Neil deGrasse Tyson's Thoughts on Transgenderism
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2021
- I ask Neil deGrasse Tyson to share his thoughts on the science behind transgenderism.
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#BenShapiro #NeildeGrasseTyson #DailyWire #Transgenderism
Neil sitting there like “bruh I’m an astrophysicist, why am I here” 😭😭😭
Time stamp? I must have missed that part
@@mekaibowen8262 he didn’t actually say it. it’s just a joke about how his field is so different than what he’s talking about
@@user-pj5yc5rs8k ohh. Haha. I just thought quotes meant you were quoting something 😂
@@mekaibowen8262 quotation marks can be used for fiction and non fictional sentences, the way to tell the difference is the context before or after the said quote so next time just read a bit more and you won’t have an issue🙂
Woke as fuck
Why do you give a shit about most conservative issues
Producer: How close should you and the guest be sitting?
Ben: Yes.
Neil D: [This must be the sport where babies are made]
If one or both parties are vaxxed as close as both parties feel comfortable. Free country lets keep it that way.
I don’t get it?. Is this a joke?
Oh your the type of person who comments on videos like-(plot twist) lame!!… be original instead of regurgitation of meme comments.
@D C, okay, at least they're not frotting
Neil is saying "Don't obsess on transgenderism and don't use science to fuel radical ideas" but trying to not say it out loud
Yeah I don't get all the fuss tbh about gender and shit I have never seen in my life a single transgender
I've seen some they do exist@@ioakimantonis4687
@@ioakimantonis4687 that is exactly because of the structure of society especially in the west, where the people identifying out of their assigned gender, are still more at risk to bully, su1cides, social ostracisation, etc. because because we see this in research that approximately 1 to 2% of population on average identifies as non-binary. For example, in the culture of India, transgender community has been living with their own identity since centuries and hence they have the highest population of trans people, and by that extension LGBTQ community… in the whole world. now this does not mean that the LGBT folks are the happiest there or they don’t face discrimination in terms of laws and the non-LGBT people, THEY STILL DO.. it’s just that at least they have come terms to the fact that so and so phenomenon exists.
@@ioakimantonis4687I’ve met 3 or 4. My cousin is transgender and seeing her obsess on wanting to be male is pretty sad to be honest. She’s had healthy breasts removed by the national healthcare service, she’s now depressed and won’t leave her room or engage with the family. If a family member is obsessed with drugs or transgender issues the outcomes seem similar. For someone to say just ignore it because it’s a free country is odd
Neil cant make it about science because it would invalidate his nonbinary daughter.
I love how Ben tries to pull Neil towards his arguments and how Neil instead doesn't buy into his biases and so eloquently difuses his focus to the reality of what constitutes science and sociological realities present in our world today. Brilliant!!
Politician vs scientist haha. The funniest part is when a politician tries to argue science, without any idea what they are saying, my favorite line was "It's theory based not science based." which I mean... that's like saying I made sugar free cookies because it's made with chocolate not sugar lol.
Or it's a social issue not a science issue... Social science exists for a reason. xD
@@paulvictor7489 Now I know this isn't the case, but if you didn't know who either of these people were and saw this video, a unbiased person would come away from this video thinking Ben knew more about science than Neil. Why is is when "scientist" have a theory or fact that fits their political agenda they scream it to the heavens, but when science doesn't agree with their political agenda they just dodge the question?
That's completely untrue unless you know absolutely nothing about science or the scientific method... Everything he says in contradictive to the basis of science and research and he sounds no different then a fitness influencer or a politician trying to push an idea.
The only people that listhen to this man and think he knows more of science, are people who stopped learning science in highschool.@@m16ty
The synopsis of this would be ben arguing that he doesn't like trans and thinks talking about trans makes more kids trans (which it does) and neil is saying that it is a real thing that happens to people (which it is but rarely on it's own, it stems from societal issues and people not accepting that men/woman can be feminine/masculine and vice versa.) and that just because it's a negative thing, doesn't mean we should take freedoms away from people to stop said thing, because once your rights are taken away it's near impossible to get them back. Freedom and survival of the fittest is better than control and communism. Some people will have these mental issues and we just have to deal with them as society rather than try to do it politically.
Hahahhaha delusional liar 🤣
I've never seen a man watch his own words so carefully in a conversation.
Funny thing is, in another part of this interview, NDT calls out Ben as the "King of Pissing Off People in the Internet", and Ben ACKNOWLEDGES IT with A LAUGH like "Yeah, that's right heheheeeee"
It’s called thinking and not blurting out catch phrases to score points
I don’t know.. I am pretty sure that’s how he talks in most educational videos I’ve seen him in.. he’s being very deliberate with his words. I can only imagine the amount of mindfulness and patience I’d need in order to endure a conversation with a fast talking spitfire like Ben Shapiro
That's really sad. You don't know anyone who thinks before they speak?
More people need to watch their words more carefully and be more aware of their consequences.
WOW! Inviting a guest on a show, with a different point of view ,and letting them express their view! That's an interview. Thank you!
If that ain’t the most passive aggressive comment lmaooo
Yeah he never does that
@@hardcoore_gyt9254 : )
Have you seen his interviews? Sam Harris, Andrew yang, Joe Rogan etc.
@@Lebronwski More a comment on the format in general. Yes, after seeing this video I did start watching more of his interviews.
Why their knees so close!?!!?!?
shapiro's gay, didn't you know that?
For Ben's comfort
Two of the best replies ever 💀
Thank you!!! 😂
It’s done when filming an over the shoulder view to keep both in the shot
Neil really got me thinking towards the end. He implies people have formed a mental connection between the discovery of an objective truth and a societal outcome based on that finding. I think that understanding that people think that way makes a lot of what's going on right now make a lot more sense. People have agendas and so they want to discover the objective truth they agree with so that their agendas can be pushed. Meanwhile, they want the opposite of their objective truth to never get discovered, so the enemies' agendas can't get pushed. I quite like Neil's solution of finding an objective truth and then not allowing that truth to oppress anyone. It reminds me of a Carl Jung quote I really like: "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
Does objective truth not always leave the door open for one's own personal interpretation? Is the more logical choice to devote oneself to finding absolute truth?
@@factsoverfeelings7592 The search for absolute truth is a great thing for as long as we respect the freedom of every individual. If there was science that suggested that one race was objectively better than another (this is only hypothetical as such science would NOT be true or taken seriously) you could imagine what problems could arise both societally and legislatively.
Kinda of a cop out to say finding something out scientifically will lead to government persecution.
@laughs150 he didn't say that it would, he said "could", and neither suggest that the research shouldn't be conducted and the results shared... just warning that it's a thing that we need to be careful of because it's happening with politicians and gay/etc rights.
Why we aint free to tell people they believe in lies and why we not free to choose not to be a part of ltbqgenderbullshit
"A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” ― Milton Friedman
Quote for the ages.
czcams.com/video/Kylfb4RcXE4/video.html unbelievable
@mgi 12321 Ah but Alfred Nobel was another cis white man, his misogynistic racist award lives to this day... 😜
@@worldscar6422 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that see darkness for light and light for darkness; that taste bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
Isaiah 5:20
Friedman's quote was relative to "financial equality" ... spouting quotes out of context, is bafoonary .. carry on.
Idegaf about the arguments, the fact that they’re both so civil is just a breath of fresh air honestly
Debates the way they are supposed to be.
@@japanpanda2179 check out his interview with Andrew Neil and see if you have the same opinion
True. Setting aside our own opinions on the issue.
Yeah the only thing is Neil keeps interrupting him every 5 seconds
Stop with the sanctimonious bull
Neil is at a whole different level intellectually.
Ben pretends to be about facts and logic, yet almost all of his points are based in his relogious beliefs. Meanwhile, Neil is an actual scientist who has regular conversations with the great minds of the modern day.
@@wantedwario2621 lol I didn’t want to comment but I’ll say this
Make and female isn’t only religious, it’s biology lol, the point Neil is making is constitution right to whatever you want but that isn’t true, if we had 100% freedom then anyone could rob, kill and do other illegal stuffs and say oh yeah It’s my first amendment right or whatever u guys call it
The world is worried about more serious issue, kids are dying in Africa due to hunger and so many other countries then America is bothered about pronouns, genders and so many stupid things that makes absolutely no sense, Neil do talk about offending people with what he says but right here he’s just scared to speak the truth, other countries that isn’t western or bound by religion don’t care about genders cause we all know we have two genders, where’s the scientific fact that a man is a woman and a woman is a man, I’ve never even once thought about a man being a woman until I started watching American media
Why’s everyone scared of speaking the truth now?, you think I care about feelings?, or I’ll put feeling above facts?, Neil talks about right and freedom but he talks down on flat earthers, I’m not a flat earth person nor do I care the shape or size of the earth but all I know is Neil is a hypocrite, I don’t agree with Ben on most things but this right here I agree with him, he never brought up religion, he was talking about scientific facts and all Neil could talk about is right and freedom to do what u want and express how u feel but then he belittles flat earthers so believing in a flat earth make that make sense
Tbh I don’t even care, you americans do what u want, all power to you, as long as you don’t contaminate the rest of the world then we have no issue, I’m not even a practicing Christian but I know America is the Anti Christ
Neil is a classic example of a narcissist who thinks he’s more intelligent than he actually is. His stance on this issue is so anti-scientific. The bloke’s a buffoon.
@@wantedwario2621like Sagan? But not with actual prolific such as Gauss, Euler, Riemann, Galois, Abel, Brouwer, Erdos, Ei𝘴𝒆nstein, Tao, & Perelman?😂😂😂😂🤣
There's a couple moments in this where you just watch Neil take a deep breath and go to a zen place where I can only imagine he's thinking "let the child speak ..."
Person: **disagrees**
Ben Shapiro: "Time to talk faster."
You: *doesn’t understand*
This us such a complete non-sequiter from leftists.
He talks fast therefore he's wrong? If your simple mind can't comprehend it slow down the video, turn on captions.
@@JobVanDam He talks fast so you cannot get your point across. Works with woke 20-year olds in college campuses. If he tries that against a competent debater, he'll tear him a new one.
@@DudeWatIsThis You leftists live in a bubble then you claim to know what happens outside your bubble.
Ben has debated Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur, Destiny, Alex O Connor and TONS of people on his Sunday Show.
None of them are the type you can just steamroll by talking fast, he makes his point, when hes done talking they respond.
Furthermore if they don't understand why can't they just say "excuse me, can you please repeat that?"
Both Destiny and Alex O'Connor, intelligent left wing people, have complimented Ben.
Only you bubble leftists can't because you have to live in a binary world.
You are good and he is bad.
You are nice and he is mean.
You are the truth and he is the lie.
You are the light and he is the dark.
@@JobVanDam I am not a leftist, lol. I'm just critical. And I just think Ben Shapiro is a doofus, that's all. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur are MUCH worse, though. There's barely any merit in winning a debate against them. But what would Shapiro do against Sam Harris? Against Dan Dennet or Slavoj Zizek?
Well, maybe if you are American you can still consider me a leftist, since you guys just pick between "right wing" and "more right wing". But in Europe I'm center-right. And no, I'm not British.
This is so valuable! Finally a discussion with two people with opposing views that is not a shouting match. This type of discussions is what society needs. It invokes critical thinking
Seems like Neil is afraid to commit to an opinion. When pressed for an opinion, he says “what does it matter” or “what’s your motivation?”
Seems like a cop out
@WildBillandFriends that's exactly what it is, he's a Hollywood TV show scientist, he must agree to promote transgender pedo and LGBTsq 😂
I think what he is saying is Why should someone else's gender matter?
What's the motivation to care about someone's gender?
He's saying it shouldn't be politically motivated.
Legislation to restricts people's freedom shouldn't be the motivating factor.
There have been females competing against and with males in sports like little league baseball, soccer, volleyball and even wrestling.
@@WildBillandFriendsbecause he's smart enough and patriotic enough to know the basis of the inquiry is rooted in a political agenda to undermine the basic freedoms of others, and he's smart enough to dangle it out there to expose that agenda.
@@TheGarageBandSyndicate so be science denier…… if it’s politically correct ? ? ?
🤣🤣🤣
I don’t think this is even a debate. It’s literally just Neil talking about “culture wars” and making sure Ben doesn’t get a catchy soundbite out of him
Neil is so stupid in so many ways it’s really a shame. Ben is way smarter than this guy.
If you are FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED to transgenderism. There is nothing for you in this debate. If you are someone WILLING TO LISTEN Neil makes very great points. Whether you use biological arguments or whatever, the FACT is that people in a free country are choosing to express themselves outside of a gender binary. This EXPRESSION is regardless of biology, or other such arguments. And again, if you are WILLFULLY REFUSING to listen to Neil, like you said "it isn't even a debate". But for those more open-minded, they might just receive a new perspective that they otherwise did not have. I would recommend that you live your life LISTENING to others, rather than constantly living defensively and argumentatively. You do not have to AGREE with someone, to simply listen.
FACTS
@@kollatherals_altFACTS indeed, i meen he has a Position to loose, he cant really say nothing ❤
Neil was putting forth legitimate arguments. If your preoccupation is to take a "soundbyte" out of context, you have already told on yourself, that you are NOT listening and acting in bad faith. Only sensationalists look to take arguments out of context.
NDT way of thinking in this dialogue feels to me so much more unique, probably the most detailed, observationally aware and justly humanitarian way I’ve heard anyone talk, politically speaking, about transgenderism.
Or maybe he just doesn’t want to get cancelled. He obviously has no science to support his arguments so the smart thing is to dance around the topic or not answer any at all.
@@LaSantaPatronaI think you misunderstood what science is.
Science is observation of facts and data and making best inferences from them. Sometimes we do experiments to get more data.
Science is not a scripture that everyone needs to follow. Transgender people are present, that is a fact. Now why they are present can be a research topic, TBH it's already being studied and may need more work, but putting a blindfolded on and acting like it's a lie is not scientific temperament.
@@LaSantaPatronano, he is trying to not absolutely destroy Ben since he is on a tour promoting his book. He doesn't want to get cancelled by unintelligent backwards bigots for ridiculing someone so greatly deserving of it.
"So why aren't you a libertarian?" Because I'm smart and I don't need a word to hide behind.
Ben Shapiro isn’t actually a Libertarian btw
@@haydencantthink Guess you better tell him that. He has tracks all over Twitter and other forums where he flat out says himself that he is. Must be a deep fake!
@@haydencantthink Ben Shapiro is Libertarian: "I have the liberty to do what I want. You have the requirement to do what I want."
@@jonsnow1123 "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
I guess North Korea is democratic! And it's a republic!
@@epicswag100xd4 What in the World are you ranting about?
I'm glad I'm watching a normal debate with no insults being thrown around and actual points being made.
It's more like mr Tyson and mr Shapiro are in agreement but mr Tyson can't show it on camera , it's the subject of rhetoric which is the art of being persuasive which allows mr Tyson to get around answering direct questions but still be in relative agreement, the whole video was balancing act.
@@enoch3874 😐
@@enoch3874 Obviously Mr Tyson came "well prepared" to that interview with Shapiro! He knew his political views and did not want to align with Shapiro on some touchy subjects...
@@sergeayissi939 being that mr Tyson is a scientist (astrophysicist in particular) and sociology is regarded as not science in the typical view of it..its not obvious to me how you come to your conclusion .
The reason I why sociology, I think, is viewed as the odd man out in the scientific community is because the interpersonal demention that's included allows for subjectivity to come in
@@enoch3874 Sure, but Shapiro is no scientist, he is political + he's far right! Tyson knew exactly where Shapiro wanted to take him and he politely declined the invitation to extremism...
Neil is very dishonest here. He is trying so hard not to offend people and the way he try to dodge the question by answering with question. He switch to talking about "People Expression, People freedom". Yes. Neil. We already knew that.
Still Great Video.
Everyone has realized that. But Neil does not.
He doesn’t want any footage out in the internet, in which he states that transwomen are not biological women.
Does not even make a difference between gender and sex.
Suche a weak behavior.
Though he did make some very valid points on freedom. Though he did carefully tried to step through a minefield of words. I mean we can't have the cancel culture people taking out Neil. But I heard. Shapiro in a different way say similar things about freedom when people are adults. It is more concerning when we are talking about kids.
I think any of the trans stuff is definitely a social studies area though rather than science.
Neil don’t want to be an asshole
He’s actually Championing the Constitution over EVERYTHING. It’s amazing.
I just watched a civil debate, no yelling, minimum interruptions, and no disrespect. Amazing.
If I may point something out quickly - yes, I agree, they were calm and it's nice to watch that... But let's not be naïve, it helps that none of the speakers' fundamental rights, such as self-determination or physical integrity, were at stake in this discussion, let's never forget that.
Ben calling himself a “libertarian” is the funniest thing i’ve ever heard
"as a libertarian, i think that politicians should be involved in and pass laws that prohibit decisions you can make that are between you, your child, and your doctor."
he is such a coward, hiding his bigoted belief behind a viel of "libertarianism"
Yeah I'm pretty sure spending your time fixated on villifying people who exercise their right to define themselves as they feel comfortable, is decidedly not a libertarian trait. Dude is a full on right wing conformist bigot who spends his life pursuing an agenda to attack a very small minority group.
Ben's smile at the end is so uncomfortable because he knows Neil Degrasse Tyson has a better claim to loving freedom than his authoritarian self does
It’s crazy the way Neil essentially said protect gay rights and Ben was like oh so we both think the same way like since when ???
Honestly, in my experience most self proclaimed libertarians are just extremist Republicans trying to be edgy
This is a great example of how debating should be handled.
Kudos to Niel for keepin Ben under control
Usually ben just steamrolls over people and then his fan say he owned them. This was nice to see.
A hormonal equalized league would be one way to circumnavigate the differences between men and women. I know I would watch out of curiosity. Long-term Idk if it would be able to compete with mens sports but short-term it would be a hit.
Yes, and not 19-year-old college students this time...
@@coreyburke3493 That's because Neil is a scientist, and science is about speaking with logic--not feelings.
Neil is "happy to opine on this." And adds, "why do we give a shit about this?" And, "freedom to behave in any of these ways, should not concern you at all" And, "I don't see anything meaningful solutions" And, "People express themselves on a spectrum." And, "what are you trying to accomplish by asking yourself, is it science or is not science?" Neil was sooooo uncomfortable with this topic. I am a Ben fan, but I agree with other comments that he should have hit harder on this. This was one of Neil's most unscientific interviews ever.
Neil said that we should research it but that research shouldn't result in the restriction of the rights and civil liberties of trans peopel
The point Neil was trying to make is that your feelings about trans people, whether good or bad, don't matter in a free society. Cause regardless of whether it's scientific fact or not, you should be able to do what you want. I thought republicans were all about freedom? Lol
N G-T is 100% fraud clown
I think Ben hit just as hard as he needed to to get NDT to express his ambivalence on the topic. NDT doesn't feel backed into a corner yet, and it could be to his detriment. Either way, he's clearly not a thought leader in this debate, which is an arguably acceptable position, and Ben got that out of him.
To respond to your first point, NDT's opinion was that people like Ben, who claim to be libertarian, should actually approach trans issues by first asking why they care. Why does Ben care so much what pronouns a person uses? Why does he care if someone who identifies as male wears a dress?
The argument here is that, beyond his own prejudices about those things, he has no actual reason to care because those other people just want to exist. Trans issues are hardly issues once people like Ben Shapiro just live and let live.
"if we live in a free country, as we tell ourselves, it shouldn't matter"
thanks Neil :)
Actually it should. There’s right and there’s wrong. There’s facts and fiction. If a man identifying as woman can walk into any vulnerable space used by biological women this will make them feel uneasy, and frightened. Not everyone agrees with this, and rightly so. This is dangerous!. Neil is a scientist, and he should be reporting facts. Instead he danced around the questions.
It matters when it effects everyone else. It matters when it's forced onto others or violates the rights of others such as biological makes using woman's bathrooms and entering their sports
It matters when it effects others. It matters when it violates the rights of others, such as religious freedom, freedom of speech, biological men using women's bathrooms and entering women's sports
@@reginayoung5578 if someone's existence violates your religious freedom, then your religion is built off controlling others and is precisely the type of thing the right to religious freedom is supposed to protect us all from: you imposing your beliefs on me.
we gotta get over the bathroom thing. if you're worried about a trans person coming in to violate you, then please consider that someone coming to violate you is not gonna be stopped by a sign on a door anyway, irrelevant of gender. what are they gonna do to you in there, pee in the stall next to yours? fix their makeup? exist? if you've ever seen a gender neutral restroom in any of the dozens of countries where they're standard (or a family bathroom in the US), you can notice quite clearly that people, by and large, use a bathroom as a bathroom, not a hunting ground. if that's all you can think about then i question why, frankly
@@reginayoung5578why do people keep using "effects" instead of "affects"?
Absolute fact: Ben gets owned by Astrophysicist.
Wouldn't say that
That's your opinion not a fact
@@tiffanyjones2880 but the claim on the original comment is not a fact either
Your take here is as low IQ as Tyson's.
@@doggeplays6193 ben is a twat, how about that? de grasse is irritating, just for balance.
"why we even give a shit" Neil got my ass there
@@XVegeraX What? 😮
Let's see, centuries of men physically ruling others, and there were queens only because they were wives or daughters of kings in stable countries.
Now that technology can be used to equalize physical differences to a certain extent, we should purposely throw away known physical facts?
That's simply not a appropriate use of the new abilities afforded by technology
@@XVegeraX weird way to come out but go off.
@@XVegeraX you read that and instantly went to mens asses. Interesting 🤔
What does that even mean? We give a sh!t because these people with freedom to identify themselves as what they like (which infact is not a REAL thing) are passing down, more like, CONVINCING children who have no understanding of what is real or not. They can bloody well dwell wherever they want, but it gets dangerous when they infect others with unproven fact. I don't even know how most people are taking the words of Neil as a word of God. When infact what he is saying is ridiculously nonsensical. What does "Science can study more about it" mean? The studies have already been done, both physically and psychologically. What part of this problem exactly is he referring to be studied?
The amount of cope in the comment section is UNREAL !
And what are people using to counter hard facts ? FEELINGS !!! You can't make this shit up
Please explain to me what argument ben made?
@@averypatrick5279 that's the point, he didn't make any so all the comments are about how tyson is "scared of the left" for expressing his opinion
@@averypatrick5279 Well, at first he said "the left's understanding of gender is unscientific," then he had to back up to "well, okay, it's a social construct and therefore not designated by science per se, but they're still not biological women," and then when Neil addressed that line, it seems as though he just stopped engaging with the convo altogether.
Essentially, his plan was to run through his regular talking points, but because deGrasse Tyson gave a nominal amount of pushback, these argument fell like a shitty house of cards (after all, Neil most likely isn't some sort of gender theorist or anything). And I think that's Clara's impression as well.
He didn't state any facts you little weasel. He said we shouldn't discuss the facts because they supposedly don't matter.
@@Dennis-nc3vw he quite literally said we should discuss them and research them. He said it literally three times
All I know is that whenever I talk about science, people on both the political left and the political right get upset-for different reasons-because the science doesn’t support their political prejudices. I’d rather spend my time with people who neither seek to silence scientific inquiry nor twist it into excuses to violate the rights of others. Doesn’t seem like much to ask.
They bring this up so often, like they accidentally date a transgender woman and are now angry that they couldn’t notice it before that one night
Well yes, because you were tricked into believing that someone is something that they are actually not.
@@JavierCespedes90 which virtually never happens. and in the rare cases it does, the trans community shuns those people. and when it does, sure you have a right to be upset with that person.
does that mean we should let that shape legislation that would affect the rest of the community? hell no.
this is a free country. we judge individuals for their actions. you can't prosecute an entire demographic because of the actions of some. otherwise we'd be banning Christianity because of the statistical correlation between priests and pedophilia lol.
@@JavierCespedes90i think you only think you’re tricked because you think transgender is an adjective term rather than an verb to describe someone’s experience in life. someone is not trans, they are a woman or a man (whatever they transitioned to). they are not trans, but they have transitioned. i hope that made sense idk how to really word it but this kind of thinking really changed my view on transgender and everything. overall, gender is a total made up thing and overall it is genuinely how we express ourselves. if they were extremely feminine, had a feminine personality, and had the surgery, would you have an issue ? i do completely also understand where you’re coming from, as for a period of time i didn’t really think i would date someone who was trans. but i think the idea of being “tricked” stems from a false idea on what trans people are that i often see
@@brizzlintea346 You cant transition to the opposite sex, a "trans woman" is actually a mutilated and deformed man, no other way to see it, sorry.
20 seconds in and I can see Ben knows he’s getting no where.
Neil was really beating everything Ben said, and imo clearly everything Ben was thinking of saying.
@@HellRaiser1454654 he wasn’t
He’s trying so hard not to be cancelled
Ben looked awkward all the time cause he didn't want to slap him with facts in a brutal way he gave him space and just tried to close this interview asap cause u could see that he had respect for him before the interview started .
@@patrycjaolewicz5108 a true scientist knows when to say that they don't know and don't have the right answers yet because the right information hasn't been given.
@@TinyBearTim fr I could tell that
I’ve never in my life considered a debate between these two men. This is immensely fascinating.
This isn't a debate, It's a scientist talking to a media personality. There has to be an element of equity of standing in order to consider it a debate and the knowledge gap is massive between these two in regards to almost any scientific premise. It's interesting that these two are talking about a subject but they are not debating and you can tell he knows that.
@@hagifashion7513 my mistake. Ben Shapiro is a energetic speaker and can seem combative. Neil was also a bit more deliberate with his words than normal. Typically you get the sense he’s trying to be accurate, here he seemed like he wanted not to be misheard. Plus Ben kept jumping in there cutting Neil off. Those mannerisms made my mind go to debate. Plus they had differing views and they were arguing the merits and pitfalls of those views on an important discussion in today’s society.
Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an intellectual giant. What we witnessed here was not a debate, it was a lecture.
@@python-pyqt5982 He's only an intellectual giant in the realm of astronomy and astrophysics. He was having a lot of trouble answering most of these questions. This was no lecture, it was barely a discussion.
@@imsikc In your extremely twisted right-wing logic, a political commentator with a law degree knows more about science than a person who holds a PhD in Astrophysics.
Great to see two people with very different political perspectives sitting down in this days and age and having a civilised debate.
I agree with both sides of the argument. The thing about freedom (particularly when it exists alongside equality) is a two-way street. If everyone is free to express themselves however they please, then you are free to go through life acting like a cliche example of the opposite sex if that’s what you choose, and simultaneously, other people are free to react to your choices however they choose. Freedom comes with a price: and that price is growing a thick skin and accepting other people’s criticism of the more obscure among your free life choices. Otherwise there is, by definition, at least some degree of oppression involved. How you choose to live your life is up to you. How other people respond to it, is not.
P.S. this is coming from an autistic ginger. I’ve been called just about every variant of “retard” under the sun. But I don’t complain. I barely even take offends anymore. I embrace it. Because it is part of the compromise of living in a free society, and I value freedom and equality for all more than I value my own feelings not getting hurt.
This is the smartest comment I’ve seen so far. The way I see it with this community, they’re gonna have to learn to compromise just like EVERYONE else has done before them. Blacks are free from oppression and have the same rights as whites in this country for example, but to ask that all white people not to like them is never gonna happen and they just have to accept it and move on. I agree that trans people are humans and should enjoy basic rights just like the rest of us but absolutely nothing more. We shouldn’t have to suck up to them or learn their million genders or be obligated to refer to them as whatever gender they please. I say this as a lesbian myself who is tired of the bs and entitled behavior coming up across all these “minority groups”.
But responses to it when it is dangerous or hateful should not and is not freedom.
And how people respond to others response is also free to be whatever if it is lawful
He is so afraid of the backlash and cancelling that he is not even responding to simple question. Basically everything he said is "It exists so... it exists"...
Well that’s the entire point. It’s an idea so it has no physical manifestation to be destroyed. It isn’t a place or a time it’s an idea that is spreading rapidly. And so in that case he is saying instead of fighting it let it happen and work around it. He has no objective view as it is just a thing that is happening and he believes more study needs to be done in order to give a full answer. But as he stated later he thinks that study causes political issues. So that’s the problem. Being a man of science and being unwilling to make a definite answer on a topic you are neither schooled nor educated in is more smart then scared.
What makes me really mad is that he effectively admitted that he had been previously asked for his thoughts, and these are his scientifically disingenuous thoughts that he has communicated to political figures, SO he is basically part of the woke problem that is tearing the West apart. 😠
VERY DISAPPOINTING 😠😠
@@ParsnipGod So the science doesn't have a definitive answer about the binary nature of mammalians... So that's not dodging... And how about the physical manifestation of the idea of transgender where a transgender female breastfeeds a baby and then says it "supplements" with formula... And how about the science behind the gender dysphoria? So he didn't dodged that as well... But it is good that he has a fierce defender in you :)
@@ParsnipGod umm, no. Sorry. Ben failed to press him with better questions and instead just let him get away with Bull Sh. Very annoying.😠
@@motherofallemails Indeed. The future problems will manifest with the radicalization of the right as a response for the woke policy. The principle of reactive force applies in social topics as well. Well, the ANTIFA, BLM, LBGT groups are non violence oriented or at least moderate but the radical groups will be. So the future of the US lies in civil war just because people stretch democracy into idiocy.
“I’m happy to opine on this”
The most uncomfortable he’s ever looked
total fraud clown 100%
@@Tom-ee3gs Just because you can't understand him, doesn't make him a fraud.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is trying to avoid pressuring Ben Shapiro so much he throws a tantrum. It's an uncomfortable spot to be in. We all remember the BBC interview.
It's like he was trying to convince himself.
@@lavamatstudios more like he’s trying hard not to get canceled on Twitter
I did my bachelor's in psychology in India and I am currently studying special care education in Montreal, Canada.
And one thing mentioned to me in either of the courses is that "if a child thinks that he's not being loved by his parents, irrespective of it being true or not, it's the child's reality".
So similarly, if someone identifies oneself as a male or female gender it's their reality. Shoving the so-called truth down their throat won't help.
However, since it's personal to a transgender person they shouldn't try shoving their truth down other people's throats too.
The school's calendar shouldn't be changed based on what one's closet looks like.
A man identifying as a woman shouldn't go to the women's washroom, because of someone rapes another women it's gonna bring shame to trans community only.
Sports shouldn't have any influence coz a man identifying oneself as a woman still has more bone density and strength.
Nothing true to be found.
Truth is only as true as seeker's intention.
Let whoever be whatever!
Be kind, be polite, and most of all be accepting.
Neil said a whole lot, didnt really let Ben respond, and Neil still went nowhere with his answers and questions aside from he doesnt want new laws based on what science discovers which is also stupid.
He also talks a lot about taking rights away from people specifically the trans community, but playing in pro sports isnt a right, and going into any bathroom isnt a right, and using any locker room isnt a right but giving people who identify as woman the right to invade these spaces takes away the right of the women since they have those spaces SPECIFICALLY to be safe, away and private from men. The whole point of women sports was to give women a chance to play professionally and make money.
Civilized with a touch of humor, as all things should be.
Just like Hbomberguy and Professor Dave Explains.
Or Michio Kaku, but to a lesser extend, sadly.
neil is highly educated in astrophysics and was groomed by carl sagan. he's one of the worlds most intelligent ppl right now. however i must point out.... neil is not a biologist or educated in genetics. i also believe neil did not want to stir the pot and be caught up in something he would consider a distraction to his career.
@@ricklazio7923 As a curious guy and a man of science in general, Neil very likely has a better basic understanding of biology than lawyer Ben Shapiro. I do think it's interesting that many people respect psychologist Jordan Peterson's opinion on climate science or evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein's opinion's infectious disease (biology is a very wide field and these two are on opposite ends of the biology spectrum; they have a very loose connection). Better yet, many people seem to respect Tucker Carlson's opinions on infectious disease more than the vast majority of doctors and scientists that study it
@@ricklazio7923 Also notice that Neil didn't say anything that is biologically false. He didn't really make any biological claims; he just approached it with curiosity and objectivity. He didn't say that XX people can magically become XY. He just said that we see some people presenting as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth and that would be an interesting phenomenon to study
Tell that to the left that complains about Dave Chappelle’s special 😂
The cope in this comment section is deliciously hilarious.
truly
The repetitiveness of this comment is deliciously redundant.
The puny brains of you Vaush fanboys can't muster anything but one sentence snark and vague, one-sentence dogmas. You're sad.
@@Dennis-nc3vw bro you say we only muster one word rebuttals yet in a video full of incredible points by a genuine scientist you came out thinking he was in the wrong. No matter what anyone says you'll just say they're either antifa or "scared of being cancelled by the left"
The fascists love Ben and his propaganda.
Neil is trying so hard not to get cancelled lmao
No, yes trying to keep Ben from being cancelled.
@@ryandubois3675 For telling the Truth
I like that Neil is having a civil argument, whilst Ben doesn’t really have an argument, but is still civil.
I wish people could talk like this more.
There’s nothing wrong with letting people do what they want. The point is it’s strange how many stories of parents saying their 5th grader kid came home saying they were non binary or something like that. Which is 100% happening why more than it should.
How are kids even having these thoughts is beyond me.
It’s being put on them by weirdo political activist teachers
How they’re having those thoughts? It’s called being a teenager :D @@TreeGod.
@@marcaaron1890there not even teenagers.
@@marcaaron1890This has never happened before though. It isn’t them “being teenagers”.
Neil's entire argument is "why does it matter?"
NDT: "This only matters because today we segregate nearly all sports by gender."
REALITY: "Sports segregated by gender, Prisons segregated by gender, Restrooms segregated by gender, Biology segregated by sex, Medical diagnoses segregated by sex, Legal charges against violence also segregated by sex"
NDT: I can't find a significant solution (regarding the sports situation).
REALITY: "if we can't find a significant solution. Why does that happen?"
U spelt “sex” wrong, I’ll let it pass from an illiterate Tory
We used to segregate voting rights by gender, too.
Now that is not true prisons are men move into female housing. Represent women at the Olympics...
If sports weren't segregated by gender, we'd only have men's sports.
Biologist can tell that gender is not strictly male or female so nice try
“Why does this matter other than sports”
Uhh…how about bathrooms/locker rooms, private schools/classes segregated by gender, and to use a recent example, beauty contests.
Here's a couple more that Neil the village idiot missed -Mothers day and fathers day, tampons, contraception pill, abortion, pregnancies,
Also, people should be free in a free country, he claims. So why can't I freely use correct pronouns instead of being forced to use the woke pronouns _demanded_ by the transgender community? This whole movement is a denial of freedoms.
I just don't get how they can say my daughter and I do not deserve penis free spaces. Or that my son must share his space with girls. He's a teenage boy. I mean c'mon. Those transboys/men are in danger.
@@PJRayment psh you call this country free why can't I use the n word to my coworkers without getting fired.
@@overshottyler a private organization imposes it's own rules. Not the same as a government
Ben sounds like I’m watching the video at 2x speed, and then Neil sounds like I’m watching the video at 0.5x speed
Neil does an incredible job of pointing out the biases we hold when attaching labels to ourselves. That being said, hats off to Ben for not regulating the comment section and posting the video in the first place when an overwhelming majority is in favor of Neil.
Came for the “he’s afraid of being cancelled” comments
Was not disappointed
It's funny how everyone who disagreed with the right are always "scared" and "frightened". The projection of these emotion is very telling.
I love that tyson doesn't even bother picking shapiro apart. It's like the truth he's talking does that itself.
Right? Cause apparently they can't fathom the idea that someone more educated could possibly have a different opinion than them, so it all has to be a stunt. If he was so worried about being cancelled why would he even do this interview in the first place? He didnt even hard agree with it, he just said why do you care so much you.
@@Theactivepsychos It’s hardly a projection when’s there’s a bread crum trail of evidence that cancel culture is very very real.
@@akallstar5 yupyou cracked the code the right has neve ever cancelled people ,organisions ,brand or media for not aligning with their agenda on gay people , violence in media or trans people.
Cancel culture is purely a leftwing phenomenon.
@@arhamshahid5015 it’s so strange how two people can hear one thing, but interpret it so differently based on their preconceived notions.
I need Ben to sit closer… maybe on his lap next time lol
that would be nice.
Like Neil is Santa!
Man I hate this type of seating.
This made me laugh
No, the camera just makes them look closer. They are actually farther apart then you think.
this conversation did not went the way Ben wanted it^^
You know shits goin somewhere when the scientists talk politics and the politicians talk science.
"People express themselves on a spectrum." People do a lot of things, like reading Tarot cards or raiding "haunted" places, that does not bring what they do to the realm of science.
Tarot is mainly used as a tool for prediction (as divination can basically just be a fancy word for prediction, which is what humans naturally do), if we're going to speak frankly without the spirituality behind it. It's less of trying to bring nonscientific stuff into reality and more trying to make sense of the world around us via a tool of picture cards.
Even if it is just placebo, what's the harm in letting people have fun with things like that? Most people that use tarot or go into haunted buildings don't try and shove it down other people's throats (unless they're leftists).
Human's naturally predict things and want to know more about the world around them. What's the harm in using tools for that insight?
Yes, a spectrum... a binary spectrum.
Trans people do not have any conflict with science
@@DekkarJr the science doesn't even call sex binary
It's bimodal.
@@screamingopossum7809 But you don't base scientific facts based on what someone wants to do or not do. Science is SUPPOSED to be objective. Desires change literally on a whim. The basic scientific process/method is the establishment of repeatable (thus True) cause/effect. "Gender isn't Sex" is NOT a repeatable process. Everyone is born with a dingding or cooch (regardless of whether the plumbing works properly or not). Those are the options. No matter what someone WANTS doesn't change that.
Loved this. Study everything figure it out. Politicians stay out of it. I'm all for people believing and expressing themselves as long as they dont try and FORCE their beliefs on me. Emphasis on force. Open debate is fine. I love how Shapiro and Grasse agreed and disagreed but stayed civil and understood the others point of view respectfully. People lack respect now a days. Respect is about believing the other person isn't trying to be malicious just because they disagree with you, in a debate.
That was excellent. Neil’s point that it is true and real because it manifests, was so simple, yet so powerful. There really was nothing else to debate after that. I’ve never seen Ben Shapiro so quite.
Ben Shapiro comes off as very unqualified in this and right near the end he basically admits that he's happy for people to lose freedom, the freedom in question being that they're free to express themselves and be trans or gay etc. When Neil asked what his motivation was and he said it doesn't matter, his motivation is he doesn't want trans people to be afforded the same freedoms as Cis people.
That’s cause Neil isn’t logical
Ben asked him in scientific view is that real and all Neil could say is society blabbing nonsense
Wait I don’t get Americans, ask yourself these questions logically and not with feelings or caring about people feelings
what makes you think a man can suddenly become a woman ?
Did you suddenly wake up a day and choose to be a woman ?
What makes a woman a woman?
Does putting on a wig and dressing as a woman makes someone a woman ?
If archeologists dig up a transwoman grave would they meet a woman or a MANs bones there?
Is being a woman just a costume for you?
Does this mean that other countries who don’t know about this are uncivilized or barbarians
If I cut off the balls of my dog does that make it a woman?
Pls America you’ve done so many evil to this world
Don’t ruin the world anymore than it already has been by you guys PLS
People have other things to worry about and think about than what you are or identify as and no one outside the western world doesn’t care or even know about this mental illness going on in America
I’m not insulting you or anyone, I’m just honestly confused cause you guys are just going to ruin the world with these motives
Come to think of it, your govt is pushing these narratives too, do you think your govt has your best interest ?, do you think Americans actually have freedom?, yes they might think they have freedom than any other country but if they have freedom why can’t I just walk into your house and take whatever I want since I have freedom ?, why do I need a visa or passport to travel?,
Pls America think
Other countries are looking at how America is now and are doing the opposites cause they don’t want to end up like you guys,
I’ve heard many people from many countries call america the anti Christ
America was once a place of dream and purpose but now it’s just a mental institution
How I viewed Neil in this debate, was the one to throw the lgbtq under the bus. In all fairness, he’s point was “why do you care so much” “what’s your goal in debating while they want their freedom to do what they want?” This goes out to show that there is no objective truth to lgbtq and Ben’s point is why not to objective truth. Because I won’t Stand for someone who identifies as something they are not or educate children these things. Yet, it’s getting to a point of getting finned or even prisoned for misgendering someone. And yet transpeople or self identifying people are getting upset when being misgendered, even tho it’s agreed with Neil to let them be and let them live their lives how ever they want because it’s free to do so.
“What are you trying to accomplish (by telling the truth)?”
- A scientist.
It's good to remember he is a person before he is a scientist.
@@TN-br9yl yes sir, but he made this personal, he had not respond as a scientist, even if it matters when u want to compite against a cheeta in a 100m run, they just said who cares do whatever u want, or what do u mean by that? Why u even care?
That's ridiculous
Lol what a bunch of babies. Neil's point is that in a "libertarian" society, your gender identity doesn't matter and you can't even cope with how fucking ironic that is.
Cope harder, cucks.
Neil literally used the argument of an adult, to a malding child. "If it doesn't affect you (because it doesn't) then why do you care"
Yes. He is a person before he is a scientist. But he appears to believe in many aspects of the leftist agenda above objective facts.
Hahahah
This is the first time I’ve seen Neil not have an argument, he kinda just rambles to the conclusion of “who cares”
as a scientist, no less. He puts on the science hat when it is convenient for him, and takes it off when their are watching eyes that have a vested interest in him having a certain approved opinion. He hides behind the argument of "it doesn't matter, because I don't want politicians to do something bad with the information", but even that is the coward's way out. Do politicians lean on the findings of science? sure. But the scientist has the burden to convey it adequately, if that is ever the case.
This isn’t a debate so why does he need an argument?
@@BlueFinch you realize he’s literally just repeating the consensus of the scientific community right? Why do you think science ceases to be science when you don’t like it?
@@allisongross2946 You realize he only said : ''who cares'' and ''mu freedom''
There is no scientific consensus in there. I understand his concern of what do we do with a particular scientific knowledge politically but using this as an argument against making a scientific study is backward. Learning more about a topic, be it sexuality, gender, etc. Is a net positive. It informs on what may be the best way to order society which is Ben's point when he talks about teaching the kids.
Those guys are talking about two different things for most of the conversation and Neil is questioning why Ben is even asking the questions in the first place rather than answering the question. That's a fine question but it boils down to :
Ben - Wants studies to be made and have a free circulation of ideas to inform the best way to organize society.
Neil - Is worried that scientific knowledge will be used to limit freedom.
They both agree on Neil's point but Neil didn't address Ben's point. He only said he was worried of the intentions of wanting to organize the society based on the scientific data.
@@Eddie_of_the_A_Is_A_Gang he didn’t make arguments against doing studies. He said that trying to do science with the goal of harming people is bad.
And no, Ben doesn’t want “studies to be made and have a free circulation of ideas to inform the best ways to organize society”. He wants to make money. That’s his entire goal. His purported beliefs are objectively bad for a well organized society. His ideas are objectively harmful.
I'm glad Neil came at this with the idea that it doesn't matter in most regards because it's a free country and someone's choice on how they live THEIR life.
Riddle: When is a scientist NOT interested in facts?
Answer: When they are leftists afraid of speaking facts for fear of being canceled.
Riddle: When does a conservative stop caring about facts?
Answer: When an actual scientist says anything he disagrees with, which is basically every time.
@@benweaver5042 I can shut down a conservative with facts and logic but not leftists. This comes from a libertarian.
Conservative :
Anything I disagree with is not science
@@MusicMan-em4fn That makes no sense.
@@MusicMan-em4fn I can argue with conservatives how taking vaccine is safe but can't do the same thing with leftists without getting into real trouble.
Guys.... don't overdose on copium.
Christ you Vaush fan boys are pathetic. The ultimate projectionists.
@@Dennis-nc3vw I’m kind of curious, even tho it seems impossible for you to have a civil conversation behind your seething teeth and maddened eyes. Did you watch his video?
@@Dennis-nc3vw sounds like something a projectionist would say.
i say that as a reformed projectionist. aha!
They have moved from the denial stage to rage and anger.
@@Dennis-nc3vw if you think Ben came out looking good in this, you didnt watch the video.
Ngl, I tried writing 20 different comments to this to try and not get myself cancelled due to daring to have my own opinion on the matter and its extremely hard. Kudos to Neil for taking this matter on.
"The answer to that question should have no consequence on legislation or laws" thats the most powerful sentence I've ever heard from Neil
People sharing their thoughts without screaming and loosing their cool. This is what I call CLASS😎
Neil de grasse Tyson is so smart but he is utterly diminished by Shapiro in this
I couldn't talk to Ben I will lose my cool with him really fast. Cuz he seems to talk a lot of things that don't make sense to me
Ben argues for the sake of arguing
I concur. It's great they can sit there and discuss it calmly. But I think I can see Ben's brain twisting to see how a man as smart as DeGrasse is supposed to be, basically playing politician and being completely void of scientific reason. The answer is easy. Boys play with boys, girls play with girls.
@@carlosalenduran4630 You should listen to him more on his podcasts. Things will make better sense. Or, of you can't stomach his rapid yankee style speech, Michael Knowles will suit you better.
Now this is how two people with opposing views should talk to each other. What a better world we’d live in of we did more of this.
@Clippy This kind of civilized debate conversation is hardly common these days.
@@Keke_Poutri honestly it's not rare like you make it out to be lol
@@Keke_Poutri tbf it's hardly common to find two people with their level of education.
Indeed, and with the way that Neil was able to absolutely shred and obliterate each of Ben’s points, it should show people that the way to respond when confronted with Republican propaganda is to use the Socratic method. Ask questions to get them to think for themselves and hopefully shift their perspective, don’t try to offend them and polarize them even more
@@Keke_Poutri because theres one side that's literally trying to live, and the other side thats literally trying to erase all minorities and create an ethnostate.
Hahaha, Neil spanked Ben so hard. Ben is used to arguing with teenagers and not adults that actually know what they are talking about. Well done Neil.
How Nails point is why do you care, that's not spanking, that's running.
"Why do you give a shit?"
Very scientific, Neil.
He was trying so hard to avoid answering the question because he knows the answer but knows he will be heckled by leftists for giving the answer that science will say
Yeah this was actually kind of hard to watch it was almost like not having him on to debate at all because he's giving him very vague non answers that circle around the real question Ben is asking, he knows men are men and women are women and men as women in sports DO have an unfair advantage he just doesn't want to be canceled which is wrong.
Honestly, idk why they keep pandering to those that think mediocrity is special when they probably don't follow their work. They'd probably have a larger audience if they stated truth over feelings
Yeah I’m pretty disappointed. Someone tell him Twitter is not real life
I noticed that, all the deflection is exhausting and unbearable
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Ben: Are transgender women biological women?
NGT: Why does that matter ? What are you getting at?
lolololol
they’re not, no matter what you change you will never be able to transition to a biological male/female. though, that’s not to say that people can’t be trans, but you can’t change your biological gender
He's terrified of giving a direct answer, just like all people who make boatloads of money by encouraging societal lies....to sum it up....
He don't wanna be cancelled
LMFAO!!!! FAAAACTS!!!
Does that really matter to you that much. If it really bothers you that much go live in a place that dosent have transgender people like Iran. Personally I like the freedom we have in America that every individual can find self fulfillment in the own way.
Why does it matter ? Who are you harming?
This is the best argument you’ll ever hear. You all are just mad he’s articulate hahaha
1:09 bro sounded like a fucking robot with that sudden change from serious to laughing to serious
In terms of hormone levels, there's something similar in boxing where you are classed by weight.
Ben thinking he is a libertarian is hilarious
What did he say here that was un-libertarian?
Also interested
@@abacuswatches2230 he doesn't agree with someone else's choice so he must not be libertarian, ya know? Here I was, thinking I'm libertarian because I believe people should be free of government coercion. But apparently if I disagree with someone who makes stupid decisions or spouts a dumb ideology, I am not a real libertarian.
@@hunterhunter106 he doesn’t just disagree. He ascribes political prescriptions to shut down what he disagrees with. That’s authoritarian.
@@TrentonF505 how? What has he called for that's shutting them down?
Neil doesn’t belong in this discussion, as a science guy, he’s all of a sudden post modernist talking about this?
Why did Ben brought him in? He isn't a real scientist rather he is brownnoser for Dick Dawkins.
He's not a science guy, he's a science denier, the fact that there are scientists that support lgbt is pathetic and shows how anyone, no matter this intelligence, is worthless without common sense and a firm belief in science.
He barely escaped Me Too cancel culture several months ago after being accused of inappropriate conduct with female collegues. He is decidedly whip shy on this issue.
He is basically a celebrity who can make people go wow with his science fun facts.
@@Username-lt7lt Why shouldn’t scientists support the LGBT community?
I feel like things can be studied and that only once there is evidence of harm directly from that thing should determine whether the state has the power the make that illegal.
These two are fascinating together. I’m not usually aligned with Shapiro’s beliefs but I do admire and respect how objective and purely factual he is above and below those beliefs. In this video, he is so focussed on scientific outlook that he has shifted Tyson over to taking a humanitarian stance in spite of science. It’s surprising and it makes my respect for these two surge. I didn’t see the whole interview, but I have a feeling Shapiro is going to respond to this by saying people on all sides of any argument deserve those same rights, but those who are opposite him would disagree. So the question remains on two different fronts: 1) where do we draw the line on a claimed gender’s legitimacy? and 2) how do we stop drawing the line on who deserves basic human rights?
NDT: “please don’t cancel me, please don’t cancel me”
Ben: biology exists so we have to protect children from them with legislation so our kids don't learn to be nice to trans people, that would be bad somehow. I can't say how.
Neil: people should be allowed to express themselves however they want, why do you even care?
Comments: Neil is a fake scientist!
Trans people: we know all about biology and don't deny any science, please leave us alone
@@wgo523 You do NOT know all trans people!
Why do you think you can talk for all of these individuals?
The legit one's want to be left alone. The narcissistic million-gender, self ID people, like that one calling himself trans-racial, make it harder for real trans people,
to be taken seriously.
I bet you don't accept trans people like Blaire White.
There are more than you think.
BTW, nice strawman!
Shapiro has never said that children should be mean to trans people.
Stop, spewing nonsense!
@@wgo523 Get a life
@@wgo523 No one takes issue with how you choose to live your life, we live in a free country and you can do as you wish.
The problem is it becomes an issue not of freedom when you expect others to participate in your lifestyle, which is exactly what trans people are doing when they demand/compel others to use their preferred pronouns. If a Muslim for example doesn’t believe in your concept of gender roles and you compel him to use your pronouns, he is not the one that is intolerant of your transgenderism, it’s you that’s intolerant if his religion.
NDT: I'm just another idiot afraid from the left canceling people. Because I'm a Coward. And I said "I don't care" for millions of times.
Ben: “transgenderism is a…”
Neil: “IF YOU VALUE MOUNTING CLIMBING “
@MisterSerpent copy and paste troll.
@MisterSerpent you’re a very poor debater, first you make these claims about communism saying they are undeniable truths. You have yet to make a single point as to why communism is better than capitalism, you just are rambling. Second, you bring up Deng Xiao China and say they will go to a communist economy, however the problem is that the PRC in the past was a pure Marxist Communist economy. They had to add capitalist ideals to prevent further stagnation and grow their economy. I gave you two talking points and I will happily debate you. Don’t use dumb attack tactics that don’t work, discuss with me.
It is entirely possible that this will all come down to similar ties between religions and state separations. But not in the way that it's in any way a religion, but just like in that manner a person is not able to open practice religious beliefs openly, that essence of it's that individuals beliefs that is in contention with others that this may fall into. And unfortunately, that may only cause further problems.
About gender spectrum, can be scientific. As a presenting male, at age 25, my testosterone level was 14 which was hundreds of points lower than a male that age. Conversely, my estrogen level was 275 which is high for a cis-Female my prolactin was also very high. So on the gender spectrum, i considered myself female. *scientifically*
😂😂😂
Neil is tiptoeing on this subject more than a trained ballerina.
I think he's trying to be fair to both sides at the same time, which is almost impossible.
@@K_J_Coleman_Composer He's a coward, besides being a hack.
Tiptoeing, more like finding the right words to dumb it down enough for good ol Benny boi.
The part where Neil said that we need to limit laws based on science findings to protect peoples freedom should have rung Ben’s bell. I mean, as a Jew, history is very telling of what politicians have done with their findings in science.
The constitution protects us from religion, but the religious right doesn’t want to talk about that.
When Neil De grass Tyson tip toes around a subject that's when u better really listen to him because it must be a complex multi faceted issue that requires real thought and discussion.
@@keenandj1 Or maybe because he's afraid of getting cancelled by calling out the absolute basket cases. He wouldn't have an issue laughing at the transracials and transageists because these hold no political power.
It’s refreshing to see 2 people who stand on the opposite sides of a topic, NOT talk over each other.
This video gave me a lot of comfort I needed to hear, because it wasnt an arguement but rather a genuine discussion.
In Tyson's view freedom seems to trump everything else and in most parts I tend to agree with him. As long as that freedom of the individual doesn't affect anybody else. You have the freedom to swing your arms around to your heart's desire, but if your hand happens to hit me in the face we have a problem.
I agree. Everyone deserves freedom. I didn't like this debate as it was 80% Neil deGrasse Tyson sweet talking and dodging questions and 20% actual discussion.
weird because when it comes to diffrent topics like climate change , people like the Gov. to fk with peoples freedoms and even neil is for that
@@mathmanchris666 You see it as dodging but I see it as him answering pretty directly, not everything has to be yes or no, you have to grow up when it comes to those things, and realize some answers naturally have multiple layers and if you can't understand their answer that's less on them and more on you.
Facts 💯
So true, like what came first? The Chicken or the egg? Some would say it was the Rooster 😅
“We need a way to protect people’s freedoms”
Unless we’re talking about 2A rights.
-Neil Degrasse Tyson
I love my low IQ right wingers and their cowardly love for guns
- Donald Trump
@@MusicMan-em4fn so take them.. oh wait, youll need guns to disarm the population.. its almost like youre not ant-gun, your anti-everyone but the govt. gets to have guns
fucking kids, man
@@MusicMan-em4fn If low IQ people voted for Trump, i don't want to know the IQ of people who voted for Biden.
@@MusicMan-em4fn music man voted for a Dementia patient
Guess he doesn't actually know how rights are ultimately protected against a tyrannical Government
Talking about sport, is there a point on the gender spectrum where a person should switch to compete in a class whose members have eggs or in a class whose members have sperm ? Hormones level ? Which hormone should be taken into account, the ones produced by an individual who is equipped with eggs or sperm ?
I get where he's coming from. It's a luxury to express what you think about yourself whether it's reality or not because of where people live. It's a progressing in humanity that can either go bad or somehow become beneficial
Question to scientist about science:
Answer:
'Let's ignore the SCIENCE and talk about sociology'
Sociology is also a science.
@@ahuramazda980 but that wasn't the question. He asked a non sociological question, and got a sociological answer. That's the problem.
@@ahuramazda980 from the current place sociology is in, we can safely assert that it's not a science. James Lindsey affair has proved it.
Correct me if I’m wrong but all sociologists do is connect the dots on stuff that science has proved to be true.
Its not about that, its about being nice to other people
Galileo: ‘I think the earth revolves around the sun.’
This Azzhole: ‘what’s your motivation, Galileo?’
Yeah in Cosmos he propped up Galileo as a hero of truth against the church. Yet Neil won’t even sacrifice his career to defend truth against the new “church”, while Galileo died defending it.
What are you trying to accomplish by asking you this Galileo?
i read that in his voice xD
As much as I respect Neil and absolutely love his work and his show in Nation Geographic, that is totally accurate. It's always that argument "what's your motivation?" It's not just Neil, liberals of today always use that, because they know it's easy to make you look bad, and it's ridiculous
Motivation has absolutely NOTHING to do with the objective truth, *ideas* have everything to do with it.
And yes, motivation might be important if you're a ruler or an important polititian, but it's still *completely* irrelevant to the discussion of the objective truth, unless in your axiological system feelings and character come before objective truth and reasoning, or in phylosophical terms, pathos+ethos> loghos.
So, with all due respect to Neil and anyone else, unless you're willing to purposefully distort the truth and reality because of whatever reasons you think justify making a lie the official truth, the argument "what's your motivation?" is a ridiculous one and it's anti-intellectual
You got that right!
Neil was being super careful on his support for Transgenderism and not wanting to compromise the audience he speaks to and supports him. Very Careful.
This was a very hard-nosed butting of heads... like to of those rams that like almost kill each other doing it- yet so polite and civil. Even while like sooooo contentious and adamantly opposed, they maintained a sense of respect and civility. We NEED this kinda conversation more in our society.
I think the reason Neil doesn't call himself a libertarian is exactly his point on everything else he was making. Labeling opinions - or people - does not matter - no one is 100% anything. Ben is very good at making his arguments a moving target, frustrating his opposites. Neil didn't fall into that hole. Overall good discussion.
@New man Ben was the one trying to put a label on everything in this discussion ... OK Spanky!
@@imaprinta Sparkles is a nice name though :)
I dislike that the video cuts off before Neil could comment on that. But I think you're very right :)
@@ravenkarunanayake2550 Yea, but "Sparkles" makes me wonder if they're flirting! :)
Ben sticks to a principled and clear way of thinking. It's Neil who was shifting around and attacking Ben's motives as if this gender issue is not fundamental to science.
@@cosmofox We'll have to agree to disagree on Ben's debating style. Don't get me wrong - I admire his ability to debate. He's prepared, knows the strengths and weaknesses of his arguments ... and, imo, is ready to shift the argument if his opposite attacks it's weakness. He has done it many time in other debates as well. He's very good. Neil is trying to get Ben to understand that beyond the science (genitalia aside, if you will) and other than in sports, it is a moot point that Ben is trying to make ... and tries several different 'examples' - not shifting points - to get Ben to understand. But Ben's thinking is rather rigid - or principled, as you suggest - so he has a difficult time accepting Neil's interpretation. In other words, Ben is saying the topic is black and white - Neil is saying in the scheme of things, does it really matter, especially if it doesn't hurt anyone else's freedoms.
I love this. Two people with different opinions debating like rational human beings. This is the world I want to live in. No angst, just two people having a respectful conversation about a controversial topic.
how it Should be
This isn't a debate. This is a scientist trying to advocate for science on a show that hates science
Good points from both of them. But…. The earth plane is flat even if there are mountains and deep oceans!
Why would I trust someone who puts Science Fiction as facts and truths?
Yeah fuck this whole idea of "calm debating no matter someone's viewpoint" and treating it like it's 50/50. A lot of Shapiro's views are straight-up stupid.
It's like if you saw a Democrat arguing with a Nazi but they're discussing "rationally". Bro the Nazi's beliefs have no basis in reality and are hate speech... there's no good argument. This idea of "just because someone is calm and polite in a conversation must mean their argument has merit" is a huge problem in our society.
Not to mention NDT talked most of the time here Ben Shapiro just said dumbass shit. Wasn't really a debate but it's not like Ben Shapiro knows much about this field anyway
@@elishakortz8069 not really, Ben's nonsense is clearly exposed.
For a guy who once explained with great passion that sun isn't setting or rising but we are spinning and it is all just a social fact we think based on false assumptions and social behaviors comes easy to defend the same social fact for this subject? Duality of a person
Why is Ben so obsessed with this issue it literally does not effect him or his wife as far as she’s concerned Ben is a Ken doll
Issues do not need to effect you personally for you to care about them. To argue otherwise is absurdity.
He is a political character who needs content. Ofc he is going to comment on this what a dumb comment
Was this a surprise topic for Neil? He seems completely unable to discuss this both scientifically and rationally.
One thing I have noticed watching Neil is he is really good at giving "Ted talk" style speeches. He is not very good when people question him.
He is clearly just afraid of being “canceled”
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@@amymartin8243 A lot of show and little of substance. Or another way of putting, I don't put much stock in what I say because I am not able to support it, but I can make a lot of money from being a puppet.
The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him. Prov 18:17
NDT isn’t making sense here. Just because there’s some “spectrum” of something, that doesn’t mean we can’t make abstract fact-based generalizations about specific points within that spectrum. All light exists on a spectrum, yet blue is distinct from red is distinct from green is distinct from orange. Male becomes different from female at *some point* in that spectrum, and science should be used to explain that reality, not to justify throwing our hands in the air and pretending that there’s no distinction.
He is just trying not to get Cancelled by the left. Or he may have a family member who is LBTQxyz or something. He sounds ignorant.
I think most would agree that there is a point that male becomes female and vice versa. However, many would disagree that said point should be determined on a biological basis than a sociological or psychological basis.
The question then becomes, in your opinion, what is the point in which a spectrum shifts from male to female or female to male?
Actually a pretty solid point you made. I like the way you put it. Well done, Upvote this shit
@@dankpanda919 the point you're looking for is, when they have a penis or a vagina. Those are the points on the spectrum that defines male or female.
well put
Has Ben never heard of Eugenics? This is the exact reason it's important to be careful what kind of research you do, what conclusions you draw, and which politicians might misconstrue them
😂😂😂😂 I never see a scientist doge question so good. Neil can be a politic
it's nice to have people sit down and have a meaningful conversation instead of brainless arguing. we need more of this in society.
What video did you watch? Because all I saw was ben interrupting neil and speaking over while claiming neil was an authoritarian for disagreeing with him.
Sound like you part of the problem because science teaches for facts that it's just male in female..😂😂😂😂 All these feelings about what you think you are is no different then a psychopath thinking he can do what he does.
Exactly! Both Neil and Ben are awesome here. I wish main stream media would pick up on this. One of the most import lines to me was Neil saying to Ben, “No, tell me I don’t know.” How often do you see someone say that? I disagree with the take that Ben is interrupting Neil. It’s Ben’s show he’s simply hosting his show. It’s his job to drive the discussion in that way. I’m generally not a fan of Ben but I think both guys do an excellent job here. These are the conversations we need to see a lot more of.
@@gutterpoprecords5595 So it's not interrupting if it's your own show? Last time I check being the host doesn't mean you can ignore basic etiquette.
Vocês são burros. Não conseguem ver através das artimanhas de um sofista. Neil é um mentiroso, um sofista, as palavras doces são a expressão de sua mentira. Ele não está preocupado com a verdade, ele está preocupado em parecer que ganhou um debate. E aí nega a ciência óbvia e a realidade. Não tem como um cientista negar a realidade, é contraditório, Neil faz isso o tempo todo, o mais escroto e que ele chama e se apoia em ciência teorias que não podem ser verificadas, mas um fato, como pênis e vagina, ele nega veementemente e finge que o problema é apenas particular de adultos, mas o problema é ontológico.
It’s terrible cringe watching him squirm around the obvious
That’s what I was thinking , so hard to watch
In Cosmos he used to herald the bravery of Galileo, who told the truth about scientific reality despite persecution and ultimately execution. And now Neil has a chance to fight against the new orthodoxy but instead he chooses to just stay out of the fight, and if pressed further then he just acquiesces to the “church” of the Left.
@@davidswanson5669 well said, I also think our time is a repeat of Ancient Greece in a lot of ways
what was he squirming around?
@@kiwiman358 fellas like you we call shite in the bucket
The difference in Talking speed is hilarious
You can't equate men and women in sports by simply counting hormone levels. Success in sports depends on more than just hormones. Men have different physiology, body proportions, arm lengths, and shoulder widths. They don't have a uterus and other female organs. Their center of gravity is also positioned differently. All these factors affect how successful a person is in sports. Merely counting someone's hormones doesn't equate people.
truth is, human beings will always have physical attributes that set each other apart, michael phelps has a lot of biological advantages that help him be such a great swimmer but does that mean he shouldn’t compete? things like center of gravity really don’t mean much in the grand scheme of things
This is EXACTLY why theology, religion and philosophy are separate disciplines from the other sciences.
Philosophy is not science
@@patrikpetersson9742 Agreed. Thank God!
@@keeroe2020 But keep in mind, whenever scientists are talking about how science should work, (what constitutes the scientific method etc) they're doing philosophy. Not science. So philosophy has an important role.
@@patrikpetersson9742 "Philosophy is not science." Agreed, but as a separate discipline it is in no way inferior to other disciplines. The other social sciences provide necessary scaffolding and perspective to "hard" science.
The study of humans is at least as important, albeit they are much less predictable than the laws of physics. Not all things are reducible to the scientific method.
@@keeroe2020 I agree with you. Thats what i said on my latter comment.
If scientists Sound like poloticians while dancing around questions is a Bad bad sign
He's always been a bad example as a real scientist.
@@Nate-bn5kkist yea I guess. But he is the closest thing to a real scientists that many people ever hear so it's probably worse
@@bananaquark1164 He gives his personal opinion too much, that's why the media love's him. I've seen him give some pretty liberal opinions before, so I don't understand why Ben was expecting validation from Neil by bringing him on his show. I will give him this tho, Neil has improved when it comes to listening to the host and giving a chance to speak.
Musk would just say it. NDT will tiptoe around wokism.
Yes he’s a baddy 😈
It’s amazing to see even kneeling to the pressure to speak “accordingly””. He tried to not be emphatic on talking about plain scientific truth. He dodges direct simple questions, which is not his usual. Sometimes he responds asking a question as if they should not even be talking about this, but well….they are.