Kenyon Martin claims James Harden is ranked ABOVE Dwyane Wade!
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Great show and segment. Ok, now it's always something to say about all-time shooting guards this segment has legs and can be a huge discussion. James Harden and D-Wade, no contest here, Harden's flaws are simply too many to overlook, no defense, no hustle, one-way scoring, over-dribbling, and playoff meltdown. D-Wade was dynamic, finishing around the rim, above average mid-range game, defensive presence. MJ, Kobe, D-Wade, Iverson, West, Gervin, Miller, Drexler, McGrady and Harden. Honorable Mentions, Klay Thompson, Richmond, and Ray Allen.
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Dwade
5. Clyde Drexler
6. AI
7. Harden
8. George Gervin
9. Ray Allen
10. Reggie Miller
I like your list except I would harden at most ten. What has he done at all to lead his team. Every player above him including Reggie Miller led there team to finals.
Wade was a 2 way monster and had the potential to rivial some of the best ever before injuries debilitated his career.
Paul George over harden is ludicrous
You think so? 🤔
@@Mandownsports pg13 is exactly what his name says, for kids. Dude overrated. He should be the 3rd option at best. His teams fail because they expect him to be Kobe when he really Jamal Crawford. JC nice but he not a #1 or a #2. Same thing for pg13. You'll never win with him as one of your main guys. He needs to be 3rd option or 6th man. Talent level, yes he can do some things but skill and execution, he ass. Ive never been sold on him. Even in Indiana. I always thought they succeeded because they were in the east. Harden, at least can be a #1, even if his style of play is selfish and he gets away with a lot of bs, you can count on him to be him. You never know what you're going to get out of PG tho.
@@lonesoljazangetsu1157 🤣🤣🤣
1. MJ
2. Jerry West
3. Kobe
4. Clyde
5. John havlicek
6. David Thompson
7. Wade
8. Adrian Dantley
9. Klay Thompson
10. Mitch Richmond
Dominique said Mitch Richmond was 5'8". Lmao. She needs to study harder. Lol.
Lol she had someone else in mind
That water boy LT joke was hilarious 😆
@@KrispyKleenex365 boy was it ever! Lol
What is going through Martin’s head to even utter that nonsensical statement smh 🤦♂️
Another example on just because you played in the NBA doesn’t mean/make your opinion valid
There is no way Harden is above Wade!
Is that second hand foolishness from Arenas.
LMAO!!! Love the standup with the sports commentary!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Was Brandon Roy better before injury
@@DagodCapo-wm7zw yes
Brandon Roy was dynamic, skilled and could attack at will would of been higher on this list had he not had knee issues.
@@Mandownsports better than who? Wade?
KMart said what? He got Harden above DWade? He fell for that fraud?!
👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽
Saying they changed the rules because of him is crazy, they changed the rules because of him, right, but not becuase of him being skilled or dominant in a good fashion but for being flat out a cheater 🤦♂️
And the fact that he folds in the playoffs miserably is enough by itself to put him out of the top-10 SG period.
I agree he takes advantage of the rules. He is a product of the NBA changing the rules to make scoring easier.
Jerry West is a PG. Elgin Baylor was his SG, who could also be in this T5 debate..
George Gervin was better and more impactful … one of the first “big” 6’8 shooting guards.
Gervin is the first player I liked, first player I emulated as a kid.
The reason why the Spurs are one of the two rooting interest I have in NBA teams.
Quick story, my pops, was a life time Bullets fan, when they left Bmore, they would still play 8 or so games a year at the Old Baltimore Civic Center.
Well, the very first NBA I saw live as a kid the Washington Bullets vs San Antonio Spurs.
they wore them shiny silver uni’s and Ice had on some Nike Dunks.
Dude was so smooth, and his handle was way better than guys remember, and he could SHOOT… even this was two years before the 3pt line, and the Ice Man was shooting it from 25ft consistently…
Beautiful game, and it was more than just finger rolls.
I’ve been telling younger fans, a younger Ice played similar to SGA… the way they moved offensively, and sneaky good handles… George was a better distance shooter.
Pistol Pete.
and another ONE. you forget !!!!
Sidney Moncrief
Top 10 SG Imo
1. MJ
2.Kobe
3. JWest
4. Dwade
5. Iverson
6.Harden
7.Ice Man
8.Clyde the Glide
9.Ray Allen
10.Earl the Pearl
If we talking just Skills and not career wise or stats
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3.JWest
4. A I
5.Ice Man
6. Clyde the Glide
7. Vince Carter
8. Paul George
9. Ray Allen
10.Earl the Pearl
11. Mitch Richmond
12. Ginobli
13.Pistol Pete
14. Joe Dumars
15. Sam Jones
16. Sky walker Thompson
17.Dennis Johnson
18.Klay Thompson
19.Demar Derozan
20. Harden
Having Iverson over Drexler and Ray Allen is borderline insane
@@KrispyKleenex365go see a doctor
@@fullmetal1766 I respect that
You are arguably correct..
Can we agree that Clyde the glide clears Ray Allen in everything except Rings & 3 pt shooting ability???
If you agree
Then you gotta respect that Allen Iverson clears Clyde Drexler in everything except Playoff success, 1 ring and Rebs and defensive ability but its not a huge gap
Allen Iverson is superior in every thing else
Iverson has
an MVP
4x scoring titles
3x steal titles
Better scorer
Better performances
Clyde got
1 ring
Better rebounder
Better shot blocker
More playoff success (due to his teams)
And another thing ppl don't talk about is how cold young Ray Jesus Shuttleworth Allen was. He was another level during those Buck/Sonic yrs
I don't know if ppl realize how much of your game you have to sacrifice in order to win at a high level. Empty stats are coo for barbershop debates but they don't lead to much success.
Very true
5' 8"? 😂😂😂😂 Bless her lil heart.
Well, since Kenyon Martin is a player and not a media member, his statement must be objectively TRUE! Now, my opinion, on the other hand, as a member of the CZcams Consumption Society of Dunderheaded Americans, must be objectively FALSE!
😂😂😂 This is a joke Harden and Miller are not a convo
Mitch Richmond was a 6/5 220 beast my advice is look up the Jordan vs Richmond duels
Omar Epps in the Program
Omar got so many
How come Clyde Drexler is never mentioned when talking about top 5 shooting guards? DISRESPECTFUL
One of the few with a quad double
Allen Houston over harden is diabolically insane.
Not really. Harden plays half of the game of basketball
Wade was a better winner, but offensively, Harden is better! Wade was definitely a better defender and more athletic..
Wade was better offensively he just didn't shoot alot of 3s and he played in a league he couldn't travel and carry
Nah Harden had a gimmicky offensive game that worked well for him in the regular season.
Wade was a FAR better offensive player than Harden especially in the playoffs.
Same assist and point numbers on WAY better efficiency and without dominating the hell out of the ball.
Harden was taking 11 threes a game shooting 32%, that is HORRIFIC.
Wade was a "better winner" because he played a MUCH superior brand of basketball.
Honorable mentions:
Mitch Richmond
Brandon Roy
Ray Allen
Vince Carter
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Latrell didn’t play that long
James harden isn't top 10 at shooting guard and iverson is at the bottom of the top 10 this argument also exposes reggie miller has no business being in the hall of fame
Have we forgot Ray Allen?
~ I never been a fan of Harden’s game after he left OKC…
He’s top 5 lefty shooting guards, but guys who don’t play defense… and didn’t win any championships… difficult to say top 5.
Top 5 lefty SG’s
1) Ginobli
2) Chris Mullin
3) Cuttino Mobley
4) James Harden
5) Anthony Peeler
Had it been all time lefty guards.
Harden barely makes my top 10…
Tiny Archibald
Kenny Anderson
Nick Van Exel
Throw Kukoc in for shade against Harden…
Then he’d be tied with Sarunas Marciulionis 😂😂😂😂
Suffice to say Harden has never been one of my favorites and “slightly” overrated…
He capitalized on the rule changes, helped his game tremendously…
He was highly successful, can’t argue the “stats”…
But I’m like Mel, I don’t judge a player solely on stats and accolades.
@@mobrown1198 dang! Lol
I'm mad it took y'all so long to mention ray allen
@@lonesoljazangetsu1157 yeah it did take too long lol 😆
IDC what position you put him in harden ain't top 5 at any position
Dominique is all I’m saying 🥰
How is the traveling choke artist above dwade,no degense one of the kings of flop and cuffing the other players arm while driving glad they through that out, he does has a jumper but he only plays one sife of the ball and never gets it done in big games...drose, penny , mitch , drexler, were better than harden
Damn they tryna cancel Mel 😂
Lol
Just off defense he's not top 5 y'all
@@DagodCapo-wm7zw I agree
K mart smokin on something
DONT EVER TALK ABOUT ONE OF IF NOT THE GREATEST LINE BACKER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. LT.
Does Dominique have TikTok
Please tell me y’all was playing when y’all said Manu and Gervin better than Harden. Y’all showing y’all age on this subject 😂
Nope. David Thompson better than Harden too
@@MandownsportsYou gotta stop trolling man cuz Ain’t no way you believe that 😂.
Basketball is a competitive sport who you play against should mean something, and James Harden has hasn’t played against anyone
I agree with K-Mart Wade couldn't shoot at all almost half his career. He never developed a reliable 3 point shot & only improved his middy after winning with Shaq .
@@26pctfrom3 ain't no way
@@Mandownsports Without Shaq & Lebron Wade's whole career is much less impressive. On any other team he would've been required to shoot more to open the floor for others & once he proved in effective he would've been a journeyman the rest of his career trying to help contending teams with his one proven skill getting downhill. Wade owes his whole legacy to those guy's...!!!!
Wade was a better mid range shooter then lebron if you didn't watch why reply
@@fullmetal1766 Neither were spectacular Midrange shooters until later in their career so that's not saying much...!
@@fullmetal1766 Because the o9-10 Heat were a Midrange shooting team that didn't prioritize getting to the basket over everything else, even when Shaq was there they weren't a great shooting team untill Ray Allen arrived...!!!!!
~ Man James Harden not better than Cuttino Mobley…
I MEAN THAT.
nor Chris Mullin.
Definitely NOT Ginobli..
Harden not even the best left handed shooting guard 😂
Pause grandad
People act like they forgot who D Wade was, and what he was becoming, before Bron and Bosh teamed up with him. Harden best season may have been better, but career wise no fuckin way 😂
Agreed
Rashard mccants thought harden and tmac was better than wade. Kenyon thinks wade is number 3
Wade clears harden what yall praise harden on offense I can do the same for Wade on defense not even close. Give me Wade he won’t quit or not show up
Mj
Kobe
West
Maravich
Wade
Airbud 🤣🤣
James harden is not and I repeat not a top five guard. Shooting guard 1 jordan 2 Black Mamba 3 the answer 4 wade 5 mcgrady. Harden has not led nor helped anybody get to a finals nor deep in playoffs. No disrespect but MVP of this league based on scoring,( because if you watch harden he don't play defense)means all most nothing. All it means is you scored a lot of points in a nba focused on scoring. They changed the rules to make scoring easier.
I was rooting for the Heat team D Wade led to an underdog victory against the Mavs only for the Mavs to return the favor once LeBron was in the picture. 😊 I was rooting for the Heat again, this time as the favorite in that one. Wade's a proven champion as both a first & second option. Harden's never done it & never will. He's a great talent. Yeah. He's had a bit of bad luck. But he's never looked as focused or committed to winning D Wade was, nor has he been as consistently good in the playoffs. Peace.
Who are these guys Vince Carter better than harden what league y'all was watching Joe Dumars better than harden this sound like pure hate
Welp, that "take" explains Kenyon's entire career.
"Gil's Arena's" produces this idiocy targeting serious content creators, for clicks and Lebron's groupies
Lol
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Latrell didn’t play that long