Charmed | Why Fans Hated Billie (But I Didn't)
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MILD CW: discussions of trauma, and abusive relationships. The section is timestamped below.
One needlessly passionate defence of Kaley Cuoco's Billie Jenkins from the divisive eighth season of Charmed.
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0:00 Introduction
1:03 Genesis of Billie
2:20 Cousin Billie
5:05 Immature Billie
7:59 Billie Sue!?
9:58 Selfish Billie
11:24 Evil Billie
13:49 Traumatised Billie
19:17 Conclusion - Zábava
Something I only copped to re: summarising the elements Billie and Christy combine of past villains:
They're also a villainous duo serving a more powerful being, like Rex and Hannah, and the sisters need to absorb a lot more power to fight them, like the Titans
Watching these clips, I realize something that escaped my notice at the time: all the people of color on this show were playing villains. Not all demons were non-white, but almost all non-white people were demons.
That's fucked up.
Billie was to trying talk Chrissy out of being a Demonic Killer...
Chrissy was raised by Demons
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Billie isn’t the worst character on the show. Christy takes that slot hands down.
Exactly. I never hated Billy, I hated her sister
I actually felt bad for Christy. She was brainwashed from being kidnapped and tortured from the time she was a little girl.
I get she brought Billie down but Billie should not have fallen for it and should have resisted much more and tried to mediate like Phoebe did.
Together they were toxic and I called them Bitchty.
I get it that she didn't want to press her sister too much but sometimes you just can't follow someone you love down a dark path no matter how much u love them.
@@williethomas5116 yeah I have sympathy for Christy too but I just didn't like the character
I concur
I remember liking Christy because she felt new and different. She was a victim the Charmed ones couldn't save, didn't even have a chance to save, who instead of dying became a monster herself. Over the seasons there have been several "overpowered, magical child" type characters who were targeted by a demon to be used and molded into a force for evil, Wyatt being the most obvious example. Christy is the rare exception where evil succeeded. She didn't fit neatly into the good/evil or victim/perpetrator binary. And it was refreshing that the person trying to tear the group apart from the inside WASN'T a love interest.
I'm a part of the 10% because my problem was never Billie - it was Christie😤
I feel they could've written her as a better villain, but they were honing in on that sister thing that the Charmed ones had instead, which didn't do the threat of her & Billie any justice. I could never take them as a threat against the Charmed ones seriously.
She probably could have used more episodes to properly flesh it out
@@BetterWithBob Agreed
I felt like they could least turn Christie into an antihero
Especially when you read the comic continuation of Charmed, where Prue says that Billie and Christy never should have come close to the Charmed ones in power, and the only reason they did was because she (Prue) was holding them back by not letting go of her role as a Charmed one after she died. Which is also probably why Paige didn't ever get her full power of telekinesis, and was stuck with telekinetic orbing.
i like the way the writers used the same sisterly bond that was a strenght on the charmed ones and weponize it for Billie and Christy, the charmed ones feed on their bond and used it to grow stronger and wiser while Christy used the bond as a way to manipulate Billie and somehow break her
That's what I always loved about the arc
To add to the points made in the video, I think a big reason why fans didn't like Billie was b/c of the way the Halliwell sisters treated her. The sisters were overly annoyed with her like 90% of the time, like "ugh Billie's at it again, being immature and getting into trouble". And since Charmed viewers clearly empathize with the Charmed Ones the most (why else would they be loyal viewers) this treatment rubbed off on how liked Billie was.
Oh that's an interesting perspective
Yeah I could see this. Also.. For me.. at the time season 8 aired I was a few years younger than Billie was on the show. And me as a fan of the halliwells could not conceive how she could turn against them. Where as looking back on it now, what Billie does fits for her age, for her situation.
I think this actually was, for me, the reason I hated Billie.
I hated Billy because she was the second time they made a witch stronger than the charmed ones when the whole point of the show was a prophecy about these three witches being the most powerful witches ever. They literally had their cake and ate it too twice. That's why I hated her. She was yet another witch more powerful than the most powerful witches ever.
Exactly. It was even more annoying since she was an "amateur" when they met her, and all of a sudden she is super powerful and knows better than they ever did.
Who was the first? 🤔
@@danielvaleradp maybe she means whyatt or paige 🤷🏻♀️
The main issue is that Kaley Cuoco and Marnette Patterson weren’t really able to portray either of their characters as sympathetic, more like nuisances. That’s why it all makes sense on paper and in theory but in execution it’s so poor. Paige and Billie had similar storylines but Rose McGowan did it so perfectly that you felt for her and wanted her to succeed.
You have a point there, as I'm still not sure if we were ever supposed to sympathise with Christy. She gets the occasional humanizing moment but I see her more as an irredeemable villain
@@BetterWithBob They definitely didn’t give Christy many opportunities to be sympathetic in the writing, other than maybe like the first episode. But she would’ve been a much more interesting character if she were sympathetic. If we understood why she was the way she was and we saw her more as like a lost soul, I think the finale would’ve been a lot more compelling and it would’ve been a lot more sad when she died.
I think Rose also got better writing. They KNEW we had to like Paige or they were done for.
Aside her magically go along with tje later convincing. Billy worked earlier pretty well. Also she did turn against her sisder and out of the uncharacteristic thrall
Plus piper was really way too fast in being judgemental. And the later. ...
Why was cristie needed as villain?
I gotta disagree on principle. Cuoco has proved that when the material is there she delivers in spades, so it was on the writing.
I'm with you on this one. I feel the whole story of season 8 and Billie's presence was very interesting, especially for the final season of the show. I also like that it was all about the connection of sisters, the Charmed Ones being older and the complex dilemma of "how do we vanquish someone that we personally know, have helped and who's a human on top of that?". I do miss Daryl this season though.
It would have been nice to see him dealing with the fallout of Sheridan's death but I suppose his character at least got a satisfying ending as is.
@@BetterWithBob Yes, they didn't kill him off at least.
For me, I find it really hard to say Billie isn't a mary sue when one of her powers is literally rewriting reality on a whim, her projection powers aren't limited, it's god tier power. She could have saved Christie by projecting Christie to not be evil instead of a contrived 'self defense' murder. You can't really write a character to have reality changing powers and then have them not use them to change the outcome of an unfavorable scenario that's so deeply a seat of Billie's trauma.
I'd say there's personal gain to think of if Billie tried rewriting reality to suit her own agenda since intent seems to matter a lot when it comes to the magic. And Christy is a telepath too, so if Billie tried a big reality wiping spell like that, she might be able to resist and then return the favour considerably
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I think that Billie would've been such an amazing character if she had more time to develop. Same goes for the Billie and Christy storyline in general, which was my biggest problem with season 8. I feel like the fact that the big evil is defeated by having a woman kill her own sister just goes against the thesis of the show. Like this being the conclusion to a show about family and sisters coming together just never felt right to me. The argument of "Christy is just too far gone" being the justification for this also doesn't sit right with me. What about Prue's ex from Wrestling with Demons and Cole? These grown men making full informed decisions are not "too far gone" and worth trying to save but Christy who was kidnapped as a child, isolated from her family and brainwashed by demons isn't? And she's not even half demon, she's a human being. I know Christy was horrible throughout the season but given the circumstances that made her this way I think they should have at least tried to save her. Not to mention that what happened to her is literally what almost happened to Wyatt and the entirety of season 6 was focused on saving him. I don't think Christy should've been killed the way she was, I think she should have been saved and redeemed. The problem is more than one season would've been needed to introduce and execute a storyline like that to do it justice. The way it actually went down is basically if Chris killed Wyatt instead of going back in time to save him. It's just an incredibly tragic ending for both sisters. Billie lost both her parents and the sister she just got back in such a short amount of time and I'm supposed to celebrate? I feel like this ending kind of goes against what the show is all about.
Well the big difference between Cole and Christy is that Cole was actively trying to be good and become a better person. He had already been swayed to the side of good before the sisters even found out his real identity, and he had to do a lot of proving himself before they would accept him. When Phoebe thought he killed Janna, she rejected him completely, but changed her mind when she discovered he was possessed/manipulated. Arguably they went TOO hard on him for what he did under the Source's possession. He didn't get off easy.
I always was bugged with Prue's attitude towards Tom, and it's a huge strike against her in my book, but I can interpret that as her trying to stop the demons from getting a potentially powerful new ally. He had the chance to be saved and rehabilitated, and he was given that chance, and ultimately chose Good because he couldn't hurt his mother.
Christy was given the choice as well. She got multiple chances. When the Triad were killed, she had no masters to serve but kept on going with her plan. Even when Billie was first swayed to their side, she wanted to deal with the sisters non-lethally, but Christy kept pushing for them to be killed. She did far more than Tom, and was willing to do more; using a child in a dangerous spell, allowing hundreds of members of the magical community to be killed for her Billie gaslighting plot, and it's all but said that Leo had to be taken away because Christy would have killed him if she had the chance. Billie gave her multiple chances to abandon their mission, but Christy made it clear she was still going to kill with or without her.
And Christy was on a whole different power level to the others. Tom could throw fireballs, and Cole could throw energy balls, shimmer and withstand a lot of damage. Christy could create firestorms that incinerated multiple people at once and use telepathy to contact people from far away. So she was a walking apocalypse who, after being given multiple chance to turn her back on evil and start again, still tried to kill everyone in her path. While I agree that the whole thing unfolded fast, I felt as though Christy simply never wanted to be Good and she was given as many chances as she deserved. They didn't vanquish her outright, but she was killed in self defence by her sister who knew her telepathically by this point and could probably sense that she wouldn't change. With a person like that, there's only so much you can do before you say enough is enough. Christy had zero accountability.
@@BetterWithBob Okay I agree that Christy's situation is different to Cole and Tom's but I would argue that Wyatt had no intention of being good when Chris went back to save him and his situation is almost identical to Christy's in that reality as he could also be classified as a "walking apocalypse." I feel like it's a bit of a reach to say that Billie can tell that Christy is irredeemable through telepathy because that power only allows her to know what she's thinking in the moment, not what her mindset will be in the future. I mean the triad had Billie and Christy's parents killed because they knew the more time Christy spent with them the more she'll be swayed to good, meaning there is a chance for her to be good. If Chris didn't give up on his brother when he made the world a living hell and Paige didn't give up on her sister when Phoebe became queen of the underworld, why should Billie give up on hers? The thing about Christy is that she was literally raised by demons. She has a skewed sense of morality due to being brainwashed as a child, like she spent more time with demons than she did with humans which would make it very difficult for her to empathize with people. For this reason I feel like the chances she was given throughout the season just weren't enough because changing one's entire mindset and sense of right and wrong is extremely difficult. She would need help and a lot of time to undo all that she learned during her upbringing but the narrative just wasn't interested in taking that route. I think Christy would've been a far more interesting character if she was allowed to be more 3 dimensional. The thing is I wouldn’t mind if they ultimately decided that she's irredeemable and deserves to die but the way it was executed in the show made it so they didn't exhaust all options before deciding that there's no saving her. I think that's the biggest issue, there just wasn't enough time to pull off a storyline like this and have it be believable and satisfying, at least for me. Especially as a conclusion to the show. The first episode shows three sisters coming together and the final episode shows a pair of sisters falling apart. It just doesn't feel right, like having a storyline like this is fine but I just don't agree with it being a fitting conclusion to charmed.
@Ohood I just want to say while agree.more time was needed. Ultimately her death was unintended. Billie asked her to stop Christy threw a fire ball and Billie reacted. Killing her sister (in self defense) before realizing what had happened. It the ultimate tragedy.
I actually believe that Christy was evil even as a child and that's why she was taken in that he first place. She may have been human but that doesn't mean she wasn't born evil.
Nothing to do with men or women at all; you're making it seem that way
I feel like Billie and Chris both suffered from week to week viewing and have been more kindly reevaluated once people could see the entire story altogether. I watched season 8 as it was releasing and the entire season felt like a "we don't know what we're doing" until it hit the last couple of episodes and that's a lot of weeks to go by before it felt like anything made any sense. But especially watching these seasons when older and with the context of behind the scene issues, I am much more forgiving of the weird plot moments for Chris and Billie. To be fair, I think Prue lends herself to the opposite problem: watched on a week by week basis, she probably seemed fine and complex and not OP and the most important sister. But watching all of her episodes back to back to back you start to pick out these patterns that just grate
That's a good point. I was watching knowing that they'd turn out to be the villains and since I watched two episodes a day it was probably easier to take than week to week
Billie was a Breath of Fresh Air during Season 8 and it was only later I found out that she had a lot of Haters in the Charmed Fandom. I liked her Character because she was like Season 1 Phoebe eager to use her powers to save innocents and add Prue powers and we have a winner...well for me anyways. After rewatching Season 8 again I noticed that the Charmed ones really did noticed that they weren't actively saving innocents and I think they were annoyed with Billie because she was what they were starting out but I do understand the burnout they felt (losing a sister, lover and a bunch of innocents). And I don't know if the writers did this on purpose but I feel like Phoebe became a lot closer to Billie because she reminded her of her earlier days (also let's not forget her Blonde Phase which some people like and others don't but we all can agree about those mid Season 4 bangs) and why she appeared in Phoebe's future ending (because she turned evil a bunch of times)
Yeah even though Billie was Paige's charge, I'm not surprised she ended up bonding more with Phoebe. They were very similar
I always loved Billy honestly. She reminded me a lot about how the charmed ones where at the beginning. I also loved Christy, honestly, and loved how they kept her a villain instead of reverting her to a good girl because it was more realistic for her to stay evil and be just evil when she was brainwashed since a young age into being evil
Yeah that felt like a natural end to her arc. It would have felt overly idealistic for her to be redeemed
Before the video is up I would like to share my view on Billie.
I get why she is hated, she wasn‘t given any time to develop and just went along with evil Christy (their first interactions after the kidnapping happen off screen)
She wanted to be taught the craft and they did teach her, but they never let her apply it because they were so scared she was gonna expose them/draw attention to them.
Billie created a huge problem for the sisters because she was like the Season 1-4 Charmed Ones while the Charmed Ones neglected their whole destiny.
She liked her first scratch from a demon (like Paige did) which made Phoebe and Piper just stare confused at each other.
Obviously she was new to the craft so we don‘t know how her take on all of this would be 8 years after fighting demons but my point is that she actually fought.
She was always shunned for the amazing work she did/was trying to do so it was only a matter of time for her to snap at them at least once.
She is anything but a two dimensional character so I‘m so happy to hear your take on her! Ugh can‘t wait!!
Great points :) You'll find we share many an opinion :)
Agreed!
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Your summary of her ending with no blood or found family and unclear if anyone beyond Phoebe forgavevher actually made me feel bad for her 😢
My work is done lol
She brought the humor back, for me, I think. The kind of humor that the first season had, I feel.
Ooh that's an interesting POV.
I don't think I disliked Billie as a character As much as I felt that her and her sister were far too powerful. She basically had Prue level telekinesis plus the power of projection with no limitations. The last person we saw it with projection had to actually draw the image which kinda keeps it in check. I didnt like the idea of the "Ultimate Power" when the Charmed Ones already exist. Do Melinda Warren's last words mean nothing? So Billie is an OK character. I just didn't like how they handled the power dynamics. Also it's great to see your channel grow mate! Charmed was my fav show growing up and Im ecstatic that its having a resurgence!
Thank you for your comment and the kind words 🙂
I always considered the “ultimate power” to be the back up plan to the charmed ones. Like it was only natural for the greater good to have a back up plan, especially after they almost lost the greatest power of good when Prue died
Well if Billie had her powers her whole life it's not really surprising she'd be powerful. Remember That 70s Episode, how young Prue and Piper were so much more powerful than adult Prue and Piper? Little Prue looked around 7 or 8 and little Piper was probably 5 or 6. (The ages don't mesh with what the family tree says, but oh well.) So adult Prue would have been able to be that powerful in season 8/or 9 (if there had been a season 9 and she hadn't died) when she would have had her powers for 7/8 years and adult Piper should have reached that level around season 7 or 8. Unless the fact that the powers were bound for so long had a negative affect on their growth? IDK.
0:18 Oh, Paige can and does draw polarizing reaction from the fans, unfortunately. I remember how much hate she was getting for 'killing" (replacing) Prue, and that Cole situation later made it even worse. And that always annoyed me, because Paige is my favourite
Oh really? I just always noticed the detractors for Piper and Phoebe being especially vocal and I always assumed Paige drew the least amount of negative criticism mainly because she was rarely the driving focus of a whole season like the other three were
@@BetterWithBob I've never heard from any Piper detractors tbqh but I can imagine with how tired she was coming off in the later seasons
Phoebe, well, yeah...
@@BetterWithBob Paige was always the least favorite sister in all the Charmed forums I used to post in back in the day
@@raspyswirly the TV Tropes page definitely doesn't favour her. In the last couple of years it's seen a few additions by someone who very obviously doesn't like her lol. I remember Phoebe and Prue always being split down the middle in terms of fans and detractors (I'm actually seeing more Phoebe fans than ever these days). Paige just seems to rarely get people calling for how awful she is
I didn’t like a lot of this season, but often found Kaley Cuoco’s debut season performance often rivaled Rose McGowan’s, in my opinion. I love Rose but it was clear, to me, that she had trouble finding herself in her character at first. Kaley on the other hand knew what she was doing, but suffered from lazy script writing.
Hmm that's an interesting point. Paige from Season 5 onward does feel very different, and I always chalk that up to Rose feeling pressured to make the character work and the writers and showrunners not knowing her at first, whereas by Season 5 they'd know her much better and write specifically with her in mind.
I didn’t even know people hated Billie?? I always really liked her and I enjoyed the new dynamic between the main cast with her addition
I also felt that the ultimate power (even WITH demonic involvement) was out of alignment (even though the charmed ones won out) with the legacy of the Charmed ones. It took centuries for the charmed ones to be actualized/culminated with dna preparation (seen in the episode with dr Curtis and the monkeys) and knowledge that is collected over time in the book of shadows, karma, etc. it just doesn’t seem likely that two people, even if they ARE sisters would be able to hold their own that way against the charmed ones and be seemingly more of a threat than the the source was and earned in 2 decades…
And on that note, why didn’t the neighbors that got phoebe and pipers powers for the afternoon when phoebe was trying to show piper her vision of life with the avatars go crazy like dr. Curtis? A blood thing? 🤷♀️
I love charmed though and I LOVED the finale that all of this created.
I agree, the Ultimate Power angle wouldn't have bothered me if it was the Triad who held that title. They are more powerful than the Source, in that they reform after being vanquished. They could easily have made them an Ultimate evil power. It bothered me that it was a couple of teenage witches. We'd been told for 7 seasons how important the Charmed Ones were, about their legacy. Trips to the past in episodes like 'That 70's Episode', we saw Grams and Patty's reaction to realising Patty's girls were the prophesied Charmed Ones. Shoehorning Billie (and Christy) in as super powerful rival witches, demeaned the 7 years of struggle, the legacy. Billie didn't earn it. Not to mention that it also craps on the build up in season 5 surrounding how powerful Wyatt is too/will grow up to be.
Well technically Billie is 18 at the youngest (not old enough to drink but out of high school) and Christy is older than her. I think Christy is the same age Phoebe was in Season 1
Especially since their parents didn’t know anything about magic
Billie was certainly not a favorite character of mine in the slightest. But the analysis was thought provoking. Thank you.
Thanks for watching 🙂
I personally actually liked Billie she wasn’t to bad of a character the only thing I didn’t like is she immediately flipped on the charmed ones when her sister came into the picture not knowing who her sister actually was. I also understand the charmed ones as well in this season because Billie and Christy kept calling them selfish and all that yet they were so burned out by then and tired for once in their lives they wanted to be selfish which is totally understandable in their case they fought so much they deserved it. They lost Daryl the only human and normal connection in their life because of what they do. They lost innocents, lovers and so much more. I mean I’m really glad Billie came to see reason and helped phoebe by being a nanny of sorts to her children.
I've unfortunately seen that kind of switch flipping happen in real life more than once. Abusive family members, friends or lovers can often make their victims turn on their friends very fast, and the victims will take the abuser's side to avoid the potential retaliation
I think fans were still grieving for the unexpected and tragic death of John Ritter, and, in a strange way, they blamed Kayley for it. I think she was really happy on '10 Simple Rules' and had no dreams of ever being on 'Charmed'. However, life imitated art and fans were dealt a HUGE blow when Death took our beloved comic actor. Kayley was probably still reeling from grief, and combine it with a show that was reeling from incompetent writing for almost two seasons, it was a recipe the fans were not ready to consume. Sadly, whoever they had chosen for Billie would have received the same backlash, but Kayley jumped into a role that was hyper-developed on the spot and poorly written. If any blame for the way Billie was executed goes to Kayley, a majority of it needs to be directed at the directors--who are 50% responsible for getting the best out of an actor. I may be on the fence about Billie, but I'll take her and Christy over mermaids, fairies, and nymphs any day of the week.
Wow that's not something I would have thought of
I actually liked Billie but when it came to throwing Christy in the fold I didn't like how she just switched on the sisters when they did so much for her and saved her life a dozen times cuz for one thing she didn't know Christy or who she was or who she became like she never really asked Christy questions like how she knows where to go when. She left going somewhere but I liked Billie from the beginning i just don't like her turning on Piper and her sisters when she don't even know her sister
Christy's attitude to Piper is actually depressingly realistic if we take into account her background. We don't know the specifics but she was raised among demons and other evil beings, so that's what she'd be used to. She'd have no idea how to cope with being smothered with unconditional love and affection, and possibly subconsciously hates the idea that Piper is so nice to her when her mission is to kill her.
It's what they do. How many times did Cole save them? They threw him under the bus once he ceased to be useful to them.
I liked Billy to be honest. When I saw the actress on TBBT after that, the assosiation to Billy was my reason to give the Series a chance :D
"This is real. Deadly real."
"You can't use an adverb with a noun."
There wasn't a single noun in either one of those sentences.
That's the real reason Paige orbed the chair. She'll tolerate reckless demon hunting but not butchery of the English language
I hadvalways found Billie's character kind of annoying but never hated her. (Christie on the other hand... lol) And after watching this, I was reminded of who Billie was & how she really brought hope back into the Charmed One's lives. Billie really did fit like that missing puzzle piece that reminded me of why I liked the show to begin with. Thank you for this. 💜
I personally feel like Billie is a character who needed at least 2 seasons minimum to be fleshed out with her story arc.
Billie had to do what was right over what was easy. She had to see through manipulation by her one family member to side with what were essentially a family of strangers. Almost nobody has the character or strength to do that, and the only bad things Billie has ever done was through manipulation and even then she wasn’t on board. People need to stop victim blaming and hating her for what Christie led her to do.
Well said 👏👏👏
I think my biggest problem with Billie is moreso the amount of screen time she got. I watched this season around 2014 and watched it all at once. Because it felt like the characters I cared about were getting less screen time in the very last season of 8. But that isn't really the character's fault as much as it's everything going on. Anyway, thank you for the bingeable Charmed content. I eagerly await more 😊
My apologies, I only saw your comment now. I imagine that's a side effect of her function being to give the three leads less screen time, especially once Holly got pregnant in the middle of the season, Rose was suddenly committed to two movies at once and Alyssa needed time with her family.
Your Charmed videos are so amazing! They make me consider things I had never considered about Charmed in the past. I wish you could make an anatomy of an episode video for every episode lol. Great work!
Aww thank you so much :) Hopefully we'll get there one day lol
Unpopular opinion: I Really Enjoyed season 8! And I liked Billie a lot.
Her turning on the Charmed Ones did hurt my heart a bit but she longed for family. I can understand that.
And I love the fact that the students became the teachers and guided and taught her after being exhausted from the Great Fight after 8 years.
And considering the budget, the producers and writers did a great job working with what they had.
I'm so thankful we got a final season and real closure.
I'm becoming more appreciative of what they were able to do with how their hands were tied by the network over the years. Especially the more I learn about the industry
@@BetterWithBob Yes! And not to mention Holly Alyssa and Rose all agreed to take a pay cut in order for fans to get a season 8.
Hearing the part where we aren’t sure if Piper and Paige forgive Billie - from being with Phoebe in the epilogue- does Piper not realise that if Billie didn’t do what she did ie stop Christie that they wouldn’t have got Leo back- after all it was Christie they had to stop not Billie so Billie deserves gratitude from the sisters in my opinion
Billie was great it was Chrissie who mipulated her to believe the charmed ones were evil & at least at the end she came through and saved the world woth the charmed ones and saw her sister for who she was. She needs to be praised not hatted, it was hard for her to chose between family and friends
Ι despised her then because she took attention away from the leads but now as an adult watching several takes on Billie's character she was indeed trying to help innocents and in return she really was used by the people who didn't really care to teach her anything other than shoving all their responsibilities on a college student who was barely not a teenager anymore. Christie's "manipulation" talk was not that wrong; the Charmed Ones prioritized themselves more than anything and they kept telling her off whenever she wanted to look for her sister. In the end the whole magical community turned against them for their shenanigans and Billie deserved a better ending other than serving as nanny to Phoebe, that was a disservice to her character.
As far as I remember (from the comics), Billie isn't Phoebe's nanny. She is still in college and decided to help to check on the kids while Phoebe goes to the hospital in labor.
It doesn't seem like she was a nanny. I assumed she was just babysitting for the night.
I'd disagree that the sisters used Billie. They always looked out for her and tried to keep her out of trouble, like in ReWitched when they insisted she just ID the demon instead of going after him, and she often kept things from them because she knew they wouldn't let her risk her life. They told her off when her behaviour was dangerous - she was rampaging through the underworld, killing demons and drawing attention to herself - and it was having negative effects in their lives too. Like Henry's friend who got possessed just because the demons wanted to get back at Billie. And as for prioritising themselves - any time they have a selfish moment, they always realise and admit they were wrong. Like Phoebe when she was worrying about Leo, but then chose to help Billie look for her sister.
This whole Billie and Christy storyline gave me a headache as a teen… and it still does now 😮💨 Even with the beautiful piano music in the background. Great channel 💯
A great video as always, but I still don't like the Billie character XD I don't think it's the storyline or even the character itself, it's just that Kaley Cuoco did not fit the Charmed cast. She is a great actress, don't get me wrong - but not all actors fit well with certain shows or an already established cast. In the past, this was something Charmed always excelled at - not only the original casting of the three Halliwell sisters, but also casting well again with the introduction of Paige. The guest stars always seemed to really fit the show - and Kayley just feels like she sticks out like a sore thumb in this cast.... Not her fault, but I remember being really excited for her character after the show had such a great late-teens/early 20s character come on previously (Chris), but felt it just didn't work.
I loved Billie I thought she was a breath of fresh air to the sisters 💙
Me too!
Another great video! I didn't really think much about Billie back then but knew of Kaley from 8 Simple Rules as well. I agree with the complexity you described Billie having and viewing the higher ups as to blame. As I watched the show in real time I appreciated the "new to witchcraft" storyline and the twist was entertaining.
Overall, it is not my favorite season but I don't have any negative feelings towards it or her.
Thank you for watching 🙂
I'M THE BIGGEST CHARMED FAN AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVED MISS. BILLIE !
Watching your analysis on the (and all of the other videos you made for the girls, BTW please never stop) topic of Billie, I couldn't agree more on all the positives that you presented us with. I am so glad I did not have any exposure to what other people were thinking about the show and specifically Billie. I think it was a great pick for the end of the series to bring her in and it felt good watching every second of it. I especially agree passionately on your input on the trauma aspects of her character because this is really really real stuff only people who delved into learning about it or got through something like that can understand that her actions are completely plausible and valid and realistic response to her childhood trauma especially trauma that intense. I don't think that even the sisters can really understand it but non the less I know that all would forgive her even if it is not shown in the end of the series. I don't care what the writers decided to do. Billie is an awesome character and you did a splendid job of showing everyone why. Maybe some can see me as a so called "stan" fan for Charmed but I really see the show with the eyes of the little kid who grew up absorbing every second of the show to the point of memorising scripts of some episodes by heart, and making my own Book of Shadows. But I digress. I just wanted to pop up and say - you did super awesome job yet again with your Charmed videos and I am wishing to see more as you make them with a lot of care. Have a nice one everyone ❤️
Thank you for your comment, and thank you for watching and supporting :)
I always really liked Billie, I felt she was great for the story as it brought the sisters full circle, they started as new witches, alone and struggling to learn their powers, and it ended with them now being experienced knowledgeable witches passing on what they knew. It really cemented the idea that the sisters and now masters of their craft.
So regardless of Billie herself I felt she was great for what she did plot wise for the sisters.
I liked the broad strokes of the plot with Billie and Christy being the villains.. I just couldn't stand Christy, she is so bad.. for me it was a combination of her lines and the delivery. Felt the actress didn't get given much to work with.. and failed to make that small amount work.
Whenever I watch the season I dread when she comes back on screen.
Billy was disliked because she replaced Leo. Bring new eye candy to attack more male viewers was offensive to the female fans. Also after many years of the Charmed Ones and Wyatt being so powerful, these sisters are suppose to be more powerful- that made no sense.
It wasn't Billie, it's just the story after she got her sister back
It didn't make sense. She knew what the sisters were about and trying to do and she believed Christy(who's been brain washed for years) and a stranger over Piper, Phoebe and Paige 🤨
Amazing analysis 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you!
I like your analysis. I especially agree with the arc about the evil sister. I do agree with a few other commenters that the downfall for me was when magic school was introduced. It also felt that the billy-turning-evil was a bit quick, but I’m curious to rewatch it. I don’t doubt your right about the budget considerations.
And magic school was budget reasons too from what I've read. They built a set they could continually shoot on to save money
Even though I love kaley cuoco I didn't enjoy her in charmed to me its really easy why the studio hired her for at this point Alyssa rose and holly had made it clear they were done wearing the skimpy outfits so kaley at times was the one in the racy outfits
Hmm on a Reddit AMA recently Holly was asked if that was the reason and she said:
"No, not at all. But I do believe the network wanted some new blood."
Having more properly rewatched the later seasons, there are plenty of sexy outfits in the last one and plenty of modest ones in the likes of 5 and 6, so there was always a mixture. I know the showrunners were annoyed at the network constantly hyping that stuff up so it seemed to be more of a case of they themselves getting tired of doing it rather than the actresses refusing.
@@BetterWithBob oh I didn't know that for years I heard a different version
This was such a great video. I'm in the minority in i always liked Billie and Christy. I know i already said it back when you first made the poll about Billie but i think they needed a 9th Season to really flesh them out...and of course they needed a budget that wasn't hacked in half. Like imagine if we'd had two seasons to see Billie's arc fleshed out and more of Christy, because they really did have allot to do in only 22 episodes.
Like i get if people just dislike the character thats fine, but to pretend she ruined the show is ridiculous, the people who slashed the budget are the ones who ruined the show. But i think all things considered with so much working against them they made a brilliant final season and honestly Season 8 is my favourite one.
Edit: oh oh, would you ever consider doing a video on Christy, i know we don't see allot of her in the show but i think there's enough there to warrant a short character analysis.
Also, Billie appears briefly during the Season 9 Comics to help with a spell and i think its Paige that asks her to. And Billie also appears in the Charmed Trickery Treat Novel that actually takes place after the finale, so i think they did forgive her. I know the tie-in novels aren't usually classed as canon however the shows continuity is so wishy washy that i can accept a few of them as canon.
I would be very interested in doing a video on Christy for sure. I think there would be a lot to unpack there
I named my three year old after her - when people say Like Billie Holiday? I say yes because I don’t want to go in to that rewatched Charmed right before I got pregnant and took it from there 🙂 My Billie is much less polarizing
I've named many characters after her too lol
I started rewatching season 8 because of this video and the foreshadowing for Billie being a threat is *so* well done.
I never thought about it this way and it makes 💯 sense when you break it down. I was also on the “her character is annoying train” overall. I think it makes way more sense when you look at the overall arc of season 8 objectively. Not to mention the networks attempt to budget cut the show continually.
I'm amazed they managed to work with what they had so well considering how the network repeatedly screwed with them
I am a huge fan of Kaley's. I loved Big Bang, and Harley Quinn. I am today years old when I learned she was on Charmed.
Enjoy this new knowledge lol
I absolutely luv charmed, I have watched it my entire life. I rewatch every few months or so. And as I get older I grow more and more appreciation for every part of the show. I absolutely luv Billie. I think it was important for Paige to have her as a charge. I think it was important to remind the girls how’s they stated. I’ve always believed teaching just makes u understand the subject more. When piper taught Paige she relearned everything from the beginning and going back is important to understanding where u r and how u got there. And Billie served as that reminder. Also the choosing her sister. They did that in the beginning with pure and they had to learn the hard way about sacrifice when phoebe was on trial in the future. Sometimes u have to learn the hard way and Billie needed to push them so they could better themselves and learn exactly what they wanted. And to know they r not evil for wanting to live a life outside of the power of three which has defined them for a long time. I think Billie was one of the most impressive introductions into charmed. Along with Paige and losing pure. (Don’t get me wrong I love pure) it’s important story wise if u only think about it from a story stand point
Billie's scrying with a crystal in her mouse reminds me of when people used to take the ball out as a lame joke.
All the blonde, hating jokes that the show had from season one until casting her
I've just rewatched Charmed since it originally came out and I watched season 7 and 8 for the first time. I don't know if I would have liked or hated Billy back then, but now I was really happy about her appearance... maybe because of TBBT
Can we get a video on your charmed character ranking with all the major players. That would be fun 🤓
I have a theory that she was born from the nexus that why she is so powerful
Bills and Christy were introduced too late in the series if you ask me. I think Billie should’ve been brought in around season 6 with the quest of her sister being her arc for 2 seasons that developed over time. We would’ve had a more invested depth into the story had this happened.
One thing that was really lacking in the later seasons was the world building element of the sisters lives. There were no friends, cousins, or anything really long lasting in their extended lives to care about which was a shame. This really was more in the Prue years. Paige’s life could’ve been delved into a bit more and it would’ve beem exciting if Billie was connected to Paige and a girl she knew (perhaps she was friends with Christy as a child before she went missing and then lost touch with the family after her parents died in the crash).
Christy was ultimately an innocent who was brainwashed and honestly, it’s The Charmed Ones’ biggest failing and you can kind of believe that the events of ‘Morailty Bites’ would be setting the stage due to the sisters lack of humanity and empathy in the later years.
Ultimately, the sisters vs sisters finally storyline could’ve been epic had it been handled a bit more historically on what the shows foundations was originally about. Sisterhood.
I didn’t like Billie in the beginning. However over time she grew on me. I think probably most because of the lost sister thing. They did over power her and it made the story line weird. The charmed ones should have had to save an inexperienced new witch who clung onto the sisters because she was all alone. I however liked Christy from the jump. I knew she was going to be evil. It just made since and yet she started off way weaker than Billie. So we kinda seen her growth what little it was. I also like how her being with her parents started to change her into a little girl again. Then boom she loses them and now only has Billie😢
I agree the Bille hate was ridiculous the people using her siding with her sister are the same ones that excuse Piper going to the extreme to get Leo back (which is understandable). It's not about what she did it''s the fact that the fans are loyal to the charmed ones. But yeah Bille got a lot of hate for all the changes when the actors paid a role in some of the changes.
You speak le truth lol
Great video - probably my favorite so far 👍. I like Billie too and I have never had a crush on her, so it's not just that your feelings have clouded your judgement. You're in good company. As both a victim of multiple traumas and having been in the claws of a manipulative psychpath, as well as a fan of Cinema Therapy, I totally agree. Billie's traumas doesn't *excuse* her betraying her found family, but it certainly does explain it. I like to think Phoebe wasn't the only one who forgave her. If even Penny could welcome her back, it would be strange if the sisters wouldn't (remember Piper "if Grams thinks it's a good idea, who am I to disagree"😉)
There was an interesting Season 9 fanfic I remember reading years ago dealing with Piper learning to forgive Billie and I could have seen it playing out that way in the show
I wouldn't call Billie a Mary sue for Mastering her powers it just means she was more into understanding her powers unlike Prue and the others who were more concerned about their personal life.
Prue, you mean the others?? Prue was always about saving innocents lol, watch the show again
Or dont make her op and let her with chrity alone do that.
The common reason someone gets accused of being a Mary Sue is being too powerful lol
I was going through all the character videos and I couldn't find one for Piper? Have you not done one and if so do you plan to. I love your character break down videos and opinions of them...
Ah no, haven't gotten around to her just yet
I never understood why people hated lana because she was a good character same goes for laurel from the show arrow
I always liked Yanny from arrow too!
I didn't watch enough of Smallville to get a sense of her but I remember a few friends going on about how they hated her
Good laurel kinda came back. Thats why earth 2 laurel joined, the anger at laurels death.
@@BetterWithBob they didnt like her cause she was stopping Clark from being with Lois, even though Lois should've never been on the show to begin with. Lana was a complex and fascinating character, and had a great evolution
I didn’t hate Billie just Christy and that they were the ultimate power that never made since since the charmed witches power of 3 not 2 are the strongest force of good in the charmed universe (at least for witches) Billie would’ve been great in season 6 as Paige’s charge that is learning how to use the craft and sticks around as a friend of the family until the end of the show without the ultimate power storyline
They did rush her power development with telekinesis especially. Like you stated Prue didn’t master her telekinesis to its almost fullest potential until season 3 where she used to enhance her fighting abilities. Paige’s telekinetic orbing didn’t advance until her 3rd season (S6) as well when she can now orb objects without it appearing at her hand or near her but to deviate attacks like Prue used to and she once non verbally orbed a stone to their attic.
I think the reason Billie and Christy had extra power because it skipped a generation with their mother, so they both got the magic she would have had, giving them enough for three witches
I loved Prue but I understand your opinions
There are plenty of things I like about her too :)
I watched Charmed so many times... I have no memory of Billie... I guess I blocked out the last season 🤷♀️
Your feeling is the majority lol
I was 13 when I saw season 8 for the first time and I hated Billie with passion. I didn't analyse why, I just disliked her. Now I understand how silly it was. But I still think that season 8 overall was such a mess. It had some really great moments, and sometimes I feel like rewatching, but when I try to do so, it annoys the heck out of me. Something about this just doesn't work, and that's affecting the Billie character too
Fair enough
I love og charmed 🔥
If I'm being honest, I still don't like Billie but this video was nice to watch. I think I just found her a bit annoying and then the arch with Christy was just kinda disappointing for me?
The only thing I didn't like about Billie was Christie and her influence over her. It frustrated me how easily she believed everything she said and never thought to consider the environment she had been for years and how she'd be affected. It makes sense she'd believe her sister is nothing more than a victim and she's young/naive. However, I was younger than her at the time of watching, it just seemed that Christie's anger with her delivery it felt like 75% of the time (don't understand why she chose that acting decision), made her clearly not sound like a victim to me. So, I eventually realized after rewatching it was not Billie that I didn't like, but really Christie. I realized that I liked Billie as long as Christie was out of the picture.
As for the critique that Kaley's acting is "awkward" or bad. The only time I kind of thought Billie (Kaley) was bad at acting was when Christie was killed. Her crying seemed very fake to me, especially compared to seeing all the other actors and actresses cry over the years and doing it so well and in such a moving way. However, in her defense, she had less experience than them and wasn't the worst. She was a lot better in her other emotional scenes.
Tbh I always loved Billie. By the time season 8 rolled around I had grown tired of most of the story plots, plus I always liked Kaley. I never got over the fact that she had to actually kill her own sister, it broke my heart completely, and then as soon as it happened the show wrapped up and everything was all happy and good and we never got to see Billie grieve. It's a thing I always hated about the final episode. I understand why people might not like her, it's the same with Dawn from Buffy, but I've always loved both (probably also cos they were more my age when I watched than the main characters on both shows)
I disliked Dawn at first but I grew to love her by the end of Season 6 😊
@@BetterWithBob I understand why Dawn can be disliked though, I'm currently rewatching and even though I personally do not dislike her, I definitely understand why others would
@Alice Nine (A9) I think people get annoyed by dawn and miss that she's MEANT to be the annoying little sister. Like at times she pisses me off but she's SUPPOSED TO.
I'm not ashamed to say that i liked Billie (and Christy even) :) !!
same I felt so sorry for Christy, her story is devastating
Billie was like the Cousin Oliver of Charmed. ....I wrote that before getting to the point where you mention this trope, and now I'm cracking up. It's SO TRUE, though. And I haaaaate when producers feel the need to bring in younger blood to keep a show "interesting." >
Yeah I used to really hate Billy but looking back there were two bigger problems the writing and Christy, Christy was a huge fucking problem.
It's not that Billie & Christie are necessarily bad characters or anything, I just feel like they needed more episodes for this story, I think what they wanted to portray is a bit too nuanced and it just felt rushed, it felt too fast and it seemed like every other episode Billie was switching sides-- which I know the same could be said for Phoebe when she is with Cole, but we had seasons to build up that relationship, we understood the connection. This story arc was never going to get the time and creative dedication it deserved because it was the last season & budget cuts
ETA - I feel like Billie watching Phoebe's kids while she is in labor is possibly proof she was accepted back by the whole family, I think the sisters are TIGHT & their kids would be their everything, and do you think Piper would hold her words if she thought Phoebe was letting someone harmful around her kids? I'll also say just in general, labor is one of the most stressful things that you can put your body through, you want someone with the other children that you know in your heart that you trust fully to handle any and all emergencies- so that you can focus on this "emergency" if you will. I always took this to mean that she was part of the family so much so that Piper nor Paige was watching the kids, like they could have been, but rather Billie was with the kids and she had a place in their family and would naturally be part of the welcoming home crew for the new baby- which is precious 💕
Beautifully said about the babysitting
"do you think Piper would hold her words if she thought Phoebe was letting someone harmful around her kids? "
LOOOOOOOOOL!!!
agree with you! Piper, at least the Piper at the end would definitely NOT hold back if she thought someone harmful was around the kids...wither hers or her sisters'!
The problem with her character was simple: Time.
You need time to get used to a new character and they needed her to do way too much to give us a time with her.
"She is way too rush and has to calm down. No she isn't anymore because she has to suddently look for her sister now. She just found her in unrelated "monster of the week" episode so we are now introducing Christie. Ok, Christie is evil now so Billie must trust somebody, she barely remembered few episodes ago and knows was raised by demons, to care more about good than Charmed ones."
They just didn't have time and money to make stuff happen at reasonable speed so they switched her character to whatever it needed to be at given time. If she was introduced at the start of season 7 so we could get attached to her (and it's hard not to love Kaley Cuoco when she gets to be perky and goofy) the part where Christie would slowly turn her evil would hit so much harder after a whole season of her being a sexy golden retriever.
Also, when it comes to acting, it's really hard to see Kaley Cuoco few slip ups compared to Marnette Patterson who is gorgeous but has like three faces she does in every single movie or show I've ever seen her in: Neutral/annoyed, angry, having sex.
[b. 1980] I never hated Billie, but I have always been less mainstream, on the outside and for the underdogs. I agree with your comments on how her role could have been better.
1. The zeitgeist of that era was not as enlightened as we are now, different times. Psychological evaluations as you do related to trauma was not a mainstream thing to do. Look at the cultural shift from Disney villains, first they were the evil, then they got compassion and back stories. It is a social evolution of culture.
2. Shannon was the one with the spirit and a vision of this show. You notice the difference after she was booted off the island. After that it was more or less repeating with not that good character growth, that stuck. True before she pulled the focus which could be a little bit better redistributed, but I get how this was and came to be.
3. The biggest problem Billie had was how the show was already ended. Surprise it was not... and in comes Billie... all this was part of what people expressed as they gave critique on Billie, which was a build up from the show itself. And it trying to re-invent itself, because the story had finished, long before.
3.1 Imagine how this show could also have been, with the Magical world better worked out, Like magic school suddenly always having been there, they magical world was not given much thought before. Over time we had this building up slightly, with magical roles that came back.
Less focus on the love stories like Cole and Phoebe, it was a constant back and forth and the focus of the show, the demons were the side story at that time. Not how the show started. It was focused on the sisters, and the magic...
in comes Leo was a beginning of this, having a relationship with a man... before they were dating but that was not a focus - it was about the relationship between the sisters, dealing with a world of magic. And strife and troubles aka demons. See how it began, and how it ended.
Not saying they could not have had love relationships, but they became the main focus.
3.2 Page had similar resentment but people had not slightly fallen out of love for the show yet. After Prue was killed off.
6:33 calling the Charmed Ones "three old women".....what, were they 30?😅
To be fair, the Charmed Ones made it incredibly easy for Christy to turn Billy against them. Especially Piper, I have sympathy for Piper because she lost Leo but still. Once she found out they were the ultimate power she went on the attack and didn't even give Billy a chance. I feel like the last season was rushed, and it made The Charmed Ones come off as incredibly selfish.
00:01 Paige: "This is real, deadly real."
Billie: "You can't use an adverb with a noun." *smirk*
Did professional writers tell a college student to say that "real" is a *noun* and not an *adjective* ?!! Adverbs can modify adjectives and are used to do so all the time in formal, academic English as well as informal, standard speech.
And that's not even opening the can of worms on the rare instances where adverbs indeed *can* modify nouns (something, again, paid professional Hollywood writers should definitely know, but something I'd let an Average Jane get away with not knowing -- unless she was studying English or Literature in college )
My biggest peeve with season 8 is the change of the song in the opening credits 😅
oh in the original airing it was still How Soon Is Now. They just lost the license for the DVD release
I LOVED WHEN IN THE EPISODE THAT THE SOURCE WAS RESURRECTED AND BILLIE HAD TO GO GET THE CHARMED ONES TO GO TO A DEMON RIDDEN MAGIC SCHOOL ? WHEN SHE ASKED THE SISTERS WHO THE SOURCE WAS WAS PRICELESS !
For me the character I like the least is Phoebe. She is the least relatable. But that might be because of personal experience. When I tell people, my life story... They quite usually demand proof. More than once, they ended up as my suicide watch. Unnecessary. If I tended to check out early, I would be dead for like 20yrs now. Long story short. My father left us when I was three. It was worse than Victor did. My father literally disowned me in court. Entered my stepfather, who tried to convince me to off myself, at the age of 5. For 18 years he made my life a living hell. The school was no better I was bullied. Like my best friend was bullied in the same way and got killed during... I was more durable. Stepfather left and 4 million crowns of debt stayed. Behind our back, he robbed, embezzled, forged my mother's signature, and loaned from the Ukrainian mob. The things I had to do in the past 15 years. And still owe 200000 crowns. And my love life. first, 2 girlfriends died. third was truly evil. cheating, manipulating her brother to kill, when I learned the truth and moved. and for 10 years she stalked me and destroyed all my relationships so far, despite being married and having 2 kids.
To the point. Considering all of that. I liked Piper the most. But Prudence was the closest to me. Just like her, I was denied my childhood. I had to fulfil my duty to my younger siblings. being the wet blanket. And all and any of my mistakes were made out of proportion. Because I needed to be perfect. Mother was at work. I was expected to care, teach, cook, clean.... everything was my fault. At least it fell that way, and as long as stepfather was around, he beat me for the tiniest of things. It did not matter who did what. I was at a place, where having demons responsible for all evil, that is happening to you, would be a great improvement.
Honestly, Billie's arc is better than Cole's last 2 or 3 arcs and the whole Chris/Wyatt time travel arc. Kaley Cuoco is a great actress who doesn't deserve the blame for the show falling apart before she even got added to the cast.
As for the online bitching and moaning about Rey and Captain Marvel... there is no definition of Mary Sue that applies to Rey without applying to every single force user in the franchise. Especially extended universe Luke. People just hated Captain Marvel because they hated the fact that Brie Larson is an unapologetic feminist and the internet is full of nazis that can't let a single feminist go unpunished.
thats was fab thank you
You're welcome :)
Imo, season 8 suffered because of budget.
We didn't have much Leo and they introduced a character in the shows final hour, who took a lot of screen time and then add the whole . . Turning on the sisters and using Wyatt thing and I get why she annoyed people.
Unfortunately a case of the network demanding things and then not giving them the resources they needed.
I guess I'm the one fan who hated Billie but liked Christy.
Well the reason Billie turning on the sisters can be seen because of theyre behavior to their destiny. The charmed ones are pretty selfish and lot of times more concerned about themselves and that's mostly piper and Phoebe. Paige use be like Billie ready to fight and do wats right until she gets fully sucked in . Prue was becoming part of the game ready to full understand and get deeper into her destiny but is killed off.
I mean u can also understand that the charmed ones were burned out they suffered so much in their lifetime and just kinda got over it. They wanted to be selfish for themselves for once. I mean because of this life they lost Daryl the only human friend they had to help them in some situations. Plus they lost so much more. So from their point of view I understood them in season 8.
And there's a residual bit of our Christian centric society that even girls raised by witches would catch some blowback of - the idea that suffering is noble. They had to do nothing but sacrifice their time, energy and in some cases family members to this cause. Piper now had two children to think of especially
I loved Billie the only thing I didn't like was her turning evil cause her easily believing the lie her sister told her wasn't believable especially because her sister didn't know the sisters the way she did. Her sister was also raised by demons for like 15 years so how is she all of a sudden aware of their shared destiny. She didn't even question where the guy came from. It just didn't sell well
I loved Billie and I still love the actress till this day
YES! I LOVE BILLIE! She gets too much hate!
I still like Billie. We all know the importances of sisterhood for the past 7 season, a new breath of air from a new character with her own story was needed. Christy was also groomed and raised by demons into warping her sense of morality. So technically she was misguided and her whole life was a lie, just like Connor from Angel into hating his father and believing that all demons were evil. Christy also didn't know that once the Traid were also planning on killing her and Billie, after they severed their purpose on killing the Charmed ones. Billie/Kaley dosen't deserve any hate.
The charmed ones were so selfish in season 8 and Billy actually wanted to help innocents. Commenting before I watch.
Think you can do an episode on the feud between the actresses?
I liked Billie fine. I just didn't like the Christie plot. It kinda felt like they were doing it as a "Just in case they want a season 9" but they half assed it. And even then it's a cheap repeat of Phoebe becoming queen of the underworld to stay with Cole.
Also have loved Kaley for ages so that helps even though she's definitely a worse actor than the rest of the cast (at the time, she's absolutely matured though I THINK shes learned what roles shes good for)
She seems to be earning a lot of praise for her work in The Flight Attendant
The biggest issue with Billie is that she never had the proper time. I brought this up before, but I think thatbhad Billie been introduced halfway through season 7, or even towards the backend, she might have had a better setup for not only her role but also her story arc. Rather than focusing half the season on getting Billie situated in the role of witch in training they could have spent more time on the actual Christy arc and made it more compelling
Let’s be clear I LOVED Kayley Cuoco and always have which is the only reason I liked Billie! She was quite annoying a character to watch at times but still made the final season great to watch and her acting is incredible!
Agreed!