CHARMED | Why We Love Patty
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When the great TV mothers are talked about, Patty from Charmed rarely makes the list, and she really should.
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I can't believe Finola was only in 9 episodes, she definitely left her mark and made Patty lovable!💯💕💐
just 9???!! it feels as if she was in half episodes of the show
Feel the same. She gave such a fantastic performance of the character that she leaves a huge impression. One of the best actors the show had. Excellent casting.
Agreed!
I never knew people didn’t like Penny until this year 😭 I would always get excited to see her back in the day
Yeah I'm shocked that people hate patty
I can't make up my mind on her, but I do tend to favour her since her worst moments are meant to be things that she has to learn from and overcome
People hate her? How?
@@marocat4749 mostly because she hated men, but I loved her lol she was my favorite recurring character
I actually really like Penny but I understand why people don’t like her. She’s kinda spicy. LOL
When Patty meets Piper on her wedding day and then Prue and Phoebe, that’s what sums the essence of Charmed for me. True but bittersweet family love
Hard agreed. The way her voice breaks when she tells them about the premonition she had the day Phoebe was born really brings it home for me. The first time I watched it was before I was aware of the whole Paige situation. But now it takes on a whole other layer.
When she says, that she saw her THREE daughters standing before her as beautiful young women. God just the flood of emotions in her voice. She was more than happy at being able to attend Piper's wedding, but at the same time it must have been difficult too. I mean her youngest - her baby - is out there, unaware of her origins, unaware of having sisters, her three older girls not knowing she exists at all, when she should have been right there with them.
That’s rough for me. My mom died a year before I got married and it was so hard; we’d been best friends. My mom used to plan weddings and she always talked about doing mine. I ended up not really caring about the details, I just wanted my Mom there. When I came across that episode, I absolutely lost it. I’ve never been so jealous of a TV character before!
@@AmaraJordanMusicI’m truly sorry that you did not get to have your mom with you.
I remember genuinely liking grams, but Penny was this… effortless caring without feeling like a troupe. She wasn’t perfect, she didn’t pretend to be. Everyday was just her doing her best.
I got to know her from all my children the actress was so talented, she was only on all my children for three weeks and was already nominated for an Emmy so the actress is loved
I got to know her from all my children the actress was so talented, she was only on all my children for three weeks and was already nominated for an Emmy so the actress is loved
Penny is grams Patti is their mother
I liked penny to but she kinda felt like a misandrist at time
I always loved the way Patty goes "That's why we had... *decided* to give her up." She's at the maturity where she can accept the responsibility to give up her baby, that it was a decision that was come to as parents and not some inevitable thing that had to happen, and happened to her. It says so much with so little. Like you can imagine the half season to full season arc of Patty giving up her baby and blaming everything else for not having her baby before having to accept that it was still her decision and she can't keep acting like she had no choice.
Yes I only noticed that on a more recent rewatch after having watched that scene I don't know how many times
@@BetterWithBob Honestly I wholeheartedly believe that finola took this role and made it her own because when she was on all my children she was nominated for an Emmy only after being on the show for three weeks now that says alot
Finola Hughes just exudes positive and loving energy
In real life or as Patty?
@@BetterWithBob Both.
One of the best TV mothers indeed! And Penny too! Great casting that rounded out a beautiful and talented group of actresses on the show. 💝
And not to take away from this channel lol but Finola Hughes has a lovely chat with Holly, Brian, and Drew on their Charmed podcast, The House of Halliwell
@@raspyswirly Yes I've listened to it a few times 🙂
Honestly, They set up the whole "Paige Storyline" in a way. The Season 2 episode when they find out that Patty was having an affair with her whitelighter Sam. Even if it wasn't intentional. After Prue died, And we find out about Paige, It makes sense and doesn't feel like it came out of nowhere since we already knew about Patty's affair.
I both love and hated that part where Phoebe hugs Patty in That 70s Show and says "I'm going to miss you!" Like Grams knew she wasn't gonn make it to the next Millennium but Patty's face almost shows a sense of quick confusion and realization when Phoebe said that :(
Even though I loved seeing patty appear in the series I really wished that melinda Warren had made more appearances sucks she only was in one episode
Yeah. I actually remember her more than Patty. I remember laughing at "No, please don't tear your clothes... You buy clothes? You must be rich!"
@@nunyabiznes33 Yes, "A wise witch made this!" Referring to the zipper.
@@mrbear1302To this day, I sometimes think about that precise line when zipping or unzipping my 👗 dresses!
Firstly, as a die hard fan of Charmed in my teens years, it's fantastic to see media that analysing in depth this show. Well done, I'm marinating in all your content.
I never knew of the actress who played Patty before Charmed. That 70s Show is in my opinion, peak Charmed. It had heart without being overly sentimental, it had interesting magical undertones that helped underscore the plot. That important trope that this show was sisters who were witches vs witches who were sisters, is solidified in this episode.
Patty was the perfect, always kind mother. Grams however, though flawed in many ways, was the one responsible for turning those girls into the strong badass women they were. She could be difficult but she lost both her husband and daughter to magic, which made her both stronger and equally jaded. Their father was terrible and I feel like had the mother been around their whole lives she would have had different interactions with her children entirely so for the few moments she was with them of course all she would be is loving. Prue I feel similarly about. She had to grow up early to help raise her sisters, had to get them through the death of their Grams, have a big career, and then protect her little sisters as they were discovering their powers. Season 3 was great because she no longer had to be everything for everyone, she got to start discovering who she was as an individual in her career, the magical realm, and the real world. I wish we would have gotten another year with her.
please never stop making these charmed videos! they're amazing
Great video. I wish they did a flash back episode when she had to fight off a demon or two
Oh yes absolutely. If I ever find myself on the writing team for a reunion movie, I will be pushing to see Patty properly in action lol
Because Finola Hughes plays Anna Freakin' Devane on General Hospital and a lot of us watched the show because of her. Soap fans are very loyal.
Your Patty spotlight moved me to tears (and absolutely cracked up at the Lily comment!)
And yes, Penny is the awesomest, but Patty felt like our mothers, too.
I absolutely love finola as patty in the show she was quite a character 💙💙💙👍
she's the kindergarten teacher who smells of vanilla and caramel
Awesome video, thank you. I always look forward to your Charmed videos, and even rewatch all of them occasionally.
I'm glad they gave Patty the "cheating with her Whitelighter" storyline, in part because it helped set everything up for Paige to be added without feeling like a complete arsepull, but also establishing a key flaw to her character in a way that felt realistic and prevented her from being a little too perfect, without simply destroying her character in a way some shows might. With how tumultuous her relationship with Victor was, you can understand why she would find another magical being more appealing, due to understanding her position on magic more, interestingly reflecting Piper's issues in Season 2.
With Mothers Day coming up, it seems only fair Patricia Halliwell recieves her flowers.
She is my favourite TV mother right up there with Joyce Summers, Vivian Banks, Lorelai Gilmore and both Claire Dunphy and Gloria Pritchett Delgato
My list includes Lisa Landry and Carey Martin 😅
@@BetterWithBob Damn Carey Martin! What was I thinking forgetting her?! The stress she goes through to keep the boys in check both in and outside the hotel.
Joyce summers! 🥹🙌🏿
@Joseph Sanders and Claire huckstable not sure if I'm spelling that correctly
@Joseph Sanders and Claire huckstable not sure if I'm spelling that correctly
Best mom in tv history
for once i wish i could give a video a heart instead of a thumbs up. thank u for this
Aww thanks :)
VICTOR ISNT A DEADBEAT!!! Penny didn't like him and felt him as a mortal dad n felt he wouldn't do an adequate job protecting them. She kept lying to Victor to keep him away from his daughters. Did you even watch the show?
Yeah its pretty clear gramps pushed him away and made that. Does it rreliefe him of most, no, but he was pushed away by petty who is a force of nature. Not the best dad, but not deadbeat.
I'm sorry, but dads that aren't deadbeats do fight for their kids. Even winning in family court, more often than not. if a dad doesnt want to be there, he won't be. if he does, he will be.
He also was pushed out by the grandmother, who he would have easily won against.
As there was two different actors if felt like two different characters, the 1st one seems horrible, didn’t really care. The second caring, regretful and supportive.
I love her “How Do I Look” reference. That was an interesting show that she hosted.
"You can't come in here, barging in from the future, and tell me two of my girls are dead."
3, actually but.... THATS A STORY FOR ANOTHER TIME.
It was just one tragedy after another lol
I agree.. but since you brought up the mom you should bring up the two different dads they had and why you believed they got rid of the original dad for the last one
The actor switch from Tony Denison to James Read? I believe it was because they thought he looked too young and seemed more like a love interest than a father
I loved Tony Denison in The Closer, but hated how sleazy he came across in Charmed
@@BetterWithBob That version of their father seemed like a creep and a sleeze. You would imagine he could have been a con artist who tried to take advantage. James Read came off as a guy who got in way over his head and had a lot of trouble trying to to be their dad.
@@MegaMagicdogI liked James Read’s portrayal of Victor more.
Charmed really excelled in characterisation.
The video I didn’t know I needed
Perhaps it is I who has the premonition power ;)
...I'll show myself out
Fine... I'll rewatch charmed for the millionth time lol
Just amazing review of this character 😢😮❤❤❤❤❤
I would love it see if you started doing what If episodes of charmed and Buffy for example and the most obvious all hell breaks loose what if Prue didn’t die how would the storylines and seasons look onward what would it have effected paige
Hmm that's an interesting idea 🤔
In the comics, it's revealed that if Prue ever met Paige, not only will their powers greatly enhance, but it will ultimately kill Prue, because according to the elders or the Angel of Destiny, Melinda Warren (the first witch in their family) prophesized that 3 sisters will each inherit one of her powers, not 4. But since it's stated in the comics and not the series, it is probably not canon.
I would loved to see a charmed prequal with Patty and Grams
Have watched all episodes, I'm sorry to say watching all over again
I was a longtime fan of this show when I was commissioned to rewrite a script for a film Finola was attached to direct. I met her. She was lovely and though Charmed was off the air (it was 2011), she is timelessly beautiful. I told her I'd loved her since her General Hospital days. Also, when I moved to LA in 2000, I actually lived two blocks from their studio. I would just hope one day I''d "wander" on the lot (never happen!) and be discovered and get to write for one of my favorite shows. I am also friends with one of the guest stars too. Love this show forever.
She seems so graceful and ethereal
@@BetterWithBob perfect description as I remember
Its maybe because soap opera experience,bit thats why she nails being fun , and to be honest,it is a soap opera too. She is sassy but lovable.
And warm but her talking back to gramps really makes clear she isnt a doormat.
That was simply too beautiful to be explained!Thank you for this video ❤
But for the record Penny was fully able to reverse the spell of sibling rivalry (from Chris and Wyatt) that accidentally transformed them into children.
She chose not to because she believed that the demon version of Leo that Wyatt conjured was really Leo and Piper would not be able to handle Leo going dark again. Although him killing Gideon was to protect the kids. But Leo did "accidentally" kill Zola. So Penny was trying to protect them. And her not trusting Leo was completely fair. Patty was wise beyond her years in telling her mom that you can't always protect the girls from the world.
Do you mean Patty or Penny?
@@BetterWithBob I meant Penny, Grams. She chose not to reverse the spell. Which is why Victor called Patty to break the tie.
Thank you so much for keeping the discourse and this show alive. It's in my top three best shows ever to have existed, and I just love to see how others feel the same way enough to make this kinds of videos. THANK YOU!!!!
Can’t wait!
Damn, this video might've made me cry, but I fucking loved it. You expressed almost my exact feelings, thanks.
Aww thank you so much :)
I love these videos so much thank you for showing such appreciation for one of my favorite shows of all time.
Yessss I love this!
Awwww Patty! Thanks for posting this. She had some of the most beautiful moments in the show. ❤
Thanks for watching!
I loved whenever Finola Hughes made an appearance. I've enjoyed her since watching "General Hospital: when I was a kid. I probably got all teary-eyed every time her character came on.
Loved this! Hope you do Grams next.
Lol I was a fan from the soaps. But how did they find an actress that literally looked like she could be all of their mothers.
I happy to drop the 1000th like, thanks for your entertaining videos !
Thank YOU for watching ^_^
I like Patty. Sie and Victor were good parents,even though they hat so little time.
I' d like an episode about the Halliwell men( Victor,Watt,Chris)!
She is always just so caring and sweet!!!!! I think that's why people liked her. Plus it's cool that she's The Charmed Ones mother.
The comparison to Myrna Loy is really good, and I personally love both actresses
I'm in the process of discovering more of her stuff :)
I love your breakdowns. Can you do S1EP4 Dead Man Dating? I think it’s a really interesting episode.
I love That 70s Show episode.
I always loved Patty and Penny...despite Penny's rampant misandry, how much she loved and treasured her family was always a positive character trait.
She could be a lot of fun for sure
11:31 I never put this together before... but what if her premonition of being with her adult children made her think that would not die before that moment. She might have been more daring and rash when fighting demons, thinking she would survive. I think this fits also with the fact that she was more concerned with stopping Sam, a whitelighter who cannot die from the water demon, than focusing on the demon or admitting she needed help. She was so sure about her survival that she died, because "she knew everything would be okay." This would also explain why she ultimately agreed to give up Paige, she had seen her three adult daughters already, and Paige was not a part of that vision (as in she agreed to give up Paige because she knew she already did ala Harry saving everyone from dementors at the lake). Patty's reaction to this vision would be like Pheobe's reaction to the vision she saw of her daughter, much more impactful than the typical premonition.
Love the show and Patty
love
I did love Patty, but I liked Grams more. She was the Endora of the show, flawed, selfish, but loving and powerful.
Oh, come on, Penny is badass hehehe I love that she is spicy, and not the classic knitting grandma. I always loved Penny, she was funny. It's so weird to find out people disliked her. I kinda like Patty too, though.
I love that she’s also funny like Piper and Phoebe.
I wanna be HER when I grow up! 🥹
I love charmed so much
"men are utensils you use them wash them and throw them in the drawer until you need them again"
I mean as a gay man I gotta say I do agree with grams lmfao
As long as your drawers are roomy, go ahead
...there's no way at all that comment could be taken the wrong way, no siree
@@BetterWithBob AYO LMFAOOOOOO 💀💀💀
I liked Patty, but I think Penny was always my favourite.
Finola is still so incredibly gorgeous
And these days you can really see a resemblance between her and Rose. I saw a recent video where she looked near identical to how Rose/Paige looked in Season 8 :O
Are you gonna do a video talking about the Charmed comics?
Patty is great for sure. But penny was always my favorite guest.
Witchstock is set only 6 years before that 70s episode which makes no sense that it's grams and grams was Soo young in the episode. It should have been about Patty and it's so obvious they planned it that way and just swapped out the characters with almost no changes
It actually is just about plausible. Penny is 37 in that episode and that was close to the age of Kara Zediker
@@BetterWithBobNot possible. That 70s episode was set in 1975, the year Phoebe was born.
In Witchstock Alan, Penny's husband and Patty's dad, mentioned he dropped Patty off at the sitter's. Meaning she went from being young enough to need a babysitter to being married with 2 kids and pregnant with a third in 6 years. No way.
Finola has always had a maternal aura about her going all the way back to General Hospital and her beautiful relationship with her onscreen daughter, Kimberly McCullough. It's easy to love Finola and it's easy to understand why audiences took to her.
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Ah that's a cute video
Pls do Barry from ikwydls pls loved your Helen shivers video.
When did Phoebe and victor talk about why he left I can’t remember?? What episode was it ??
That's Season 3's We All Scream For Ice Cream. James Read's first appearance as Victor
Tbf in harry potter When Jo createt her Mum died.and it wasnt like in the books she didnt show her havibg flaws. She ignored the signes that Snape wasnt going to step away from the dark side and was as Hot headed as Harry.
She was kind and carrieng but she had to be. Jo's mum died,and why Lily was always ead even in these first 6 lonths of writing in the 1990s,
AfterJo's Mum was also dead Lily was a way fir Jo to write her mother in but not the only way.
Woukd ay this trope is well executet in harry Potter and the books did hint at her not beribg a goody 2 shoes
I love Finola Hughes. She's a godess on General Hospital.
I mean I liked Patty, but was a much bigger fan of grams... if i had to chose one to be raised by it would def be Penny.
Of course it probably didn't help any that I liked Finola as Anna Devane about a thousand times better.
I've always been impressed by Patty as she was raised by a misandrist witch (sorry, but Penny isn't a feminist) and still be able to be a decent witch. Yes you can argue that she died early so she didn't change like Penny did but I believe she would still be the same even if she lived to Grams age.
Penny learned the hard way that for her and her daughter, men were their downfall. Penny even cursing a ring as a reminder that to gain another was to lose herself. She saw Victor as wanting to strip the girls of their magic to make things easier but denying who they are destined to be. Then Sam being her next downfall with them falling in love, having an affair, and having to give up a child only for Patty to die so young. I think Penny saw romance and love as weakness because things didn’t work out for her or her daughter and she didn’t want her grand daughters to repeat their fate.
Grams is not cantankerous! She was a single mother to the Charmed ones. Had to raise them and keep them safe from demons and the world. She wrote most of the book of Shadows. She deserves grace.
Defintition "bad tempered, argumentative and uncooperative"
...that's literally her personality 😂
@BetterWithBob You don't like Prue, Paige is your favorite and you think Grams is cantankerous. I just don't know what to do with you! I still love the content though 😅
Tbh I always didn’t really care about their mom but loved the Grandma.
She was in more episodes tbf
Also when the episode when we get to meet the dad that romanced gramps.
Her names anna devane ❤
Here’s a question: how come Penny didn’t confront the water demon in the lake herself as opposed to sending her daughter after it alone who’s freezing power doesn’t work against it while she sits at home with her granddaughters?! 😡
From how Leo describes things, it sounds as though Patty was overconfident and thought she could handle it. She didn't realise the demon was immune to her freezing until it was too late
Because Finola is the best.
Lol no, Lily Potter (Evans) wasn't perfect, we have Petunia saying that as a child Lily pulled quite a few pranks on her, I believe
Fiona are you realted to Barnard hugens he plays for lost boys vampire movie his character grandpa Emerson
Patty and sam where just beautiful artists page would have been fucking perfect had they stayed together and raised her as a married couple
Can you please make a video about grams?
That's an interesting idea
WHo is patty true love?sam or Victor
Sam, because Victor moved on while he didn't
What movie is the scene at 8:55 from?
That is Pan from 2015. A truly godawful attempt at a Peter Pan prequel lol
Season 2 it came out she was having an affair with Sam it says season 2 but he says season 3
Honestly my favourite Patty moment is actually her talking about giving up Paige, where she stops herself.
“That’s why we had to- why we chose to give her up.”
It’s a great way to touch on a small flaw of her character. She chose their power over a daughter she still wanted. Despite having likely told herself for all that time that it was necessary, she accepts in that moment that there was a selfishness to that choice and that it WAS a choice. It wasn’t a necessity, it was a choice. And there’s a beauty of regret to it, where she feels the emotional weight of that choice. It’s really humanising and gives amazing nuance to her as a character.
Yes! I only caught that on the most recent rewatch myself
UM no . The woman ad three kids with aman who never commited to her. She was constantly leaving them wit her mom to go off and be wit him. And she out her life at risk to save some stupid camp. She was extremly selfish and oly cared about herslef . And then to top it all off she ends up having another baby with a whitelighter
She wasn't as gentle as mom
I feel like the new charmed should of been about Patty and her mother
Not new girls 😞😞😞
It was planned to be set in the 70s to tie in with Second Wave Feminism but they decided the present day would be more timely
A hagiography I can't agree with. Sorry.
There is zero justification for giving up a child just because you want your other children to have magical powers that endanger them every week anyway.
If that had happened to Penny, she would have dared the Elders to punish her and then gone on an epic rampage if they tried any nonsense. That's why she's the superior matriarch.
PS Penny is also not all innocent in the whole Paige situation but I think I got some closure after Paige set her straight in the fairytale episode of S5. We unfortunately never get to see Patty in a similar dynamic. She was always treated with kid gloves for her bad, bad, very bad decisions as a mother and as a wife.
Well obviously the out of universe reason that Paige had to be given up was to explain why she had never been seen or mentioned before 😅
But Patty was thinking of the greater good and how her daughters were destined to save innocents and what could result if they were denied that. She and Sam also made sure that Paige was given a good home so it's not as though she just tossed her on a doorstep. But I know I have some unpopular opinions in how I don't see blood relation as automatically better
@@BetterWithBob Family don't end with blood, and it don't start there either, as another similar show said.
I have to disagree with the disagreement. Seems to me Penny is very much the driving force behind giving Paige up for adoption. Patty's line in 4x1 is 'We wanted to keep the baby, of course, but Mother...' I know who I blame more for that decision to bow before the Elders at Paige's expense, and it's Penny. The argument that Penny would have resisted more doesn't fly for me when she canonically spearheaded the plan to not resist them.
Penny's response is very telling for me: 'I knew it would be disastrous.' Hyperbolic and the same kind of irrational certainty that drove Prue to her fatal recklessness (not to mention illegally electrifying her attic against any comers). In the same rant she also describes her daughter's then-ongoing relationship as 'unthinkable', which is not only false in the literal sense but also demonstrates a remarkable lack of empathy, even for her own kid.
If there was any chance of the Charmed line flourishing outside of the Elders' domineering control, it was Patty breaking away from her mother and making her own choices. Sure she can be called out for not having done that anyway, but succumbing to pressure is a lesser sin than pressuring, in my book.
@@rtozier2011 I think those are powerful pushbacks but criticism of Penny over giving Paige up is not a hill I'm gonna die on.
All I will say is the actual greater sin always remains with Patty because Penny would not, in the first place, have put her marriage in jeopardy and risk the destiny of her child/grandchildren by having an affair with someone like Sam.
Therefore "succumbing to pressure" to a stage where you bring another life into the world, with a total deadbeat like Sam and you conveniently drop the baby with a random nun and abscond? That will always be the greater sin, in my view.
A child having a guarantee of love and care in infancy through to adolescence is absolutely more important than "Charmed destiny". It was pure luck that Paige ended up with good parents rather than being tossed around in the system like most foster kids are.
Now, THAT was the true "fatal recklessness."
*Side but related note:* I reject the comparison of Prue to Penny.
Penny was always careful with magic and that's why she was able to protect the girls for decades all by herself and died of natural causes rather than magic like Patty or even Prue, who always had to play super witch and put everyone's lives in danger.
I loved penny !!! Her hate for men is pretty understandable not right but understandable and thats why i liked everyone has their flaws and stuff to work on and they definitely did