Demo of the 1703 Wender organ in Arnstadt, Germany
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- Demo of the 1703 Wender organ in Arnstadt, Germany
1699-1703 baute Johann Friedrich Wender auf der dritten Empore eine Orgel mit zwei Manualen und 21 Registern. Im Juni 1703 hat der 18-jährige Johann Sebastian Bach die Orgel geprüft und abgenommen. Er hat solch einen Eindruck hinterlassen, dass er gleich als Organist verpflichtet wurde. Nach dem Vertrag von 1699 verfügte das Instrument über folgende Disposition:
I Brustpositiv CD-c3
1. Stillgedacktes 8′ (44)
2. Principal 4′ ( 1)
3. Spitzflöte 4′
4. Nachthorn 4′ (27)
5. Quinta 3′ ( 1)
6. Sesquialtera doppelt ( 2)
7. Mixtur III ( 1′) (18)
II Hauptwerk CD-c3
8. Principal 8′ (1)
9. Viola di Gamba 8′ (42)
10. Quinta dena 8′ (26)
11. Grobgedacktes 8′ (46)
12. Gemshorn 8′ (39)
13. Offene Quinta 6′ ( 1)
14. Octava 4′ (46)
15. Mixtur IV (2′) (18)
16. Cymbel doppelt (1′) ( 8)
17. Trompete 8′
Cymbelstern C-Dur
Cymbelstern G-Dur
Pedalwerk CD-c1d1
18. Sub Baß 16′
19. Principal Baß 8′
20. Posaunen Baß 16′
21. Cornet Baß 2′
Koppeln: I/II (Schiebekoppel), II/P
Spielhilfen: Tremulant (ganze Orgel)
in Klammern Zahl der erhaltenen Originalpfeifen (320)
Stimmung: Tonhöhe 465 Hz, wohltemperiert (Wender temperament)
4 Keilbälge mit Trethebeln im Balghaus über der Orgel
Obwohl die Bedeutung dieser Orgel als Denkmal nie in Vergessenheit geriet, blieb sie nicht von diversen Umbauten verschont.[3]
Von der Orgel wurde 2004 eine Replik in der Kirche in Pontaumur, Auvergne aufgestellt, die auch für ein Bachfestival der Region genutzt wird. - Hudba
Wow, I listen to organ music on occasion, this popped up, it sounded interesting...I clicked...It is Balint!! I enjoyed his playing as our Minister of Music in First Lutheran Church of Boston from around 2005/6 to 2011/12 - I can't believe it, so cool. Every Sunday was like a free concert, and Bach Birthday celebrations and holidays were extraordinary. So happy to have found this. I very much miss hearing his playing.
beautiful music..musical engaged handsome guy !
This video is an absolute gem! Many thanks for this incredible demonstration! Gave me goosebumps knowing this is close to what Bach himself heard.
What a magnificent instrument, where the newer pipes blend beautifully with the older. Bach is smiling, for sure! Many thanks for this memorable demonstration.
Monsieur Karosi nous donne de merveilleuses leçons de registration! Merci maître.
What a perfect demonstration with the names of the stops appearing to the side of the screen. You play beautifully. What a joy to know that the Great Bach himself would recognise some of these sounds. Glorious! Thank you so much.
I always look forward to your demonstrations of how the various resources of these vintage instruments sound, individually, and in concert with one another in your performance at the end. Very much appreciated and enjoyed.
What a wonderful melange all those 8' stops make. Folks rave about St-Sulpice, but such possibilities were there even in small organs of Bach's time, albeit within a different aesthetic. No less emphasis on distinctive colour and superb blend, however. I love the economical but strong hints at a 16' chorus too, not only from the 6' Quint but also from the Mixture compositon. Skilful and beautiful improvisations too, thank you 🙏🏻
Yes. When I first went to Central Germany in 1985 what impacted me was the warmth of the organ tone in every instrument I met, and how different it was from a lot of the organ reform movement as experienced in my home country.
I was also fortunate to play this instrument in 2018 - it was a joy.
People should rave about St Sulpice, if only because 40% of the pipework is 18th Century Clicqot, and was carefully preserved when Cavaille-Coll rebuilt the organ.
ds1868 Obviously people should rave about St Sulpice. It is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) French romantic organ ever built and it is very well preserved, but you have to admit there is something indescribably wonderful about JSB’s own organ preserved with some original pipe work. And it should at least be appreciated for it’s incredible historical value
@@deaganjones4666 I agree! Both organs have their very own things that make them special and raveworthy in their own ways!
An organ that Bach himself played on for several years! :)
This was fun! I thoroughly enjoyed your demonstration. Hope to hear more from you.
Magnificant sound!!! Thank you very much for demoing all the different possibilities.
Thanks for the demonstration vlogs of historic organs. I really appreciate this. Well done.
Absolutely superb! Your demonstrations will be excellent resources for decadea3
1000 thx for this nice portrait! I am glad that you didn't forget the combi VdGamba + Quintad. because these two stops are nearly married in the Franconian-Thuringian organ type. The pipes and theire voicing are the same, only that the Qtd8 is stopped. This type of Qtd, which is more like an aliquot stop, differs from the North German - Dutch type, which is more a calmed foundation stop. Amazingly colourful the five 8 ' + O4', as if would be a decent 22/3 here! Also noticeably the Spitzfl 4' with its distinctiv 2'-harmonic compensates the missing 2' stop. The special feature of this type of organ is the high degree of mixing ability of all registers among each other, you can cross over - also coupled! - mix stops arbitrarily and it results in a new sound. Anyone who understands the sound concept of this organs as an organist and knows how Bach orchestrated his intrumental music will automatically choose correct registrations, because they offer corresponding possibilities.
The aesthetics you are describing made it actually through well into the first half of the 20th century in German Romantic organ design. The prominence of strings stops, narrow principals and Quintadena-ish sounds complemented with free (überbläsande) reeds. Wait for my next video. :-)
These truly great instruments are nearly idiot proof. it is harder to come up with an unpleasant registration than the other way round. It is too bad so many new instruments fail in this regard.
Beautiful sound. Thanks for sharing.
A true treat! Thank you so much!!!
So now i know better the organ of Arnstadt where J.S.Bach played.
Wonderful sounds from the different stops. Excellent recording.
Wonderful playing on a beautifully restored instrument! Thank you!
Absolutely charming; what a treat to hear such a wonderful instrument.
Thank you for the demonstration.
Thank you so much for this! I don’t often find stop-by-stop demonstrations of historical organs on CZcams. Beautiful instrument!
What a wonderful building, acoustic, organ, and demonstration. Lovely.
Thanks for this extraordinary demonstration. It is amazing how little changes in the mixture of the chosen registers can change the whole meaning and mood of the piece composed.
beautiful organ music, wonderful organist !
Wow. What great demos. Magnificent instruments demonstrating the organ builders art combined with talented sensitive playing!
Beautiful sound and beautiful church! Australia.
Absolutely wonderful instrument. Certainly an extraordinary piece of craftsmanship.
Thank you. That is a lovely old organ.
Fascinating and hugely informative. Thank you so much
while the music is wonderful, and the introduction to individual registers (is that right?) likewise, I have to admit as an old fellow that the organist's voice is perilously quiet -- almost inaudible..
So, this is a one of the Best organ demos, I, 'v ever heard👍👌😀
What a delight! Thank you for another amazing demonstration!
My big hope is that some time in the future you will do a big Demonstration of the Schnitger organ at St. Jacobi in Hamburg :-)
A master at voicing always clean AMAZING
Thank you for this. I took a pause from reading Wolff’s BACH: THE LEARNED MUSICIAN to hear you play this organ that harkens back to the time described in the book.
Bach es el padre de la música, interesante la clase de sonidos, saludos desde Chile 🎼🎶❤
Thank you so much!
thank you for sharing!
Such a great sound👍I'll put it in sampler.. Thanks for this great musical demo..😊👍
I love that they reserved the old pipes, and assuming they'd try to replicate the same tone from the original tone/pipework.
I really, really WANT to play that amazing instrument in that beautiful church 💕
All I can say is beautiful.An angelic sound.
Great historical tutorial.
How marvelous!
I really appreciate that you identify the "old pipes" and stops that are new pipes. That is something I always wonder about with organ demos.
What an interesting tonal structure.... the presence of a 5-1/3’ (well, “6’” in this case) *without* a 16’ is fascinatingly effective. It almost gives the effect of a 16’ reed added to the plenum, some sort of Dulzian or Posaune timbre. The power of resultant tones cannot be denied, I suppose.
Additionally, it’s pretty crazy how the voicing of the Brustwerk plenum gives the impression of a reed stop even though there is none.
Beautiful!
Golden fingers Bravo !!!
Thanks you...wonderful!
Wunderbar!
bravo, Balint, mesterien csinaltad!! Elismeresünk!!
Pulls the tremulant, rip headphone users.
What a powerfull sound that makes.
!!! I'm crying, when i hear this pipes :'( Nice!!!
I feel the same whenever I listen to this sound... 13:47 This is what redemption must sound like.
This organ sound is heavenly beautifull
Wunderbar!!
really like the sound of the trumpete with the offene Quinta. Would be a great sound to play the funeral march of queen mary.
Amazing ❤👏👏👏👏🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶
Sounds like the one Isoir played the organ book on. Glorious
It's interesting to hear the prominence of the fifth in the Quintadena, giving it a quasi reedy sound. A nice build up to a full Pleno.
The aesthetics you are describing is the Thuringian Baroque organ sound ideal. It made it actually through well into the first half of the 20th century in German Romantic organ design. The prominence of strings stops, narrow principals and Quintadena-ish sounds complemented with free (überbläsande) reeds. Wait for my next video. :-)
Best ORGEL demo ever.
Absolutely amazing.
Ganz imponierend!🙆♂️👍
I love the invention of the Cymbelstern. Such a wonderful, German musical addition. I love all the wonderous instruments, mechanichal figures, animals and sound effects in music, that Germany has created for all the world! Europa and the European culture has spawned some of the most incredible inventions EVER.
What an amazing sounding organ! I'm sure this was a major influence to J.S. Bach when composing some of his greatest works.😁 I wish we could hear your dialog better when you were explaining the different stops, etc. Nice demonstration though!😉👍 🎵🎶🎵
Baroque Posauna is simply crisp... Yeah, something like trompettes in Cavaillé-Colls organs :D
A stop list for this Organ is always something handy to carry
This is the best organ demonstration of anything on CZcams. The rest of them are worthless. Great job!!!
This is some goodness.
👍👍
A very good demonstration and description of basic registration - a pity your voice was difficult to hear relative to the volume of the organ.
Colin Gantiglew - He is very softly spoken. Which did surprise me a bit, because most of the Cathedral organists I have met have been very loud and assertive!
I liked the trumpet with the quint.
Also, the 6' Quint gives a nice 16' sound to the HW. A very useful stop.
A nice rich sounding instrument looking at the size of the façade I’m surprised to see it’s only a two Manuel
I find it difficult to wrap my mind around the fact that in 1703 they were able to make something that is considered an incredible piece of technology today, 2020.
Doesn't take many ranks to get a great sounding organ!
Thank you so much for this demonstration of the Wender Organ. I have just been reading Martin Geck's Johann Sebastian Bach, his life and works and had just read about that organ as i began the book and had it before me so i had the disposition of the stops which i had wondered about, but there is nothing like having someone go through and display the sounds. I notice in the book that the Great Quinta Dena is listed at 16'. I was watching your forearms as you were playing the coupler with mostly full organ, and i wondered how much pressure it takes to play it as such? Normally i would guess about two ounces of pressure on the key, but maybe coupled it would double. All in all a beautiful instrument and appreciate your deft touch.
Hi Chris, yes it takes quite a bit of force to play the manuals coupled together!
The german pipe organ tradition is so atypical !
Bello ❤️🇧🇷👍
Can you play the Trost Organ in the Stadtkirche (City Church) in Waltershausen? That’s also a Bach organ too. Thanks for uploading this video. The demonstration was superb. 👍
Thank you! Both are on my list! :-)
Excellent 👍 when will this demonstration be up? I’m a huge Thuringian organ fan
Interesting that the congregation has a 20th-century instrument in the 2nd-tier choir loft in addition to the Wender Organ above.
Hence the expression: Pulling out all of the stops.
Or making the grids positive...
hence the expression: I'm admiring your massive organ
The BWV 565 traditionally was composed on this organ. But how was this possible since C#1 is missing ???
I think the hand-pumped bellows still work correct?
Yes, I wish I had tried the organ hand pumped!
Who built your triple clavichord s? I know of one builder in California, Gary Blaise. I am wondering if he was the builder. He has built a beautiful instrument for me and it looks very similar.
I enjoyed this very much! I wish to play on an organ that Bach too played on. This is truly a masterpiece. Can you play the organ in the Cathédrale de St. Valère in Switzerland???
Nick Reid: That’s a good idea. I’d like to see that too.
I played there back in 2000 but didn't think of a demo. I will return there next summer. Stay tuned for Sion and some Italian gems!
Cymbell Dopplet could be tuned Cymbals
Although giving us a idea of how the instrument sounds at the console we don’t get to hear the sound as would the congregation.
Possibly this recording was way too closely miced as the treble is harsh. The intrument or the recording?
I know nothing about organs. I'm guessing this a relatively small one with emphasis on tone quality. Some larger more modern organs sound like they're almost growling. Not for me I'm afraid
What was the original name of this church? It would never have been named after Bach during his lifetime, and he would have rejected such a name throughout eternity.
@The MIDI Bach Project They should consider going back to the original name. I suspect that this is what Bach himself would prefer.
Played with the Grobgedackt, is that an improvisation or a piece, if so, what piece?
No, it is an improvisation!
Balint Karosi Well nice improvisation then, thanks!
Reminds me of Pachelbel :)
Sir... at 14:07, what is the piece you are playing? Or is it an improvisation?
sowas kann nur einer fragen, der nur nach noten spielen kann....
Improvisation
What are the pieces you're playing as demos?
Improv
Arnstadt ❤
On my newest CZcams-Video i play on a baroque organ, too.
Did you play toccata en fugue ?
Heyyy i life in Arnstadt😅👌🏻
J. K. 😂 but you know what i mean😅
@@Mariiiiiiiiiiiius Hab dich ganz verstanden.
I thought it was FilthyFrank releasing a new song. Wasn't disapointed anyway.
Did J.S. Bach actually perform on this instrument? I noticed the prelude was composed in this city..
Yes! He was 18years old and this was his first job as an organist ! :)
Yes - he did! 18yrs old and this was his first job as an organist. :)
Yes - he did! He was 18yrs old and this was his first job as an organist! :)
I started piano when I was 9, began to play at church every sunday when I was 12. I later began organ lessons at 15 and immediately was hired as the music director of a First Pres. Church. I've played in church every Sunday for the past 7 years, and I only stopped this september because I attend college far from my home.
I'm so grateful for the musical experience God has put in my life, and I am thankful that I can be used as a blessing to others.
How bizarre that there is a Quint 6' but no 16' stop on the manuals!
But you can hear how the Quint 6' does produce a 16' sound. It may simply have been done for economical reasons.
@@einervonweitem Yes, that must be it. How common is it though?
Ici le 6' remplace le Quintatön16' habituel. L'effet ici est meilleur que prévu. Il est difficile de dire si cela se produit fréquemment car beaucoup d'anciens orgues n'existent plus. Je ne connais qu'un cas parallèle: l'orgue de 1763 dans le abbaye d'Ettal. Plus commun à la base de 8' est une référence de 16' par un rang de 5 1/3 ou 3 1/5 -tierce dans le dessus du Pleinjeu, comme dans l'orgue de 1748 à Bad Wimpfen. Aussi le 8'-Clicquot de Houdan a un 5 1/3 dans le dessus de la Fourniture.
@@glockengambe J'ai retrouvé la disposition de l'orgue d'Ettal mais il n'y a pas de 5 1/3' aux manuels (qui manquent aussi de 16') - www.kloster-ettal.de/kloster/basilika/
Ce qui me surprend n'est pas la présence d'un 5 1/3' manuel en soi, mais sa présence sur un manuel sans 16'.
Concernant les orgues classiques français, si je comprends bien, il n'y a jamais de rangs à 5 1/3', même dans le dessus, s'il n'y a pas de 16'. Sur les orgues qui ont les deux, on ne doit pas tirer un mixture comprenant un 5 1/3' sans tirer aussi un 16'.
Je ne sais pas cette règle s'applique aussi à l'école allemande. Mais l'orgue de ce vidéo suggérerait autrement.
@J. K. The "resultant" effect only works in the very low bass, e.g. the bottom octave of the 32' pitch. In the mid-range, you will clearly hear the 5 1/3' (try playing an open fifth on a. 8' principal stop!). Now, with lots of stops drawn, and especially with the pedals playing with real 16', the ears might be fooled. But that would be a naughty cheat with limited use! Also, even if a 16' resultant tone is wanted and space is an issue, one could have 5 1/3' pipes for the bottom octave, and switch to true 16' pipes above that (instead of staying at 5 1/3' for the full compass).
Regardless of my "inner" religion, I have a deep respect for sacred music from the earliest times. One thing I feel but cannot explain is the acoustics of the churches, especially the very old ones, built centuries before Le Corbusier and Oscar Niemeyer. I do not believe in "soul" in the religious sense ... but it does exist, it certainly exists!
When you say "old pipes" you should specifically state that these are pipes that Bach heard when He played the original version of this instrument. I can only imagine how it must have felt to sit in that organ loft and play this instrument. It's a good thing you didn't make any mistakes, or else a wig might have mysteriously materialized and struck you on the back...
Anyone who watches this video will know from where I got my internet name "bachkirche".
And sexy too. Doesn’t hurt.
Ya know, you'd think they'd tune prior to a video..............................................................
Lots of chiff!
Linnaeus Shecut - I quite like a lot of chiff!
@@gregfolland8452 The M. P Moeller organ on which I took most of my lessons when a teenager had a lieblich gedackt stop with good chiff. I really liked the sound. The pipes were wooden. The organ that replaced it was much larger, but instead of a lieblich gedackt, it had a metal gedackt. No more chiff!
Linnaeus Shecut - I’m so sorry to hear that. But I’m sure I have heard metal gedackts in the past that DO have a chiff? I have come across portative organs (used for accompanying vocal ensembles at live concerts) that used metal only for the pipework, but the 8ft still delivered a chiff. Unless I am misremembering, because it has been quite a long time since I have done this. Are you saying that only wooden stops are capable of chiffing?
@@gregfolland8452 I don't know if only the wooden pipes are capable of chiffing. I do know that when an 8 ft. diapason was moved up to 4 ft. without a new chest for the rank, they became windy, not chiffy. This was done to try to brighten the sound because the Baptist go carpeting crazy and dampen the sound within the church. Also, a 4 rank mixture was added. Even the new organ became subdued when cushions were added to the pews. This was done because the young people left the church and only the elderly were left. The older organ was moved to the Presbyterian church which was much smaller.