rather “ok” book into a far superior television. The work they did on Viserys is absurd, even Martin says HOTD’s Viserys is better than his. The only idiotic thing was that coronation scene, and Rheynes stepping on all these civilians, which stains the whole show, cause other than that it’s just overall a way better product
@@BartasRapowanie I'm sorry if my comment feels offensive, it was never meant to be. My complaint isn't about having women in power, but how they are represented and the rest of the cast. Neither Alicent, Rhaenyra or other characters that the writers classified as "good" feel active, the plot is move by the others, which is a big disappointment. In GOT even Tyrion, Daenerys or Jon take active participation in the plot and do bad/selfish stuff (even if they are technically the most heroic people in the show). I wanted more GOT's grey characters instead of classic fantasy "hero that can't do wrong".
@@UsiQuotidiani.18 what are you talking about? literally every major character in the show is grey and had committed "bad/selfish stuff" including visyres (the most loved by fans?) who literally killed his own wife for an heir. I can't think of any character that is a goody two shoes in HOTD.
imo got is much better cause there was some levity and we weren’t sure all characters were going to die. There are no characters on Hotd like Tyrion or Jamie or Ned. Viserys came close!! by far the most interesting character. Sadly he is no more and now the show is lacking even more.
@@emilyfisher6478 Viserys was unbelievable! I think with time Alicent and Rhaneyra and especially Aemond ( with his villian arc) really have a shot at being great!
@@Trench-coat Yes agree! All the actors are amazing! Paddy Considine should have raked in awards for his performance. Stunning work and thank you for ur thoughtful video!
The main thing Hotd has going for it right now, is that its a simple story with far less players in it. It could be argued that GoT came out far too early when bringing ASOIAF fully to the screen was a risk, hence why so many characters were cut out.. Like they could of added the rest of the cast in Season 4 and done it right, but I think the fans would of been upset being taken away from the main cast for a bit.. Hard to tell, but so far HotD is great, and its likely a 3-4 season show.
Yeah, getting someone to watch GOT is a lot harder than getting someone to watch HOTD. Is way more digestible with its smaller story. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
It can't, at least for me. Nothing can top the hype meter of later seasons of GoT with not knowing what will happen. The hype was burning too hot and after the end it's only ashes. Yeah, HotD was able to revive a Phoenix but it's not the same. Not until the Winds of Winter, God's be good.
@@czefix I totally get that… it’s fair to say nothing quite hits the same after season 8 of GOT. I am still glad we are getting to spend more time in Westeros in HOTD. Thanks for the comment!
I think GOT is more popular and could grab the masses attention, HOTD is a more solid and raw, it's not for everyone but definitely is getting better in almost every category. But then again, how many great movies coming out and didn't got the masses attention? It's not for everyone, that doesn't mean it isn't good, HOTD is putting so many others into a shame after the quality they are offering, to series and in cinema too. You are totally right 🙌🏻
Better writers and a willingness to stick closer to the source material and you might've been right. The show is very clearly intended for people who haven't read the book and found Game of Thrones confusing.
If I remember correctly, GRRM wanted to stay in the writer's room for GoT but D&D kicked him out to push him to finish the books. Unpopular opinion, I think they should have kept George in the writer's room. I'm the type of person who wants to drop a task if I'm being told to do it (especially if I am already working on it) so I can't imagine that feeling times a thousand. I also wouldn't be surprised if he worked on it in secret. But now I'm going off topic. They should have kept him, especially the last seasons. I think it was reported that he gave D&D the main events that were going to happen, but the way it was executed in the show was lacking. They needed him.
@@psychedelicyeti6053 Not an unpopular opinion, I think most people would agree that George should've been a part of the writers room. That's why I am hopeful for House of the Dragon. George is very involved in the show. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Yeah but I would argue GOT also didn’t have jaw dropping spectacle in the first two seasons really. HOTD season 2 is already doing some masterful stuff and we are only half way.
@@Trench-coatBran being pushed from a window, Ned being beheaded, Dany giving birth to dragons, The Battle of the Blackwater, the House of the Undying, etc. those were pretty jaw dropping moments. Game of Thrones season 1-2 was great - all the way up to season 4 … then they dropped the ball.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 the reason why we felt that way before is because at the time, those shock factors weren’t a thing seen on Television at the time especially for a fantasy show, now we have everything trying to replicate it so we have come immune to the horrific events that occur on Television.
I mean, meleys breaking out of the floor of the dragon pit was pretty cool. The suspense in the killing of the baby boy while Haelena was watching was also crazy
Theoretically, it should. The scale and shock factor of GoT (specifically after season 3) is not an adequate substitute for good writing. Not to mention the piss-poor season 7 and 8. The main problem of GoT is adapting it was extremely difficult, especially since the source material is not finished. Even with the finished material, there are several plot points/characters that weren't adapted to the show which forced the writers to write their own plots; and then that lead to disappointing conclusions either because they write themselves into a corner or the adapted plots couldn't rconclude in a satisfying way with the original plots. HotD's source material is finished. It was written in a way that allows significant creative freedom when adapted, and is much more manageable in terms of scale. As long as they don't deviate in ways that would lead them to a corner, surpassing GoT is not difficult. It's already got great cast, production, and dialogues.
@@Trench-coat overlooking the impact GoT made as a whole I don’t think The writing team has it. Don’t get me wrong the show is pretty good, but that’s all it is for me. A lot of the casting has been questionable too with Olivia also complaining at unrealistic alicent looking so young while being a grandmother, characters are inconsistent as heck mostly on the green side, I have more issues with the show but I can’t remember from the top of my head right now. This can always change obviously but I’m just letting you know I don’t think it will
Yeah GOT was huge but I believe that's why they struggled in the later season. A show that massive needed more seasons but no one wants to write one show for 12 years.
I hear you and I totally agree. I think GOT seasons 1-4 is way better sure but it's all about how you end. No matter how we look at it - GOT screwed up the ending but hopefully HOTD can nail the end. Thanks for the comment!
@@Trench-coateven if house of the dragon nails the ending (which I think it will because I’ve read the book the ending should be excellent) that doesn’t mean it’ll overall be a better show than game of thrones thrones
House of the Dragon is basically Game of Thrones Season 6. Incredible production values, great acting and direction, epic scale, making up for nonsensical overall writing, poor pacing and unnecessary changes from the source material.
@@Trench-coat Individual episodic writing, dialogues etc is great. But overall plot, not so much, especially compared to Fire and Blood. In my opinion of course.
It cannot outshine the first few seasons where the dialogues and story was so good... but since it was fucked up in the late seasons, overall HOTD can win out as there is definitely a more complex and interesting ending than what we got in GoT
I think what makes GOT "feel" way better than HOTD is a strong sense of mystery. Watching GOT felt like the universe is so vast, and full of weird magic and weird characters and like anything is possible, that with the constant looming fear of "winter is coming". It created the perfect atmosphere. The politics and family drama in that kind of atmosphere felt different. Meanwhile HOTD is just the family drama and the politics, without the mystic atmosphere. Which is still a very good show, just nowhere near how early GOT felt in my opinion.
HotD might outshine GoT but it won’t become cultural phenomenon like GoT. Better call Saul outshined Breaking Bad in several aspects but couldn’t generate that kinda universal following. Idk what’s the reason for that. Something is just off in past 5-6years.
I agree but unfortunately they didn’t stick the landing with the final season so HOTD has the potential to end better which will make it the overall beter series imo.
The writing is not even comparable, sorry but the first 4 seasons of GOT are so much better quality-wise. Hotd already shows cracks and goofy dialogue that will probably get worse
@@Trench-coat No they definitely can't. Having to be left with "oh okey next season is full war finally" two seasons in a row is quite the flawed achievement.
Hey, thanks for the comment. Not something I’d do a video about but I can definitely help you out the listing the best order imo. Suggested Reading Order: A Game of Thrones A Clash of Kings A Storm of Swords A Feast for Crows A Dance with Dragons Fire & Blood (for "House of the Dragon" background and history) A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (for additional lore and context) The World of Ice & Fire (for comprehensive background information and history of Westeros) Optional for Detailed Lore: If you want in-depth knowledge of Westeros, you can read The World of Ice & Fire at any point, as it's more of a reference book than a narrative. Hope that helps!
In my opinion it already has. It's just a much more focused story with more subtle and detailed characterisation. It may have less overall complexity in story but much more complexity in morality. Despite what many claim AsoIaF/GoT has very clear good guys and bad guys in the Starks and the Lannisters whereas Team Black and Team Green are a lot more grey and I could see why people may root for one or the other. I don't think anyone genuinely rooted for the Lannisters.
HOTD on screen is destined to outdo GOT because it is a FINISHED story written by GRRM. There's no argument to be made, the source material they're drawing from is complete and not done by amateurs.
@Gintello9 not a casual read all the books I like this show but it pales compared to GOT. It has good reviews but even the majority of critics say it's good but not GOT good. The most recent episode I watched I thought was actually bad and had some very weak dialog
no amount of action and dragon war can out do the scheming, politics, conversations, plot progression and character development from GoT hotd will only excel in action, gorgeous vfx, set and costume design... i wish to say audio as the first seasons soundtrack was heart wrenching at times, but in season 2 it hasn't lived up to expectation, just like in many other ways its fallen horribly short im so critical because i expect the best from the game of thrones franchise, as its proven itself capable of doing so! Im not saying this isnt good tv, i was just expecting a masterpiece
It's already harnessed the pacing that made Game of Thrones great. Should it stick with the source material we're in for something that could very well redeem Game of Thrones for the abysmal seasons 7 and 8.
Honestly, after the generic, poorly written, constant action of the latter seasons of GOT, season 1 was such a refreshing return to what made the early seasons of GOT so good: strong writing, tons of dialogs and complex character developments. So far, I'm loving season 2 although there are a few moments where I feel some more generic writing reminiscent of season 6 and 7 of GOT (I don't want to insult HOTD by going to the point of comparing those moments to season 8 lol). But those are fleeting moments in an overall still very dialog and character development oriented episodes. And some of the episodes of season 2 so far are even stronger than season 1 and early GOT.
I basically agree with you. But I don’t think that it’s actually fair for to call HoTD “better” that GoT on the balance. Yes, the writing is better, blah blah blah. But remember a. you’re judging 14 episodes against some 60+ episodes (and saying the story is smaller and more focused and concentrated as a selling point) and b. It has the luxury of concentration because of all the world building it doesn’t have to do. What is the Song of Ice and Fire-what are White Walkers-what is The North? What is the Vale?-a Sky Cell?-What is the significance of a gaunt brunette in blue velvet? What are the Three Sisters?-what’s the Narrow Sea?-how does macroeconomics feature here? Who are the Martels-what is the financial value of the agrarian industries? What of religion?-knowledge?-academia? -And how are the Hightowers different than the Tarleys? Why are the Tullys so important?-why are they so useless?-why do we care?-(psst because Catlyn Stark, that’s why.). What the hell is Dorne?-why have Rhaenys and Cole actually seen battle? None of that is central to the action. None of that even touches on who the Targaryens are or where dragons come from or what the “rules” of that magic is. But ALL of that is baked into HoTD, without it even trying. So as Obama said, “You didn’t build that.”
I take your point. I will say though I specifically said "Could Outshine" and not "Has Outshone" because the show is not done yet so it go either way really. It could fall on it's face much like GOT did in season 8 or it could outshine it because they have hindsight and a more involved hand from George RR Martin. Let's see what happens but nothing is proven yet. Thanks for the comment!
Hello, a fellow South African here myself. I want this show to succeed to much, I love dragons and the Targaryens, but something just feels off about this season... Not sure if you agree and have you read Fire & Blood? They are already changing so much about the source material and that is when things fall apart...
Hi Chris, thanks for the comment. Yeah I think its a mixed bag cause like the changes they made to Viserys vs the book is so much better in my opinion, but I do take your point that not all the changes are the best. I tend to separate my attachment to the book and watch the show for what it is. I hope the season sticks the landing cause Ep 5 was not great. Thanks for the comment - hope to see you in the comments on future vids!
GOT might have crashed and burned in the end, but those first six seasons were near-perfection. This was largely due to the writing, it was exceptional. The series thrived on intricate plotting, complex character arcs, and a richly woven narrative. HOTD has already begun to exhibit issues with inconsistent writing and questionable narrative decisions. One of my main criticisms is the stark contrast in character development. GOT excelled in creating multifaceted characters with profound depth, even among minor characters like Varys and Olenna. In HOTD, even main characters such as Rhaenyra and Alicent suffer from the show's conflicting writing. The show struggles to imbue its characters with the same complexity and nuance that made GOT so good. Moreover, its narrative choices sometimes feel rushed or poorly thought out, causing a sense of disconnect and dissatisfaction when I think of the meticulous storytelling of GOT. HOTD has a lot going for it, but it may find it challenging to achieve the same level of writing excellence that defined its predecessor.
I can't take CZcamsrs like you seriously lol this show is a mess, B&C was bad, TB is boring and rhaenyra character is strange, i was expecting more of her specially after the last scene of season 1, they cut jace's story that make him interesting, unnecessary scenes like alicole, that weird septa rhaenyra thing and her arc with alicent like i can go on and on, even big fans of this show can admit the writers are making dumb decisions.
So far it's failing to do so miserably, it could have been much better but the writing is just as bad as the last seasons of GoT even tho the story isn't as complex as GoT, D&D had a more difficult job
We will see. I def think the psychology of the characters is more focused on than constant action and some people or a lot of people prefer the latter. I personally like both if it’s good but probably prefer thinking about what makes characters tick and their development. But yes we shall see :) Good video!!
Yeah I am the same. I like good action but I am way more interested in the development of the characters. Loving Aemond's villain arc at the moment. Thanks for the comment!!
It’s like a serious version of GoT, grown up and less plastic-y. I think, rewatching Game of Thrones reveals how cheesy it is. Just think about all the cringy lines and scenes after s2
One thing better done in HOTD is that they held back on the sex scenes and only show them when it matters. GOT had too many unnecessary ones that were just put in to show this was a show that fucked
HOTD is great dialouge show but it is not even close to GOT .......i mean the just compare the first two seasons ......and its not even close ....i binge watched both and i was not hyped by HOTD the same way as i was in GOT
I feel like perhaps the reason these shows are so good stems form the source material, i.e. Grr Martin is good at writing stories and dialogue (he's having trouble with his magnus opis, a song of ice and fire, book 6 is never gonna come out, guess we'll have to add george to the list of geniuses that died before finishing, looking at you frank herbert), and ultimately i feel it's all because he worked as screenwriter for a chunck of his life, he knows how to describe vivid scenes and intriguing dialogue to go with it. I think originally he had thought of gamer of thrones as a movie or a show, but nobody wanted to take him up on the offer, as the undertaking would have been bigger than lotr films, so he settled on writing all down in book version, but ultimately this universe was never thought to live in pages, but live in the screen, contributing to creating a really good screen adaptation (but don't leave the show writers with no source material, you might get another s8, i hope those bastards are never allowed near any major work and get relegated to making b series movies, even that is generous)
I completely agree. George RR Martin wrote one of the best stories ever. Luckily for us the reason I think HOTD will do better than Game of thrones is cause the book (Fire and Blood) is complete. They have an entire story to work from - unlike season 8. I am super excited to see how the next couple of episodes and seasons play out. So far it's been stunning! Thanks for the comment and for watching!
I hear you and I do agree that season 1 - 4 of GOT were fantastic. I don't agree that it's bad compared to those seasons but I can agree that GOT had the stronger start but no matter what, it's how you finish that truly matters.
While the source material is really amazing, I’m definitely liking the small changes and visual representation this show is giving us. The whole battle of Rook’s rest for example, I think was actually better in the show and it makes sense for Aegons reasoning to join the battle
What’s funny is that I think the more interesting drama happens two generations later with daeron baelon the blessed and aegon the unworthy. House of the dragons could go for 12 seasons.
Only if by that you mean it will have a finale that was in the books! Unfortunately, the showrunners have already made way too many changes and not for the better, and with many more to come before the show is over, which means that this will be an entirely different beast from the book, and even if this show could end more faithfully to the book, it begs to question when in the Targaryen dynasty will it end?! Will it have only three, four seasons, ending with Rhaenyra's and Aegon II and III's fate, or will it go beyond the book FIRE AND BLOOD and end with the Mad King's demise and the effective end of House Targaryen...?!
@@Trench-coat I believe so too but for more MATERIALISTIC/PRAGMATIC reasons: MONEY! With all the shows being planned and how much these shows cost, I believe HBO will make shorter shows to accomodate all the ones that they choose to give the green light to... Hopefully, for me, Aegon the Conqueror's show will be next... Dunk and Egg, I won't watch it, has no gravitas, no real impact, but a show depicting the beginnings of House Targaryen in Westeros, maybe even showing what that House was like in Valyria, including the fall of Valyria, just imagine the spectacle, the sheer awe, and of course Balerion and Aegon's beautiful and powerful sisters as well as seeing a younger Vhagar! How Harrenhall looked before being destroyed, how Westeros was before Aegon arrived, etc... the possibilities are endless...!
Bruh I’m bored out of my mind during half of S2. Earlier seasons of thrones are leagues better. Obviously the last few seasons take it off the rails but so far S2 of HOTD is not nearly as engaging as the first
@@Trench-coat I knew it! But I agree, HOTD could outshine GOT IF they stick the landing and they have to continue emphasising the tragedy of the dance and the inevitable demise of all these characters
Season 2 is atrocious and It's not even the lack of action and dragon battles that got me turned off this season, It's the awful brain dead writing, monotonous storytelling and character assassinations. I rewatched season 1 of GOT last week and god damn I could watch them just talking all day. There was tension and conflict. It goes to show that a multimillion dollar budget and all the cgi in the world cant replace good writing & storytelling. HOTD, season 2 specifically, is just filled with shameless cameos, marvel-esque fan service, and nonsensical plot lines that veered too far from the book. They're literally making the same mistake as D&D. Well at least D&D had the excuse of running out of source material.
I mean I don't agree with you. I can agree that the season ended a bit anticlimactically but claiming it's the same as season 8 of GOT is ridiculous. The biggest problem this season had was pacing - I for one loved the pacing and appreciate them taking the time to flesh out the characters. Don't really know what you mean by it's just fan service. It had tons of good character writing imo...
Haha I would not go that far but it's definitely getting there. Let's not forget Game of thrones had some of the most iconic episodes ever made for tv. HOTD still has to get to that point but it's certainly trending in that direction. Thanks for watching!
@@Trench-coat sure but even if I had the most iconic shits taken on the toilet, that doesn't make them any less shit. Re-watch it without the nostalgia glasses and you might realize it wasn't that good. Compare it to the books and you can see, even from season 1, the series was gutted in terms of content. Then look at HOTD, where Viserys' actor was so good George RR martin is quoted as saying that he might re-write viserys to be more like the series counterpart. Genuinely GOT was never that good, and the trajectory of storytelling derailed so quickly even before they had run out of source material.
@@delighted2849you sound insane like you never read a single asoiaf book or even watched GOT. The deviations from the source material in early seasons was not only welcomed, but praised by fans and grrm himself. Meanwhile the changes in hotd have been fairly criticized. And the writing is nowhere near as strong as it was in early GoT, it’s good but inconsistent and at times ridiculous. If I were to compare it to GoT. It would have to be season 6 or 7. Where it’s good. But no masterpiece
No it won't i i like this show but it doesn't come even close to GOT. These characters aren't nearly as interesting imo or well written as GOT and the female characters in GOT were much more interesting. And while a lot of critics like this show the majority of them also say it's no GOT
I think have the potential GOT is only faithful in the first 4 seasons. People like epic stuff and GOT was not epic enough they cut major battles and down the scale of the story. So house of the dragon season 3 and 4 can easily surpass
I want to point out that when I talk about game of thrones I am only referring to the first 6 seasons and not to the last two seasons which they did to close everything quickly. after having clarified this fact I want to say this: game of thrones changed the history of the TV series forever, it introduced a new way of telling stories in many places at the same time, it brought incredible characters played by excellent actors, and in terms of script there is absolutely no comparison D&D for the first 4 seasons they made an absolute masterpiece with extraordinary dialogues. House of the Dragon wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon narrates the internal events of the Targaryen house unlike Game of Thrones where the events involve all the houses of Westeros. I believe that House of the Dragon is an extremely overrated series, with a pompous script, with characters that are unnecessarily too serious, a script without irony and without humanity, where the characters seem like remote-controlled machines rather than real human beings with strengths and weaknesses. no dialogue will remain in the history of the TV series and no scene, unlike Game of Thrones where there are hundreds of scenes that made history (Tyrion's trial, the duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, Ned Stark's death, the wedding red, the purple wedding......). the characters in house of the dragon are simply empty, no one tells me anything I haven't grown fond of anyone. they made a mistake from the beginning, if they had been more competent they would have started the series at another point in the story, they started at the beginning by introducing the story with a narration of the events, a serious technical error that made the series less interesting and more banal, they should have already started with the children of Viserys and Alicent grown up, with the children of Rhaenyra and Strong grown up, with a good script and well-written dialogues they would have made us understand the background between the characters, which is done very well in the first season of game of thrones, without the need for an initial narration at the great council of harrenhal. finally I add that the series is ridiculous for various reasons already just for the fact of the black velaryons for reasons of inclusiveness it makes clear the lack of respect for Martin's work where the velaryons are described aesthetically similar in every way to the Targaryen, in addition to this ruined characters like criston cole who in the series is an idiot while in the books he is a fascinating character, they cast the actors wrong because of their age, now in the second season we have Alicent's actress who is two years old more than the actor of his son aegon ii, furthermore that the most serious thing that the series takes is immediately in favor of Rhaenyra by making her appear to be the perfect heir when in reality in the books she is an incompetent ruler and spoiled by her father King Viserys who in reality is an idiot king who he led to the destruction of his house by naming his only daughter heir and then remarrying and having sons who, according to the traditions of Westeros, have more right to the throne.
Thanks for this comment , you are absolutely right but people cant see that this series cant make good characters and interesting characters , on every death i couldnt feel anything Because i dont Care about anyone there , they have no Depth and will never be compared to got at all , blood and cheese was a shame and even sheerin baratheon death was more shocking than that
@@maggierhee0 exactly someone who understands me and who remembers the greatness of game of thrones compared to this flat TV series, thanks for your support I'm happy that there is still someone with intellectual honesty and objectivity
@@Trench-coat not rlly because the source material of fire and blood isn't as good as asoiaf and it's not written as pov like asoiaf so we don't get good dialogue and storytelling and character attachment in this show like got. Unless the writer is George himself
im sorry but this feels like a parody video criticizing the show cuz every point u were making, it was exactly the opposite, the characters are shallow , the writers definitely dont trust the audience ...
It never ever ever ever will. First 4 seasons of got were great with amazing diverse characters of all profiles. Hotd isnt bad but its far from good. Boring, pretencious, washed down characters, grey and depressing. Only Otto Hightower is somewhat interesting, the rest are meh.
@@Trench-coat 1 minute of Cersei screen time is more colorful, powerful and intriguing then whole Hotd combined. Sorry. Not to mention other Got characters...
This show is boring for the most part, there aren't really any well developed characters, and everyone basically sucks... So for the title of this video... imma say no...
Games of thrones at some point was too long and boring Not with the house of dragon each episode is carefully crafted The makers of house of dragon knows that people are waiting for one week just to see one episode at the time if they don't make it good then no one will watch The biggest selling point of games of thrones was that it has the highest IMDb rating
It's going to be better for the sole reason that the way GOT ended demolished it's legacy to infernal depths. It went from my rank 1 show to maybe around 10 or 15. HOTD can easily go for the rank 1.
For a while i thought maybe but as season 2 is rolling along i just dont think it can. The characters just don't feel quite as engaging and the overall story doesn't feel quite as grand as GOT. I do think it further cements GOT as the goat of all TV shows though. Like regardless of how good better call Saul was nobody gave a crap about it like hotd
Yeah I totally disagree, you are entitled to your opinion but maybe try using any other word than "woke" to describe your problems with something cause I feel like you don't actually even know what woke means. Two woman kissing doesn't make something woke buddy.
Do you think HOTD will end up being better than Game of thrones? - Comment down below to let me know!
Yes.
not sure if it will have higher highs but i think it will beat GoT in overall consistent quality. Tho maybe it does both, who knows! the latest episode was really cool, i just think it might be too short, its a specific contained story, while GoT felt like a whole exploration of a fantasy world at times
Yes, it will. Because it is a complete narrative unlike GOT.
If you think about it for a minute you’d know the answer is no
I like this show but it doesn't come even close to GOT for me
If House of the Dragon should stick faithfully to the source material then there is no way that it won't surpass game of thrones
It’s hard to say that though. Even with the shit show the last 2/3 seasons where, Game Of Thrones is still one of the best TV Shows of all time. HOTD has so much potential but the bar is still very high.
@@truetory6231 I 100% agree. Just stick to George’s words and the show will be great.
@@Tyler-qm2lw I kinda agree with him.
HOTD just like GOT has everything. They have the directors, the crew, the music, the production designers. The only difference is they have capable writers that have the entire story to draw from - unlike GOT that only had half the story before running out of material.
The source material isn’t that great for characterisation though. It’s basically a plot, the writers are working with scraps. Anyone can write a civil war against dragons.
@@J_ads2000 debatable… did you enjoy the book?
I watched the whole Video not having the glimps of the idea this channel would only have 120 sups. High quality video with well written script, you deserve some love my dude.
@@maxbrokemper9073 this comment made my day! Thanks so much. Recently started but super passionate. Thanks for watching! 🙌🏻
don't jinx it don't jinx it don't jinx it
Ok, ok, ok... lol
The dragon fights are already miles better than anything GoT did with dragons
Experience and better technology! I totally agree. EP 4 was nuts!
The only thing good is dragons. Other than that, the series is complete garbage. It's no different from the final seasons of the game of thrones.
@@salviadivinorum-qv5sl I mean that is just not true lol
Naw, bro nothing will top Daenerys riding Drogon for the first time. Or even when the dragons were born. I wanted to care about Meleys‘ death but meh - we barely knew ye. Vaghar steals the show though!
GOT was never about dragons. It was about who could play the game of thrones.
House of Dragons will never be better than Game of Thrones, it has even scratch the surface.
You might be right but hey it's fun to hope! The show is doing quite well for itself. Thanks for watching!
I don't think so, HotD has his moments, but isn't even close to GOT. It's clear the writer are the classic Hollywood writers which are interpreting the story of fire and blood with the modern eyes, leaving behind the realism of the medieval period in Martin's books. The politics it's off, the characters are off, it's just doesn't feel like Westeros, but rather your average fantasy story about a princess and her dragons. I understand why people may like it, but miss all the new once that GOT had at the begging and earn it his spot as one of tv best series
I hear you... it definitely isn't anywhere near as complex as GOT was in its prime. This is a more focused narrative so it feels way smaller.
100% disagree, what you said is moronic and feels like you want to call them woke for the sake of it. This show is a masterclass in how it adapts a rather “ok” book into a far superior television. The work they did on Viserys is absurd, even Martin says HOTD’s Viserys is better than his. The only idiotic thing was that coronation scene, and Rheynes stepping on all these civilians, which stains the whole show, cause other than that it’s just overall a way better product
@@BartasRapowanie preach!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@BartasRapowanie I'm sorry if my comment feels offensive, it was never meant to be. My complaint isn't about having women in power, but how they are represented and the rest of the cast. Neither Alicent, Rhaenyra or other characters that the writers classified as "good" feel active, the plot is move by the others, which is a big disappointment. In GOT even Tyrion, Daenerys or Jon take active participation in the plot and do bad/selfish stuff (even if they are technically the most heroic people in the show). I wanted more GOT's grey characters instead of classic fantasy "hero that can't do wrong".
@@UsiQuotidiani.18 what are you talking about? literally every major character in the show is grey and had committed "bad/selfish stuff" including visyres (the most loved by fans?) who literally killed his own wife for an heir. I can't think of any character that is a goody two shoes in HOTD.
imo got is much better cause there was some levity and we weren’t sure all characters were going to die. There are no characters on Hotd like Tyrion or Jamie or Ned. Viserys came close!! by far the most interesting character. Sadly he is no more and now the show is lacking even more.
@@emilyfisher6478 Viserys was unbelievable! I think with time Alicent and Rhaneyra and especially Aemond ( with his villian arc) really have a shot at being great!
@@Trench-coat Yes agree! All the actors are amazing! Paddy Considine should have raked in awards for his performance. Stunning work and thank you for ur thoughtful video!
Yeah I miss weird double sided characters like Littlefinger. Or speeches like "Power is power"
The main thing Hotd has going for it right now, is that its a simple story with far less players in it. It could be argued that GoT came out far too early when bringing ASOIAF fully to the screen was a risk, hence why so many characters were cut out.. Like they could of added the rest of the cast in Season 4 and done it right, but I think the fans would of been upset being taken away from the main cast for a bit.. Hard to tell, but so far HotD is great, and its likely a 3-4 season show.
Yeah, getting someone to watch GOT is a lot harder than getting someone to watch HOTD. Is way more digestible with its smaller story. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
It can't, at least for me. Nothing can top the hype meter of later seasons of GoT with not knowing what will happen. The hype was burning too hot and after the end it's only ashes. Yeah, HotD was able to revive a Phoenix but it's not the same. Not until the Winds of Winter, God's be good.
@@czefix I totally get that… it’s fair to say nothing quite hits the same after season 8 of GOT. I am still glad we are getting to spend more time in Westeros in HOTD. Thanks for the comment!
I think GOT is more popular and could grab the masses attention, HOTD is a more solid and raw, it's not for everyone but definitely is getting better in almost every category. But then again, how many great movies coming out and didn't got the masses attention? It's not for everyone, that doesn't mean it isn't good, HOTD is putting so many others into a shame after the quality they are offering, to series and in cinema too. You are totally right 🙌🏻
Loving HOTD! Thanks for the comment 🙌🏻
Hey I just wanna say how great of a video this is! I seriously thought you were a famous channel before i checked, keep up the great work dude!
@@jdw2k15 ah wow thank you so much! New to CZcams but hoping to grow. Thank you so much for the encouraging comment!
Better writers and a willingness to stick closer to the source material and you might've been right. The show is very clearly intended for people who haven't read the book and found Game of Thrones confusing.
Well it is an adaptation, an adaption that George is very involved in.
If I remember correctly, GRRM wanted to stay in the writer's room for GoT but D&D kicked him out to push him to finish the books.
Unpopular opinion, I think they should have kept George in the writer's room. I'm the type of person who wants to drop a task if I'm being told to do it (especially if I am already working on it) so I can't imagine that feeling times a thousand. I also wouldn't be surprised if he worked on it in secret.
But now I'm going off topic. They should have kept him, especially the last seasons. I think it was reported that he gave D&D the main events that were going to happen, but the way it was executed in the show was lacking. They needed him.
@@psychedelicyeti6053 Not an unpopular opinion, I think most people would agree that George should've been a part of the writers room. That's why I am hopeful for House of the Dragon. George is very involved in the show. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
House of the dragon has a great overall quality but so far it doesn’t have the same kind of jaw-dropping moments that game of thrones at its best had
Yeah but I would argue GOT also didn’t have jaw dropping spectacle in the first two seasons really. HOTD season 2 is already doing some masterful stuff and we are only half way.
@@Trench-coatBran being pushed from a window, Ned being beheaded, Dany giving birth to dragons, The Battle of the Blackwater, the House of the Undying, etc. those were pretty jaw dropping moments. Game of Thrones season 1-2 was great - all the way up to season 4 … then they dropped the ball.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 the reason why we felt that way before is because at the time, those shock factors weren’t a thing seen on Television at the time especially for a fantasy show, now we have everything trying to replicate it so we have come immune to the horrific events that occur on Television.
Parts of game of thrones was boring though and too heavy
I mean, meleys breaking out of the floor of the dragon pit was pretty cool. The suspense in the killing of the baby boy while Haelena was watching was also crazy
I like house of the dragon more
Awesome!
Theoretically, it should. The scale and shock factor of GoT (specifically after season 3) is not an adequate substitute for good writing. Not to mention the piss-poor season 7 and 8. The main problem of GoT is adapting it was extremely difficult, especially since the source material is not finished. Even with the finished material, there are several plot points/characters that weren't adapted to the show which forced the writers to write their own plots; and then that lead to disappointing conclusions either because they write themselves into a corner or the adapted plots couldn't rconclude in a satisfying way with the original plots.
HotD's source material is finished. It was written in a way that allows significant creative freedom when adapted, and is much more manageable in terms of scale. As long as they don't deviate in ways that would lead them to a corner, surpassing GoT is not difficult. It's already got great cast, production, and dialogues.
100% agree! Thanks for watching.
It won’t lol
But why tho
@@Trench-coat overlooking the impact GoT made as a whole I don’t think The writing team has it. Don’t get me wrong the show is pretty good, but that’s all it is for me. A lot of the casting has been questionable too with Olivia also complaining at unrealistic alicent looking so young while being a grandmother, characters are inconsistent as heck mostly on the green side, I have more issues with the show but I can’t remember from the top of my head right now. This can always change obviously but I’m just letting you know I don’t think it will
I love HOD, but the characters, the complexity and the scale of GOT will never be matched.
Yeah GOT was huge but I believe that's why they struggled in the later season. A show that massive needed more seasons but no one wants to write one show for 12 years.
I don’t know man, GOT has some legendary scenes & still haven’t seen comparable dialogue from HOD to the beginning of the GOT series
I hear you and I totally agree. I think GOT seasons 1-4 is way better sure but it's all about how you end. No matter how we look at it - GOT screwed up the ending but hopefully HOTD can nail the end. Thanks for the comment!
@@Trench-coateven if house of the dragon nails the ending (which I think it will because I’ve read the book the ending should be excellent) that doesn’t mean it’ll overall be a better show than game of thrones thrones
House of the Dragon is basically Game of Thrones Season 6. Incredible production values, great acting and direction, epic scale, making up for nonsensical overall writing, poor pacing and unnecessary changes from the source material.
Interesting take! I don't think the writing is that bad?
@@Trench-coat Individual episodic writing, dialogues etc is great. But overall plot, not so much, especially compared to Fire and Blood. In my opinion of course.
Great video , was surprised to see less then 200 subs
Thank you so much! I recently started but hoping to grow. Thanks for watching!
It cannot outshine the first few seasons where the dialogues and story was so good... but since it was fucked up in the late seasons, overall HOTD can win out as there is definitely a more complex and interesting ending than what we got in GoT
They have one job... don't screw up the ending haha
I think what makes GOT "feel" way better than HOTD is a strong sense of mystery. Watching GOT felt like the universe is so vast, and full of weird magic and weird characters and like anything is possible, that with the constant looming fear of "winter is coming". It created the perfect atmosphere. The politics and family drama in that kind of atmosphere felt different. Meanwhile HOTD is just the family drama and the politics, without the mystic atmosphere. Which is still a very good show, just nowhere near how early GOT felt in my opinion.
WTF ONLY 136 subs, wow good content
Ah thanks! Appreciate it.
Seriously well made video, looking forward to more ASOIAF content!!
Appreciate the comment, thank you!
HotD might outshine GoT but it won’t become cultural phenomenon like GoT. Better call Saul outshined Breaking Bad in several aspects but couldn’t generate that kinda universal following. Idk what’s the reason for that. Something is just off in past 5-6years.
Yeah I think it’s because TV and the way we consume it, isn’t what it used to be! Streaming has made everything easier but way less than exciting!
It's the people realizing to not be sheeps when it comes to media consumption.
GOT is far more better than HOTD
I agree but unfortunately they didn’t stick the landing with the final season so HOTD has the potential to end better which will make it the overall beter series imo.
Daemon ,Aemond and Alicent are the only interesting characters on HOTD.
GOT is on another level
I also like Criston Cole, Otto Hightower, Lord Larys, King Aegon, Queen Rhaenyra but okay… 😊
This is impossible. The show is already showing so many cracks that are only gonna get worse
That part! I'm hoping it gets better as the war fully kicks off but the show has been quite flawed since the second half of the first season.
Interesting... what cracks are you referring to?
What cracks ?
The writing is not even comparable, sorry but the first 4 seasons of GOT are so much better quality-wise. Hotd already shows cracks and goofy dialogue that will probably get worse
I think the dialogue is really well done actually...
I would agree with this about a month ago, but now, after that finale and the obivous two missing episodes, i dont know anymore.
Totally understandable… I still really liked it and am looking forward to the next season. They can’t postpone the war any longer
@@Trench-coat No they definitely can't. Having to be left with "oh okey next season is full war finally" two seasons in a row is quite the flawed achievement.
Could you make a video about in which order to read all the books including the novellas and illustrated books?
Hey, thanks for the comment. Not something I’d do a video about but I can definitely help you out the listing the best order imo.
Suggested Reading Order:
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance with Dragons
Fire & Blood (for "House of the Dragon" background and history)
A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (for additional lore and context)
The World of Ice & Fire (for comprehensive background information and history of Westeros)
Optional for Detailed Lore:
If you want in-depth knowledge of Westeros, you can read The World of Ice & Fire at any point, as it's more of a reference book than a narrative.
Hope that helps!
@TRENCH-COAT That was very helpful, thanks!
@@Sun-du6po glad I could help
Their ending has been written
In my opinion it already has. It's just a much more focused story with more subtle and detailed characterisation. It may have less overall complexity in story but much more complexity in morality. Despite what many claim AsoIaF/GoT has very clear good guys and bad guys in the Starks and the Lannisters whereas Team Black and Team Green are a lot more grey and I could see why people may root for one or the other. I don't think anyone genuinely rooted for the Lannisters.
Hard disagree I like this show but it doesn't come close to GOT for me
I like that HotD doesn't have all that woo-woo, 3-eyed crow stuff. It's much more a straight out show of family and political intrigue.
The focused narrative certainly helps!
Daemon's adventures in Harrenhal are all that woo-woo stuff right now lmao.
@@SplendidFactor lol Daemon is woo wooing all over that fallen castle
Too soon buddy you have already jinxed yourself
Hehe I don’t think so
Great video, love your editing! Keep up the good work
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching.
HOTD on screen is destined to outdo GOT because it is a FINISHED story written by GRRM. There's no argument to be made, the source material they're drawing from is complete and not done by amateurs.
Hahaha yeah!
No it wont
@@jeffbachman2949 Lol casual
@Gintello9 not a casual read all the books I like this show but it pales compared to GOT. It has good reviews but even the majority of critics say it's good but not GOT good. The most recent episode I watched I thought was actually bad and had some very weak dialog
COULD but proven it WONT
so sad
no amount of action and dragon war can out do the scheming, politics, conversations, plot progression and character development from GoT
hotd will only excel in action, gorgeous vfx, set and costume design... i wish to say audio as the first seasons soundtrack was heart wrenching at times, but in season 2 it hasn't lived up to expectation, just like in many other ways its fallen horribly short
im so critical because i expect the best from the game of thrones franchise, as its proven itself capable of doing so! Im not saying this isnt good tv, i was just expecting a masterpiece
Not proven...
House of dragon is a beautiful surprise. I thought it ll be dificult to feel the first 4 season of GOT but it s go beyond. Sorry im french😊 Nice video
Thanks for watching. Glad you are enjoying House of the dragon!
Excellent summary and homage to this great show
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it.
It's already harnessed the pacing that made Game of Thrones great. Should it stick with the source material we're in for something that could very well redeem Game of Thrones for the abysmal seasons 7 and 8.
100% Agree! Fingers crossed.
Honestly, after the generic, poorly written, constant action of the latter seasons of GOT, season 1 was such a refreshing return to what made the early seasons of GOT so good: strong writing, tons of dialogs and complex character developments. So far, I'm loving season 2 although there are a few moments where I feel some more generic writing reminiscent of season 6 and 7 of GOT (I don't want to insult HOTD by going to the point of comparing those moments to season 8 lol). But those are fleeting moments in an overall still very dialog and character development oriented episodes. And some of the episodes of season 2 so far are even stronger than season 1 and early GOT.
Yeah I agree it feels like watching season 1 of GOT. Hoping this seasons nails the rest of the episodes. Thanks for the comment!
If you are talking about last episode then you are right, right away
I basically agree with you. But I don’t think that it’s actually fair for to call HoTD “better” that GoT on the balance.
Yes, the writing is better, blah blah blah. But remember a. you’re judging 14 episodes against some 60+ episodes (and saying the story is smaller and more focused and concentrated as a selling point) and b. It has the luxury of concentration because of all the world building it doesn’t have to do. What is the Song of Ice and Fire-what are White Walkers-what is The North? What is the Vale?-a Sky Cell?-What is the significance of a gaunt brunette in blue velvet? What are the Three Sisters?-what’s the Narrow Sea?-how does macroeconomics feature here? Who are the Martels-what is the financial value of the agrarian industries? What of religion?-knowledge?-academia? -And how are the Hightowers different than the Tarleys? Why are the Tullys so important?-why are they so useless?-why do we care?-(psst because Catlyn Stark, that’s why.). What the hell is Dorne?-why have Rhaenys and Cole actually seen battle?
None of that is central to the action. None of that even touches on who the Targaryens are or where dragons come from or what the “rules” of that magic is.
But ALL of that is baked into HoTD, without it even trying. So as Obama said, “You didn’t build that.”
I take your point. I will say though I specifically said "Could Outshine" and not "Has Outshone" because the show is not done yet so it go either way really. It could fall on it's face much like GOT did in season 8 or it could outshine it because they have hindsight and a more involved hand from George RR Martin. Let's see what happens but nothing is proven yet. Thanks for the comment!
@@Trench-coat let’s hope it keeps going strong!
@@CiaoRooster totally! Thanks for watching.
Hello, a fellow South African here myself.
I want this show to succeed to much, I love dragons and the Targaryens, but something just feels off about this season... Not sure if you agree and have you read Fire & Blood? They are already changing so much about the source material and that is when things fall apart...
Hi Chris, thanks for the comment. Yeah I think its a mixed bag cause like the changes they made to Viserys vs the book is so much better in my opinion, but I do take your point that not all the changes are the best. I tend to separate my attachment to the book and watch the show for what it is. I hope the season sticks the landing cause Ep 5 was not great. Thanks for the comment - hope to see you in the comments on future vids!
its clear that HBO set budget free for this one!
Haha yeah 😂
I love HOTD but it's never going to reach the heights of peak GOT for many reasons and that's okay.
Maybe not in the cultural zeitgeist but in terms of quality - I am quite hopeful it might!
GOT might have crashed and burned in the end, but those first six seasons were near-perfection. This was largely due to the writing, it was exceptional. The series thrived on intricate plotting, complex character arcs, and a richly woven narrative. HOTD has already begun to exhibit issues with inconsistent writing and questionable narrative decisions.
One of my main criticisms is the stark contrast in character development. GOT excelled in creating multifaceted characters with profound depth, even among minor characters like Varys and Olenna. In HOTD, even main characters such as Rhaenyra and Alicent suffer from the show's conflicting writing. The show struggles to imbue its characters with the same complexity and nuance that made GOT so good.
Moreover, its narrative choices sometimes feel rushed or poorly thought out, causing a sense of disconnect and dissatisfaction when I think of the meticulous storytelling of GOT. HOTD has a lot going for it, but it may find it challenging to achieve the same level of writing excellence that defined its predecessor.
I can't take CZcamsrs like you seriously lol this show is a mess, B&C was bad, TB is boring and rhaenyra character is strange, i was expecting more of her specially after the last scene of season 1, they cut jace's story that make him interesting, unnecessary scenes like alicole, that weird septa rhaenyra thing and her arc with alicent like i can go on and on, even big fans of this show can admit the writers are making dumb decisions.
@@nickiminaj4pres okay nickiminaj4 chill 😂
I was one of those people who didn’t watch a single episode before HOTD
Welcome! How is HOTD as a newcomer?
So far it's failing to do so miserably, it could have been much better but the writing is just as bad as the last seasons of GoT even tho the story isn't as complex as GoT, D&D had a more difficult job
Now that's not true - maybe go watch the season finale of season 8 and then come back to me.
@@Trench-coat it's total crap i know but the highs of HotD so far aren't even close to the highs of GoT even in its bad seasons (5 to 7)
We will see. I def think the psychology of the characters is more focused on than constant action and some people or a lot of people prefer the latter. I personally like both if it’s good but probably prefer thinking about what makes characters tick and their development.
But yes we shall see :)
Good video!!
Yeah I am the same. I like good action but I am way more interested in the development of the characters. Loving Aemond's villain arc at the moment. Thanks for the comment!!
It’s like a serious version of GoT, grown up and less plastic-y.
I think, rewatching Game of Thrones reveals how cheesy it is. Just think about all the cringy lines and scenes after s2
@@attenberg the writing definitely took a turn for the worst around season 5.
Game of Thrones dialogue for first 4 seasons was fantastic and better than the dialogue in HotD.
One thing better done in HOTD is that they held back on the sex scenes and only show them when it matters. GOT had too many unnecessary ones that were just put in to show this was a show that fucked
@@thevikingbear2343 100% agree. Way easier to convince my wife I am actually watching it for the story when there isn’t a sex scene every 2 seconds 😂
@@garym6338 ok boy
HOTD is great dialouge show but it is not even close to GOT .......i mean the just compare the first two seasons ......and its not even close ....i binge watched both and i was not hyped by HOTD the same way as i was in GOT
I agree but I think it's legacy is all about how you end and that's why I believe HOTD has a better chance than GOT had to end on a great note.
immediately noticed the south african accent. loved the video🔥
Hahaha thanks so much! Yeah the South African accent is undeniable lol
This video has 10k views, it’s gonna outshine GoT videos for sure
Lol
I feel like perhaps the reason these shows are so good stems form the source material, i.e. Grr Martin is good at writing stories and dialogue (he's having trouble with his magnus opis, a song of ice and fire, book 6 is never gonna come out, guess we'll have to add george to the list of geniuses that died before finishing, looking at you frank herbert), and ultimately i feel it's all because he worked as screenwriter for a chunck of his life, he knows how to describe vivid scenes and intriguing dialogue to go with it. I think originally he had thought of gamer of thrones as a movie or a show, but nobody wanted to take him up on the offer, as the undertaking would have been bigger than lotr films, so he settled on writing all down in book version, but ultimately this universe was never thought to live in pages, but live in the screen, contributing to creating a really good screen adaptation (but don't leave the show writers with no source material, you might get another s8, i hope those bastards are never allowed near any major work and get relegated to making b series movies, even that is generous)
I completely agree. George RR Martin wrote one of the best stories ever. Luckily for us the reason I think HOTD will do better than Game of thrones is cause the book (Fire and Blood) is complete. They have an entire story to work from - unlike season 8. I am super excited to see how the next couple of episodes and seasons play out. So far it's been stunning! Thanks for the comment and for watching!
HOTD is on the level of series 5-7 of GOT. Bad compared to seasons 1-4 but not as abysmal as season 8, so people will accept it.
I hear you and I do agree that season 1 - 4 of GOT were fantastic. I don't agree that it's bad compared to those seasons but I can agree that GOT had the stronger start but no matter what, it's how you finish that truly matters.
No it won't. Season 2 is already a flop.
@@happilyevernever4289 maybe for you…
While the source material is really amazing, I’m definitely liking the small changes and visual representation this show is giving us. The whole battle of Rook’s rest for example, I think was actually better in the show and it makes sense for Aegons reasoning to join the battle
Battle of Rook’s rest was brilliant! Thanks for watching 🤙🏻
What’s funny is that I think the more interesting drama happens two generations later with daeron baelon the blessed and aegon the unworthy. House of the dragons could go for 12 seasons.
@@foukyng totally!!! They have so much material to work with. Could easily get to 12seasons lol. Thanks for the comment and for watching 🙌🏻
Only if by that you mean it will have a finale that was in the books! Unfortunately, the showrunners have already made way too many changes and not for the better, and with many more to come before the show is over, which means that this will be an entirely different beast from the book, and even if this show could end more faithfully to the book, it begs to question when in the Targaryen dynasty will it end?! Will it have only three, four seasons, ending with Rhaenyra's and Aegon II and III's fate, or will it go beyond the book FIRE AND BLOOD and end with the Mad King's demise and the effective end of House Targaryen...?!
I think it will end with Rhaenyra personally. George is actively involved in the making of the show as well so I am optimistic.
@@Trench-coat I believe so too but for more MATERIALISTIC/PRAGMATIC reasons: MONEY! With all the shows being planned and how much these shows cost, I believe HBO will make shorter shows to accomodate all the ones that they choose to give the green light to... Hopefully, for me, Aegon the Conqueror's show will be next... Dunk and Egg, I won't watch it, has no gravitas, no real impact, but a show depicting the beginnings of House Targaryen in Westeros, maybe even showing what that House was like in Valyria, including the fall of Valyria, just imagine the spectacle, the sheer awe, and of course Balerion and Aegon's beautiful and powerful sisters as well as seeing a younger Vhagar! How Harrenhall looked before being destroyed, how Westeros was before Aegon arrived, etc... the possibilities are endless...!
It could not.
@@iosonoxkrxmovxi maybe…
@@Trench-coat I personally think that GoT is the main reason why HotD is relevant .
If they will not F*ck it up like last 2 seasons GoT then maybe they will succeed... At least I hope so...
fingers crossed!
I Don't think it will outshine but only ending had potential like others said stick to source material 😂
Fingers crossed hey!
Bruh I’m bored out of my mind during half of S2. Earlier seasons of thrones are leagues better. Obviously the last few seasons take it off the rails but so far S2 of HOTD is not nearly as engaging as the first
It's to each his own cause I am loving this season and greatly prefer it
Are you South African??? That accent, I can hear it! Great video btw
@@andilezulu292 1000% South African 🔥🇿🇦 hehe thanks for watching!!!
@@Trench-coat I knew it! But I agree, HOTD could outshine GOT IF they stick the landing and they have to continue emphasising the tragedy of the dance and the inevitable demise of all these characters
@@andilezulu292 Couldn't agree more! Can't wait for the next few episodes.
Hello? Is bro South African??
Subbed!
bro is 100% South African lol! Thanks for subbing!!!!
here before 200 subs
I'll remember this comment in a year when I hit 100k lol. Haha thanks for being here.
Season 2 is atrocious and It's not even the lack of action and dragon battles that got me turned off this season, It's the awful brain dead writing, monotonous storytelling and character assassinations. I rewatched season 1 of GOT last week and god damn I could watch them just talking all day. There was tension and conflict. It goes to show that a multimillion dollar budget and all the cgi in the world cant replace good writing & storytelling. HOTD, season 2 specifically, is just filled with shameless cameos, marvel-esque fan service, and nonsensical plot lines that veered too far from the book. They're literally making the same mistake as D&D. Well at least D&D had the excuse of running out of source material.
I mean I don't agree with you. I can agree that the season ended a bit anticlimactically but claiming it's the same as season 8 of GOT is ridiculous. The biggest problem this season had was pacing - I for one loved the pacing and appreciate them taking the time to flesh out the characters. Don't really know what you mean by it's just fan service. It had tons of good character writing imo...
could? It already does
Haha I would not go that far but it's definitely getting there. Let's not forget Game of thrones had some of the most iconic episodes ever made for tv. HOTD still has to get to that point but it's certainly trending in that direction. Thanks for watching!
@@Trench-coat sure but even if I had the most iconic shits taken on the toilet, that doesn't make them any less shit. Re-watch it without the nostalgia glasses and you might realize it wasn't that good.
Compare it to the books and you can see, even from season 1, the series was gutted in terms of content.
Then look at HOTD, where Viserys' actor was so good George RR martin is quoted as saying that he might re-write viserys to be more like the series counterpart.
Genuinely GOT was never that good, and the trajectory of storytelling derailed so quickly even before they had run out of source material.
@@delighted2849you sound insane like you never read a single asoiaf book or even watched GOT. The deviations from the source material in early seasons was not only welcomed, but praised by fans and grrm himself. Meanwhile the changes in hotd have been fairly criticized. And the writing is nowhere near as strong as it was in early GoT, it’s good but inconsistent and at times ridiculous. If I were to compare it to GoT. It would have to be season 6 or 7. Where it’s good. But no masterpiece
Not even close imo
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No way
But maybeeee
Oh boy
Ohhhhhhh boyyyyyyy
more dragons in it nuth said
Hell yeah
No it won't i i like this show but it doesn't come even close to GOT. These characters aren't nearly as interesting imo or well written as GOT and the female characters in GOT were much more interesting. And while a lot of critics like this show the majority of them also say it's no GOT
GOT in it's prime was 10/10 but it's how you finish that truly matters in the end.
I think have the potential GOT is only faithful in the first 4 seasons. People like epic stuff and GOT was not epic enough they cut major battles and down the scale of the story. So house of the dragon season 3 and 4 can easily surpass
I want to point out that when I talk about game of thrones I am only referring to the first 6 seasons and not to the last two seasons which they did to close everything quickly. after having clarified this fact I want to say this: game of thrones changed the history of the TV series forever, it introduced a new way of telling stories in many places at the same time, it brought incredible characters played by excellent actors, and in terms of script there is absolutely no comparison D&D for the first 4 seasons they made an absolute masterpiece with extraordinary dialogues. House of the Dragon wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon narrates the internal events of the Targaryen house unlike Game of Thrones where the events involve all the houses of Westeros. I believe that House of the Dragon is an extremely overrated series, with a pompous script, with characters that are unnecessarily too serious, a script without irony and without humanity, where the characters seem like remote-controlled machines rather than real human beings with strengths and weaknesses. no dialogue will remain in the history of the TV series and no scene, unlike Game of Thrones where there are hundreds of scenes that made history (Tyrion's trial, the duel between Oberyn and the Mountain, Ned Stark's death, the wedding red, the purple wedding......). the characters in house of the dragon are simply empty, no one tells me anything I haven't grown fond of anyone. they made a mistake from the beginning, if they had been more competent they would have started the series at another point in the story, they started at the beginning by introducing the story with a narration of the events, a serious technical error that made the series less interesting and more banal, they should have already started with the children of Viserys and Alicent grown up, with the children of Rhaenyra and Strong grown up, with a good script and well-written dialogues they would have made us understand the background between the characters, which is done very well in the first season of game of thrones, without the need for an initial narration at the great council of harrenhal. finally I add that the series is ridiculous for various reasons already just for the fact of the black velaryons for reasons of inclusiveness it makes clear the lack of respect for Martin's work where the velaryons are described aesthetically similar in every way to the Targaryen, in addition to this ruined characters like criston cole who in the series is an idiot while in the books he is a fascinating character, they cast the actors wrong because of their age, now in the second season we have Alicent's actress who is two years old more than the actor of his son aegon ii, furthermore that the most serious thing that the series takes is immediately in favor of Rhaenyra by making her appear to be the perfect heir when in reality in the books she is an incompetent ruler and spoiled by her father King Viserys who in reality is an idiot king who he led to the destruction of his house by naming his only daughter heir and then remarrying and having sons who, according to the traditions of Westeros, have more right to the throne.
Okay buddy if you have a problem with black velaryons you probably need to go touch some grass. Grow up.
Thanks for this comment , you are absolutely right but people cant see that this series cant make good characters and interesting characters , on every death i couldnt feel anything Because i dont Care about anyone there , they have no Depth and will never be compared to got at all , blood and cheese was a shame and even sheerin baratheon death was more shocking than that
@@maggierhee0 exactly someone who understands me and who remembers the greatness of game of thrones compared to this flat TV series, thanks for your support I'm happy that there is still someone with intellectual honesty and objectivity
Spoke to soon, there changing to much stuff
Meh I like the show nonetheless.
I don't think game of thrones can ever be outshined, but I will say I prefer watching targaryans over starks or other houses.
Haha we got our fair share of starks in GOT! 🙌🏻😂 thanks for watching!
I'm sorry but it's not even close to got and it won't ever be but it's still good
It could be one day...
@@Trench-coat not rlly because the source material of fire and blood isn't as good as asoiaf and it's not written as pov like asoiaf so we don't get good dialogue and storytelling and character attachment in this show like got. Unless the writer is George himself
I think HOTD is already better than GOT.
No dude not yet
@@elliotfellows3340 by virtue of not having fucked up sesions it is. They can still mess it up though, I will give you that.
im sorry but this feels like a parody video criticizing the show cuz every point u were making, it was exactly the opposite, the characters are shallow , the writers definitely dont trust the audience ...
How are the characters shallow? There is nothing shallow about Alicent, Aemond, rhaenyra, Criston Cole etc
Your comment feels like a parody comment lol
It never ever ever ever will. First 4 seasons of got were great with amazing diverse characters of all profiles. Hotd isnt bad but its far from good. Boring, pretencious, washed down characters, grey and depressing. Only Otto Hightower is somewhat interesting, the rest are meh.
I really like the characters so to each their own I guess. Love Otto, hope he comes back!
@@Trench-coat 1 minute of Cersei screen time is more colorful, powerful and intriguing then whole Hotd combined. Sorry. Not to mention other Got characters...
@@Wedontknoweachotherrhouse of the dragon is definitely good I’d even say great up to this point. I agree it’s not as good game of thrones though
This show is boring for the most part, there aren't really any well developed characters, and everyone basically sucks...
So for the title of this video... imma say no...
I mean that’s your opinion. I really like the characters and feel the development of each has been fantastic. So each to their own I guess.
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Games of thrones at some point was too long and boring
Not with the house of dragon each episode is carefully crafted
The makers of house of dragon knows that people are waiting for one week just to see one episode at the time if they don't make it good then no one will watch
The biggest selling point of games of thrones was that it has the highest IMDb rating
Controversial opinion but I really enjoy that it release once a week and not all at once. Makes the anticipation more enjoyable.
People like you are the reason producers try to dumb down stories and spoon-feed the viewers. You're the majority though, so I guess it's your win.
be real 😂
I am...
House of the dragon is a pile of shit
Who hurt you?
LMAO
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Outstanding ❤❤❤
Thank you!
It's going to be better for the sole reason that the way GOT ended demolished it's legacy to infernal depths. It went from my rank 1 show to maybe around 10 or 15. HOTD can easily go for the rank 1.
Preach... I'd even argue up and till season 7 they were cooking. Till this day I can't believe they fumbled so hard.
@@Trench-coat The biggest fumble in tv history
@@lawrencefrost9063 might be the biggest fumble in any industry tbh
For a while i thought maybe but as season 2 is rolling along i just dont think it can. The characters just don't feel quite as engaging and the overall story doesn't feel quite as grand as GOT. I do think it further cements GOT as the goat of all TV shows though. Like regardless of how good better call Saul was nobody gave a crap about it like hotd
Let's give it some time to develop as a show before saying it won't. GOT was not the greatest show ever made day one.
Hotd season 2 is really bad , only maybe 2 eps can be saved
I kinda like it... but totally fair if you don't!
2nd season is falling off hard. the show forgot about it's main characters and even walked back their development in alot of ways.
Could you elaborate? Cause I really don’t agree that the show has forgotten it’s main characters…
Honestly I think it already did
Bold statement hehe!
It wont. HOTD has bad writing and wokeism all over it. It wont ever touch GOT besides visuals and dragons.
Yeah I totally disagree, you are entitled to your opinion but maybe try using any other word than "woke" to describe your problems with something cause I feel like you don't actually even know what woke means. Two woman kissing doesn't make something woke buddy.