Kenyon Martin claims James Harden is ranked ABOVE Dwyane Wade!

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Komentáře • 92

  • @Poky-65
    @Poky-65 Před 2 měsíci +9

    Great show and segment. Ok, now it's always something to say about all-time shooting guards this segment has legs and can be a huge discussion. James Harden and D-Wade, no contest here, Harden's flaws are simply too many to overlook, no defense, no hustle, one-way scoring, over-dribbling, and playoff meltdown. D-Wade was dynamic, finishing around the rim, above average mid-range game, defensive presence. MJ, Kobe, D-Wade, Iverson, West, Gervin, Miller, Drexler, McGrady and Harden. Honorable Mentions, Klay Thompson, Richmond, and Ray Allen.

  • @Carvis23
    @Carvis23 Před 2 měsíci +6

    1. MJ
    2. Kobe
    3. West
    4. Dwade
    5. Clyde Drexler
    6. AI
    7. Harden
    8. George Gervin
    9. Ray Allen
    10. Reggie Miller

    • @user-ck5pe7bj9d
      @user-ck5pe7bj9d Před 2 měsíci

      I like your list except I would harden at most ten. What has he done at all to lead his team. Every player above him including Reggie Miller led there team to finals.

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Wade was a 2 way monster and had the potential to rivial some of the best ever before injuries debilitated his career.

  • @lonesoljazangetsu1157
    @lonesoljazangetsu1157 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Paul George over harden is ludicrous

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci

      You think so? 🤔

    • @lonesoljazangetsu1157
      @lonesoljazangetsu1157 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Mandownsports pg13 is exactly what his name says, for kids. Dude overrated. He should be the 3rd option at best. His teams fail because they expect him to be Kobe when he really Jamal Crawford. JC nice but he not a #1 or a #2. Same thing for pg13. You'll never win with him as one of your main guys. He needs to be 3rd option or 6th man. Talent level, yes he can do some things but skill and execution, he ass. Ive never been sold on him. Even in Indiana. I always thought they succeeded because they were in the east. Harden, at least can be a #1, even if his style of play is selfish and he gets away with a lot of bs, you can count on him to be him. You never know what you're going to get out of PG tho.

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@lonesoljazangetsu1157 🤣🤣🤣

  • @dayenite31
    @dayenite31 Před 11 hodinami +1

    1. MJ
    2. Jerry West
    3. Kobe
    4. Clyde
    5. John havlicek
    6. David Thompson
    7. Wade
    8. Adrian Dantley
    9. Klay Thompson
    10. Mitch Richmond

  • @j-us-t_be-in-g
    @j-us-t_be-in-g Před 2 měsíci +7

    Dominique said Mitch Richmond was 5'8". Lmao. She needs to study harder. Lol.

  • @KrispyKleenex365
    @KrispyKleenex365 Před 2 měsíci +4

    That water boy LT joke was hilarious 😆

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@KrispyKleenex365 boy was it ever! Lol

  • @Josh-sk5xd
    @Josh-sk5xd Před 2 měsíci +3

    What is going through Martin’s head to even utter that nonsensical statement smh 🤦‍♂️
    Another example on just because you played in the NBA doesn’t mean/make your opinion valid

    • @Josh-sk5xd
      @Josh-sk5xd Před 2 měsíci +2

      There is no way Harden is above Wade!

    • @JAS30411
      @JAS30411 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Is that second hand foolishness from Arenas.

  • @ericc5556
    @ericc5556 Před 2 měsíci +3

    LMAO!!! Love the standup with the sports commentary!!! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @DagodCapo-wm7zw
    @DagodCapo-wm7zw Před 2 měsíci +6

    Was Brandon Roy better before injury

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@DagodCapo-wm7zw yes

    • @Poky-65
      @Poky-65 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Brandon Roy was dynamic, skilled and could attack at will would of been higher on this list had he not had knee issues.

    • @PeterBagjuice
      @PeterBagjuice Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@Mandownsports better than who? Wade?

  • @jayt-mac2074
    @jayt-mac2074 Před 2 měsíci +2

    KMart said what? He got Harden above DWade? He fell for that fraud?!
    👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

  • @Fixundfertig1
    @Fixundfertig1 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Saying they changed the rules because of him is crazy, they changed the rules because of him, right, but not becuase of him being skilled or dominant in a good fashion but for being flat out a cheater 🤦‍♂️
    And the fact that he folds in the playoffs miserably is enough by itself to put him out of the top-10 SG period.

    • @user-ck5pe7bj9d
      @user-ck5pe7bj9d Před 2 měsíci +1

      I agree he takes advantage of the rules. He is a product of the NBA changing the rules to make scoring easier.

  • @perrynlenoir4080
    @perrynlenoir4080 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Jerry West is a PG. Elgin Baylor was his SG, who could also be in this T5 debate..

  • @mobrown1198
    @mobrown1198 Před 2 měsíci +1

    George Gervin was better and more impactful … one of the first “big” 6’8 shooting guards.
    Gervin is the first player I liked, first player I emulated as a kid.
    The reason why the Spurs are one of the two rooting interest I have in NBA teams.
    Quick story, my pops, was a life time Bullets fan, when they left Bmore, they would still play 8 or so games a year at the Old Baltimore Civic Center.
    Well, the very first NBA I saw live as a kid the Washington Bullets vs San Antonio Spurs.
    they wore them shiny silver uni’s and Ice had on some Nike Dunks.
    Dude was so smooth, and his handle was way better than guys remember, and he could SHOOT… even this was two years before the 3pt line, and the Ice Man was shooting it from 25ft consistently…
    Beautiful game, and it was more than just finger rolls.
    I’ve been telling younger fans, a younger Ice played similar to SGA… the way they moved offensively, and sneaky good handles… George was a better distance shooter.
    Pistol Pete.
    and another ONE. you forget !!!!
    Sidney Moncrief

  • @KrispyKleenex365
    @KrispyKleenex365 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Top 10 SG Imo
    1. MJ
    2.Kobe
    3. JWest
    4. Dwade
    5. Iverson
    6.Harden
    7.Ice Man
    8.Clyde the Glide
    9.Ray Allen
    10.Earl the Pearl

    • @KrispyKleenex365
      @KrispyKleenex365 Před 2 měsíci +2

      If we talking just Skills and not career wise or stats
      1. MJ
      2. Kobe
      3.JWest
      4. A I
      5.Ice Man
      6. Clyde the Glide
      7. Vince Carter
      8. Paul George
      9. Ray Allen
      10.Earl the Pearl
      11. Mitch Richmond
      12. Ginobli
      13.Pistol Pete
      14. Joe Dumars
      15. Sam Jones
      16. Sky walker Thompson
      17.Dennis Johnson
      18.Klay Thompson
      19.Demar Derozan
      20. Harden

    • @fullmetal1766
      @fullmetal1766 Před 2 měsíci

      Having Iverson over Drexler and Ray Allen is borderline insane

    • @fullmetal1766
      @fullmetal1766 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@KrispyKleenex365go see a doctor

    • @KrispyKleenex365
      @KrispyKleenex365 Před 2 měsíci

      @@fullmetal1766 I respect that
      You are arguably correct..
      Can we agree that Clyde the glide clears Ray Allen in everything except Rings & 3 pt shooting ability???
      If you agree
      Then you gotta respect that Allen Iverson clears Clyde Drexler in everything except Playoff success, 1 ring and Rebs and defensive ability but its not a huge gap
      Allen Iverson is superior in every thing else

    • @KrispyKleenex365
      @KrispyKleenex365 Před 2 měsíci

      Iverson has
      an MVP
      4x scoring titles
      3x steal titles
      Better scorer
      Better performances
      Clyde got
      1 ring
      Better rebounder
      Better shot blocker
      More playoff success (due to his teams)

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +2

    And another thing ppl don't talk about is how cold young Ray Jesus Shuttleworth Allen was. He was another level during those Buck/Sonic yrs

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I don't know if ppl realize how much of your game you have to sacrifice in order to win at a high level. Empty stats are coo for barbershop debates but they don't lead to much success.

  • @nakho3550
    @nakho3550 Před 2 měsíci +2

    5' 8"? 😂😂😂😂 Bless her lil heart.

  • @ScottRachelson777
    @ScottRachelson777 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Well, since Kenyon Martin is a player and not a media member, his statement must be objectively TRUE! Now, my opinion, on the other hand, as a member of the CZcams Consumption Society of Dunderheaded Americans, must be objectively FALSE!

  • @ayopodcast6242
    @ayopodcast6242 Před 2 měsíci +2

    😂😂😂 This is a joke Harden and Miller are not a convo

  • @raingeart1
    @raingeart1 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Mitch Richmond was a 6/5 220 beast my advice is look up the Jordan vs Richmond duels

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Omar Epps in the Program

  • @saje1988
    @saje1988 Před 2 měsíci +1

    How come Clyde Drexler is never mentioned when talking about top 5 shooting guards? DISRESPECTFUL

  • @theezyp3966
    @theezyp3966 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Allen Houston over harden is diabolically insane.

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Not really. Harden plays half of the game of basketball

  • @dontaerussell3397
    @dontaerussell3397 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Wade was a better winner, but offensively, Harden is better! Wade was definitely a better defender and more athletic..

    • @fullmetal1766
      @fullmetal1766 Před 2 měsíci

      Wade was better offensively he just didn't shoot alot of 3s and he played in a league he couldn't travel and carry

    • @PeterBagjuice
      @PeterBagjuice Před 2 měsíci

      Nah Harden had a gimmicky offensive game that worked well for him in the regular season.
      Wade was a FAR better offensive player than Harden especially in the playoffs.
      Same assist and point numbers on WAY better efficiency and without dominating the hell out of the ball.
      Harden was taking 11 threes a game shooting 32%, that is HORRIFIC.
      Wade was a "better winner" because he played a MUCH superior brand of basketball.

  • @rapgodreloaded9259
    @rapgodreloaded9259 Před 2 měsíci

    Honorable mentions:
    Mitch Richmond
    Brandon Roy
    Ray Allen
    Vince Carter

  • @barnardkemp9693
    @barnardkemp9693 Před 2 měsíci +1

    🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Latrell didn’t play that long

  • @fullmetal1766
    @fullmetal1766 Před 2 měsíci +1

    James harden isn't top 10 at shooting guard and iverson is at the bottom of the top 10 this argument also exposes reggie miller has no business being in the hall of fame

  • @love8055
    @love8055 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Have we forgot Ray Allen?

  • @mobrown1198
    @mobrown1198 Před 2 měsíci +1

    ~ I never been a fan of Harden’s game after he left OKC…
    He’s top 5 lefty shooting guards, but guys who don’t play defense… and didn’t win any championships… difficult to say top 5.
    Top 5 lefty SG’s
    1) Ginobli
    2) Chris Mullin
    3) Cuttino Mobley
    4) James Harden
    5) Anthony Peeler
    Had it been all time lefty guards.
    Harden barely makes my top 10…
    Tiny Archibald
    Kenny Anderson
    Nick Van Exel
    Throw Kukoc in for shade against Harden…
    Then he’d be tied with Sarunas Marciulionis 😂😂😂😂
    Suffice to say Harden has never been one of my favorites and “slightly” overrated…
    He capitalized on the rule changes, helped his game tremendously…
    He was highly successful, can’t argue the “stats”…
    But I’m like Mel, I don’t judge a player solely on stats and accolades.

  • @lonesoljazangetsu1157
    @lonesoljazangetsu1157 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I'm mad it took y'all so long to mention ray allen

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@lonesoljazangetsu1157 yeah it did take too long lol 😆

  • @lonesoljazangetsu1157
    @lonesoljazangetsu1157 Před 2 měsíci +3

    IDC what position you put him in harden ain't top 5 at any position

  • @deandregriffin9552
    @deandregriffin9552 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Dominique is all I’m saying 🥰

  • @old-school2196
    @old-school2196 Před 2 měsíci +2

    How is the traveling choke artist above dwade,no degense one of the kings of flop and cuffing the other players arm while driving glad they through that out, he does has a jumper but he only plays one sife of the ball and never gets it done in big games...drose, penny , mitch , drexler, were better than harden

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Damn they tryna cancel Mel 😂

  • @DagodCapo-wm7zw
    @DagodCapo-wm7zw Před 2 měsíci +2

    Just off defense he's not top 5 y'all

  • @RightHandKam
    @RightHandKam Před 6 dny +1

    K mart smokin on something

  • @user-ck5pe7bj9d
    @user-ck5pe7bj9d Před 2 měsíci

    DONT EVER TALK ABOUT ONE OF IF NOT THE GREATEST LINE BACKER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. LT.

  • @deandregriffin9552
    @deandregriffin9552 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Does Dominique have TikTok

  • @W.orld.Breaker
    @W.orld.Breaker Před 2 měsíci +1

    Please tell me y’all was playing when y’all said Manu and Gervin better than Harden. Y’all showing y’all age on this subject 😂

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Nope. David Thompson better than Harden too

    • @W.orld.Breaker
      @W.orld.Breaker Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@MandownsportsYou gotta stop trolling man cuz Ain’t no way you believe that 😂.

  • @barnardkemp9693
    @barnardkemp9693 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Basketball is a competitive sport who you play against should mean something, and James Harden has hasn’t played against anyone

  • @26pctfrom3
    @26pctfrom3 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I agree with K-Mart Wade couldn't shoot at all almost half his career. He never developed a reliable 3 point shot & only improved his middy after winning with Shaq .

    • @Mandownsports
      @Mandownsports  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@26pctfrom3 ain't no way

    • @26pctfrom3
      @26pctfrom3 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Mandownsports Without Shaq & Lebron Wade's whole career is much less impressive. On any other team he would've been required to shoot more to open the floor for others & once he proved in effective he would've been a journeyman the rest of his career trying to help contending teams with his one proven skill getting downhill. Wade owes his whole legacy to those guy's...!!!!

    • @fullmetal1766
      @fullmetal1766 Před 2 měsíci

      Wade was a better mid range shooter then lebron if you didn't watch why reply

    • @26pctfrom3
      @26pctfrom3 Před 2 měsíci

      @@fullmetal1766 Neither were spectacular Midrange shooters until later in their career so that's not saying much...!

    • @26pctfrom3
      @26pctfrom3 Před 2 měsíci

      @@fullmetal1766 Because the o9-10 Heat were a Midrange shooting team that didn't prioritize getting to the basket over everything else, even when Shaq was there they weren't a great shooting team untill Ray Allen arrived...!!!!!

  • @mobrown1198
    @mobrown1198 Před 2 měsíci +1

    ~ Man James Harden not better than Cuttino Mobley…
    I MEAN THAT.
    nor Chris Mullin.
    Definitely NOT Ginobli..
    Harden not even the best left handed shooting guard 😂

  • @DagodCapo-wm7zw
    @DagodCapo-wm7zw Před 2 měsíci +2

    Pause grandad

  • @jayp576
    @jayp576 Před 2 měsíci +1

    People act like they forgot who D Wade was, and what he was becoming, before Bron and Bosh teamed up with him. Harden best season may have been better, but career wise no fuckin way 😂

  • @certifiedchaos4643
    @certifiedchaos4643 Před 2 měsíci

    Rashard mccants thought harden and tmac was better than wade. Kenyon thinks wade is number 3

  • @StreetmoneyRae13
    @StreetmoneyRae13 Před 2 měsíci

    Wade clears harden what yall praise harden on offense I can do the same for Wade on defense not even close. Give me Wade he won’t quit or not show up

  • @granthill24
    @granthill24 Před 2 měsíci

    Mj
    Kobe
    West
    Maravich
    Wade

  • @PeterBagjuice
    @PeterBagjuice Před 2 měsíci

    Airbud 🤣🤣

  • @user-ck5pe7bj9d
    @user-ck5pe7bj9d Před 2 měsíci

    James harden is not and I repeat not a top five guard. Shooting guard 1 jordan 2 Black Mamba 3 the answer 4 wade 5 mcgrady. Harden has not led nor helped anybody get to a finals nor deep in playoffs. No disrespect but MVP of this league based on scoring,( because if you watch harden he don't play defense)means all most nothing. All it means is you scored a lot of points in a nba focused on scoring. They changed the rules to make scoring easier.

  • @MB_TOB
    @MB_TOB Před 2 měsíci +1

    I was rooting for the Heat team D Wade led to an underdog victory against the Mavs only for the Mavs to return the favor once LeBron was in the picture. 😊 I was rooting for the Heat again, this time as the favorite in that one. Wade's a proven champion as both a first & second option. Harden's never done it & never will. He's a great talent. Yeah. He's had a bit of bad luck. But he's never looked as focused or committed to winning D Wade was, nor has he been as consistently good in the playoffs. Peace.

  • @dpurnell16
    @dpurnell16 Před 2 měsíci

    Who are these guys Vince Carter better than harden what league y'all was watching Joe Dumars better than harden this sound like pure hate

  • @oops_ups1de_your_head
    @oops_ups1de_your_head Před 2 měsíci

    Welp, that "take" explains Kenyon's entire career.
    "Gil's Arena's" produces this idiocy targeting serious content creators, for clicks and Lebron's groupies

  • @barnardkemp9693
    @barnardkemp9693 Před 2 měsíci +1

    🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Latrell didn’t play that long