Designing REFERENCE Speakers you can 3D print - Part 1
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This is gonna be so good. Stoked to finish it up!!
NO REPLYS?!!! Come on guys!!! Hiiii snazzy
Working on open source designs is a really cool idea! I'm curious how this turns out. Maybe once they are done you could do a collab with Erin (from Erin's Audio Corner) to measure them, it would be interesting to see how close the simulation is to the measurements of the final product.
A great start. Hopefully more reviewers will learn from you and be more hands-on with the audio and learn the internal mechanics of it.
suggestions: You could try an Inverted V on the rear, or the pattern that you generally see on a pyramid foam, This will reduce the back wave, generally improves clarity. Series Crossover in my builds improved clarity because of the lower values of inductors in the woofer path.
All the best!
Thank you for doing something fun in the 3d printing space. We always appreciate having new people join into the content sphere. To those who are thinking of getting an ankermake, they are pretty good from an ease of use standpoint, they are about neck in neck with the newer bambulabs stuff.
DUDE! This is such a cool idea!! Now I want a 3D Printer so I can print my own speaker cabinet lol
That’s exactly what I’m thinking, was gonna buy a speaker kit but this is another route, probably a dangerous one but a fun one!
4:3 aesthetic I like it
Dms this is freaking awesome! I really like your videos that push the capabilities of audio, and especially those that utilise 3d printing. Considering that this technology is becoming drastically more accessible, hopefully more people might be inspired by your videos to work towards making 3d printing a viable route for achieving high end audio. It would be really interesting to fast forward 10 years and see all the weird and amazing projects that arise.
This content is great, I'm excited for part 2.
Can't wait for part 2, planning on trying this out myself
sounds amazing, can't wait to print this on my Bambu P1S printer.
ur fashion style and video visuals are so classy and cool, love it a lot
I have the m5c and it’s the best. Game changer
The 4:3 aspect ratio is awesome and a throwback to old CZcams where every single video was 4:3.
Ohhhh, my bambu lab x1c's going to work soon!
Rad, excited for part 2
The advantage of printing the speaker box is that you can use shapes never used before or at lower costs.
Awesome! Been thinking of treating myself to my first 3d printer this holiday, and this just made my short-list 😁
Future project suggestions: continued mods for current headphones (I remember trying to make Senns closed back)? Mods to a car to make it more audiophile-friendly (insulation foam, speakers, players, etc)? 2023 tier list with @joshuavalour? And something totally crazy: 3d print some glasses frames or glasses attachments for tiny head speakers or iems (maybe with @Crinacle) just for ridiculousness? 😂
Great work as always, and happy holidays! 🎉
I’ve got 3 of these printers and 2 of the M5. The M5Cs are weirdly better and can’t wait to get more. Love this project! ❤
more power to you Bro, I love your videos
Great video! ❤️
I am here for this! Would love to see some good DIY acoustical absorbers / diffusers
Cant wait to see part 2
I feel like you can read minds, I just got a 3D printer and was looking into new speakers! I'm curious what you think about using a center channel speaker instead of bookshelf speakers at a desk, because thats what I've been looking into because that's all I have space for. Cool video, can't wait for part 2!
Some suggestions:
- Bends on ports makes them lose efficiency fast, even with decently angled curves, so try to make them at most an L upwards (with a way gentler curve than those 90 degrees lol), and flaring both ends helps air velocity to not become a problem (aka Chuffing).
- Flat walls are bad relative to curved walls both as their relative strength and as they create parallel surfaces which propagate way more resonances; traditional panel manufacturing tacles these two problems as you guys did, increasing the thickness/ using more inert material, but additive manufacturing don't have those constraints. I understand you guys tried to do as big as the bed would go for 2 pieces, but i would suggest going taller or wider and increasing to 3/4 parts for this particular project.
Nicely Done.
Best of luck :)
Great aspect ratio
Sweet, would like to see the crossover design, the woofer looks like a SBacoustics, my favorite Brand
Waiting for the part 2 my man
thank you for using speakon, it really needs to be used more for non PA speakers
I do think that a plywood box with a 3d printed waveguide (and bass reflex port) might give better results though, might try to build than once the plans are released
damn son..can't wait for this
I love this. We have a smaller 3D printer, and I would be very curious to see what can be done with a larger one. Thank you!
One idea I've thought about is that you could make a 2-walled speaker body and fill the void between the walls with sand like old Wharfedale speakers. Guess it depends on if sand is cheaper than using more filament
DIY perk did that with plater of Paris
Now you generally do that for speed as the slower printer can take days to print such massive part
@@zblurth855 good sand for speaker building purposes is actually a bit expensive (you need a dry, dense sand that compacts on itself and flows well), and the plaster of Paris does not adhere to PLA and can resonate over time as it delaminates.
Epoxy resin that doesn't overheat when cured is even more expensive, but it's also the best option, and almost the perfect option. It's just really tricky to work with due to its low viscosity when it begins to cure (it will permeate PLA in certain geometries and leak out).
Cool
I NEED THIS...
Nice! I wonder if the wall size can be reduced with a CF filament. My P1S is gonna be busy!
diy audio stuff is cool but i wish u went into more depth about the design decisions, problems, solutions and how you arrived at the final product
this video really should've been 3 times longer at least
Saving that stuff for part 2 mostly.
Any chance we'll see Part 2 any time soon.
Thanks
Love the style of this video, but suuuuuuuper interested to see what you, Blaine, and CEO of Fight Animation Scgorg have cooked up 😊
You should try to get the acoustic centers closer for a better vertical off axis response and use braces to damp the box vibrations, otherwise it will sound like a plastic box
But it's a fun idea overall
Actually trying to make this fairly cardioid. Ideally just listening within a 30 degree window to avoid reflections.
@@DMS3TVtry to make the off axis response fairly even.
Absolutely get acoustic centers as close as possible even if it means cutting into part of the wave guide box.
@@DMS3TV so try to lower the crossover frequency as much as the tweeter can handle to avoid cancellations between the drivers at the crossover point. 30° is a lot in the vertical plane and the drivers can end up out of phase
I have the same thing in mind but everybody is telling me "why build it when you can buy one" :)) keep the good work!
I'd love a smaller version of these!
Gotta watch this 4:3 on a CRT tv for the best experience
Any plans to check out the head(amame)? 3D printed open/closed back headphones.
Great project.did you dampen the box to stop the honky resonances?Cheers.
Will be interesting to see how much the 3D printed enclosure resonates. And how bad the port noise turns out to be. Until then I will continue to bother Mad to fix that.
I want to see an active crossover design.
How about 3D print headband for Focal Clear?
What are you doing to combat resonances?
It's great that you were able to come up with such a relatively strong enclosure, but anything that flexible will surely resonate.
That’s why we printed it much thicker. It’s very rigid now and the measurements seem happy.
I wonder if the Plaster of Paris + PVA Glue trick works as a substitute for a 1Kg of Filament
i was wondering this also
What material are you using/what filament? And what was the reasoning? I literally want tj start making a speaker with a 3D printer as the main reason for getting the 3D printer lol. What filament is best for that?
Very cool. I am super interested in this project but I am not very interested in getting into 3D printing.
That said, I know a couple people who print large scale items (one 3D printed a life sized tonton head (from Star Wars) and mounted it on the wall like a trophy head) and I would strongly consider paying them to do the printing.
DMS! , How about making some special brownies?
Hi DMS! Please, would you be so kind and help me? I bought Tygr 300 R but my MB doesnt have enoght juice to power them. What amp would you recommend? I only need to make them loud and sound clear, I dont need any special features. I am from europe so I cant get some brands but I can get Topping for example. I was looking at Topping DX1 what do you think?
Hi, Inspired by your Atmos setup I'm re-creating mine.
1. 2 x esi gigaport ex ( 2 x 8 outputs )
2. 6 x KABD-230 2 x 30W (12 * 30W with DSP )
3. Speakers ??? Maybe this project ? ( hard to find price sweet spot as there will be 11 of them )
How well does the plastic absorb the vibrations? I'm a bit worried how going from MDF to printed plastic is going to affect the resonance of the cabinet.
Now that I’m using a better wall thickness it’s been solid.
can you make a review on the new abyss MRR
What material is this printed on? PLA? Curious to see if there's any improvement when printed with different material like glass-filled PLA.
For sound you may have more diffence of you use more pla that buy more expensive gf filled
Now the stiffness will increase but if you just add a perimeter it will increase to and will be probably cheaper
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I would love to see how much 1 Pair costs in total, aswell as a list of components with costs. Information on the room size these are optimized for would also be interesting.
I've been working on a pair for the past few months that seem to use almost identical drivers, and to avoid resonances, I used about 3.5kg of filament per speaker. I also printed with 4 walls, and 33% infill, and had bracings on every wall and a cross brace. I used bambu PLA on sale, so the total cost, plus the drivers and xover parts, comes out to be about $500 per pair.
Considering they will have identical components to the famous Revel M105, and will measure even better, it's a very good deal.
An interesting idea but even a thick 3D printed cabinet is likely to be quite resonant. If you don’t already intend to do this, I would highly recommend capturing some accelerometer measurements of the finished cabinet.
Regarding the absence of DSP, I really believe that you are working against yourself there. The 306P which you hope to outperform is a DSP based speaker and a traditional crossover would need to be very complex in order to eliminate the resonant peaks likely to occur in this cabinet.
This is why we did simulations first and during the cabinet designs. I haven't measured any resonant peaks.
@@DMS3TV Except you can hear exactly how resonant it is when you tap the body twice towards the end of the video. It rings a lot. Simulation does not provide all the answers. Why do you think, most of the best speaker cabinet designs utilize a LOT of mass in the cabinet? Firstly to ensure that the cabinet does not flex or move, and secondly to lower the resonance levels and their resulting frequencies. I am going to guess that the cabinet is not only going to flex but also ring. You will need to add a lot of mass dampening material to alleviate that. And going for a no dsp route as well is probably not going to help with such a obviously resonant box.
@@ferociousmullet9287 a few things to note. That’s an open housing I tap. You’ll get the same thing with a speaker box made of MDF. The nice thing is resonances will absolutely show up on measurements, and in this case they aren’t. You don’t need mass what you need is rigidity and careful design. Mass is just an easy solution to the same issue (but not the only solution).
@@DMS3TV We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Because I've been doing this too long (several decades longer than you) to not know exactly what this is going to end up sounding like. Maybe your idea of 'good' is very different to mine. And yes I understand the mechanical design, electrical design and DSP aspects. Good luck. Simulation is not the be all and end of everything, simulations are only as good as the information they are using to provide the models. And models are not the real world. They are often much simplified. And complex interactions exist that many simulations do not take into account.
@@ferociousmullet9287 I agree simulations are not the end all. That’s why I printed and measured so many times. Luckily the science is pretty firmly established at this point and the rigidity of the materials we’re using is being taken into account 😄
Is your concern that it will affect a facet of the sound that can’t be measured?
Other 3d printed speaker designs had to resort to plaster fills to reduce noise bleed and rattle, curious if or how you fixed this. Especially since you didn't talk about design process or build materials at all it makes it seem like your "best speaker design" is just hot air.
best iems for u? i want the best for gaming and music, i main the zetian wu planner iem but idk much about dynamic or other plannars, can u recommend me 1 iem that doesnt cost more than 400? and a dac/amp because i,m using sound blaster g6 and prob is bad XD xd
Before opening the link for the 3D-Printer, I was like "Another one of those overpriced products..." - Turns out it's actually affordable for almost anyone. I'm really looking forward to how your speaker are gonna turn out.
I am here to fight on behalf of Tech Ingredients. He and his son are perfect and should never change ever.
When is part 2 comming?
I would like to buy a headphone from "Sennheiser"
What do you suggest ?
What software are u using to get directivity info from t/s parameters???
vituix and some others
Was planing on buying the jbl speaker.. i have a new 3d peinter since a week. Well guess i dont need a jbl speaker xD
I got a very simple question: Whether I'm on the go or at home, I basically only use bluetooth headphones. The reason? The cable of course, but not in the way most of you would think. I don't mind being tied to a certain space while writing songs, listening to music or playing games. What really bugs me is that I can hear every little movement in the cable, when it taps something, when it rubs against something and I really can't sit still that well (ADHD boy in da house
Interesting. You may have issues in the bass because that port is so long.
Akros could crush that puny speaker into smithereens with his 36 inch pythons, brother!
Que impresora utilizas amigo?
I was recently looking for a reason to justify buying a 3d printer, this might be a reason 😅 way cooler to print your own speakers than buy some off the shelf
Oh thank God I though you were going to test a pride blaster.
Is this a dead project? Anker posted the STL files, which brought me here. Really wanted to try this out
How'd you find the files? I tried searching but found tons of projects that were not this one
will it fit on the print bed of a prusa original mk3?
Just barely
something interesting, not detrimental to your design but topical, Neutrik is actually doing away with their NL4 and updating their speakon design which seems to require a special tool for assembly.
Are you using any interior dampening?
Not currently. Haven’t had any resonance issues.
@@DMS3TV no standing waves?
Doesn’t plastic resonate way too hard, even if printed in structure? Maybe a hollow shell filled with quartz sand could work as speaker enclosure.
It’s all about the wall thickness
Nothing ear buds 2 or one plus pro 2?
Im waiting for part II. This kind of teasers should not be allowed.
Open source DAP next? 🤣
That would actually be really fun
i miss your budget headphone reviews
There’s still more coming
ETA on part 2?
Waiting for earbuds video please
Which drivers are you using?
SB acoustics ceramic drivers
@@DMS3TV it would be interesting to see the frequency responses.
@@dangerzone007 I'll have it all in part 2 😄 dispersion, fr, etc. Lots of work ahead!
@@DMS3TV you'll probably have many more parts if you want to get it just right.
Who is the mystery guy on the oscilloscope? Hope you are not getting mixed up with SPECTRE. 🧐
It’s Blaine (MadEconomist)
@@sjqideez6626 Never suspected Blaine was mixed up withSPECTRE.
Bruh. That explains why ur post is soo infrequent. I thought about designing my own speakers and 3d printing them but even after i tried to design 3d printed headphones it took me like 3 weeks before even printing started. After my first test print it took me about 2 months to where i left it. The headphones work and when put on correctly are ballanced with the stereo image but signature is all over the place cuz never got to tuning the space behind drivers and the 15$ drivers them selfs dont be amazing.
Wow I can't wait to use my AnkerMake! The AnkerMake M5C is a super inexpensive and ultra fast 3D printer that just works!
Speaker design 101 you need solid cabinets.
Rigidity being the key thing. Many materials just need more mass to be rigid.
@@DMS3TV when you do a frequency sweep put your hand on the cabinet and make sure you can't feel it vibrating too much.
slicer settings make or break nearly every functional print for me.... maybe i need to get a faster printer so that i can always maximize robustness
When it's done why not send it to Amir to get it tested?
I would certainly be willing to.
PLA and holow walls are super bad for speaker... you need some dense material for the box... maybe filling the walls with epoxy and sand?!
not having any issues since I increased the wall thickness
@@DMS3TV i mean for the sound it produce, you dont want chambers like an guitar body, that can resonate at special/unwanted frequency, i had printed some speaker too (i will only give the info i found, why its often bad to 3d print well boxes for speaker)
@@kjgfalsk luckily resonances would show up in the measurements 😄 haven’t had any issues since updating the slice
@@DMS3TV if so nice, i had only to say that pla and gaps are relativ worse for that kind of usage^^
hmm
So, this is cool, but are you saying the project can only really be printed properly with the AnkerMake model in the video, or just that it does a good job? Or does a sponsored video mean you can't really answer that question one way or the other here? It would be helpful if, when these designs are released, you could provide min specs for a printer to do the job. Better yet, it'd be nice if the community could, over time, provide a 'verified' list of printers that have successfully printed the project to spec. I don't own a 3D printer yet, and while I'm sure this one is nice, I don't really want to be picking a printer based on one project. Not to sound ungrateful - I appreciate the work.
FWIW, I'm in Australia and the local distributor doesn't have the M5C available, just the older model.
There’s definitely multiple printers that could do this, but this is the only one I can personally vouch for given my experience.
The hard part is accuracy. Some of my older printers have the same print bed size but the AnkerMake is the first printer I’ve had that can actually complete prints this big without failing.
@@DMS3TV Ah, cool. Understood. Cheers for the reply.
why iis this in 4:3
Aesthetics
Maybe because they shot open gate on a Lumix Micro Four-Thirds camera?
Looks sick on my CRT monitor 😎
“hauls 19” CRT out of the basement”
I think GroPro has 4:3 mode on models 11 and up. It’s a great way to shoot 5K
but I want it noooooowwwww
(but I'll wait). Also willing to get messy with a plaster/PVA in-fill.
also, props for going down the passive path. I'm an engineering student/DJ and I'm totally here for a DIY monitor project.
Is this 4:3 form factor staying around? I hope not, I don't its benefit on a CZcams video, its details get crushed.....
Just having fun. I’m sure I’ll mix it up a hundred more times.
Detail should be the same.
Nice! But the aesthetics could be improved, right now it looks like genelec and a minion had a child
waste of time
Care to elaborate?