DCS WORLD: KA-50 Black Shark 3 || IGLA Air to Air Missile
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- In this DCS world video we will be taking a look at the Igla Air to Air missile for the KA-50 Black Shark 3 which is releasing soon!
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Time Stamps -
00:00 Intro
01:47 IGLA Set Up
04:50 IGLA in Action
06:23 Outro - Hry
I don't think its possible to make a tutorial more clear and to the point than this! Great job
Happy to hear it was clear
Great vid. Was surprised by the submarine at the end with the hump of water on the bow due to its movement. What a nice addition :)
Nice one! Looking forward to seeing this updated module! I’ve always liked the KA50 so it will be nice when it’s all new and shiny with all new gizmos etc….
Loved it, thanks. But missed Wagner saying, "Hey guys, Wags here from eagle dynamics!".
That's how it's done, Wolf! Short and informative! Good Job!
Nice work! Very understandable with nice info about the weapon itself at the start
Nice!! Well made tutorial! Lovely to see the BS3 closing in for release!
Looking good and what a wicked shot with the sub.
Great stuff as usual. Liked the ending with the sub, cool visual. Have the Shark II, will probably get this when it comes out. She's been needing some polish for awhile now.
This is bloody brilliant.
Nice one today loved it.
Didn't find it at ALL useful because I don't have DCS but I did find it enjoyable!! 😆
Glad it was enjoyable!
Same here. Always love the content.
Love the looks of this helicopter
Lovely tutorial!! Can't wait for BS3!!!!
Looks a beautiful craft
Looks amazing. Inside and outside. I guess I didn't need to join the military after all.
That rotor head animation feels soo good.
Great video! Hope you can post one soon detailing the new MWS and auto flare deployment. Thanks!
Great job on the tutorial. Short and to the point. Feel bad for all the Apache drivers as they have a whole new threat to deal with with the Ka50.
Thanks man, i bought the BS3 like a week ago, and i was having trouble to acquire airborne targets, now i know that it was because of the MANUAL mode that i had selected (because of the vikhirs) and i didnt push the uncage button, so for the next time i will set it back to AUTO!
Thanks mate, you deserved my like!
The Iglas will be a welcome addition to the Ka-50. Excited to see the countermeasure updates too. Great stuff WP. Looking forward to BS3 and love that ED is giving you more of these tutorials.
Side note to those talking about lack of Stingers on the Apache - the Missile Warning System has been fitted instead in our Block II. When we get the Longbow FCR and Radar Hellfires, it should have an A2A mode and short-range Fox 3 capability 🤙🏻
more like a fox1
@@BurntPlaydoh The RF version of hellfires ain't used because they are untrustworthy, doesn't offer buddy guidance (Kiowa Warrior), alert the ground units from radar (like example Strela-10M4 has RWR, but MBT and IFV usually have a LWS against other MBT), AND requires that target doesn't use any clover countermeasures like covered from branches, RF nets and like...
And once you have launched RF version, you can't cancel the impact anymore. Laser version allows you stop lazing or aim elsewhere.
AND key factor is, the D's longbow radar isn't so reliable and great that you could detect most targets with it, why optical targeting system is the primary sensor for everything.
The idea that when longbow radar comes out, that player could just reveal radar and get perfect target map, is nothing else than DCS fantasy if so happens. In reality, not so...
The BS3 didn't get IR/RF turrets that was key in President-S system. The two turrets below and front of rear wheels that has capability jam IR missiles and radar guided missiles when system classify missile as threat to itself. As the system tracks all signatures and detects if the threat is flying toward itself, or is it flying elsewhere (reversed proportional navigation), and then of it is a threat, it will know the threat distance and time counter measures to optimal range.
ED didn't implement these, even when it doesn't need to know anything classified about the system to simulate that properly.
@@paristo Thank you for these two comments.
Really looking forward to the updated Shark, nice guide.
Guess I'm going to have to remake my Iran skin for this one!
Well done man! You are getting to where you are making tutorials as well as Wags himself!
Short and sweet thankyou. Alt tabs back in to sim...
Great vid, well need all 4 for the Might MI8 AI :)
You teach me so much dad
👋🏼 🤠 cowboy, it's the time for you to rodeo this wild 🦈.. give us some Vids when this 3rd resurrected beast unleashed.
I was told to comment by some genius in your discord. I will also like the video. I am already subscribed.
Thanks!
That bow wave though!
Can't wait to play Tetris in the SYST page! ^^
wut
👍TOP👍 and Thx! 😎
Wow! Seems ED now even programmed cold launch and successive booster ignition, amazing!
Thanks for the tutorial so i got the black shark 3 upgrade and it was worth it
Thx!
Nice!
It's here🤩
Bring it on! I will gladly buy it for the 3rd time!
IT'S COMING
Thank you for the vid, very helpful and to the point. Got a question though: can the a/a switch somehow still be used as the aa-targeting-mode-switch for the vikhrs to use proximity instead of impact? A/A HO still workable with Vikhrs?
1:30 are these placements for directional passive jammer pods what I see next to the main undercarriage legs❔🤓
The KA50 is going to be a beast. Im looking forward to try it!
Already is a BEAST
😲 Bad times for Apache !
When will the Black Shark 3 be released? Can’t wait.
A very good addition. Although the standard Vikhr missile is well suited for air combat. This is probably the best ATGM in the world in terms of attacking air targets. Supersonic flight speed, elongated profile, noise immunity, the possibility of undermining to create fragments and high accuracy, all contribute to this. Therefore, I personally never needed additional weapons when meeting with an air enemy. But adding the Igla's is good anyway. It will be needed in the event that a maneuvering fighter is in the sky and the Vikhr here cannot cope with the interception. Well, it will also allow you to leave more missiles to attack ground targets. Therefore, I approve this innovation.
You use weapon release to arm the missile, but what are you using to fire it?
You press the weapon release again to fire
I think it is time for you to head back to Bergen Norway!
My main question is whether the BS3 will allow loading less than six missiles per hardpoint. It'd be easy to save ~500kg in weight while still carrying four Vikhr... which is good for range and agility. Considering this feature is on the Apache - I'll be quite disappointed if the Ka-50 doesn't get a similar treatment. Alternatively, updating the WCS for the six hardpoint wing to have the ability to load asymmetrically (i.e. rockets on hardpoint #1 and missiles on #4) would also make it possible to carry only six Vikhr... thus reducing weight (with drop-tanks possibly on #2 and #3).
How many hours you really want to fly anyways?
noice
When? That looks like fun.
I just loaded Black Shark 3, went into instant action cold start to take a look around and all of the controls are in Russian. How did you get the English labeled controls?
Thanks for the vid. By the way, it`s iglA (stress on the last syllable). Means "needle" in Russian.
I hope that you replace Wags as the DCS video tutorial announcer. Very clear, easy to understand, and thorough.
Huh? Wags' voice is way better than this guys, and Wags also gives a lot more information.
umm why do missiles need cooling?
Hey Wolfy, in case I missed it, how many pylons can you stack her with? Can we expect Kamovs running around like they're being piloted by Rick Hunter packing a 12 pack of heaters, or is it limited to just the outer most pylons?
Not 100%, but pretty sure it's just the outer-most pylon on each side for a total of 4 missiles.
Only the outer pylons. They were dedicated for Igla.
The other (inner and outer) pylons were in reality capable carry R-73 missiles, and you selected those with inner/outer selector as well. But likely when the third pylon was introduced, the support was dropped. This because launching so big rocket will cause severe risk to engine ingest it's smoke.
For same reason S-25 rockets were not allowed to be used operationally in Mi-24 because you needed at least 150 km/h forward speed to get fresh air, or you stalled likely both engines.
This is as well reason why you can't use Kh-25 missiles inner pylon as smoke cause trouble.
AFAIK same risks are with Apache.
AWESOOOOOOOME 😃.. now the fastmovers think tris to come close to our way on the deck 🚁🚀🎯.
Sounds like Spudknocker is narrating the video 😂
Does it released?
Do I see correctly that Laser Warning is removed?
should have proper maws now.
More black shark videos
this heli is best in red dragon against heli rushers
Cool tutorial!
Also, do you think that NV in Shkval in Ka-50 will be possible in the future? Sort of Ka-50N or smth?
DCS isn't fantasy.
@@UncleVoltoto Ka-50N was an actual version of Black Shark
It isn't fantasy
@@UncleVoltoto especially Ka-50-3 isn't fantasy, lol :)
@@alnexo6561 there will be no flir, developers say. Flir in Ka-50 needs reworking Shkval by implementing Samsheat system, that was heavy and unreliable
@@iyhan1987 that's a shame...
Ah the ka50, I have ptsd because of it, also when the hell is the f4 supposed to release, I want to fly my favorite aircraft without suffering
I’m considering getting this module, but I’m really bad at flying the MI-24 so then again, I may not buy this cool module. But atleast I still got the Hornet and the possibility of getting the F-15E once it comes out.
I will say, the Ka-50 is waaaayyy easier than the Mi-24 once you get the autopilot and trimming down. I thought it helped me move to the Mi-24 and Mi-8 a bit.
Ka-50 flies with an autopilot so its a lot easier to fly than other helos. You should deffinetly try the 14 day trial and if you like it there is a discount gong on atm.
kamov is easier (once u understand the AP) besides due to the counterrotating rotor u have almost no torque yawing you all the time.(don't go too fast or your rotors will kiss and you will die LOL)
get gud bruv?
In that case, ka-50 is stupidly easy to fly, the auto pilot is way better than Apache and Hind.
Now I know how to fire a missile in a helicopter I can't fly :P
Wish I had a joystick. Flying helos with keyboard is hard. For long range 7km vikhrs it's fine but for close range combat you really need a stick.
Also ka50 was my first full fidelity trial aircraft and I enjoyed all of it!
did you get a joystick for christmas bro?
@@danieldorn9989 No, I got snacks lol
Define soon…
Two Weeks™
The weird Russian writing saying готов next to the countdown means “ready” if that’s useful to you :) amazing video as always :))
Why "weird"?
@@UncleVoltoto Most people in the west interpret Cyrillic as strange. Despite how interesting it is :)
comrade Wolfpack, engage the enemies with mimsile!
Mimsile machine broke (puntured paintball gun gyro coolant Dark Souls magic tank flask 2 seconds too early sorry teehee)
Are you in a battle with spudknocker for the wordiest tutorials? Lol
Can mappings made for bs2 be imported on the bs3?
Should be a pretty simple thing to do really. Just import the BC2 profile and then fill in what is missing.
Man that new cockpit looks stellar, so does the exterior model. Can't wait for this one.
it looks the same as the black shark 2?
@@olischwarz2912 i was thinking the same interior looks the same for me
@@DOGosaurus_rex It absolutely does not lmao, have you seen the panel behind the stick in the current cockpit? You guys are blind. The exterior model has like 10x as many polys as well.
@@olischwarz2912 It absolutely does not. You guys need glasses.
@@DOGosaurus_rex IKR, that text above those switches still looks really bad, and even the HUD brightness nob is a big indicator. I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't get a reworked cockpit.
all this is nicely done and explained, but r-60 rockets are better than needles and there is no need to buy a new ka-50-3 module because I recently bought a ka-50 and it doesn't bother me to spend money twice on a module that I bought once
Is the new black shark upgrade free to the owners of the black shark 2 or do i have to pay for a upgrade?
Not free, but with discount
KA helicopter without bias be like
Why are the textures so low-res? Isn't this the new and updated Black Shark 3? What settings are you using for textures?
I can agree, I won't say they are low res but it seems they are not quite up to the latest DCS module standards.
These are definitely not max textures, the current Black Shark 2 has more high-res textures. Probably medium textures to crank up the lighting/shadow settings for the video
I mean, when I fly in missions with a lot of units or online I pull my settings back, and recording video is pretty taxing for a computer to do.
@@ImpendingJoker Well, I dont have to.
How many G's can that igla pull??
16 Gs. R-60 can 30, Mistral can do 42 Gs, the Ataka and Vikhr ATGMs can go up to 16 but usually stay lower
The rotor blade looks laggy every second
How did you got it?
I mean black shark 3
Beta tester possible
There seems to be induced a incorrect behavior.
The collective hat upwards for selecting IGLA-V missiles shouldn't select the A/A mode on weapons targeting panel. As that is totally irrelevant mode for IGLA.
Only things that Igla required is power and then clear vision to heat source. The Igla missile does not have any feedback toward launcher (= the weapon) than two cables that are connected to speaker in weapon, and it will sound the signal of sensitivity of seeker detecting heat.
There is no information where the seeker is pointing at, or anything like that, just a voltage change based audible peep. And when it is strongest and clear, it means Igla seeker has locked to strongest heat source and tracking it.
The shooter only task in that moment is to take a leading aim to direction of flight vector as much the peep stays constant and strong, and then pull trigger.
In KA-50 the IGLA-V launcher shouldn't have anything else than that electronic trigger signal sent to gun, and then wires to connect pilot helmet headphones (or to computer responsible send signals from systems to headphones).
The A/A mode shouldn't get activated when selecting IGLA missiles, as that mode should only be used with Vikhr missiles to program warhead at launch to use secondary fragmentation sleeve warhead instead the primary HEAT warhead and as well activate the proximity fuse with 7 meter radius detection capability instead just the the impact fuze in the nose.
Without A/A mode the Vikhr is launched in ATGM mode, so with impact fuze and tandem HEAT warhead only.
The A/A Head-On mode is as well only meant for Vikhr.
The proximity fuse in Vikhr is timed so that it doesn't explode as soon as it detects return, but has slight delay before it triggers detonation.
This delay is so long that target that does fly toward Vikhr at 300-600 m/s relative speed, that Vikhr at launch is programmed to donate warhead instantly it detects proximity of return in that ~7 meters radius, and so on Vikhr doesn't fly past the target and explode behind it, but will explode on the target.
The IGLA-V missile doesn't have these features, the shooter doesn't select mode in what direction target is flying.
Why it is totally useless to enable either mode at all as neither one shouldn't send anything to IGLA missiles itself.
So what should happen when pilot push station hat up to A/A station, is to only get a visual indicator in HUD where is IGLA boresight, how many missiles left and possibly timer (based to starting chemical battery in weapon to power up missile) and then only get a tone from seeker.
И накуя на вертолёт делать ещё две точки подвески,гораздо лучше было сделать модификацию вихря для поражения воздушных целей,да идальность стрельбы была бы больше в разы.
эм.... я вот лично даже теряюсь, что ответить... наверное дело в том, что вихрь - ПТУР, у него система наведения на танк рассчитана. У него система сопровождения на танк рассчитана. БЧ на танк рассчитана. А игла - она с ТГС, которая сама захватывает и работает по принципу пустил-забыл. Я бы посмотрел, как ты пролетающий мимо Су-25 будешь шквалом ловить
Yo Wolf. Thanks for the the concise tutorial . Was that the updated 3D model by any chance?
The F-15's have been the bane of my existence online in the Ka-50. It's so good to have a means to defend myself.
I don't know if you are joking? But I don't think that will be very effective...
F-15 BRM will smoke you before you are even aware it is there if they do it right.
Wait, the missile needs to be cooled fore firing? Why? And if it's not fired after 30 seconds you can't use it any more? I am really curious what kind of benefits the missile's designers gained from this arrangement to off set the massive disadvantage of this entire "need to be cooled, is useless when cooling bottle empty" design.
1980's tech... Seeker heads had to be cooled.
R60M vs Igla wich is better ?
I think Igla is better as it's newer but R-60M has its perks too. Both are lethal to jets.
Does this Ka-50 have thermal sight???
No, daytime TV only I believe. But you can get NVG's working with mods I believe.
@@jibcot8541 Damn, so it will still be nearly useless for night op... I want authenticity, not mods which are not playable on most servers. I wished we had the Ka-52...
Some have amplified light for night operations but not the one being modelled in DCS.
@@Baltic_Dude Too bad...
Sadly nothing dies from these Missiles. A huey will trash 1-2 missiles and the rest is not enough. The same thing for the Kiowa.
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There was a release of another modern naval combat game this week. (Video Suggestion)
That cockpit still looks like the BS 2. Is it just me?
L140 missng
How to make a Ka-52, without actually making Ka-52.
But do they actually fly with it in real life? Would be nice if they also made the stingers for Apache and then let people decide if they would use them or not.....
Well if the war in Ukraine has shown us anything is that they are pretty much only good at hitting the ground in flames. haha
@@ImpendingJoker Video bezvadné ale chybí mi v kokpitu navigace Garmin přilepená samolepící páskou z ruské pošty :)
@@ImpendingJoker Cope
US Apache doesn't have Stinger compatibility due to MWS taking up its space.
well this isnt wags
Nope, but I'm ready for the a2a option foreign Apache's have,
Or a Cobra with Sidewinders 😉
The Apache in DCS is based around 2008 and at that point the CMWS was installed and the wing sensors actually are permanently fixed right between where the Stinger mounts are, and to the best of my knowledge ED hasn't said anything about giving it A2A systems. RL Apaches haven't used them in very long time.
Apache's don't have Stingers or Sidewinders lmao
ehgla, not eagle --- uh
Wait there's an Igla AND an Eeeegla? Oh man I'm lost already. . . .
They are the same, just saying it different ways 😬
And to think that due to shitty security three of those sophisticated machines were blown up in Pskov by some irregulars...
Nah, those are the two-seater Ka-52s, which have a lot more capabilities. The AFRF doesn't use the Ka-50 anymore.
@@lorenleimer3930 I stand corrected. Still, that makes the situation even worse. Or better, depending on which side of NATO you're on.
The Apache is going to need the Stinger in order to compete.
Cope
is that an AI robot voice or do you actually talk like that ?
There is no way this is easier than a basic rocket. Also, you have 30 +seconds to sit around and wait for the missle to cool in real combat?
The 55 second timer is how long you have to use the missile. Once that 55 second timer is up the missile is inoperable.
It only takes 5 seconds to spin up the gyro. Once that is done you can fire the missile if you have a target lock.
It's not easier but it is more accurate. Rockets are easy to avoid.
wait bs3 is out*?
0:24
Two weeks
paying for updates....clever huh?