Could the United States defend Taiwan if China were to attack it? Research director weighs in
Vložit
- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Michael O’Hanlon, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, discusses the “dual deterrence” policy and the likelihood that the U.S. would be able to defend Taiwan from China
Follow our social media for the latest updates:
Twitter: / govmatterstv
LinkedIn: / government-matters
Facebook: / govmatters
Subscribe to the Government Matters podcast: govmatters.tv/podcast/
For more information, visit govmatters.tv/
Government Matters is a multi-platform news program dedicated to providing non-partisan information and analysis to federal managers, contractors and those supporting the federal marketplace. Hosted by Mimi Geerges, the show airs weeknights at 8 and 10:30 on WJLA 24/7 News and Sunday mornings at 10:30 on 7News.
Keep the discussion going! Here's our latest video on China and Taiwan: czcams.com/video/zmqpLrPC_2k/video.html
The US must defend Taiwan at all cost in order to destroy China. All the money, millitary or even SSP technology. To maintain world order.
US asking who cause it? Give me a f***ing break!
Dayum bro. Don't forget to take your anti-CCP propaganda before you sleep
@@work90 anti-ccp, never heard of it. There is a CPC.
@@yctai6151 you mean the Children's Playstation Console?
@@work90 Never heard of it!
@@yctai6151 CCP means China Communist Party.
We have no joint defense agreement with Taiwan. We dont have the military lift to move the required ground troops to defend Taiwan. there is no pre positioned equipment of the US military in Taiwan. There is no Infrastructure to maintain and repair military equipment in Taiwan for American military equipment. The First Gulf war it took a huge cold war US army 6 months to bring 400K troops and all the equipment from US bases into the gulf to attack Iraq...thats without Iraq firing a shot at any of it.
There are US military bases all through the region.
@@bec5250 which if involved will be the forst to get the first salvoes from. Chinese missiles ...let's see if thry got the balls
@@bec5250 So, they will all be blown to pieces. US couldn't beat China when they were using WW1 and WW2 rifles with no air support. They then dropped biological chemicals on them. Now they are well armed and if the US is so brave to send their carrier group during war, sorry, they have no chance of getting within a 1000 miles of China's mainland. Wake up, you should be antiwar and leave the MSM bs behind. This war, you cannot win.
@@MrTnylam Hey, I'm Australian, not American. The idea of Australia being able to take on China is as funny to you as it is to me. And Chinese people are very integrated into our society. They are friends/ family/ neighbours. No one wants a war in this region.
No need of all that. You have AI, Drones, Drone clusters, spatial networks (for jamming) long range cruise missiles. And most importantly remember, the Treacherous Chinese are on the offensive. It is always easier to defend.
Simple question..looking at the map,where`s Taiwan Geographically located and where is North America?..no futher questions!
The US has a vast Navy…
@@JoeHeine Yea this dude doesn't know what he's talking about
@@KeepitABuck50 literally 10 to 1 doctrine… the US navy is more powerful than the 10 next-largest navies of the world PUT TOGETHER.
He needs to look it up. In a war between the US and China, the US wins. Hands down. The only “reason” we lose wars is dipshit politicians get involved. See also: Afganistan, Vietnam, etc
@@JoeHeine Exactly
Great job, Taiwan is too close to China. Not really realistic
Why in hell would anyone expect the US to go to war in defending Taiwan when the US gave the middle finger to its allies for more than 800 days before entering WW11 and that only happened after being attacked by Japan.
Before WW2 the US formally had a policy of neutrality and wasn't allied with anyone. The US currently does have a formal defense treaty with Taiwan which it routinely affirms. There's no reason in hell to think those diametrically opposed circumstances are equivalent.
You left out how America completely whiffed the first years of WW1, too
@@Wick9876 We are committed to help Taiwan defend itself. Ie weapons sells etc. No way we are committed to sending troops. I wouldn't trade one American life for any amount of Taiwanese. They need to fight for themselves!
The rhetoric "Defend Taiwan" is a double entendre. It is very likely to be just provide weapons for Taiwan to fight the war, like Ukraine.
Meanwhile, it's just creating tension and to sell arms as usual.
@@davidmoss2576 Yes, you are committed to "help" Taiwan just to enrich your MIC that's for sure. We all saw how you helped Iraq, Syria, Libya and left them in ruins. But you seem very concerned about Muslims in Xinjiang but not Muslims in the middle East that you bombed to dark ages.
We, Chinese, have no intention to kill our brothers in Taiwan so America can profit from war. The so called tension in Taiwan is instigated by USA to destabilize China. FYI Taiwan will be reunited with China without bloodshed and USA can stop dreaming about parking missiles in Taiwan to threaten China.
'we have responsibilities elsewhere...'
the charming face of imperialism.
usa declared 'taiwan is part of china,' back when they hoped chiang would return. it still is part of china, and any usa statement to the contrary makes a lie of previous declarations.
we must tolerate lies, but usa shoots, visit iraq and weep.
When has the U.s lied, they’re maintaining their end of the pact. China needs to hold their end as well, by solving things peacefully. The U.s. has never declared Taiwan independent but has stated several times that the pact includes Taiwan being given defensive capabilities. Your Bias is showing 😅
@@Ghuttenlocke it’s about sabotage China to slow it down. Cos our kids are too dumb to compete with theirs.
@@Ghuttenlocke When US lied??
WMD - caused million of casualty.
Lot of lives lost in Iraq and Afghan, and Trillion Dollars wasted.
But in the end U.S. Lost.
@@Ghuttenlocke Tell the same story to the people of Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya etc.
@@richardkong4387 Well it will be a different story because Taiwan has a stable democratic government in place unlike any of those places you mentioned. Fighting insurgency in unstable countries and fighting a full scale war is very very different. But I appreciate the whataboutism.
Easy US just have to mind own business and let China unite Taiwan peacefully
BUT.... does Thaiwan want what u want for her???
@@evelynn_teoh under one China policy's Taiwan is part of China has been recognize by UN decades ago
American Warmongers keep on instigate conflict and killing. US keep on instigate Taiwan into conflict.
@@evelynn_teoh Its not like the KMT asked Taiwan natives before setting up camp there either.
@Chad Emerson Thompson Ann the DPP want to be American Warmonger's lapdog turn Taiwan Island into a to Marshall Island Bikini Atol.
20th Century - US.
21th Century - China.
Get over it.
Oh lord . Those Chinese subs are so damn loud my iphone can find em lol All jokes aside this would mean nuclear war meaning there would be no china no california no taiwan.
Western commentators like to fantasise that China is a big bully going after an innocent lamb. They underestimate the firm resolve and will of China to reunify Taiwan. There is a sacred cause to it. In contrast the USA is a mercenary intermeddler who has ulterior motives other than intervening to defend Taiwan.
20th Century - US
21st Century - China
Some nukes to China, then
15th Century - China :))
The USA is over
@@claudiohysi9203 your iphone is made in China LOL
5:29 Questions how much does the US need to spend to get to the point where China would not think about Attacking Taiwan. Answer the US can't afford it! Today China has twice the manufacturing capacity (how much stuff they can make) as the US or More than the US, Germany and Japan Combined plus they have 4 times the people. What ever weapons systems we can field the Chinese can field twice as many and they can have 4 times the people to operate it.
You can’t SPEND your way into a successful military. Saddam tried it already. The US is war ready. China is not.
Spot on sir. Well said
China gains more by unifying with Taiwan without force, while US would gain more by China not unifying with Taiwan after using force. Now what is the sensible question to ask?
@@youspoontube But engaging in an arms race is not in your words "using force". To spend money "where China will not think about attacking Taiwan" is engaging in an arms race with China. The United States can't not win an arms race with China. It will bankrupt the US.
China cannot defeat the US...Our manufacturing could ramp up in weeks
I think the anchor was satisfied with the answer from guest for the last question. The big smile on her face show it.
She supports 'no war'.
Please give me a history lesson on when Taiwan/ Formosa was your country????
@@alanhutchins5916 If you want to find, go find yourself, there is plenty. I am wasting time if I try to lecture you something you are not believing.
@@longjiangzhao2548 No please I want you to tell me???? If you post on You Tube and don't back it up with youth and facts and MAKE THINGS UP then don't post.
@@longjiangzhao2548 PS:: When was Tibet part of China btw???
Being able to defend Taiwan and being willing to defend Taiwan is two different questions. Is Taiwan worth it? Ans: definitely not. Taiwan will just be another Ukraine.
Sounds like you don't know how important chips and semiconductors are.
you truly don't get what people are fighting over! Chips, man, CHIPS!!
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle what is it then because I rather have clothes,electronics,food,etc esstinals on China the some computer chips?
@@Sunwokong more than likely if you live in the U.S. or use U.S. electronics, they all contain components made in Taiwan
@@Sunwokong Apple, Microsoft, Google, gaming laptops, military weaponry, smart thermostat, smart home device, all use chips and processors, and the majority of those in the U.S. come from Taiwan. Countries also included are Japan, South Korea, and the U.S. itself.
US should remember its bitter experience from Korea, Vietnam and Afghans and refrain from getting involved as China consider it's core interest in unifying the country, different than those previous conflicts.
The issue is Japan and Korea. If the US lets Taiwan to go to mainland China with a whimper, Japan will get a freestanding army and Korea will almost certainly develop nuclear weapons (and they will have them within 5 years) because they absolutely have to. Consider SK: a nuclear NK that's threatening all the time and nuclear China that just took over a nearby island. All the other nuclear states did nothing. Their hand will be forced.
Assuming a limited war over Taiwan is possible, what is considered a win for China is simple. It becomes a province of mainland. For America , what is a win? Its ambiguous status remains.
@@stephenchan7398 But that also makes it much harder for China to win because they have to do a lot more. Further, they need to do it in a way that makes it worth doing. Going in there and blowing up every building and killing all the residents (in an extreme example), gets them a hunk of rocks of no value. Whereas on defense, all you need to do is make it no longer worth it for the opposition to keep going.
@@stephenchan7398 You think America would fight to defend Taiwan and leave it ambiguous? Lol.
US did not liberate countries. They just want to start a war just to prove their supremacy. The US used Philippine as they shield during world war 2 causing millions of filipino casualties as the Japanese bombed every US military bases and cities. In short, let China claim their land and unified. US should never interfere to avoid further conflicts
Is it really even between US and China currently? The Chinese have anti-ship ballistic missiles that can hit US aircraft carriers and destroyers 2500 km away from the Chinese coast by way of the DF26, and then there is the DF21, which can sink the largest US vessels within 1500 km from the Chinese coast. Add to that the hundreds of hypersonic anti-ship missiles by way of the DF17, the very capable YJ12 and YJ18, the large numbers of Chinese submarines, and now, the new YJ21 ship-launched ballistic missile to be launched from the Type 055. This is not to mention the J10 and J20 in their hundreds, with air to surface missiles.
It's ridiculous to think that China has somehow "outgunned" the USA. Anything that they build is just a deterrent. Does China have aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Mexico? Does China have military bases in Canada or Mexico?
I think the Chinese military will run out of people to light the wicks on these fireworks that masquerade as military rockets
SSB----- maybe so BUT! how can China get 50 000 across a 100 mile strait? Sitting (( Peking ducks)) ! PLUS! i wd. not put it past the US to run a major 1 st pre emptive strike against the mainland...the Global Poker game !
Well they also have to consider the global economic penalties of invading Taiwan. Also, I have a feeling that cyber attacks in China would increase significantly if they were to invade Taiwan.
@@thatfunkyduck Sanctioning Russia results in gas prices soaring. Now imagine that, but with everything.
The world cannot afford to sanction China.
" IMHO, it's not a question of whether US will defeat China BUT rather how BADLY they will suffered at the end "
You must be living in your own dream world lol if us and nato can't win China in Korea back in the 50s they have zero chance now 😂
US cannot beat China militarily simply because it can only commit 1/3 vs the entire Chinese forces.
Then it will escalate to WWIII in which they will also be no winners.
@@katprowler6805 not at the backyard of the chinese China can outproduce american weaponry with its superior manufacturing chain and besides US has no answer to rare earth replacement at the moment lol that's exactly what the west thinks lol 20 years ago it would be easy
The Never ending korean war ~ chapter 2 commencing soon!
@@ellashy6539 if the Rus-chi alliance had won, the rest of the world wud be dissected / infiltrated, colonized and eventually be assimilated into the Red world order one by one.
One can only hope his defense of Taiwan means having American troop inside and outside fighting for an island state where USA doesn't even recognize it as a 'nation'. 🙏
They will defend Taiwan just like they are defending Ukraine right now.
Taiwan is only of peripheral interest to the US but Taiwan is the core and historical interest to the Motherland, China. Chinese soldiers will accept death for the reunification of Taiwan with its Motherland, China. What about US soldiers are they willing to die defending Taiwan Separatists? The US must never forget for a moment that all Taiwanese are descendants of Mainland Chinese. Ordinary Taiwanese cultural bond with their mainland cousins is certainly much stronger than with the American's so-called democracy
@@yu-jd5jg chill out yu, Taiwan has been separated from mainland long enough that only common thing is language. They are politicaly, economicaly a culturaly different from mainland. If they want to selfgovern they have a right to do so. Mainland China insisting on unification is be like UK instisting that all anglofon countries like US, Canada and Australia join the UK.
But US will not defend Taiwan with American lives, they dont care for lives of Taiwanese at all. Taiwan for US is just a chip/coin in battling with China. Just like US is fighting Russia with Ukrainian lives.
😂🤣👍
@@damirsirotic052 Explain Hong Kong and the attempts by the West to force Western Idealism onto other countries. Is it a contradiction depending on which narrative dominates one's perspective. If West can do it why not China. If West is failing for trying why are they still preaching democracy, imposing democracy on their terms.
@@damirsirotic052 lol. You never been to taiwan have you? go ask your most famous taiwanese/chinese americans Andrew yang, jeremy lin and Eddie Huang. They would all consider themselves chinese.
Wrong question. The correct question is "Is it immoral to hinder the reunification of people with the the same ethnicity"?
It is totally immoral to do so by force. There is no second thoughts on that.
It is totally immoral to do so by force. There is no second thoughts on that.
@@sureshrao1674 That may be the only moral option left. But it's their business. You don't have to like it.
@@leonleon765 Moral option is to leave Taiwan alone. What is the dying compulsion for the Treacherous Chinese to conquer Taiwan?????
@@sureshrao1674 It's the same question about Kashmir, isn't it? The Kashmiris in their great majority would prefer independence, but the Indian army has occupied that territory. Why should China be required to give up its territory but not other nations? The US has its soldiers illegally on Syrian and Iraqi territory. The US and UK have illegally dispossessed the inhabitants of Diego Garcia. The US maintains a base on Cuban territory at Guantanamo. Israel occupies Palestinian territory in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem. By your logic, Kashmir should be independent; Diego Garcia should be independent, Guantanamo should be returned to Cuba and the Palestinians should be handed back their occupied territories, including East Jerusalem. That would make the world a lot more just. It would be the moral option.
To promise to defend doesn’t mean to defend…
That is a biillion dollar question, is it worth it? As Michael O’Hanlo indicated, it seems not worth that much for the US; but for China, it worths all the money, and all the lives - they have their honor and responsibility at risk to face in history.
American Warmongers want war keep on instigate Taiwan into conflict with mainland just like they did with Ukraine.
The question of who cause it is certainly the US, from the way the US is provoking and stocking China to war like it does in Ukraine. The so-called strategic ambiguity is to ensure that the stupid DPP regime continuing to spend good monies buying obsolete US weaponries making military industrial complexes and come congressmen and women very rich.
US just moving around the world making troubling
I look at headlines like this and immediately understand the people who put it together know absolutely nothing about the subject.
The only way China would attack Taiwan is if the U.S. planted (yet another!) military base on it.
If that's what you want, and it seems to be the direction you're headed in, go ahead!
American creates `threats', then goes ahead and moves in to `protect' against them.
Why would China attack territory it sees as its own.
Taiwan will eventually come back into being a part of the mainland, again, because that's what it used to be.
That's why the Kuomintang fled there in the first place.
No China is planning to invade, the communists want full compliance. Put it to vote and Taiwan would want independence. There is mixed history there the Taiwanese do not identify themselves as Chinese.
@@zaurakdigis This is the level of ignorance usually exhibited on the situation.
China sees Taiwan as its territory, so feels no need to invade it. Why would you invade your own territory?
The only reason they would do so is if the U.S. attempted their usual invasion format by placing a military base there, in order to cut the throats of every one of them and throw them into the sea.
And the Taiwanese don't see themselves as being Chinese? When did that massive identity crisis take place. You're not fooling anybody else but yourself.
Sadly you have failed history somewhere, Taiwan was never under the control of the CCP. China was a developing if somewhat corrupt independent nation and Mao's henchmen started a civil war resulting in what was at the time the legitimate government of China leaving for the island of Formosa. If anything Taiwan holds the legitimate government of mainland China.
@@etmax1 What a stupid statement.
It's got nothing to do with the CCP.
It's China, fullstop, period!
`Mao's henchmen'
Mao had the whole nation in tow, with the peasants feeding his army, willingly, and guiding him through their local terrain.
Read _Red Flag Over China_, by Hank Snow.
I've failed history somewhere?
Jesus wept, you are sad!
Up until then, it was the Kuomintang who were perpetuating the feudal society they had taken from the emperors.
The maximum life span was age 40.
The grandparents would walk off into the midnight snow, so the baby would have enough to eat.
That's what your _legitimate government of China_ fostered.
The people loved Mao.
That's why he succeeded.
That's why the Kuomintang had to run!
You sad little person!
I can never understand why there are so many of you eager to make a public display of your ignorance on an international forum.
@@etmax1 agreed
The weapons industries want war, this is how they measure how effective their new develop weapons are, like teleporting hundreds of soldiers or a nuke
😂 😆 After all the verbosity it can be summarized in one sentence. If US cannot defeat the Talibans who has no navy, missiles and airforce or even helmets does anyone think that US can beat China who has hypersonic missiles and ICBMs pointed at every major US bases in the first and second island chain not to mention major cities in US mainland?
@chee-liek Ho FYI Usama bin laden, khadaffi, Saddam Hussein, and Solemeni are dead!! Terrorists are impotent now. China cannot even beat Vietnamese and Indian soldiers. Without the US, China would still be a backward country eating cardboard tofu in gutter oil speaking Japanese.
Depends on war, is it conventional or guerilla, USA had militarily occupied Kabul and taliban fought guerilla war meaning using hit and run tactics. If u r using afghanistan as a metric then imagine bejing being militarily occupied and PLA fighting guerilla war for 20 years. Iraq did the same, they let american tanks roll over to their capital afterwards started guerilla war, ukraine should 've done the same, fighting a conventional war head on can bring heavy casualties
@@bpnk5237 Agree. If, that is if Taiwan independence movement will fight a guerrilla war for twenty years and US and the west can supply them with weapons. But I think this scenerio will not happen. First of all geography. Afghanistan is land locked with long land borders that are easily supplied by foreign countries interested in a proxy war against the Western occupation. But Taiwan is an island near to China and across the Pacific ocean from US. It is also thousands of miles from NATO countries. Supplying its guerrilla force will be tough. China, with area denial capabilities it will not be avwalk in the park. China had already declared that it will go to war with US and the west , read WWIII, if they interfere . Although South Korea and Japan will side with the west spiritually they will be at best be cheer leaders. The teason is also geography. Seoul is only 40km from the North Korean border. The US and S. Korea has about 40,000 troops at yhe border but then , as in the Korean war in the 1950s heavy weapons and airforce superiority makes no difference because of the mountaineous terrain. Seoul will have to fight two fronts and its small population just cannot sustain a major war. As for Japan, China is itching for revenge for its invasion and atrocities of WWII. Geographically it is so near China that supersonic and hypersonic missiles will just take less than half an hour to reach most of its cities. Again its population base in a few major cities plus its small population and land mass vis a vis China cannot accept the dame casualties it can inflict on China. It too will just be a cheer leader. Thirdly, a very important fact is Taiwan is a province of China since the Ming Dynasty. Its population is basically Han Chinese racislly as well as culturally. Also, if you look at the voting only a bare majority of those who haf voted for the independence party. Proportion to the total population they represented only about 20% of the population. So my personal opinion is there will be no guerrilla war if Mainland China quickly hand over the
governance to the pro Mainland ,as in the Kuomintang or any group of Taiwanese , ad soon as the military is neutralized and the DPP independence party apparatus is dismantled.
@@bpnk5237 what a poor excuse for losing the Afghanistan war.
@@chee-liekho5860 Sa Taiwanese person said “ the Taiwanese will surrender on the first day of an attack. Trust me “
The Brooklyn Institute needs to fire this guy. He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.
And this lady doesn't know what she is talking about either if she thinks there is anything the US can do to deter China from invading Taiwan.
Taiwan is the ultimate core issue to China. To China Taiwan its a matter of life and death.
Taiwan is to China what South Vietnam was to North Vietnam or what East Germany was to West Germany.
To say there is something the US can do to deter China from Taki NG Taiwan is like saying that there was anything the US could have done to deter North Vietnam from going to war with South Vietnam.
The US had 3 million American servicemen, hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese, Australian and South Koreans over the period of 10 years to prevent North Vietnam from taking over South Vietnam.
North Vietnam had a meager population of just 13 million people at the time, a military of less than 300 000 made out of students, peasants and farmers.
How did that war go for the US?
If the US couldn't keep North Vietnam from taking over South Vietnam. I don't understand what in the world makes any American stupid enough to think the US can prevent or try to keep China from taking over Taiwan
There is no way in hell the US could defend Taiwan from China. Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles can hit American warships, US Air refueling tankers and AWACS from much farther distances than US warplanes can fly to reach Taiwan or China. US warplanes are sitting ducks for Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles in their bases in Japan, Guam, Philippines and Korea
If the US tries to strike at the Chinese Mainland the Chinese have missiles that can strike anywhere, any place any time deep inside the US Mainland.
NORTH Vietnam barely had an ari force, had no missiles and no weapons manufacturing capability.
China currently outnumbers the US Air force and naval power in the region, plus the Chinese would be flying from their Mainland under the cover of their ground based air defense systems, warships air defense systems and ground based and space based radar systems.
And if even if by some miracle if the US were to defeat China the first time and defend Taiwan.
What would happen then after that?
The Chinese would just go back to their Mainland, learn from their mistakes and rebuild their military, navy and air force even bigger and stronger than before.
Then they would come back again and again and again and again until they would eventually succeed because Taiwan is such a core issue to them. They will never stop trying to reunify their country just like the North Vietnamese never stop fighting until they reunited the whole of Vietnam.
So what would the US do the second time China would attack Taiwan, what about the third, fourth, fifth, sixth. Would the US be willing to come back again and again and again to fight China over and over and over again.
I am telling you even if you fight China 100 years they will never stop fighting for Taiwan because they would see it as holy war and a patriotic war similar to their struggle against the Japanese in WWII.
Remember the Tet offensive. The North Vietnamese launched a massive attack against the US and South Vietnamese troops and suffered a crushing defeat. Did they stop after that. No.
They went back rebuilt their forces and kept coming back, again and again and again until the US lost its will to fight and decided to turn tail. Same thing happened with thr Taliban.
Plus let me remind you of what the US would be up against.
China has the largest industrial manufacturing capacity on earth larger than the US, Japan and Germany combined.
China has the largest logistics capabilities, largest industrial workforce, and the largest number of factories in the world.
If the US goes to war with China over Taiwan the Chinese government will deploy all its entire industrial workforce, all of its population, all of its logistics, factories and industrial production into full scale war production.
Furthermore, because the US has pissed Russia off. And Russia will become much closer to China. It is very likely that Russia would fight on the side of China placing bases in Japan and South Korea within striking range of both countries.
The US would have to be insane to get into a war with China and Russia in the Pacific over Taiwan.
The US would suffer a total defeat and any country that hosts American forces would either tell the US to get the hell out of their country or get completely obliterated.
Chinese warplanes on the other hand can fly circles around Taiwan and still have the range to strike targets deep insidr Taiwan.
American warplanes are sitting ducks in their air bases
Lol, calm down. China does only what the U.S. allows it to. Be thankful to the generosity of the U.S. You would be nothing without them.
@@deebil8099 Clown, China used to be the richest and wealthiest nation on earth for thousands of years until the Opium War in 1840. In 1840 China used to have 40% of all the world's wealth.
The British and then later other Western Imperialist countries including the United States then attacked, invaded and plundered China. They imposed unequal trade deals on China and forced China to open up its country to their goods at gun point. They pumped Opium into China to balance the trade deficit they had with China. They took Chinese as indentured laborers, basically slaves to places like Malaysia, Singapore and the West indies.
All of these things turned China from one of the richest regions on earth into one of the poorest regions on earth 100 years later by the 1940s.
Whenever Chinese people used to rise up against Western Imperialists all these Western Imperialist countries got together, invaded China in force, massacred countless Chinese citizens, beheaded Chinese people and placed their heads in pikes around Beijing.
They sacked and plundered Beijing and desecrated the Forbidden city. They did this multiple times until the Japanese joined them tooand continue to do the same thing.
Up until the 1930s US gunboats filled with Marines used to sail up and down the Yangtze River and the Yellow River to impose these unequal treaties and force American goods into China at gun point.
Prior to the creation of the People's Republic of China the US Pacific fleet used to be based in China. The US, France, and Britain even took parts of China in Shanghai by force and used to occupy parts of China.
Cannot be better said than your keen words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
China could unify Taiwan by force long ago. We have the weapons: hypersonic missiles, aircraft carriers and all kinds of killing machines just as deadly as what US troops have. But we prefer peaceful way, those weapons are used to calm you American people down when American politician trying to demonizing Chinese, like what they usually do before invading Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
The peaceful route is to stop being greedy and keep hands to oneself rather than trying to "peacefully" invade/take over other countries. If Taiwan wanted to be "unified", they would've happily gotten close to China. Why force a country to do what they don't want?
@@bryanlin8333 you may have some misunderstanding here: no countries, including US, recognize Taiwan as a “country”. You call unification “greedy”. I bet you must know a man called Abraham Lincoln. He must be so greedy and so evil that he forcefully unified southern states of America, who already declared independence.
@@Ryan-qi6wq The only reason why they don't officially recognise Taiwan, is because China will have a tantrum over it. Taiwan has pretty much everything a country has. The only thing they rely on China, is for China to not attack them.
I don't know anything about the Lincoln unification as I am not American and haven't placed interest on it. So I can not make a judgement whether I agree over the unification or not.
Don't let america fool the world
@@bryanlin8333 back is 1970s, China can’t sanction any country yet they breaks up with Taiwan.
I'm an ordinary Chinese. If someone splits my country, I can join the army to defend my country. It's that simple. Do American soldiers have such determination?
"Defend Taiwan militarily" meaning what?
Like Ukraine, provide weapons only?
Why are there so many videos on youtube about politics, war, such topics that spread anxiety and tension , and not more about music, travel, dance, etc. that make people happy?
U Tube responds to what you are searching for, choose what you prefer.
Did the Son of GOD not predicted these events some two thousand years ago?
Nope. TikTok shorts make u happy... and ignorant about what's relevant!😂😂
Anyone who thinks that the United States will come to defend Taiwan in an all out hot war, is delusional.
The last wars where the U.S. Army engaged with the PLA were the Korean War (1950 - 1953), and Vietnam War (1965-1968). In both wars, however one spins, the United States were defeated. That was when the PLA was impoverished and equipped with primitive military assets by comparison.
But today, with military capability that matches the U.S. in nearly every domain - air, sea, land, space, and cyber - even the U.S. air bases and military ports have become liabilities and sitting targets of the PLA. The price of a war with China to the United States is to put it bluntly - unaffordable!
Defending is easier. See how Russia is struggling in Ukraine. Both examples you gave had the US on the offensive. In those cases the bulk of the fighting was done by locals. Vietnam defeated US with Russian help as China was impoverished. In 1979 the same Vietnamese thrashed you all in your cross border conflict. Also, as the Treacherous Chinese have rubbed all other nations the wrong way, no way of knowing how they all will react as they all know very well that it is Taiwan today and it could be them tomorrow.
NO. Just look at Ukraine. They talked for 8 years straight since 2014 to defend Ukraine but when Reality called Russia struck, all they did was cry 😭 and range.
The most important question for the entire session was being answer at the end. It's is worth it to have WW3/Nuke war for an island that has less strategic value and after US force Taiwan to relocate their #1 company TSMC to US? We are prepared to sell them some medium grade war, assuming not war or declaration of independence from the Mainland. There is still money to be made by our US company when thing stays neutral. That is why the State Dept will not let Taiwan to made any silly mistake.
Once Taiwan been taken over one fine day...
Hahahaha
American weapons technology which supply to Taiwan will be scrutinized by who it's master is.
First step. Get Taiwan to declare Indpendence. If China doesn't attack, then plant nuclear missiles or Base to block sea routes from China. Will China wait for base to be set up? No way! Is the end game , an independent Taiwan? What's the real end game?
White pride and hubris make an irrationally dangerous mix, look at Ukraine. A whole world plunged into difficulty because of the inability the west to accept Putin succeeding where they do not want him to.
There won't be WW3 over Taiwan for gods sake... If either side chose to use even one nuke they're basically signing a suicide pact because of all the nuclear subs
@@sun1st don’t be silly, U.S. only supply Taiwan with second grade outdated weapons. PLA has no interest of engineer reversing them. What is the merit of copying enemy’s junks and use it against them?
If US try to defend Taiwan now, it would lose the war with China as Pentagon wargames showed. Majority of the Taiwanese do not want a war with the mainland as they know that US will not come to their defense. Ukraine is an example to the Taiwanese as US love proxy wars when come to confronting a superpower like Russia.
I think you'll find Ukraine ready, eager and willing to defend themselves from any invader -- whether it be Nazi Germany or Putin's Russia. PRC China may be surprised to find Taiwan has the same attitude. Basic human nature not to be subjugated by a bullying neighbour with different values.
@@kathrynholst815 Russia will take over all of Ukraine. China will take over Taiwan.
@@kathrynholst815
Lol Taiwan's military is a joke and most taiwanese aren't even militarily fit enough to take arms to fight.
Sure there may be some Taiwanese who are brave and can fight but it wouldn't make any big difference
@@kathrynholst815 mf just look at the size
@@kathrynholst815 Unlike the Ukraine/Russian war, Mainlanders and Taiwanese are both Han Chinese.
When there are too many inherent uncertainties, involving 23m people, the kicker is "who has the stronger will?". Stronger will prevails.
Wars are fought on the chance of success and the economic benefits compared to the economic consequences.
China has thousands of modern combat jets, a huge advanced Air Defence System, 100 modern destroyers and frigates, 50 ASW corvettes, 120 missile fast attack craft, 70+ submarines, plus hundreds of PLA Navy support vessels, 1200 CCG coastguard vessels including many with considerable combat capabilities, 850 MSA maritime safety agency vessels that support the PLA Navy.
They also have a huge number of modern cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles, hypersonic anti ship missiles, etc.
Not to mention their SSBN nuclear missile submarines, silo based nuclear weapons, mobile nuclear weapons and air launched nuclear weapons, and a very robust and advanced defence equipment research and development sector and weapons manufacturing industries.
They are also growing stronger each year.
The PLA couldn't defeat the US forces outside of China but I think that they are well able to defend their own country and interests.
No president would risk a nuclear catastrophe and the collapse of the world economy just to declare a war that would be unwinnable, so I don't think that China should be portrayed as an enemy and instead of being demonised by the western world it should be given credit and recognition for its many positive achievements, because the possible alternatives are too frightening and devastating.
China specializes in self promotion. China projects its power by using hyperbolic rhetoric. China is great at using shining military hardware to intimidate people with no weapons like ordinary Chinese or minorities in Xinjiang or Tibet and those easily bought or intimidated in the west. The west also has weapons, much more powerful weapons in better quality. The west in particular has much better trained military with lots of combat experiences. China, like anyone, can start a war, no doubt about that. The chance for China to win the war decisively is very slim. Taiwan and the west don't have to aim at winning the actual war, but only have to create an opening for domestic Chinese opposition to topple its government. Given China's high concentration of its population and economy in the costal area, the war can cause much more casualty in China than it would in Taiwan. The fight with China is not about winning the actual war but about using that opportunity to topple the communist party in China, which is absolutely possible.
@@sunnysky115 you missed my point, Taiwan isn't important enough to China to risk all of their achievements and successes since the late 1970's.
It's not important enough to the US to go to war with one of its major trading partners and its unlikely that the US military high command would risk a war that would be unlikely to end in a US victory and could actually end in a US defeat.
The Chinese government has actually been extremely beneficial to the majority of the Chinese population and the truth of how prosperous and advanced China is doesn't get shown much in the western media.
My point is China couldn't defeat the US outside of the East Asia Region, and but they are already too powerful to be defeated in their own part of the world, they are probably happy with that because they have been so successful economically that they wouldn't go off on unnecessary military operations unless they were forced to.
At the same time, no matter what Biden says the US would be highly unlikely to risk so much for an island nation that isn't that important.
China will not risk their achievements over Taiwan nor will the US, I truly believe its sabre rattling and bluff.
Just imagine how the two biggest economies in the world would effect the world, it would be unthinkable for both sides to carry out their rhetoric about invasion if Taiwan declared independence and the US military involvement and assistance if Taiwan is invaded, and I doubt that the Taiwanese government would dare set off a potential world war just by declaring independence, the status quo will be maintained by all sides.
The costs to maintain the Chinese army is much smaller then the US, so they dont need 700 billion dollars. first the wages, production costs, recources etc. Everything is more expensive in the US then in China. The US have hundreds of bases around the world that cost a fortune. They have Ukraine and the Middle east that cost billions also.
China can literally use every military vehicule, or soldier as its their home. the US can never even send 50% of what they have as otherwise Europe can get attacked by Russia and in the Middle East well. israel need the US support to end at war.
So if the China cannot defeat America outside China are you therefore saying America can? Taiwan is nearer to China than America....Let America put their armed forces where their mouth is, this is the same thing with the Ukraine special assignment. America or NATO will not be able to defeat Russia in Ukraine because the know the terrain and Ukraine is just across the board
Goods points…but you know?? I see a China with it’s dictatorship communism like society recently in reclaiming of Hong Kong restricting and enforcing chinas abhorrent policies (can you imagine?) And for those positive achievements, they work hard, hacking into our government infrastructure‘s and stealing our F35 possibly up F22 top-secret aero technology and whatever else. As the worlds largest economy, The US provided a lot trade that contributed to China’s rise.
What is the point for China to take Taiwan? Your people are good! Let your people focus on TikTok and chill!
Should US focus on mass shootings that has become daily life in US, focus on your own country and let China and Taiwan to solve their differences
China too busy with mass stabbings !
Mass shooting is an internal affairs of a country. War is about attacking another country, they are not the same. Let's stop wars.
Na chill, the U.S. runs the world. They decide what happens in China and Taiwan. China only exists because the U.S. allows it to exist. You should be thanking the U.S. for China's prosperity. But instead they bite the hand that feeds them. Okay, no problem. We shut down China now.
Telling by the tonnage of ordnance dropped by the US on Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, a lot of people died, and the armaments industry made a lot of money. So it's easy to see who wants war and who doesn't.
So for China, best strategy is to use Taiwan as a bait. Let the US send all their best weapons, F22, F35, M1A2, …, to Taiwan, just like Ukraine. And one day, the PLA will have them all, which will boost PLA weapon tech greatly.
No need China already have those or better
You think it free went the war is over and if Ukraine do win that a big if. Ukraine need pay back the US 100 time. Nothing is free just like Taiwan the weapons is not free it weapons sale. And war with China is not go business in weapons sale to Taiwan. The US come Taiwan help is nothing more than weapons sale.
Very interesting thought
The truth of the matter is that politicians in the West and the US including Australia (Australia which is psychologically totally confused and suffering from an identity crisis as it thinks it is "west" when the reality is that it is geographically part of Asia!!!), are still stuck in their mental capacity and attitude in the glory days of "empire" 5-6 centuries ago.
They may have learned to wear Gucci suits nowadays but nothing else seem to have evolved in their psyche and consciousness from their barbarian days. Instead of recognising their sordid past and history , they celebrate their delusions like "Thanksgiving Day" which the Native American Indians rightly and clearly remember and commemorate as their "Day of Mourning" being the beginning of the murdering, genociding, plundering, stealing, raping and ultimately, OCCUPATION , of their land uninvited, without any due compensation even till today.
But these thieves and robbers take a lot of pride in the stories they tell themselves and sell to the world how great their "founding" was!!! Same stories with the "Empire" where the sun never sets. Australia with the Aborigines. New Zealand with their Maoris. The African continent with all those Europeans...........it goes on and on. This is the 21st Century , for chrissakes! Grow up and come out of that sick and primitive mentality of never ending desire to dominate, control and subjugate.
The zillions of dollars spent on wars and "defence" and the other zillions being hoarded by the 1% is more than sufficient to provide every human being on the planet a very decent and never anything wanting life on this planet with the healthiest and cleanest environment. And we pride ourselves as being the only creature on earth with the intelligence, consciousness and capacity of free will and choice. And these sick politicians choose never ending squabbles, tensions and wars!!! Go figure.
Expert:The U.S. in no position to be the cardinal arbiter of what democracy is czcams.com/video/A2A-tuK23zY/video.html
German expert: Different systems can cooperate if united by interest of all of mankind czcams.com/video/53o7975LrEs/video.html
Ex-CIA director Pompeo: 'We lied, we cheated, we stole' czcams.com/video/DPt-zXn05ac/video.html
Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, And Iran czcams.com/video/_GsDD-9hZ9s/video.html
Julian Assange on Afghan war in a 2011 video
czcams.com/video/_IGU_7alJ80/video.html
It is not important to measure democracy by Western standards scholar czcams.com/video/3W0GIKH22DQ/video.html
Justice may be delayed, but it will not be denied. twitter.com/MFA_China/status/1470759624689152000
Drone Whistleblower Daniel Hale Says Crisis of Conscience Motivated Leak www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/23/pre-sentencing-letter-drone-whistleblower-daniel-hale-says-crisis-conscience
A reality check:
Exporting war under veil of democracy czcams.com/video/Isib_uZpkGI/video.html Uyghur Tribunal: US-Funded Theater Attacking China czcams.com/video/Qt9G0p0dqYU/video.html
The Uyghur Tribunal: US-funded Theater (Complete References) newatlas.report/2021/10/01/the-uyghur-tribunal-us-funded-theater-complete-references/
American activist and social media expert Jerry Day has called on the American nation to recognize the war crimes the U.S. government, military and corporate deep-state have committed in the Middle East and rest of the world. “They [U.S.] are simply bombing whatever they want to bomb, killing whoever they want to kill, destroying whatever they choose to destroy without legal grounds. We are the new global villain," said Day. www.yenisafak.com/en/video-gallery/news/us-is-new-global-villain-says-american-activist-2167332 Broken Treaties czcams.com/video/uOeGTWYv8Hc/video.html
World Debt clocks
www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
Georgia workers held at gunpoint in modern day slavery operation czcams.com/video/AgiSzTav0v0/video.html
LOS ANGELES UNBELIEVABLE OUT OF CONTROL HOMELESS SLUMS | HOMELESS CRISIS IN AMERICA czcams.com/video/MQHKygOupwg/video.html
Hell On Earth in Los Angeles czcams.com/video/08GSVZPkaJw/video.html Blaming
China For US Poverty And The Broken American Dream czcams.com/video/e-E8Ex1bgmQ/video.html The 10 States Where Homelessness is
Out of Control and Beyond Repair czcams.com/video/adq1rlWFE4o/video.html
A Tsunami Of Evictions Could Make 40 Million Americans Homeless czcams.com/video/puBdGsmnT8M/video.html
Philadelphia's Battle Against
Opioids Takes Aim at Hard-Hit Neighborhood czcams.com/video/pKMxALUwxHg/video.html
The fentanyl drug epidemic in North America czcams.com/video/TtGpPhd-c7Q/video.html
TQVM for your efforts in writing this long and factual article The precarious situations in the world today have been highlighted.
Why not ???? What else more can one lose ??? It has been real bad at home already.
This gentleman answered every question truthfully and his answer to every question was "I don't know."
He could have used the standard acceptable American narrative of how the America military would win over the Chinese.
The last answer nailed it, its just not worth!!!
Good interview and well answered/explained by Mike based on his research & facts. War is never good and is not the answer to any problem. Cheers
Neville Chamberlain had a similar idea. The French would still be under German thumb if Churchill didn’t disagree.
Why doesn't he mention the example of the Korean War. Is Americans are ashamed of the defeat at the hands of Chinese in the Korean War? 😁
Conservative military estimates put U.S. losses at 900 aircraft, 2-3 aircraft carriers, an 10,000 casualties in the first six weeks alone. This includes the use of no nuclear weapons on China’s part. A U.S. victory in all probability would be inevitable, but the cost would be very high!
What is the reason for one country preventing a nation from unifying?
The aim is to weaken a nation which is being divided!!!
C'mon man... Taiwan will suffer the same fate as Ukraine...PROXY WAR.
BRAVO !!!!!!
Keep that in mind us not sacrify themselves for who ever till then you on your own
@@billngo7197 very true.
Just attack. Taiwan is 200 km from Chine and 8000 km from USA. Logistics.
M K >> yes but...how do you get say 50 000 invaders. across a 100 mile strait?? they wd be sitting (( Peking ! )) ducks...
@@grandcrowdadforde6127 very true. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Defending 23 mil people what a hypocrisy :)
Taïwan is NOT US responsability. It should NOT be its concern. Stay home.
1 Aircraft carrier sunk= Pearl Habour + 911, so please, do the math, how many of those floating coffins can you afford to lose?
Why China keep building and wanting more A/Carriers ???
Why not just say 10 carriers sunk, america lost? Is anyone actually dare to sink even half a carrier? One thing about the chinese is that they like to parade and posture. Once a war starts, they will fold. It is their culture. A capable leaders like Mao was an aberration and they don't have someone like that any more.
@@Minchya no matter how many carriers China have, they don’t sail it to your door, that’s the difference. It is for self defense, not to attack other country across the Pacific Ocean.
@@ricotheman8139 I have to say Rico The Man, your bravado fits your name !
So China is building ships faster than anybody, this new A/Carrier is another stepping stone. By 2050 China may have 20 nuclear powered A/Carriers, does this really look like the behaviour of a country that does not want to " sail to your door " and is only for " self-defence " ???
@@Minchya “look like”? Here is your problem, you used to shoot around with AR, then when you see your neighbor has an AR too, you just assume he is gonna shoot you as well. You are just afraid other people do what you do. Even if they never have, and never intended to. But you just can’t believe, why he is not shooting me? He has a gun! I must be dead!
If M. O’Hanlon doesn’t know after 17,000 words then the answer is ‘no’. USA could not likely produce enough ammo for such a fight. And as a nation absorb the human losses to it s military to defend another nations honor
Man I wish we would just mind our business!! Even just once
The USA had better think twice....
It is no longer your grandpa's China....it has hypersonic gliders, Beidu, its own space station, nuclear missiles, aircraft carriers, subs, and Taiwan is in its front door, 2 million strong PLA army......strong leadership, united population, and a national goal for unification...
Whatever China has US has much more.
Very true!
We may out spend them three to one but their labor and the resources are infinitely cheaper than ours so the three to one has no meaning whatsoever
This. China beats us in purchasing power already.
The costs to maintain the Chinese army is much smaller then the US, so they dont need 700 billion dollars. first the wages, production costs, recources etc. Everything is more expensive in the US then in China. The US have hundreds of bases around the world that cost a fortune. They have Ukraine and the Middle east that cost billions also.
'Strategically ambiguous' answers. 😂🤣
I am puzzled why US is concerned about about Taiwan. About 30% of the population are Japanese who forgot to go home after WW2 after two big bombs. A large number of Chinese there are dissidents who ran from mainland. I would rather spend money to house the million plus of homeless, have good education for my soldiers, rebuild the infrastructure and spread love all over the world
Well said. American lives are more important than those Taiwanese/Japanese.
Right?
For me, if I was a Chinese military comander, I would ask Americans how many bodybags are you prepare? But I can tell you that not in thousands, you need to prepare tens of thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands, if you can not do it, we have manufacturers can do it for you in a very short order.
In fact, Chinese know that defeat America is not that hard, you just create massive casualty and let the media do their job, let them asking it is worth it to go to war on other of the world. No American politicians can afford it of the cause for the dead of Americans.
You do realize both sides have nukes, right? If China invades Taiwan, it will escalate into nuclear war; both sides will end up as irradiated wastelands with humanity on the brink of extinction. There is no way China, nor the U.S. will emerge victorious from WW3.
@@TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker that is why US will not defend on Taiwan behalf
@@pedrohaonade531 On the contrary Japan has a defense pact with Taiwan; therefore, should China attack, the U.S. would be constitutionally obliged to defend Japan. I don't think China understands the concept of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction), They are communist and cannot understand the concept of cause and effect... The communist party are sub-human sycophants incapable of logic or reason. And will be exterminated via nuclear holocaust as well as the rest of humanity. It would be in China's best interest to not attack Taiwan.
The research director's answer based on all his research...is 50:50
Guess we could have given similar answers too. Lol.
It’s because he know it’s not even a close call, there’s no way it can defend taiwan, so he doesn’t wanna antagonise any side
That's where one becomes mature and start to hear things people didn't say explicitly.
Thank you very much for your insights.
Outspending in military expenditure by USA does not mean much due to over price of US military procurement.
From what he said, nobody can say whether the US will come to Taiwan's defence militarily or will win. Too much at stake for the US to shed blood for this Island of 23 million. Even if the Chinese is beaten back for launching an invasion, she will try and try again until the end as was clearly mentioned recent at the Shangri-la forum in Singapore. Is the US willing to even considering to intervene all the time? The Late LKY did said that the US will not intervene due to this reason. He said it doesn't make sense for the Americans to do so.
But if it will spread out like China attack Japan or South Korea or even Guam, well that's a different situation. But the interview is well rounded and very comprehensive he says it depends on the situation and other factors.
@@mattstephentabamocosmic China will only attack Japan if US used Japanese base to attack China or Japanese battleships entered the restricted areas that China defines during the war.
China is too much of a threat to the entire world. They want to dominate the world. You can hear it in their own internal dialogue. The U.S. will not allow them to take control of the 1st Island chain. They must be contained at all cost. They have no natural resources at home so they have to expand to progress. You can already see this with their aggressive fishing tactics in the South China sea. They bring a gang of 200 massive fishing vessels and just steal all the fish off the coast of the Philippians and other countries. They seem to be butthurt about the century of humiliation and think the world is rightfully theirs. They are on the same path as the Nazis in WW2. They already have concentration camps and are building up their military. They need to be destroyed. I hate to say this but them trying to invade Taiwan would be a good thing. The U.S. will come in and destroy their military and remove the CCP from power.
This is an idiotic question and equally idiotic premise. What a waste of resources to try to defend this situation.
China took on the Allied Forces fresh from victory in WW II and rolled them back across the peninsula during the Korean war. The country was on bicycles at that time. Now they drive great cars in fancy cities. They will surely defeat Taiwan, even with back up. Remember Ukraine? Escalation will mean WW III. Stop deluding yourselves. Your older leaders were smarter. They had words to express themselves and did not fall on their own all the time
Michael is a confused senior fellow, he is about to have a nervous breakdown in full view !
If Russia eliminate universal suffrage form the West, they have done the West a huge favour. Democracy started with only men voting, now most voters are women, and bias laws towards them.
It is why there is an old female presenter of this show, while young men stay home unemployed.
Only net tax payers, land owners, and people who have served (not during) in the military should vote. You don't want soldiers on active duty voting because they can vote themselves out of deploying, also you don't want anyone on any type of government aid voting because they will only vote themselves other people's money via more welfare and government subsidies.
@@TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker Your right. at the beginning of ancient rome, men could put down their subjects - wives and slaves. controlled the population. End of rome was womens rights, overpopulation of grandmas, then collapse.
History would show even though your points are valid, they cant be done. women and people on welfare will not give up their vote, so only collapse can happen.
@@vsstdtbs3705 Unfortunately, the only way people will EVER understand this is if you "starve the stupid out of them." Now fortunately (depending on who you ask) they do this themselves by voting in socialism...
@@TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker Regarding starving, there will be chronic hunger in future when we face our energy predicament.
Watch the Nate Hagens video on 'energy blindness'.
Interesting. Nuland, Van der Leyen, Hiliary Clinton, Albright, Liz Truss, Freeland, all leadind men to their death. Is worth it.
Well the one thing we shouldn't do is let the enemy know what we're capable of doing it out plans to do it when the time comes.
China spent most of its defense budget on the Rocket Army (early was called the Second Artillery) rather than on its Air Force or Navy. O'Hanlon did not tell the truth. China has enough missals to wipe out the US Navy within 3000 miles from China, with DF26 and DF21D. The US Navy cannot defend Taiwan from 3000 miles away. The US Navy cannot intercept DF26 and DF21D yet.
look at it this way. Lets say u.s stops china this time. There will be a 2nd time, and a 3rd time and a 4th time. Until china succeeds China's isn't going anywhere. Time is on china's side
Talk about the consequence to US if war between US and China over Taiwan were to happen and then you can think clearer.
Very well said.
No chance, a real bad idea!
What right does gangsta amerika have to "defend" against China taking jurisdiction over its own country? Should China defend and support Texan or Californian separatists against jubjudication by Washington?
Well said.For 23 million people, its not worth fighting or entering a nuclear contest.
Way less than 23 Million because many on China's Taiwan Island support China, want reunification with China or status quo (considered as part of China just semi-automous, like how each State is automosus in the US)
I agree but I don't think US has no option but they have to.
Ok, Taiwan wants independence. In fact they still claim to be the legitimate govt. of all China.
Why is that America's concern? Arming them is one thing, but sending in troops and sailors is something else.
Taiwan leads microchip manufacturing, basically, every cell phone and laptop you see.
@@Vladishit_Putler everything can be rebuild
O'Hanlon refers to "the fate of 23 million people" on the assumption that it is bad. Has he been to China recently ? China is now a great place. It is super safe, clean and prosperous and the people love the government. Twenty years ago, 4 out of 5 students did not return from America. Now only 1 in 5 stays in the US. Has he looked in the mirror recently - homeless camps, mass shootings, divisive politics, de-industrialization and working poor. If that is his vision for the Taiwanese people, its no wonder about half of them would be perfectly happy to rejoin China.
No matter the size of the army, it's the willingness to fight that would win the war. One man willing to die to defend his home is stronger than 10 armed soldiers.
So u mean tai wan?
@@evelynn_teoh I mean all small armies in world history...see the movie "300"? Now if you think it's Taiwan, then Yes 👍
Mr. arm chair expert , it is not true the majority of taiwanese favor independence .
About 85 % of taiwanese favor the status quo .
Well, he is right
if China says they have to liberate all Hawaiians with a more equitable and non racist society and defend the island by selling them Chinese weapons. What will Americans do?
well said.
Very interesting talk and very good guest speaker. RS. Canada
So now the question will have to be how many millions of people's lives does it take to stand up for freedom
@@edwardharrison9714 freedom and democracy both serve as an excuse for a proxy war.
@@edwardharrison9714 Freedom from White Fascism?
@@ZhenYae so you are saying America is a white fascist country.... please tell me the country that you seek
@@edwardharrison9714 Why not tell the American People what they seek from others.
Does America have the finances to go to war with someone you owe more than a trillion
Hit one Chinese vessel and you better be able to stop 200+ ICBMs
US can't even win a war in Afghanistan and couldn't dare to fight a war with Russia in Ukarine , what make you think US would be able to win a war thousands of miles away from it's coast and the battle filed is on China's front door, even have this conversation is stupid, let along we are talking about a major nuclear power here, i guess this sort discussion is nothing more than getting few billions more approved on that defence budget.
US did not lose
@OTTOMAN KHANETE US did not lose too
If bullying were an acceptable replacement for warfare, Russia and China would both be globally dominant forces. Since Russia is struggling against Ukraine (ranked 29th in military strength), it's likely China is no more formidable. Numbers do not equate to experience. Although I disagree with most of the wasteful U.S. policing actions I've seen over my lifetime, I must admit that 'experience' isn't something the U.S. military lacks. China is a master of 'copying' products, not originating ideas. An onset of conflict would initially hurt the U.S. economy. But market demand would then cause an economic explosion of jobs inside the Americas as Chinese imports disappear and manufacturing comes home. A point compounded by lessening logistic fuel costs and the potential for cargo ships being lost at sea. As revealed by our current economic circumstances in the U.S., our problems are largely self inflicted by bad political actors.
You talk about bullying, in fact American is the biggest bullying this world.
When 🐉 tried to invade Galwan valley of 🇮🇳, they were given overwhelming response by experienced Indian army. 🐉 suffered loss of many soldiers and their morals went down drastically. If India can do so world leader like USA must be able to do so.
Bullying ....the unchallenged champion is the US of A and her lap dogs ...just woke up from a long slumber boi?
If one could build stealth aircraft you can build stealth (nuke) missiles. Then it's go time. Because China will not stop at Taiwan. Xi is the next Hitler. We just may have to save the world a second time.
Afghani and Vietnamese wear pyjamas according to the White West whom Americans think are beneath them. Experience is telling but not always to some.
You're asking the wrong question. It should be Taiwan defending Taiwan. And what about the role of other Asian nations most notably Japan?
Wow! What a logical, realistic, and sobering perspective.
You have left out the possibility that China and Taiwan might get together through peaceful means like inter dependent trade relations, currency unions and cultural exchanges, but the US feels that it is necessary to stir the cauldron and land large arms deals.
I think the selling of arms is something incidental. The important thing for the US is to intervene decisively, either by making war with China or by economic means (through sanctions, for example), so that the rest of the world continues to respect the US as the leading superpower. I believe this is what is driving the US into intensely helping Ukraine to win.
Peaceful means similar to the subjugation of Hong Kong? The Uyghurs? Seriously? Have you been living in a cave? Do you think if they took over, that they would allow TSMC to honour its existing contracts with the west? Give your head shake (assuming you are not a bot).
@@ericderbez2446 So, It's our job to go in there and fix everything? We have 2.4 million mostly young people serving life destroying sentences on a plead out system of justice in the US, 100.000 homeless and most of Congress is owned by Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics,.. Every crisis, real or invented results in purchase orders..
@@User-jr7vf Sanctions as an economic weapon is destroying the dollar. Countries all over the world are moving to de-dollarize.
@@Larkinchance That is the internal tragedy. Without being able to destroy the filibuster, repeal Citizen's united, and reform the electoral college, the US will be forever hampered by the corrupt, undemocratic and irresponsible Republican party.
Resources expenditure? The US soldiers cost $25k a year on salary minimum.
The Chinese soldier cost $5k a year.
Their cost efficiency is much more effective than the US.
Maybe because an American soldier is 5 times more effective than a Chinese "soldier". Far better trained and more experienced we all know they are.
Lee Kuan Yew the forrmer Singapore prime minister said d it right. It is better to work with China instead of treating china as an enemy, because it will be a big one for you that you might not be able to handle.
United States has not finished with the war in Ukraine,want to start another one in Taiwan
China seems to insist that the US stop assuming that Taiwan is their Colony.....
Claire Chenault's bill for services rendered seem to have been paid long ago.....
The Pacific Rim seems to be as difficult for the US Empire to cling to as India was for the Brits.....
The effects of Victoria Nulands War exceeding cost estimates, as it created world inflation issues, seems to be difficult enough for the US to admit to?
Trump lost the easy trade war he created.
So what's next?
@@loktom4068 When Vitoria Nulands War ends we might begin to discuss what to do next....
The question is what do the majority of the taiwanese people want?
@@thatfunkyduck If Taiwan is indebted to the US they may realize that they have been getting a paycheck that originates in Washington DC. That seems to affect the direction of Voting?
As the Inhabitants of Crimea understand, that the people there seem to be depending on Moscow's support for the Black Sea Fleet, they voted as if Russia is what is feeding them?
We shall see how Taiwan develops as a area of US domination, while the US faces some Cash Crunching issues?
How much can the US pour into Ukraine after spending the last 20 years bribing the former Soviet Nations to become our Friends? A $16 billion IMF Loan, over ^ billion of weapons, and Congress recently approved another $40 billion.....
Bombing Serbs might seem like a subtle method of demonstrating your affection for a Nation? It does seem to imply that if you are not our friend, we might just blow you up?
@Marshmallow Man Wow you sure do assume a lot for a Mushmellow?
Unless 3 super carrier groups are stationed around Taiwan, two in the Strait, one in east Pacific coast. There is just not enough time to send any real defense from Japan, Korea, Okinawa and Guam. There is only 150 km from Taiwan to China, within an hour, the following could be done by the PLA.
(1) 0:00, 200 J-6W drones took off from 5 Chinese air fields. At the same time 30 DF-21 missiles launched aiming all the E-planes (US and Japan and Taiwan) within 1000 km. (2) 0:05, 100 Y-20 transports took off with 100 paratroopers in each plane. (3) 0:25, J-6W anti-radiation drones found all the surface mounted radars in Taiwan. Some drones were shot down by Taiwan missiles but remaining drones destroyed all the radars. 300 PLA jet fighters and bombers took off. (4) 0:30, all the E-planes were shot down, Taiwan air defense went dark. (5) 0:30, 300 mid-range ballistic and cruise missiles launched aiming all Taiwan air field run ways, fuel depots, missile batteries, switch yards and warships in the Strait. (6) 0:40, all the runways, warships, batteries, switch yards and fuel depots destroyed. (7) 0:45, 100 Y-20 transports dropped 10,000 paratroopers at all airbases, big bridges and Taiwan capital DOD War center. (8) 0:45, the 300 PLA jet fighters and bombers shot down in-air Taiwan jet fighters, and bombed all military bases. (9) 0:60, 2nd wave 300 cruise missiles arrived, destroyed all the communication facilities and major power plants, the entire island went silence and dark.
If US launch many nuke missiles to destroy Chinese air fields at 0:05, then the destruction of Taiwan air/sea defense can be prevented. US Congress may be needed to approve such nuke strikes. 😎
There’s a saying, “TALK IS CHEAP”.
The USA is going down. It is frantic now
This is true. U.S. Navy nuclear submarines "going down" (underwater) will be potent weapons against the frantic Chinese.
What do you export to them that they can't do without , and vice versa . They make 95% of the world's medicines .
every industry, company restaurant, car factories, and so on use Chinese components. Allmost all the kobalt that is needed for car bateries is under Chinese companies. They own every kobalt mines in Congo. which is the biggest export of Kobalt in the world.
This guy is shaking when he talks 😂 us can't afford another war especially with another superpower defence budget is nothing China can produce military weapons at 500%less cost and their building chain is unparalleled
What's Taiwan official name? The republic of China. What does Taiwan's constitution state? that it's part of China. What did USA agree to? That Taiwan is part of China and that it will work to help peaceful reunification. All stuff you never hear in the west.
The moral of the story is you hit him and they hit you.
We all knew that the 2 oceans is no longer the natural protective barriers of the past.
It's Ukraine or Taiwan.
The US has to pick which one it will defend to the end because it can't do both.
It can defend either of them
@vlADOLF PUTLER sure, we've only given Ukraine nearly half our ATGMs, a third of our artillery munitions, and other war stocks. But yeah, mean speeches should work fine just like they are in Ukraine
@@FrontLinePub not sure where you heard these figures but you are way misinformed.
@@spammerscammer having worked as a staff officer at US European Command for years I still have friends there. The fact is our defense industry cannot replace the munitions we gave to Ukraine for upwards of three plus years and that's if we don't expend anyone or give them more.
It's a supply chain issue where we just don't have the components parts, materials etc, to ramp up production. These are advanced weapons that can't be easily or quickly built unless we rapidly fix the supply chain problems and too much of that is reliant on Taiwan, rare earth materials we don't have large access too, fuel shortages, lingering Covid bottlenecks, etc.
Ukraine had nearly run out of 152mm rounds and can't readily get more. NATO uses 155mm tubes/ammo.
Converting them over means handing them upwards of 500-1,000 brand new 155mm howitzers and their trucks to tow/supply them.
The US Marines have just under 500 tubes. That means the US would have to strip the entire Marine Corps just to replace half the Ukrainian 152mm tubes with NATO 155mm tubes so we could give them ammo we have and can produce.
This is a HUGE problem that can't be readily solved and no amount of name calling will fix it.
Logistically the US can't support Ukraine for much longer without giving up any viable ability to defend Taiwan beyond direct naval intervention. We couldn't support a proxy war of giving them munitions like we are in Ukraine.
If Biden declares war or halts civilian production at our auto industries and heavy manufacturing we could get caught up by Christmas maybe, but he's not likely to do that. It's just the way it is right now.
We are never going to militarily defend Ukraine. No US boots on the ground, aircraft in the sky and ships in the Black Sea. Only way we fight russia is if they step foot on NATO territory. We will defend every inch of nato territory.
Wow... That was a great assessment of the situation
Let's take a look Afghanistan, what have we learned from the American corruption ...
We could not successfully defend Taiwan by conventional means, unless perhaps if it was our one and only battle front - which it WON'T be.