Thanks for the video. I plan to dip my toe in the water as 365 backup was a planned project. The simplicity of being built into 365 admin portal is very appealing.
The pricing is insane vs 3rd party providers. The website says 15c/GB, given a user can have 1TB of OneDrive (minimum) and 50GB mailbox for Business Premium that is $157 per month if that user uses all their capacity. Let me know if I have misunderstood the pricing?
It's so exciting to pay a ludicrous amount of money to get that native backup going! /s 1TB is 150$/month... Just get a Synology NAS for a one time cost of about 500$ for a 4TB RAID1 setup (with Active Backup for MS365 in continous mode). And pair that with Synology C2 cloud backup (runs every hour & with deduplication) for $8,50/1TB/month.. Will save you thousands of dollars. Heck, setup another $500 NAS (on a different location) and use the immutable snapshots as an extra layer of defence. 4TB = 7200 a year vs. 500 + 408/year
I gave up on any useful Microsoft backup a long time ago I use Macrium Reflect and backups work great and so does the restore process including any files or the entire OS if needed
@@peterrisingM365 It works really well. I have installed the option at start up to be able too boot to Windows or boot to the Macrium Rescue option without needing any USB drives, etc. It also was easy to build a backup schedule that does a full back up once a week and a daily differential backup.
Great video Peter, many thanks for taking time out to put it together, it's good to see the preview in action. Must say I'm disappointed with the offering in its current state. 2 main reasons: Firstly, it resides in the Tenant. Secondly, it's "all or nothing", i.e. what if I only want to restore a single file/folder/email? In it's current form, it doesn't stack up to my current preferred solution, SkyKick.
Thanks John, appreciate that. I do often wonder about the wish to have the backup stored elsewhere. This is a common ask, but I'm unsure of the benefits. For example, if (heaven forbid) M365 went down for a week, where exactly would you restore all your content to with the service not available, and what would you prioritise for restore between Exchange, SharePoint, Teams etc. The granularity of restore options I maybe understand more. Perhaps that will come in time. 😊
Firstly, M365 isnt a singular platform stack, it's a regionally distributed platform to which you're anchored against when you sign up to your tenancy i.e. West Europe, South East Australia etc. Therefore, the M365 platform is mostly impacted by regional infrastructure issues and code release, as is par for the course being the platform is provided by that given region. Secondly, the reason why you need backups kept on separate infrastructure and/or a separate platform as this prevents lateral movement of infiltrators and attackers to said backups, i.e. if 'they' have compromised a GA account within your primary tenancy they would also have access to delete any backups. Meaning you're at the mercy of their demands. If said backups were in another tenancy with separate access then you have a chance to restore all backups to a third tenancy to restore services and data.
Frankly.. it is long overdue. As always there are concerns with having backups etc all under you general Microsoft Tenant if there is a compromise of account, or say bad actor internally, even if there are protections of deletion. We are a fan of using a 3rd party where you have an external backup not dependent on your main Microsoft Tenant.
It's a great first start from Microsoft. Curious how many veaam, druva customers will switch with this early version or when eventually. Are there any details about where the content is stored as in Azure Backup you can select a region? I presume the schedule cannot be adjusted to a custom one? Thanks for sharing!
Businesses that would have an interest in this technology are most likely already invested in a preexisting alternative. Many of them also prefer perpetual license ownership over the Klaus Schwab WEF "You'll own nothing and be happy" ideology manifesting as monthly subscriptions paid annually in advance and prefer to keep support/maintenance agreements separate from capital expenditures so it is clear the total cost of ownership versus actual ownership. Manufacturers such as VEEAM and ArcServe-StorageCraft who by their own virtue have already beat microsoft in releasing solutions for some time, have very dedicated support channels and have certified training - an investment in technical support personnel both within the client's organizations as well as managed service providers. I expect these manufacturers will react accordingly to protect their market shares and the investment placed in their education as well as work relationships they have with the manufacturer's technical support channels. So businesses will consider the capital cost, the impact to operations changing over and the risks of changing from platforms they already trust - just for the sake of having one more technology bearing the "microsoft" brand? They are likely to wait sometime to see how the microsoft offering pans out in the market before they consider jumping on a product with no performance history. To think that backup prevents ransomware attacks is absurd - backups are the proactive action for recovery after an event consisting of multiple sets (live production, on-site, off-site and air-gapped). If you want to prevent viruses then you're looking at products like: • Actifile - Data Privacy Platform - discover, classify, quantify, and place a value on private data. • ConnectSecure - Vulnerability and Compliance Platform - close your doors and windows to help keep hackers out. • Xcitium - Zero Dwell Platform - helping to reduce attacker dwell time to zero. There are many companies that do not trust their data to the cloud and realize even with the best of measures and practices there is still a risk delegating storage of sensitive information on infrastructure beyond their control as well as those who have operations that require 10GBE to the desktop and 20/40/100GBE to the server internally, consequentially continue to invest in on-premises infrastructure. There are also many types of companies that have legislative requirements addressing the secure storage of information with geographical limitations. Whatever prudent interest this offering musters, I expect it will be in a test domain for thorough evaluation before it is considered to be rolled out into production environments. Not many IT managers/CIOs/CEOs want to risk their career on a reckless decision based on fallacious notions. Microsoft brand may get the product looked at but it will be by its own merit if it sticks. The existing technologies have solutions that cover on premise servers on various operating systems and technical staff are already familiar with and/or certified in the managing those technologies.
Interesting. We use Backupify and it gives you the option to restore individual files from a Sharepoint site, which is what we need for standard restores when a user has lost a specific file, rather than restoring the whole site. Hopefully this feature will be added later
I dunno, I find keeping all backups in one silo a but troubling. On the other hand it provides much better accountability. If you backup your 365 stuff outside the silo to something like Synology, then auditing who is looking at emails, for example, becomes impossible. Gotta trust your IT department.
I watched this video in the hope of better understanding if the need for a backup solution is worth the cost. (I also watched your "Do you need a backup for Microsoft 365?" video.) If you just consider OneDrive and Sharepoint, what significant advantages does this offer over the built-in restoring a OneDrive or Sharepoint site to a prior date features? Other than the obvious limitations (30 days vs. 1 year) and administrative convenience of restoring a large number of sites at the same time, wouldn't the built-in restore features work just as effectively in a ransomware situation?
Please watch out for pricing here, its mega expensive when we calculated the costs to back our estate, almost 4 times the price of other 3rd party solutions.
Really wanted to see the tiered storage features. I guess they aren't ready yet. We have sites we need to "Archive" but still let a user dip in if they need to. We want to make our storage cheaper :)
Hello, can you help me how to download more sites from sharepoint for backup to locally hard drive, when i start via onedrive app or via web browser everything starts to throttle... is there any solution for backup from sharepoint to local hard drive?
Thank you very much. Do you happen to know if this would backup plans in the new Microsoft planner? Could I use Power Automate to automatically add new user sites and new users each day?
@@peterrisingM365 That is fair it is still in preview. I can add it under a Teams tab. Do you know if files store in teams' tabs are part of the SharePoint backup? I think I saw you had a video that considered team, sharepoint and OneDrive that explained how they related to each other. I will check that out.
Hmm, so practically feature that was supposed to be there for years and yet is overprized to 3rd party solution? Secondly, don't wanna be hater but it's still not covering structural Dev/Powerusers changes/fails that we would like to fix, if I understand it correctly there is not selective/partial restore, means i need to overwrite whole site to state from days ago, that means all updates on documents are gone cause of that, if I choose to restore to new SC that will not help to repair the structure as there is again no supported option to replicate it. Of course Teams/O365 GR layouts ... were just skipped because this is storage backup. I was hoping for better solution but as much need to work with MS tech, expectations were just like that. Maybe in next xyz years.
Sorry if it was not what you were looking for. My channel is exclusively focused on M365 from a Business / Enterprise perspective. Are you looking for backup options for a personal M365 account?@@davidmorgan6900
Microsoft's constant notification to buy their office 365 subscription in recent times prompted me to get a Synology NAS. The only thing I have to say to Microsoft is, "Thankyou for showing me the way!"
After the latest security blunder with Russian hackers being able to read everyone's email, is anyone actually eager to put anything important up there? I'm personally looking for reasonable alternatives to cut the final cord with MS.
Microsoft 365 is as useless and as much a ripoff as almost all Microsoft software. I am so sick and tired of being forced to use Microsoft software on my work laptop. It is absolutely useless and gets worse with each update. It seems that Microsoft can’t create software that actually works for more than a week without requiring updates. I am stunned that they are still in business when they are so incompetent.
Thanks for the video. I plan to dip my toe in the water as 365 backup was a planned project. The simplicity of being built into 365 admin portal is very appealing.
It's my pleasure. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
The pricing is insane vs 3rd party providers. The website says 15c/GB, given a user can have 1TB of OneDrive (minimum) and 50GB mailbox for Business Premium that is $157 per month if that user uses all their capacity. Let me know if I have misunderstood the pricing?
You have not misunderstood. I'm planning a follow up video to compare features and pricing with other vendors. Please stay tuned. 😊
Great video@@peterrisingM365, Well worth a feature comparison with Commvault SaaS.
This is why Microsoft is now worth 3 trillion.
Surely they forgot a 0 in that pricing model. $0.015!!! But yes that pricing is insane.
@@peterrisingM365 It would be great to compare it with VEAM and Acronis backup for MS365 🤩
It's so exciting to pay a ludicrous amount of money to get that native backup going! /s
1TB is 150$/month... Just get a Synology NAS for a one time cost of about 500$ for a 4TB RAID1 setup (with Active Backup for MS365 in continous mode). And pair that with Synology C2 cloud backup (runs every hour & with deduplication) for $8,50/1TB/month.. Will save you thousands of dollars.
Heck, setup another $500 NAS (on a different location) and use the immutable snapshots as an extra layer of defence.
4TB = 7200 a year vs. 500 + 408/year
Seeing a lot of love for Synology in recent comments.
I gave up on any useful Microsoft backup a long time ago
I use Macrium Reflect and backups work great and so does the restore process including any files or the entire OS if needed
I’ve not come across that one.
@@peterrisingM365 It works really well. I have installed the option at start up to be able too boot to Windows or boot to the Macrium Rescue option without needing any USB drives, etc. It also was easy to build a backup schedule that does a full back up once a week and a daily differential backup.
Great video Peter, many thanks for taking time out to put it together, it's good to see the preview in action. Must say I'm disappointed with the offering in its current state. 2 main reasons: Firstly, it resides in the Tenant. Secondly, it's "all or nothing", i.e. what if I only want to restore a single file/folder/email? In it's current form, it doesn't stack up to my current preferred solution, SkyKick.
Thanks John, appreciate that.
I do often wonder about the wish to have the backup stored elsewhere. This is a common ask, but I'm unsure of the benefits.
For example, if (heaven forbid) M365 went down for a week, where exactly would you restore all your content to with the service not available, and what would you prioritise for restore between Exchange, SharePoint, Teams etc.
The granularity of restore options I maybe understand more. Perhaps that will come in time. 😊
Firstly, M365 isnt a singular platform stack, it's a regionally distributed platform to which you're anchored against when you sign up to your tenancy i.e. West Europe, South East Australia etc. Therefore, the M365 platform is mostly impacted by regional infrastructure issues and code release, as is par for the course being the platform is provided by that given region. Secondly, the reason why you need backups kept on separate infrastructure and/or a separate platform as this prevents lateral movement of infiltrators and attackers to said backups, i.e. if 'they' have compromised a GA account within your primary tenancy they would also have access to delete any backups. Meaning you're at the mercy of their demands. If said backups were in another tenancy with separate access then you have a chance to restore all backups to a third tenancy to restore services and data.
Fantastic video, thank you for the walkthrough.
You are very welcome indeed!
Dynamic and automated addition of new sites etc is a must. This can not be a manual addition, it will never fly.
I do agree with that.
Frankly.. it is long overdue. As always there are concerns with having backups etc all under you general Microsoft Tenant if there is a compromise of account, or say bad actor internally, even if there are protections of deletion.
We are a fan of using a 3rd party where you have an external backup not dependent on your main Microsoft Tenant.
Yes, a very good point, will be interesting to see where MS takes this.
It's a great first start from Microsoft. Curious how many veaam, druva customers will switch with this early version or when eventually. Are there any details about where the content is stored as in Azure Backup you can select a region? I presume the schedule cannot be adjusted to a custom one? Thanks for sharing!
Good question.
All it says so far is it’s stored “in your tenant” I think is what it said in the article. No to a custom schedule so far but maybe it will come.
@@peterrisingM365 Thanks Peter for your reply. 👍
@@the_fatshark Always a pleasure! 😊
Businesses that would have an interest in this technology are most likely already invested in a preexisting alternative.
Many of them also prefer perpetual license ownership over the Klaus Schwab WEF "You'll own nothing and be happy" ideology manifesting as monthly subscriptions paid annually in advance and prefer to keep support/maintenance agreements separate from capital expenditures so it is clear the total cost of ownership versus actual ownership.
Manufacturers such as VEEAM and ArcServe-StorageCraft who by their own virtue have already beat microsoft in releasing solutions for some time, have very dedicated support channels and have certified training - an investment in technical support personnel both within the client's organizations as well as managed service providers.
I expect these manufacturers will react accordingly to protect their market shares and the investment placed in their education as well as work relationships they have with the manufacturer's technical support channels.
So businesses will consider the capital cost, the impact to operations changing over and the risks of changing from platforms they already trust - just for the sake of having one more technology bearing the "microsoft" brand? They are likely to wait sometime to see how the microsoft offering pans out in the market before they consider jumping on a product with no performance history.
To think that backup prevents ransomware attacks is absurd - backups are the proactive action for recovery after an event consisting of multiple sets (live production, on-site, off-site and air-gapped). If you want to prevent viruses then you're looking at products like:
• Actifile - Data Privacy Platform - discover, classify, quantify, and place a value on private data.
• ConnectSecure - Vulnerability and Compliance Platform - close your doors and windows to help keep hackers out.
• Xcitium - Zero Dwell Platform - helping to reduce attacker dwell time to zero.
There are many companies that do not trust their data to the cloud and realize even with the best of measures and practices there is still a risk delegating storage of sensitive information on infrastructure beyond their control as well as those who have operations that require 10GBE to the desktop and 20/40/100GBE to the server internally, consequentially continue to invest in on-premises infrastructure. There are also many types of companies that have legislative requirements addressing the secure storage of information with geographical limitations.
Whatever prudent interest this offering musters, I expect it will be in a test domain for thorough evaluation before it is considered to be rolled out into production environments. Not many IT managers/CIOs/CEOs want to risk their career on a reckless decision based on fallacious notions. Microsoft brand may get the product looked at but it will be by its own merit if it sticks.
The existing technologies have solutions that cover on premise servers on various operating systems and technical staff are already familiar with and/or certified in the managing those technologies.
Only 1 year and no backup for teams and so on? i think i stick with my 3rd party :)
Yes I think most people will agree with that.
Interesting. We use Backupify and it gives you the option to restore individual files from a Sharepoint site, which is what we need for standard restores when a user has lost a specific file, rather than restoring the whole site. Hopefully this feature will be added later
Yes I hope so too. I think it will probably be added.
@@peterrisingM365 MS already said it's coming
I use my synology to backup 150 mailboxes and it does an awesome job
Nice, not one I had heard of. Will have to check it out!
@peterrisingM365 it's free backups local and has a webgui you can even allow users to log into thier own portals for recovery.
I dunno, I find keeping all backups in one silo a but troubling. On the other hand it provides much better accountability. If you backup your 365 stuff outside the silo to something like Synology, then auditing who is looking at emails, for example, becomes impossible. Gotta trust your IT department.
Lots of arguments for and against for sure. The debate will run and run.
Great video Peter !!!! Thanks
How does the backup of an email account other than my own work? In the same way, could the administrator access any email account?
Thank you Chris.
@@chrisbattiston Yes the admin can backup and restore any account.
I watched this video in the hope of better understanding if the need for a backup solution is worth the cost. (I also watched your "Do you need a backup for Microsoft 365?" video.) If you just consider OneDrive and Sharepoint, what significant advantages does this offer over the built-in restoring a OneDrive or Sharepoint site to a prior date features? Other than the obvious limitations (30 days vs. 1 year) and administrative convenience of restoring a large number of sites at the same time, wouldn't the built-in restore features work just as effectively in a ransomware situation?
Thanks for the feedback. I'm preparing another video with more of the detail you are hopefully looking for. Please stay tuned! 😊
Hello, there is no way to change default value about backup frequency and backup retention please ?
Not yet to my knowledge no. This may come later.
can you take backups for dynamics 365
Not with this tool to the best of my knowledge so far.
Please watch out for pricing here, its mega expensive when we calculated the costs to back our estate, almost 4 times the price of other 3rd party solutions.
Definitely prudent to do due diligence on the cost comparison and features set
Really wanted to see the tiered storage features. I guess they aren't ready yet. We have sites we need to "Archive" but still let a user dip in if they need to. We want to make our storage cheaper :)
There is the preview Archive feature that I covered in another video not long ago. Did you check out that video also?
Hello, can you help me how to download more sites from sharepoint for backup to locally hard drive, when i start via onedrive app or via web browser everything starts to throttle... is there any solution for backup from sharepoint to local hard drive?
How much data are you trying to download?
My only concern is keeping backup within the MS Tenant. But I guess we are in the teething phase.
Yes very much so. I think we can expect to see this develop and change a fair bit.
nice video and nice new feature from Microsoft. I do however still like the idea that our customers O365 backup are from a 3rd party.
Thanks, and yes I agree - I think the 3rd parties don't have much to worry about yet.
This backup service is free or paid? If backup configured where it will be store? How to restore the data ?
This is all covered in the video. It's a paid service - links to the costs are in the description.
Thank you very much. Do you happen to know if this would backup plans in the new Microsoft planner? Could I use Power Automate to automatically add new user sites and new users each day?
Not sure. I’ve not looked at the new Planner as yet. If they are part of SharePoint sites then maybe this will be possible
@@peterrisingM365 That is fair it is still in preview. I can add it under a Teams tab. Do you know if files store in teams' tabs are part of the SharePoint backup? I think I saw you had a video that considered team, sharepoint and OneDrive that explained how they related to each other. I will check that out.
Hmm, so practically feature that was supposed to be there for years and yet is overprized to 3rd party solution? Secondly, don't wanna be hater but it's still not covering structural Dev/Powerusers changes/fails that we would like to fix, if I understand it correctly there is not selective/partial restore, means i need to overwrite whole site to state from days ago, that means all updates on documents are gone cause of that, if I choose to restore to new SC that will not help to repair the structure as there is again no supported option to replicate it. Of course Teams/O365 GR layouts ... were just skipped because this is storage backup. I was hoping for better solution but as much need to work with MS tech, expectations were just like that. Maybe in next xyz years.
It is in preview and it’s taken this long for MS to get into this space so I wouldn’t expect too much too quick.
Has anyone done a direct price comparison for Veeam's offering vs this?
I have not done this yet. I may look to put something together if I get the chance.
Our company weighed our options and found Zmanda, especially considering our budget. It's been reliable for us so far.
Also, frequency and retention must be adjustable. But it is still beta, lets see what happens.
Yeah it has some way to go I think and who knows how long it will be in preview.
memories of windows storage server
Ah happy days eh. 😊
thank you Dumbledore
Sherbet Lemon! 👍🏻
only works with business account?
Yes you need business licences to use this.
@@peterrisingM365 perhaps good idea to start video with this info
Sorry if it was not what you were looking for. My channel is exclusively focused on M365 from a Business / Enterprise perspective. Are you looking for backup options for a personal M365 account?@@davidmorgan6900
The cost calculator is really bad...
Must admit I found it not the best.
Microsoft's constant notification to buy their office 365 subscription in recent times prompted me to get a Synology NAS.
The only thing I have to say to Microsoft is, "Thankyou for showing me the way!"
Nice, I will have to check that out.
After the latest security blunder with Russian hackers being able to read everyone's email, is anyone actually eager to put anything important up there? I'm personally looking for reasonable alternatives to cut the final cord with MS.
This story is going to run and run for sure.
Microsoft 365 is as useless and as much a ripoff as almost all Microsoft software. I am so sick and tired of being forced to use Microsoft software on my work laptop. It is absolutely useless and gets worse with each update. It seems that Microsoft can’t create software that actually works for more than a week without requiring updates. I am stunned that they are still in business when they are so incompetent.
Perhaps you could ask for a Chromebook instead. 🤷🏻♂️
@@peterrisingM365 I’d rather eat my own face rather than buy a chromebook 😂😂
Amateurish.
What, me or the backup? 😂