That's one thing that really bothers me about these vids and some of the discussions I've had with tool reps. The rigidity of your machine is one of the biggest factors when it comes to machining like this. I had a dude from kennametal tell me to plug in a doc of .1 and a feed of .022 ipr. And I was machining s-7 tool steel. After a discussion with the shop owner I reluctantly plugged in the numbers and the owner came out to watch as the spindle load jumped up to 200% and before the machine could alarm out it managed to shear 3/4 bolts connecting the holder to the turret, the alignment pins in the holder were falling out. And it deformed the alignment holes in the turret. The machine was never the same afterwards.
@@beachboardfan9544 that's absolutely right. I didn't mention hp because it's usually what is used to calculate these variables. This was a 25hp machine.
Isn't HP directly related to rigidity? What's the point of a 50+ HP machine if it's not rigid? Better having a low HP machine with enough rigidity to go 120-130% once in a while than a powerful machine that breaks tools when you go above 50% load because it's all floppy and the tools hate it
Cutter Speed (in the Machineries Handbook) , times 4 , devided by diameter will get you close, then push it / tune it to the capacity of your available horse power and tooling. Contacting your tooling manufacturer for recommended speeds / feeds / loads can save you lots of time too. Listen carefully while it's running. The sounds the machine makes while cutting will tell you if you have it right. Good video
yes, exactly. Not sure why so many people flock here. This entire video gave us ZERO information, only him boasting about his ability once again, and showing off what his machines will do. It's kinda sick honestly.
You are an amazing speaker ! I've been binge watching your videos since finding your channel a few days ago, there is sooooo much info here it is insane !
Pushing tooling is super fun. But I find it has limited uses. Personally I am a big fan of being a little conservative on my speeds and feeds and gaining tool life and tool reliability and consistency so I can run longer runs lights out. I have a job in our shop that I can set up Friday night and it will just be finishing as I come back into work on Monday. It's only aluminum so tool life isn't a huge concern, but it is 5 axis mill-turn with multiple 0.001" tolerances. In process probing with automatic offset adjustment is amazing to have too.
Just home hobbyist total n00b but Q. How do we gain tool life by going slower, thus risking more rubbing, with the extra heat and wear that results? Surely if the tool does not break, chip or chatter, then the tool's life will be *extended* by a more aggressive cuts, within those limits?
I've done over 1200 sfm in maraging stainless, and found the literal limits dry of the cutter coating before failure. My company things I'm nuts, and I think you guys are nuts. But for once- I agree with you.
In soviet Russia, if you increase employers money by optimising and reducing mashine time, he just give you more job, but your payment remains the same.
Nowadays in USA, a lot of employers also do that. Their incentive is to get most value for little pay, and will make a good quality employee feel replaceable...
Hi Titan, I have been watching a lot of your video catalog and I am a huge fan. I was wondering if you could do me a favor, could you state the material you are cutting through in the video description? I appreciate that you include details such as cutter models, removal speeds, etc. But as a hobbyist machinist, I would love to know what material grades are being cut and why those specific alloys/grades of material are being chosen.
@@urgamecshk Hi Julius, Thanks for your reply. I understand that the material is selected to meet the customer needs, but I was looking for specifics. Steels and other materials come in engineering grades. I have worked with 01 tool steel and both 306 and 316 stainless steels, but for the bulk of my experience it has been 6061 aluminum. I was hoping to gain some insight into machining steel as opposed to aluminum. I did not see anywhere in the description where the engineering grades of material were called out.
Harvey guys are who you need to talk to. Their guys actually care. I think Titan just turned into a Kennametal salesman and likely gets an advertising cut from them.
At my shop we have technicians from our machine tool vendor come out and preventative maintenance at intervals specified by the manufacturer. We have an in house guy who's taking on some of those responsibilities now. It saves us money and allows us more flexibility to do things on our schedule instead of when the vendor techs were available. We are ISO 13485 (medical device manufacturing) certified, so all of this stuff has to be done by the book.
There is going to be a few other factors involved there. Such as the material your tool is made of, the number of cutting edges, your material removal rate, and rather or not you use coolant.
@@Num6er47 Harvi III like in the video. I guess they are 4 flute mostly Or equivalent, not looking for specifics, just what kind of life you can expect from these feeds and speeds in these machines. With similar tools but in kinder steel grades.
@@Pukelful as far as just plowing through material your should be able to get several hours cut time. It's hard to say because there's still many variables to consider and my mill experience is limited. I worked in a job shop and I would use the same tool for weeks or months.
you're right. This video didn't teach a single thing. It's only him boasting once again. If you actually want to learn, to go NYC CNC's channel. Saunder's really truly teaches his subscribers, not just a bragging video on what he does, then shows off and leaves his viewers a bit dumber just for watching. No speeds or feeds were even discussed really.. just some examples, but no machine info. I can't even run my CNC at 800 IPM. My machine maxes out at 300 IPM, and 10,000 rpm. I don't have the HP to even consider it. I only wanted basic info, so back to NYC CNC. He's got excel sheets, etc, he actually provides to people.
@@poppabear9279He told you the truth. His speeds and feeds come from experience and constantly trying to push it faster. There is no perfect speeds and feeds calculator. Your machines and tooling are different than what he has. You have to simply try stuff. But in general for end mills. I would try to cut using side milling when possible at a depth 1-2 times the diameter of end mill. with a fpt of about .004-.006 with 8-10% diameter step over. And run the rpm at whatever gets you to an ipm over 100.
Now if only I had a machine that could handle the feeds and speeds you guys give us 😄
That's one thing that really bothers me about these vids and some of the discussions I've had with tool reps. The rigidity of your machine is one of the biggest factors when it comes to machining like this. I had a dude from kennametal tell me to plug in a doc of .1 and a feed of .022 ipr. And I was machining s-7 tool steel. After a discussion with the shop owner I reluctantly plugged in the numbers and the owner came out to watch as the spindle load jumped up to 200% and before the machine could alarm out it managed to shear 3/4 bolts connecting the holder to the turret, the alignment pins in the holder were falling out. And it deformed the alignment holes in the turret. The machine was never the same afterwards.
@@Num6er47 Power too, highest power machine I have in my shop is a 10hp lathe. You're not running feeds and speeds like that with >10hp.
Oh you can run the speeds and feeds shown. I’m sure of that. But your radial and axial would be almost non existent in order to do so
@@beachboardfan9544 that's absolutely right. I didn't mention hp because it's usually what is used to calculate these variables. This was a 25hp machine.
Isn't HP directly related to rigidity? What's the point of a 50+ HP machine if it's not rigid? Better having a low HP machine with enough rigidity to go 120-130% once in a while than a powerful machine that breaks tools when you go above 50% load because it's all floppy and the tools hate it
Cutter Speed (in the Machineries Handbook) , times 4 , devided by diameter will get you close, then push it / tune it to the capacity of your available horse power and tooling.
Contacting your tooling manufacturer for recommended speeds / feeds / loads can save you lots of time too.
Listen carefully while it's running. The sounds the machine makes while cutting will tell you if you have it right.
Good video
Most important for a good cnc operator/machinist are his eyes and especially his ears. 😂
Without that don't even think on max. Feeds and Speeds. 😉
So I have to ask my tool rep to get the speeds and feeds. I could really use some help on milling steel
This channel shows no real machining tutorials.its just pitch sales for all those expensive toys they give him to sell.
yes, exactly. Not sure why so many people flock here. This entire video gave us ZERO information, only him boasting about his ability once again, and showing off what his machines will do. It's kinda sick honestly.
Foreal he didn't say the formula to get your speed and convert it to the IPM
You are an amazing speaker ! I've been binge watching your videos since finding your channel a few days ago, there is sooooo much info here it is insane !
Keep the videos coming! Appreciate you all. Much love and gratitude
Titan is the celebrity of our industry. Change my mind.
He really is
Pushing tooling is super fun. But I find it has limited uses. Personally I am a big fan of being a little conservative on my speeds and feeds and gaining tool life and tool reliability and consistency so I can run longer runs lights out. I have a job in our shop that I can set up Friday night and it will just be finishing as I come back into work on Monday. It's only aluminum so tool life isn't a huge concern, but it is 5 axis mill-turn with multiple 0.001" tolerances. In process probing with automatic offset adjustment is amazing to have too.
Just home hobbyist total n00b but Q. How do we gain tool life by going slower, thus risking more rubbing, with the extra heat and wear that results? Surely if the tool does not break, chip or chatter, then the tool's life will be *extended* by a more aggressive cuts, within those limits?
CRAZY BOOM
May God wonderfully bless you Titan and your family your workers your customers and your suppliers AMEN.
I've done over 1200 sfm in maraging stainless, and found the literal limits dry of the cutter coating before failure. My company things I'm nuts, and I think you guys are nuts. But for once- I agree with you.
Sooooo How do I get the best speeds and feeds for any material ? 🤔
Get the machinist metal handbook it tells you the CS and SFM of any material you can come across
Love watching your show and let the chips fly. Keep em coming.
One saying we had in our shop was " Perfect Preparation Prevents Poor Performance "
You guy so amazing
LOVE THIS!!
In soviet Russia, if you increase employers money by optimising and reducing mashine time, he just give you more job, but your payment remains the same.
Nowadays in USA, a lot of employers also do that. Their incentive is to get most value for little pay, and will make a good quality employee feel replaceable...
Macro program pls explain Haas machine ?
wow best and the best
Hi Titan, I have been watching a lot of your video catalog and I am a huge fan. I was wondering if you could do me a favor, could you state the material you are cutting through in the video description? I appreciate that you include details such as cutter models, removal speeds, etc. But as a hobbyist machinist, I would love to know what material grades are being cut and why those specific alloys/grades of material are being chosen.
The original videos explain the material. Material is chosen because that's what the customer ordered. N
@@urgamecshk Hi Julius, Thanks for your reply. I understand that the material is selected to meet the customer needs, but I was looking for specifics. Steels and other materials come in engineering grades. I have worked with 01 tool steel and both 306 and 316 stainless steels, but for the bulk of my experience it has been 6061 aluminum. I was hoping to gain some insight into machining steel as opposed to aluminum. I did not see anywhere in the description where the engineering grades of material were called out.
When you call Kennametal they just look in the catalog. Kind of worthless not "engineers" just salesman as most cutting tool sellers.
Harvey guys are who you need to talk to. Their guys actually care. I think Titan just turned into a Kennametal salesman and likely gets an advertising cut from them.
Titan explains it in layman terms
BOOM, do you think a TIKI TOTEM 3D can be Made ?
Hi, hou dit you got work when you starded your compeny
What type of Steel is this in Europen equivalent? Greets from Germany
Is the last video p 20 steel?
Seriously.the reps give this guy these expensive toys and goes boom look at me going 300 inches a minute.good luck on old mill old machines
How do you service those machines to keep delivering those feeds and speeds? Some random electricians and technicians are not going to cut it.
The machine manufacturers have their own technicians
At my shop we have technicians from our machine tool vendor come out and preventative maintenance at intervals specified by the manufacturer. We have an in house guy who's taking on some of those responsibilities now. It saves us money and allows us more flexibility to do things on our schedule instead of when the vendor techs were available. We are ISO 13485 (medical device manufacturing) certified, so all of this stuff has to be done by the book.
Faster is not better, size of tools and efficiency of tool and machine accuracy is key. Those tool manufacturers will sell you anything.
run it till it explodes and then back it off 10% lol
How many minutes in cut should a quarter inch endmill last in a material like C45 or general construction steel?
There is going to be a few other factors involved there. Such as the material your tool is made of, the number of cutting edges, your material removal rate, and rather or not you use coolant.
@@Num6er47 Harvi III like in the video.
I guess they are 4 flute mostly
Or equivalent, not looking for specifics, just what kind of life you can expect from these feeds and speeds in these machines. With similar tools but in kinder steel grades.
@@Pukelful as far as just plowing through material your should be able to get several hours cut time. It's hard to say because there's still many variables to consider and my mill experience is limited. I worked in a job shop and I would use the same tool for weeks or months.
“Hey Titan. How do you get your feeds n speeds!”
- said no one ever
What if titan actually gives false information so that his competitors machines and tools would break 😂😂
Doesn’t seem like something Titan would do
you're right. This video didn't teach a single thing. It's only him boasting once again. If you actually want to learn, to go NYC CNC's channel. Saunder's really truly teaches his subscribers, not just a bragging video on what he does, then shows off and leaves his viewers a bit dumber just for watching. No speeds or feeds were even discussed really.. just some examples, but no machine info. I can't even run my CNC at 800 IPM. My machine maxes out at 300 IPM, and 10,000 rpm. I don't have the HP to even consider it. I only wanted basic info, so back to NYC CNC. He's got excel sheets, etc, he actually provides to people.
@@poppabear9279He told you the truth. His speeds and feeds come from experience and constantly trying to push it faster. There is no perfect speeds and feeds calculator. Your machines and tooling are different than what he has. You have to simply try stuff. But in general for end mills. I would try to cut using side milling when possible at a depth 1-2 times the diameter of end mill. with a fpt of about .004-.006 with 8-10% diameter step over. And run the rpm at whatever gets you to an ipm over 100.