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Scientists have no explanation to creation other than big bang. God said let there be light and there was light spoken into existence in this physical realm like a big bang. Bible also tells us that this flesh tent we live in is an avatar to our spirit and soul. Unfortunately this world is fallen and the creation is groaning because of the sin that inherently creeped into all physical creation as result of the first humans disobedience. From the spirit realm Father God created a body free of sin for his Son Jesus Christ and sent him into the physical realm through the birth canal of woman. He walked this earth told us there’s a heavenly kingdom for our spirits to inherit after this flesh avatar dies. We killed him for that but those who believe what he said will inherit that kingdom. Pretty cool.
How would you prove robot has consciousness using empirical data. How do you prove to blind man what color red is using empirical data. In theory, robot can be programmed to move its hand when it touches hot surface. How do I know its having the experience of hot using test tube(Deduction/induction). The only thing i am certain of is that i have experience of hot. This experience can only come from entity that can already experience existence (Allah-one/indivisible/self-sufficient/unique/All-Loving infinite perfection).
If you cannot prove your own consciousness using “scientific method”, then how can you reject the existence of Perfect/infinite metaphysical being(Allah)? “Cogito ergo sum”( I think therefore I am) should be read as “cogito ergo est”(I think therefore Allah is).
The question is…Who/What created the Creator?
@@Av-vd3wk Well Creator by definition has to be a necessary being(-uncaused-Perfect/infinite/sufficient. Causal chain has to end at a Necessary being(Allah-the most exalted) upon which everything is contingent(creation) rely. Also, infinite regress is a huge problem.
i sub to alot of bollo in JT
His answer is rooted in a human understanding of simulation . This could very well just be a creation for the purpose of fun or for no purpose at all. Most likely a purpose beyond our current comprehension
But your answer is rooted in human understanding of fun
Like playing a game of Sim's?
... or for the purpose of survival.
@@kidkiw exactly 👍
Or maybe it is a Creation and not a simulation.
If you don't live every day in awe of the fact of existence itself (the fact that there is something rather than nothing) and consciousness, then you haven't given it enough thought.
I just appreciate what I have instead of questioning my existence
@@Noah73827 (2) Two differences of understandings of questions and appreciations of paths and sufferings, of prayer and thoughts. Lots of thoughts are happen as I am thinking…So YES
I am super appreciative but I question the shit out humble magpie existence in order to understand something that is not myself. Some necessity about how I find a better me that is not complacent with mere appreciation. Because appreciation is a word unto its on and that is where words stop and I begin amen
I always in awe because there is something,,
My words exactly: you just typed them. Bless you
@@Noah73827 I am happy that you are happy. I feel for those that have the opposite
The problem with the simulation is who created the simulation and how did they get here. It’s a never ending question.
That's what gets to me and gives me anxiety, its literally a never ending loop of why. I hate it lol
At some point there is the 'base reality' I.e. the necessary existence. This is essentially what we call God. But occams razor all the other in between "simulations" and conclude that there is only the creator and the creation.
@@comrade786z yes, but what caused a creator to even exist in the first place? That is what I am getting at, and even if we found that answer then what caused the thing that created the creator? It is never ending
The answer is 63.
If we don’t even know if there is a creator in the first place how can we assume they just spontaneously appear from nothing? How can something come from nothing if there isn’t a precursor in the first place to cause that? What caused the settings for a creator to begin to exist?
You beat the simulation by this: “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”
Matthew 6:19
Amen!
typical mental gymnastics of theists
If time is a construct of our Universe and God exists independently of that, then he does know what's gonna happen.
It isn't what "he knows will happen", he IS what will happen, it is not a concept to be grasped in the mind, because he is what is, therefore everything is always perfect, and is always.
Exactly. Logically God will be the creator of everything, there must be a starting point or else there's an infinite regression. Therefore if God is affected by time then he ain't God, time is.
@MikeDonaldson-eh2ru how is child cancer the universe? We are nothing but a small tiny spec in the universe. Also if by example of let me think main religions that convey a "One God" like Islam and Judaism it is not mentioned for this world to be a paradise or that God is the universe. Such religions do not explain God as an entity in everything rather having control and creation of everything, Judaism has a few stories that may contradict this but they still believein Monotheism. If he created it how could he be it too? He has power over it.
Right, God knows and wants to demonstrate something or maybe reveal some aspect of his being.
@@MikeDonaldson-eh2ru All bad things exist because of humans, not because of God. It's written, that humans choose to sin and disobey God. If you do things you are not supposed to do sin will happen. And that is against God's will and against our creation. War, diseases, and hunger are all there because humans are making them. Why would God interfere with our free will? He said that he would interfere in the end to save those who chose not to sin or destroy those who chose sin. And it's not what human eyes can see, it's something only God can see. Every soul is a composition of data and will that is unique to each individual.
Where do I submit my support ticket?
Could just be a huge art project by some 12 dimensional nerd.
😂
HAHAH
Hahaha I tell people something along these lines. They don't really like that idea.
Interesting, so are we actually hanging up on the universe’s refrigerator?😁
We are too young to understand it. You could be looking at the whole universe on that pixel in your smartphone’s display.
Lex: "Do you think God exists?"
Joe Rogan: "You want to smoke some Weed?"
Now i fully believe that he is from other planet and he is an alien after watching his religious views he is not theist not atheist not diest not agnostic but a alien his mindset is from aliens 😅
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he like drug
*DMT
You made this mid 40 guy rofl 😂😂😂😂
Here’s a thought: If there was a super being running a simulation it doesn’t know what is going to happen.
BUT if it runs it again with the same conditions the simulation is supposed to have similar predetermined results .
We’re not in a simulation. But rather in a cycle. As humans advance we will eventually become all knowing, when we pair with AI. We will then create a new universe since ours will die out and the cycle will continue.
The Newton's clockwork world model. Newton was born in 1642. You have quite a lot of catching up to do... Have you ever heard about quantum physics? _Heisenberg's quantum uncertainty principle?_ No? Nothing?
@@vmasing1965
This is so funny, cute even.
Predeterminism is the philosophy that all events of history, past, present and future, have been already decided or are already known. And cares very little about entitled people that need to feel superior. 🎩🤌
at a macro level, yes.. but at a micro level, no - meaning our tiny human lives can play out randomly - but the universe will play in a specific set of rules - fundamental physics and chemistry
Not necessarily. That's Chaos theory, the slightest change to a single parameter can lead to a vastly different outcome if the system is complex enough.
"I have not created jinn and men except to wordship me" 51:56
I think it's a test for ourselves, I think God definitely knows the outcome.
i think you're that god so if you believe you're testing yourself then that might be your truth
He does know and so can you in you read the book of Revelations in the bible.
There’s something I never understood is why would God test you? Does he have nothing better to do and why would God focus on humans? 😂
@@shaokhan4421 if i was a god, it would be fun to experiment with highly conscious creations which are more unpredictable, and see how they'd react to different environments, that would imply indeterminacy in our decisions, and therefore god not being omniscient, an omnipotent god should indeed find that idea quite stupid since he should know the outcome before even doing it, so unless his imagination is so powerful that it is this very reality that doesn't make sense to me
@@shaokhan4421 People created God by their own image
It seems that any imaginable answer to the what/who is God question is either an infinite loop or something we simply can't comprehend. And we're just unwilling to accept that something could come from nothing.
Nescience.
look into deism
Nothing is just nothing and somebody(God) must be here to create something out of nothing,which results to our universe and all things we know. An empty cup won't get full if you don't pour water in it. God is life and he poured the living(breath of life) into us so that we become who we are,a living human being.
I think the answer can't be reached intellectually, but must rather be experienced , deeply felt, as some sort of transcendental experience or consciousness.
This only applies if we assume the simulation creator has a same level of consciousness/understanding as humans do. Ideally on paper this makes sense to humans, but what if the simulation creator has wisdom or intelligence that our brains are not capable of understanding? Who are we to limit its possibilities? We know a fishbowl of info compared to the vast ocean and space our creator would have. Our attempt of understanding the 4th and 5th dimensions and quantum physics proves that we know nothing.
I cannot be more agree with you
It's like a bacteria trying to understand what's outside our planet and understanding what we do lol. We will never be able to comprehend existence. The flash of consciousness and the last breath of consciousness only exists at the beginning and shut down of life..not the end. Everything transcends through energy. Will we ever understand it.. no. Not in this life. And there is an obvious reason for that.
You are a phenomenal interviewer. You know exactly when to ask a question, exactly how much time to leave for the answer, its perfect.
A simulation implies that the human experience coexists outside of the "simulation." The simulation would then by definition be simulating a subset of the behavior of the people who made it. So, in other words, the simulation is a recreation of the species that created us, and is limited to some subset of behaviors that the creators exhibit. This then implies that humans lack some fundamental characteristic of the simulators. The most probable lacked characteristic is the ability to break through the simulation or exit it. If we assume WLOG and coherence of ability, this inability to "break through the simulation" is due to some "bound." The bound in my opinion is the bound on time and space. Thus it takes too much "time" and there is too much "space" to break out of the simulation. Because of entropy, errors do indeed happen within both our simulation and base reality, which then also means that time and space aren't closed systems.
TL;DR: We live in a simulation of either more simulations, or more universes.
This is interesting. Do you have any books to recommend?
@@shaunanigans3364I think he should write one himself
You are assuming that on a limited understanding of consciousness. The act of observing changing factors in the universe becomes very relevant. It could be that we are one with the “creators” of the simulation. Or we are existence itself and identity becomes multimodal. All of this is of course conjecture. And if we have no capacity to understand due to our “simulated” nature, then this simulation reasoning may not even suffice we would need a greater concept than reasoning itself that led to our current “simulation”.
This is my problem with simulation theory. Just because something exists doesn’t mean human like beings had to create it (especially with intention to understand as Elon Assumes). The logic and design of things can be beyond comprehension. But that doesn’t mean we aren’t connected to greater parts of ourselves and the universe, nor are we incapable of expanding our connection, awareness, and unawareness.
Since consciousness seems to be everyone’s gateway to this universe, it seems logical to seek to expand this and unlock the other multimodal natures within themselves because they likely exist, to gain greater understanding or, in lieu of understanding, a greater essence.
@@baileystark7629 I love proving that humans are the most sentient/conscious and most capable given reality's "rules." There's a popular experiment involving stimulation of neurons in a petri dish. Scientists noticed that the stimulation of neurons invoked pain, one distinctive factor of consciousness. This "pain" stimulation would cause the neurons to work faster, and electrical signaling speed increased. From this, we can generalize the idea of neural size and efficacy: the beings with the most neurons and efficacy are the most powerful. Humans top both of these, which point us towards harder questions like: what are the attributes of efficacy that we lack? One of those may be efficacy of physical travel (e.g. breaking out of the "simulation" or bounds of reality). One may also be which sentient being has more neurons and more efficacy than us? Because neither question has clear answers, we can deduce that either a) beings exist that have more ability than us or b) we are the most capable beings. b) couldn't work, because then we'd know why reality exists. If we follow a), we can begin to investigate the true nature of the universe itself. TL;DR: If you can prove that some set is itself a subset of every set, you can then deduce that humans' capabilities are a subset of some more capable being.
Excellent theory sir!
Maybe they're just benchmarking their latest graphic card.
I think the Supreme Self is running this simulation to know Himself. He designs and execute storylines which gives context for Him to manifest good meanings, He manifest himself by radiating meanings from the abstract realm. Our job is to navigate these meanings towards Him. We are at our core a self who doesn't know himself, in other words have forgotten himself, and by figuring out who we really are, through navigation of this hierarchy of meanings towards ultimate good, step by step we dismantle this illusion of individual self that we assume for our self, and we merge with the Supreme Self, becoming an observer of Him, a mere observer in background.
Why "him" ? And not " them" ?
@ 0:59
only for certain variables... think Dark City the movie, where they edit the parameters
... or, the "training" of A.I. models
if those A.I.s have some level of awareness of being edited, what does that do to their superEgo?
we really shouldn't care about the reason why god created us as he do whatever he wants , but we must be so certain that god is all knowing and he does not create things for nothing .
I might ask Elon the question: What if the being or intelligence (God for want of any other word) Does know the outcome of a simulation and is training the beings in the simulation to rise to the levels he has designed for the simulation that he expects. Is this a possibility?
it is the only possibility based on most religions. That's what they imply.
It is the case and God is real. By God,i mean 'Jesus'. What is the real definition of God? " God is a supreme being,creator of all things we know exists and is all mighty,as sometimes we Christians call him all-mighty God." Looking everything around us on earth and in the universe,it's obvious that it's not the aftermath of just random coincidence but the fruits of God. If we dig into the concept of a creator taking example on us human beings who are passionate about making stuff like cars,airplanes(not creating) and do everything to make our lives better,improve our health and so on,so was God purpose if we look at the universe where everything is where it should be without having planets colliding at each other and so many little things to consider(I would say endless details). The characteristics of a real God is one who is all-knowing,all powerful and all present. God(we talking about God the Father,Jesus and the Holy Spirit aka the Trinity) meets all of this. A real God is the one who can make the impossible to us become possible. God in the Bible shared many events to come in the last days or near future to his prophets in the Bible and if you do some research,you'll see that it's true and some scientists even agree to this. So many events in the Bible like Sodome and Gomorrah where God brings down fire from heaven to the city and destroy it is real and scientists have found similar site that fits perfectly. The human being himself is proof of God's existence. I respect all the religions in this world and their choice as God gave us free will but their is only one God that rules the entire universe and the things beyond our comprehension. If we were ruled by many God's,there should be uproar and fights. That leads us to Lucifer,now Satan who wanted to replace God and be in his place,the one who was cast out of heaven and tempted Adam and Eve to ate the forbidden,which has resulted the world we are in right now. And then,there's Jesus and he comes as the lamb,the perfect sacrifice for our sin in order for us by salvation to access eternal life. I can go on and on but God wants us to repent from our sins,accept that we do things wrongly and that we need him by our side in order to choose the correct patterns and two of the most crucial,to love him like he loves us and built a strong relationship with him. It's all up to us now.
whats point of training something when you have fully creative power ?
@@snake555510 the simulation process is the creative process. You do that to give the thing an experience as part of its existence rather than defining its existence as an end-state in iitself.
@@yoelbeche6213 To you it seems obvious that this world can't just be random; it has to be created, and that creator is god. But by the same logic, god is a million times more impressive and meaningful than we are, so HE can't just be random, he has to be created too. So god himself must be insignificant compared to whoever created god. But then you can keep applying the same logic forever: the creator of god can't just be random; HE must have been created too. So eventually, don't you have to get to the level where one of the creators IS just the way the universe is, and there's no further explanation? And if eventually you get to the point where there's some impressive being that just IS, and there's no explanation of where they came from, why can't that just be us?
Who created this? Who runs this? We all want to know who to complain to😂
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long F@@king queue....
It's whom, not "who." You're welcome. - Sheldon 🖖
I find it fascinating this idea of simulation theory. I’ll never understand the lengths we go to in order to avoid saying we believe in God, so we describe him as a computer.
He does exist, and he sent his begotten Son Jesus for our redemption.
God created humans to have Free Will. If there is anyone to blame it’s mankind itself.
I asked my dad at age 10, after my mother left him: “where did God come from?”. He answered, “no one knows, but I love you unconditionally”. Maybe you’ll understand that one day”. That’s all I have. I live each day as it is. I can’t comprehend others that go through torture, etc. They can’t be judged as I am. I extend my love and energy that you may have peace.
well the first thing you need to know about simulation itself.....is simply that the word in the English is just wonderful......and in the process of doing essays consistently......you will find that for the word to show up naturally in and of itself in essay flight in variation when it does......is truly enchanting at times.....
Whatever simulation this is, I have a feeling that the being running it doesn’t care whether we understand their motives. That puts us on their level, and I don’t think that’s ever been their intent.
I think "it" cares, or allows it, it just makes it extremely, excruciatingly difficult to get to that point.
If we are in a simulation…I don’t think there ever would be a chance for us to know our creators' motives.
There’s definitely a master plan
How do you know that?
I'm guessing insider information.
Vast probability matrix beyond our understanding.... what does it take for a given sentient entity to come about and overcome those developed needed yet with negative aspects of themselves to move beyond their world... up or out. How much intervention and at what points can be done to assist and still not break the paradigm of self-determination and free will/agency. As said earlier, if we make it out amongst the stars, how many dead civilizations will we find? Could our paradigm change if we make it up and not out? Does our task change?
that underlying masterpeace called balance between
"What does God need with a starship?"
Now i fully believe that he is from other planet and he is an alien after watching his religious views he is not theist not atheist not diest not agnostic but a alien his mindset is from aliens 😅
Maybe fun
YOU DOUBT ME!?
We are all human, should use our energy to make the world a better place instead of creating conflicts.
That's based on assumption everyone else is thinking like you (as in: trying to make the world a better place).
Which is clearly a delusional assumption. There's lots of people who want to burn it all down just for fun.
So you can see there's an internal contradiction in your proposal. If you really want to improve things, conflict is inevitable. One part of your idea cancels out the other part. No conflict as a goal only works when you don't care about anything and have given up any intention to improve anything.
@@vmasing1965 That is a very bleak mindset. Most people want the world to be a better place. I believe that, given enough time, we will align more and more in our core beliefs and values. The main issue is that people believe in different solutions to make the world better. Through dialog, we come together. What @MotherEarth573 said still holds, regardless of our differences.
@@florisr9 You simply cannot accept that people can have different goals, not different ways to achieve the same goal?
Sry, that's seriously delusional...
We know from scientific research that 3-5% of population are psychopaths. Doesn't matter how this fact makes you feel, it will not go away just because you don't feel happy about it.
There's no change in the amount of psychopaths. It keeps fluctuating between 3 and 5%.
Typical leftist reaction, btw. There's ideas inside my head, that's the base reality. The world around me, is secondary. If it doesn't line up with the narrative in my head I don't correct the narrative, I ignore the facts.
@@florisr9 It's bleak, but unfortunately it's accurate.
@@florisr9 Yup, esp corrupt politicians ''want''
if we live in a simulation, I want to talk to the manager. I’m deeply dissatisfied…
Creation is the result of evolution without any purpose or goal. However the thought that a creation when it dies makes sure the species is preserved is mindblowing
Or, if reality actually exists outside of this simulation. And we also exist in the outside reality. And we are being shown/witnessing/experiencing the simulation to understand something once it's all over. Kind of like being shown an evidence video in a courtroom.
I hope I don’t wake up feeling existential panic like this was all a bad trip. I’ve already had enough of those.
Yeah but different.😂
Watching this after Loki Season 2 Finale hits different
Lovely conversation ❤️
Since the creator has no beginning and an end.. the creator made this simulation to experience being finite AND all the variabilities It's thought of to experience..
👍 What God Wants by Neale Donald Walsch
There are a lot of assumptions in this answer that I personally wouldn't depend on them so much, if you take into consideration how many times we have been wrong in the past when we talk about physics. E.g Newton's laws etc etc
Newtons laws aren't wrong. They are valid for the regimes they're designed for. Just not the ultimate truth
@@kanishkchaturvedi1745 that is my point. What Elon Musk may say, can be true, just not the ultimate truth.
Got it. Thanks for taking the time to reply.@@ThriveUnboundMotivation
I think the main thing humanity doesn’t understand is time. Or what it is away from earth. Seems like maybe we have time here but that isn’t the case elsewhere
Difficult to disagree with , though the underlying point of simulation is that there is more to it than Spinoza’s idea.
I like those final remarks...
What if, the essence of matter being causality, whatever system beyond cause and effect would require it to essentially ‘play out’ its contradictions
... the first mention of this i know of would be zoroastrian philosophy, the dichotomy of good and evil , the idea that causality coincides with reason and reason coincides with the foundational principle of existence (the same as John 1:1)
He humanized the process and reasoning for executing a simulation.
This might not be the case.
I think guys like Elon are so brilliant at what they do, that they may lack the ability to really expand on ideas that humans just may not have the bandwidth and capability to fully conceptualize. People treat science like it's superior God, when science is nothing more than ultra primitive beings trying their very best to figure out what this enclosure is. People really have a hard time understanding that God really is THE end all be all. Fully capable, infinite in every way imaginable.
If you know the end state already, and can create it directly, then there's no reason to go through the experience.
In any case, the universe seems fully subject to consistent laws of physics - across entire galaxies.
We are byproducts of that system... One among countless.
@@Leto2ndAtreides Which basically proves creation. Human bandwidth restriction tries to rationalize everything you just said as being "too complex" for it to be purposeful creation, but in fact it pretty much proves 100% that whoever created the universe, created the human experience with unimaginably high purpose.
wouldn't the creators exist in an enclosure just like us? it seems to me as the base reality would be just likely ours or theirs. no way of knowing@@enthused7591
Maybe the creation isn't for the creator to learn but for us to learn
or to prepare us for what next after death
Simulations can also be run for the sake of running the simulations.
Some points of view may espouse that recursive simulations exist just for the sake of completingg the ladder
You are playing GTA 27, you just dont remember entering to be more immersive and you cannot leave until you complete the mission
Another video of Elon Musk and Lex Fridman being Elon Musk and Lex Fridman
@ElonMusk730....tele-gram goofy.
@ElonMusk730....tele-gramomg is this Elon?
Maybe this creation is not for the creator to learn but for us to learn and make us creators
We are creators with Free will but ultimately under the umbrella of the universal creator God himself
@@andrewfreeman88which god ?
@@theblackgods4699the God that created you to have Free will.
That is what the Quran says. The earthly life is for us to reach our full human potential, by mastering the core value systems - love, mercy, kindness etc. and mastering the sinful ones - Hatred, glutonny, lust, anger etc.
@@ML-jw8kfYes, I wish Islamic extremist would understand that killing is blasphemy to God.
That laugh 0:10
id like to chime in on 1 point- not all simulations are infinite and that isvwhere maybe E should give reconsideration
this is so great to hear this conversation👍💯
A baby’s laugh, when animals act different, breathtaking sunsets. There are just some substances that can NOT and will NEVER be duplicated, simulated, and fabricated in any imitation. Take this in guys, it’s life. We are finite, but so unimaginably cool
Life is forever in many different ways. I'm happy to be in the same one with you Elon. Maybe some day I'll be one with you .
Imagining this as a simulation is scary🤯
But why. Every scenario is just as pointless. Unless you believe in a fairy in the sky that will give us eternal life in paradise in order to cope, then I could see a simulation being scary.
But for everyone else, it's all the same. Simulation or not doesn't change the fact that your existence is pointless but can be quite enjoyable if you work hard and play hard. In the end when the lights go out, they stay out. Simulation or not.
Make the best of it regardless!
@@MikeC-nu7ty easy to say but what if the one on the other side hates or dumb software guy who has his prejudices🤯
@@MikeC-nu7tyNihilism
@jamessaltlife For some. I personally still care for other people and my golden rule is simply do whatever makes you happy as long as no one else gets hurt in the process.
It's not a simulation.
“Love is the answer and you know that for sure. Love is a flower; You gotta’ let it,gotta’ let it grow.”-JWL
I disagree... A simulation does not mean its an experiment as Elon suggests. A simulation can be an experience we are put through. There may be many simulations that we go through, and this life is just one. When you play avideo game you are engaging in a simulation but thats not an experiment.
That's players running an avatar in simulation. But the other thing is when you're the avatar that is operating on its own will in sinulation.
The problem is, you only have 1hp with no saves, unlike video games
Love the question, Elon here says "If we're in a simulation, the reason would be because the creators would want to see what happens - they don't know what happens." As someone who KNOWS God exists, as most people who know ANYTHING about chemistry and physics should unanimously agree with due to the sheer infinite amount of detail and design in the fabric of reality, I'd expand a little on that and say that WHAT the creators want to see, is whether each one of us as individuals is capable of choosing God and God's love and holiness over evil, anger and all the qualities that accompany evil. The singular thing we all have in common, even if you're an uncontacted tribe, is that every single one of us will be constantly exposed to both pure evil and absolute holiness, love and selflessness. We each have a short amount of time to align with one, or the other. God gives us very detailed instructions on how to go about this, and every single last instruction still holds up perfectly well today. God bless anyone reading this, you will find God if you haven't yet, in your own time. God is in fact the only purpose we have here, everything else we focus our energy on is a distraction and ultimately has no meaning.
Could you please elaborate your opinion about the purpose we are here?
Btw,I really appreciate your compliment.
My problem with this idea of the only purpose in life is to know God and choose good over evil is what is happening in Israel and Palestine, Ukraine and Russia- when you have a battle between good and evil, you just invite war. I would rather die than live in a universe where that is the only purpose or meaning.
@@audy2174 Great points. Unfortunately, the wars we see recently aren't super unique, and are representative of elites and leadership choosing the wrong path and involving thousands if not millions of people to fulfill political will. I agree that it's absolutely disgusting, but I disagree about rather dying than existing in the same world where it occurs. We have to be cognizant of that type of agenda. It's all based on ego and expansionism. Right in line with evil. I think what you mean is that it disgusts you as well, and thus - you've chosen good over that evil. Good start.
Thanks for giving me a new way of thinking to me.If you don’t mind, where are you from?Can we communicate through messenger, telegram or WhatsApp,please?
Or even your gmail id?To ask you any question?
Btw,pray for me.I want be with the path of good till my last breath. May Allah, guide and help us both.
Is there a higher plan when a caterpillar creates a cocoon, dissolves completely, and reforms as a butterfly? Is a consciousness directing that?
A good question would be what is the reason / explanation for a book that was revealed to mankind 1400 years ago without scientific contradictions to established science?
This simulation idea is so stupid. This is what happens when people don't study philosophy and theology, they start to reduce everything to the range of knowledge they have.
If a god can create a simulation of a universe this complex. He sure can make a real universe. I’m quite certain we live in the real world. A simulation is simpler than reality and our universe is infinitely complex beyond our understanding. Even the super smart Neil deGrasse Tyson in his interview with Piers Morgan says scientist only know 3% of all there is to know.
Spoiler alert: Tyson isn't super smart, he is smart at presenting things. Apparently bro came out as antiscience some months past
False, scientist in reality doesn't even know 0.1 % yet
No, universe is mostly empty and lifeness
There is a storyboard. Beginning, middle, and end. The part of the simulation no one knows because of free will is who will be doing what or what side they will be on based on the decisions they made by the time it is their end or THE end.
Maybe the answer to the question instead of a binary "yes" or "no", it may be the entire continuum between the yes or no. Can a human understand what is a continuum of yes and no? The closest word to that might be "to be". So "to be" gives a glimpse to the answer for the Mystery but also captures the essence of human experience. Meaning is merely the human justification for that experience.
I am of the mind that its not a "Simulation" but a "Dream" instead. It is as false as a simulation. But it is the making of the mind that is dreaming it.
So in a way, each soul dreams its own universe, and the experience becomes this matrix of intersecting dreams. The theme of the dream is "separateness".
The awaking is to realize the sameness and unity of each dreamer.
Have you read the 4 agreements?
@@journeywithin9155 I'm somewhat familiar with it though I did not specifically pick up that particular one. But I sure read lots of other spiritual books ..... my view now is more based on experiences of communication...... The book which resonates closest to this view for me is the course in miracles. It specifically states, the world is a dream and we are the dreamers of the dream :D
What are your thoughts about it ? in connection to the 4 agreements?
I've been searching for some kind of understanding of it all my whole life and basically all the answers point into this direction - from spiritual teachings and experiences, to psychedelic induced states and near death experiences - all basically point to this one thing - that we are god itself (or whatever you wanna call it), this field of consciousness being separated into different bodies (but only separate on the surface), basically role-playing our lives - usually for the purpose to experience and understand things like love, fear, happiness and sadness - and the entire spectrum of human experience.
It's more of a video game than a simulation. A dream is probably the best analogy - especially the fact that we all dream every night (more or less) and it's kinda poetic to think that the whole thing is hinted at us every night when we go to sleep.
I just hope that there will be some kind of "aha" moment when we reach the end - the idea that there is nothingness after death is too depressing for me. And from reading many near death experiences, so far it seems like this is all a part of something bigger and more beautiful than we can ever imagine with our human brains.
I guess we shall all see at the end (or we won't ^^)
@@LordEmilousI hear you brother, all the evidence points to this, even quantum mechanics. (the observer affecting the fabric of reality).
The second part of this discussion would be how to interact with the dream? is there an actual correct way and a misguided way?
I have some thoughts on that too :)
I really liked those ideas when I was a student. Existentialism, all this cool kids stuff.
In 1989, in broad daylight, fully awake, no drugs, no alcohol, nothing... there's suddenly God right next to me. Like 3-4 meters from me. Telepathic transmission, directly to my mind, no sound. I would say face to face, but there's no face, it's an energy field. Yet, in your mind's eye you can clearly see it like a pillar of smoke. Not exactly like smoke but this comparison is close enough.
Scares the shit out of me because the energy field is insanely absurdly powerful. It's prolly something you would feel if you would be teleported to the centre of the Milky Way, in the middle of the central cluster of all those massive stars and black holes.
I go instantly in panic, I'm certain I will burn to crisp, I'm trying to run but can't figure out where... and then I realize, wait, I'm still alive, and there's no pain. I'm confused about that but I calm down a little, I can think again -- and then this being speaks.
Anyway, that's not the important part. Something happens with reality.
Suppose you try to doubt the reality of everything. What's the last thing you would doubt? That you yourself are real, right? Anything else is really easy to have doubts about if they're real or not, you yourself, that's kinda hard.
When I stood there this centre of what's real, the focus point shifted from me to this being who stands in front of me. I can't logically explain any of it but at this moment I could doubt I exist no problem, but it was absolutely impossible to doubt this thing was real. It became the centre of reality, literally.
If someone would have told me this moment that I'm just a dream of this "pillar of smoke" in front of me, I would have totally believed it.
After that I lost interest in those oriental ideas. Doesn't compute. Yes it's a dream and we're one... but the orient got it backwards -- my experience tells me it's not us who's doing the dreaming.
Lex is the man….
Now i fully believe that he is from other planet and he is an alien after watching his religious views he is not theist not atheist not diest not agnostic but a alien his mindset is from aliens 😅
@@nothing26375haha
Maybe but not necessarily. People still watch movies they've seen before even though they know what happens. A movie is basically a simulation of images and sounds. So we could also all be characters in the movie of the universe where God knows what's going to happen but still watches for entertainment. Maybe each life is a movie that's set within the larger universe movie, with that life being the main character. Lol, who knows...
but then again, how those higher dimension beings come to existence? and what could they be learning from this simulation? Also, are they themselves being simulated too? by some even higher dimension stuff? its never ending saga of questions.
I don't think we are in a simulation for a second. We are simply humans trying to understand something that is not human in its understanding. It's like magic to us
what even is a simulation, our minds are "simulating" our reality in a sense, and on another level simulating different scenarios all the time to predict outcomes, the idea of the simulation is kinda like the idea of a god as a particular entity, impossible to know for sure, the same way we can't know what lies beyond our universe, infinitely more universe? something else? nothing? what would even be nothing anyways, an infinite void? a finite barrier of some sort? as you said, it's out of our grasp, but the idea of simulations on top of simulations isn't that strange to me given the strangeness of the whole thing
Why are you so sure? The math says it’s almost impossible we are not in a simulation
And even if their motive is exactly tied around learning, that does not by itself exclude the possibility of determinism.
We give different models plenty of initial characteristics and run them to see what comes out of it - that doesn't mean that these models have volition within them just because we are oblivious of their end state.
Do his rockets move voluntary just because SpaceX engineers don't know how they might react within a simulation?
The more Musk is putting himself under the spotlight, the more we discover holes in his reasoning, and how he retains confidence despite of them. It gives us a picture of how great minds can be equally insufficient when thinking about certain topics.
I don’t see how anyone can get around determinism. I’ve read books by neuroscientists who believe in free will. Their entire book presents evidence of determinism. They finish by just redefining free will into something that isn't free will.
@@MikeDonaldson-eh2ru I know what determinism is.
I don't think you and I are too far off from each other. As of now I don't hold with any great conviction that just because we cannot predict things at the quantum level that things are probabilistic and not deterministic. For me, I'm not sure if we have the right answer there. Maybe it is probabilistic or maybe we just haven't got deep enough to understand what's happening at that level. I'm still on the fence. Is it probabilistic (which doesn't offer free will, it only offers probability) or do we just not understand something.
Also, just because something is probabilistic at the quantum level, that doesn't mean things are probabilistic at the macro level. The motion of the moon is very deterministic, along with the tides, ext. It could be true that things are probabilistic at the quantum level, but that goes away at the macro level. This might explain why we don't see the moon in one place and then it jumps to another place.
Regardless, I see three option and one doesn't work. Free will exists. We can make free choices. This is obviously not true. Or, we are completely deterministic. Or we are probabilistic. I find deterministic more likely than probabilistic. I'm generally the same person from day to day. I consistently don't like cooked spinach. As of right now, there doesn't seem to be a probability that one morning I will like cooked spinach.
Probability at the quantum level doesn't get us free will. At best it gets us randomness. But then we need to explain the consistency of the macro level.
@@drewj4297 Very nicely put!
I've always had issue with the argument that existence of probability on the quantum level somehow should convince everyone that we have free will.
And it is perfectly reasonable to assume that what we deem random on the quantum level is in fact deterministically organized, albeit unbeknownst to our current level of understanding.
There was a quote in an article on free will that perfectly summarizes your argument
"It’s simply a matter of recognizing distinct domains of knowledge - of accepting that at certain levels of reductionism, some explanatory power vanishes while some is newly acquired".
Just because it's deterministic, doesn't mean that you can predict the future state without going through the simulation process.
Doers don't stop and think as often (trait industriousness/ minimal catecholamine reuptake in the prefrontal cortex possibly) . I think he has the intellect to consider objections to his reasoning, but he has to be prompted to do so.
I think the "simulation hypothesis" is ultimately a waste of time because there's no way to prove it, and even if it's true, what are you going to do about it except maybe stop caring because nothing is real. It's just a rehashing of Descartes and it's honestly not productive
that is the best argument for free will i’ve ever heard
I have thought about the sim theory before but it never crossed my mind that it’s being ran because they don’t know the outcome. Brilliant
on my side i always believe that ''god'' is like what us, human to computer. we become the 'god' by creating n running simulated machine/program for whatever intention we have on our mind(curiosity, technological advancement, cure for boredom, obsession, business opportunity, etc).
its kinda like we have the hierarchy of existence where theres some supreme being out there creating us n our world n then we, human create a machine/simulation. its like the chain of creator/creation n who knows, maybe our own creator have its own creator. its inception(the movie) but on the level of the existence.
of course super advanced beings would be running super advanced search functions
@@arep7771 There is only one God. He was not created.
Asking an engineer to explain God is like asking a pastor to give a lecture on Quantum physics. It usually doesn't end well 😅
Anybody interested in this topic should look up the episide with Stephen Wolfram on computational irreducibility. That pod blew my fucking mind
I think it is more noble to grant free will over a species than control them...even if it came to their own destruction
I believe that we are being observed. I know it sounds super paranoid, but somehow it makes sense to me.
I think it's a natural thing for a superior being to do and I believe there is something out there that is superior to us.
Just like we do with insects and other animals. They have no clue that we observe them and put them on TV for entertainment.
Earth seems like a super cool terrarium that we are not able to escape from. Everything around us is so insanely hostile. It's like we are put on here so they can be see how we are gonna evolve.
Life is crazy when you think about it.
except what about the entire universe?
If we are being observed then who is observing out observers?
It’s so f$cked up how we don’t really know what this is…what will our understanding be in a thousand more years ? If you will, because we didn’t know shit in the year 1223 (thousand years ago)
@MikeDonaldson-eh2ru we will never know the answer, but that's OK
This is what the Quran says.
"Blessed is He in whose hand is dominion, and He is over all things competent -
[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -."
(Quran Translation 67:1-3)
citations needed
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How do you know I exist?
You havent seen me.
You havent met me before.
My post is evidence of me.
My post is not me.
I typed in my post.
I produced my post.
What I produce is evidence of me.
creation is evidence of the Creator which He not only creates but also sustains, provides, has Power over.
You do not see me but you see evidence of me (my post).
We do not see God (our Creator) but we see evidence of Him (His creation) all around us.
I had a purpose when I made my post.
The purpose of our creation in this limited life in this limited world is with our Creator.
Anybody, if I have a weird yet useful idea about space travel how would I connect to Elon Musk? although since we still have to terraform like Mars, the budgeting will suck lol
The Universe would have to be smaller than its simulator.
So it means there running this simulation just to know whats going to happen so they deal with the real shit now😅......And we a just left there messed up😅😅😅....Imagine they say something like if it's really messed up dont bother yourself will created another simulation its not a big deal"😅😅
the whole existance is indeed a 'simulation'... but not for God because He already knows the output.. it's made for us humans because we have free will, to reflect on ourselves and our choices... to prove ourselves if we choose to live life based on God's parameters(true life) or on satan's parameters(rebelion)... May God bless y'all in Jesus Name, Amen!
this has nothing to do with religion. God and religion are different things
Take 5-MEO-DMT and then come back to me on which type of god you meet or if it's biblically accurate. That'll be your understanding which will still differ but have similarities to other people's. No point asking others to think like you
especially when we don't know the answer*
but i didn't mention religion... i was talking about a life lived according to God's view on reality.... this ain't religion, it's the Truth(Jesus) that will set you free!@@fleerwwarzone673
that's a way to encounter demons and not God/Jesus... don't try@@sewertails3500
2:48 nice theory .😅
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The simulation could be for recreational reasons also, and even if it is a simulation we live in, it could be based on either deterministic or free will. Simulating a universe to see what happens e.g. is valid both in a free will and a deterministic world, because in both cases the outcome is still unknown before simulating the events that lead to it. Consciousness and/or free will could be phenomena that are programmed in to the simulation, or just natrual biproducts complex systems like brains. There is no way of knowing which of these alternatives are true. We could live in a simulation or outside of one, with or without free will. But the beauty to focus on is that we ourselves are the universe expressing itself. Manifestations of stochastic events, powered by the pulling force of evolution, resulting in beautiful consciousnesses able to observe the world and experience sensations. What more could you ask for? Sending out love to everyone reading this ❤❤❤ enjoy life and be greatful for the things you get to experience in this life because you are a miracle yourself.
Romans 1:20: "For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable."
Can't be him or a some invisible man, if it considered as ''superior'' being
God reveals himself beyond the laws of physics.
In what ways?
How do you know that?
Hw??
They're likely a Christian, believing in 1 Cor. 2:14. But I'm only guessing, perhaps.
If you believe our purpose is to be observers of the universe and we are each microcosms of said universe then it makes sense that the creator also has a purpose based on observation
Pure and simple love is the answer to life. Now live through the beautiful being of life.
“The human mind has an adequate knowledge of the eternal and infinite essence of God.” Spinoza’s god? Really? Have you been in checkout at Walmart recently, Elon? 😂
im going with....he hasnt...
If Musk ever has an original thought, it would die of loneliness.
Force in Star Wars words
Lex works really hard and I do respect it, his got plenty of big achievements but need to work on his social skills abit more.
In Short, what we perceive as reality is actually an advanced, hyper-realistic computer simulation, possibly overseen by a higher being (God). - Simulation Theory
No, computation but no god 🙂
Yes
Well, essentially true. How can we know the feeling of love, hurt, seperation, reunion... without actually experiencing it on behalf of ourself? The source of our universe wants to enrich the experience of life, thus creating lives. Not all the lives are in forms of human beings or the like, which makes many people thought that we're probably the only intelligence species in the universe. In fact, human beings are not the only species that live on Earth, there are others... Some of which live underground, some probably live in a force field (like ones in Wakanda) so that they haven't been discovered yet. Not to mention other planets in our universe.. :D
Determinism and being in a simulation aren’t mutually exclusive. Just because you don’t know what will happen in the simulation doesn’t mean there are unlimited outcomes. The parameters are set beforehand and therefore it will only play out as it was programmed to play out. You don’t say that the rocket in your simulation has free will, it’s simply reacting to the parameters you’ve set.
Just because you don’t know what will happen doesn’t mean the variables and parameters you’ve set have agency.
I Believe in God
Most convincing argument for God.
Which one?
God already knows how the simulation ends. Read the bible
Good for you! Just don't force your beliefs on other people and insert them into science classes as true.
@@humanperson8418 Yeah right.
God knows whats going to happen in the future.
How do you know that?
Why is Lex's Side Burns at such a Crazy Angle ?
is this Self Imposed or Fashion
Oh lord. This is mindbending
[Quran 67:2]˹He is the One˺ Who created death and life in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving.
[Quran 38:27] We have not created the heavens and earth and everything in between without purpose-as the disbelievers think. So woe to the disbelievers because of the Fire!
God was created to control the sheep.
No matter the answer, no one knows and it may never be known till death.
@@lazyman2451 It's pretty clear for people who don't want to be controlled. They try to confuse you with questions like that. It's never been clearer for the majority.
@@nicksmith9lol what controll
I think you’re referring to religion being used to “control the sheep”. Religion just provides moral objectivity within somebody, and that’s it. If you were to look at the teachings of Christianity for example there’s nothing that holds anyone to it, and you’re able to come and go as you please. Other religions, Islam for example, doesn’t allow this. If you were to leave islam in a Muslim state, and not do it privately you’d be forced to lie, or be exiled, and possibly killed depending on how you publicly denounce it.
Like you are trying?
A creation and a simulation are different concepts.
One don't know anything until one knows oneself... is... Base.... Reality!🎉
One of the key components of consciousness is creativity. Whether it arises from evolution or basic survival, as our consciousness develops and we become more aware, creativity transforms into art.
If you could paint like one of the great painters, you would paint.
If you could sculpt statues like a great sculptor, you would carve great sculptures.
If you could create a universe, you would create a universe.
Perhaps the universe is just a masterpiece, a piece of art observed by the creator.
We all long for a sense of purpose. Why are we here? What is our purpose? Perhaps our creator felt the same. Perhaps we are a byproduct of the creator’s artistic expression and its need to find purpose for its existence.
What is the point of a simulation?
Is it only for the ones presumably, running it? (Gathering data? For what purpose?)
Or could it also be, for those, involved in it?
Is it meaningless to those, within the 'simulation' ? Are we simply 'guinea pigs' in an experiment that is truly beyond our comprehension?
If it isn't.
What would be the purpose, for those within it, to experience this .... 'simulation'?
Is 'simulation' even the best term?
Questions .......
I'm VERY curious what LEX and ELON might think of 'The Seth Material'. (archived at Yale / Sterling Memorial Library in CT)
In regards to the alternate map of 'reality' put forth in that work I mean.
It may be flexible through dimensions of understanding like how a spinning top stops violently.