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Dan Grieve fixes his long game with top coach!
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Many of you will have seen me play short game shots, but not everyone has seen my full swing! In this video, top American golf coach Jake Gilmer gives me a much needed golf lesson to help me shoot the lowest scores I can!
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The wedge machine IS human after all! Golf is hard! Love the vids...
He is an unbelievable snooker player! I think it is his natural talent.
What fun!!! Dan’s self flagellation on his long game is what I’ve been personally going through … his openness about his problems demonstrates brilliantly the level of humility we all need to get help and improve
I'm a little disappointed. I thought Dan literally only played with a 52, 56, and 60. 😂
The fact we get to watch this for free is incredible. Thank you Dan! Going to have to get your book to show appreciation for all of your free content! Sending love from Australia 🇦🇺
Said the same thing 😂😂😂
Great session! I think we can all relate to the questions you've asked. Jake did a great job of explaining the little details and answering the "why" questions.
I went out today after watching this Dan. And I worked on getting more depth out in the back swing! and wow I could feel the shallowing feeling being easier thanks bro! much love from New Zealand and shout out for Jake calling out our little country 🤙🇳🇿
This is the most amazing golf lesson ever. There are so many gold nuggets for the common faults of most amateurs. Thanks for sharing
2 brilliant guys...
Setup: pinch shoulders via scapula to take round out of upper back which neutralizes spine and allows pure rotation. See Axys golf by Eric Kaplan.
Speed: some power work needed every 4 days to maintain or gain. Twice a week for 10-15 with driver and speed monitoring.
Love recent 3 Releases purchase. Had my worst iron day, 1 GIR, after working on release 2 and pitching. Definitely need to separate long and short game.
Marcus Bell at GRF could help with ground forces and reducing slide.
Me attempting to help a golf pro via YT comments. 😂
What a fantastic idea for a video. I'm sure I speak for many people when I say that we often watch you make it look so effortless from video to video. This really puts into perspective how hard this game really is.
I've had the pleasure of working with Jake online and he's a great coach. Listened to things I wanted in my swing and worked with me to my most consistent place.
How do I find this coach Jake?
Hi Dan, just want to say THANK YOU for this video. I’ve been golfing 11 months now and last 2 months or so really focusing on my short game.
As a result have let my long game slip and really struggled with coming over the top, to the point I just couldn’t stop topping the ball.
After watching this video I’d already had a round of golf booked the following day with friends, and the first time in my golfing hobby, I broke 100! I nearly broke 90 with a score of 92. Usually I’m hitting 125 shots.
Since slowing down, getting back fully to the target and making sure the clubs behind me has been an absolute game changer.
This was a video I didn’t know I needed. Thanks so much and looking forward to seeing how you get on with your long game!
Hi Dan,
Consider this: As you said, you tend to get your arms out early, away from your body and steep. Along with everything Jake said, experiment with this - Once we’re at “the top” of the swing it’s easy to shift left and simultaneously begin to rotate the upper body (since shifting left makes the pelvis rotate and likewise the upper body). This can lead to your arms getting out away from your body because stopping at the top and then shifting left leads to the arms wanting to separate from the body due to centrifugal force. If at the top of the swing you make a conscious effort to slightly “continue swinging back” with your arms/upper body at the same instant the shift/transition begins, the arms will stay close to your body and lower. It even makes the transition easier because weight closer to the body is easier to rotate than weight farther away. This, of course, is the concept of the lower body starting down while the upper body finishes the backswing. This might also help with your problem.
@Dan - what a legend you are!!! Thanks for sharing this! With wisdom comes humilit! You are a great example!
This is an excellent lesson. Precious insight to the learning process 👍
Loved this video Dan! Love that you were vulnerable and shared your struggles with the long game - so refreshing and nice to see that a pro has some similar struggles.
Re Jake's reply to 'how long will it take to ingrain this new movement', I've read a lot about this and the consensus seems to be:
- around 3,000 repetitions of the new movement, so long as
- you swing at about half your normal speed
- your practice sessions are focused (no music or podcasts or distractions)
- before each shot at the range, do 3-4 super slow rehearsals (these count as reps)
- to start with, practice the new movement with a wedge or 9 iron, then after a while transition to an 8 or 7 iron. If you struggle with the 8 or 7 iron, move back to a wedge to get the movement right again
- you have a check in with your coach after every 5 or so practice sessions to make sure you haven't reverted back to your old movement pattern
If you're hitting 30 balls per day, with 3-4 rehearsals per shot (ie 100 reps per day), then you'll get the new movement in around 30 days.
If you're practicing every second day, then you'll have it 60 days.
Etc
So in summary, for a new movement,
- expect it to take 3 months for the average person
- expect to hit one out of every 5 shots clean to begin with, then over time it will move to 3 out of 5 then 4 out of 5
- swing at 50% speed max
Love this 1 on 1. And so much of Dan's issuesare mine with my long game and most of the gold info has helped add value to the mysteries of the swing and how I can make small but valuable instant feedback and what to analyse knowing what I have learned from Jakes expert years of experiences. Now I have a reference point I can make small adjustments to my swing. Thanx Dan that was awesome.
Fantastic. Listening to two pro's talking about fixing something as opposed to a pro teaching an amateur are worlds apart. Dan completely got everything Jake was saying instantly. Such amazing swing IQ. Brilliant.
wow this is exactly what was going on with me. short game hands started to creep into my long game!
Two great teachers. Thank you both of you for taking the time to make this....❤❤❤❤❤
Fantastic video in humility. There are many pros that will never admit to their own misplays. Cudos Dan!
Honest and humble for all skill levels of golfers to comfortably interact with.
The predicament is somewhat reminiscent of Dan Pohl’s, one of the the longest hitter on tour but lacked finesse, decided to work on his short games but allowed the elements to temporarily creep into, affect and weaken the ingrined full swings
Thank god and Dan for this , just what I needed. Having loads of issues with my iron play. 🙉👏👏👏👏👏
You have really helped me with you short game videos
Literally described every single one of the faults in my swing and how I’ve tried to fix them but in one coherent narrative. Amazing.
When you were talking about the downswing rotation w the left hip turning back, I was always taught that but seeing it here where your doing it in slow motion, for me, i had a lightbulb moment n correct if im wrong but its like your leaving the right hip where it is after you make your backwsing n on the downswing your turning your left hip back to match where your right is, I can see n understand now, how the club shallows automatically but also I can see more room for your arms n hands to drop the club into the right position at impact n it stops that early extension where there is no room to drop the club at impact.
I have the same back swing so this video was great n I now have a different swing thought.
From the top of my backswing, leave my right hip back, then turn my left hip back to level my right n just turn.
Thanks again Dan.. all the best w your swing n hope your playing well soon.
Thanks again 👍😎
Hi Dan. I'm a teaching pro here in Canada. You have helped me with my short game, so I am going to return the favour and help you with your long game. You say you are curving the ball too much? ..and you want to hit the ball straight ... here is the main key to straight ball flight.....
**Whenever the shaft is level to the floor... it should be parallel to the target line.**
It is no different in principle than that of the short game... you have to firstly work the tool properly. Yes. To have straight ball flight that flies straight to your target.... your path and clubface have to be zero'd out...or as close as you can to zero'd.
This level/parallel orientation creates a swing that is on plane, AND that plane is aligned to your target line. This shaft orientation happens 5 times during a "model golf swing" (providing you get to parallel at the top of backswing) and will create a zero'd path
You don't have to worry yourself with making changes with you body motions right now...other than to get the shaft in the 5 level/parallel orientation positions. Let your body motion/grip adjust to the intention of getting the shaft parallel to target whenever it is level to the floor. Once you are consistent with swinging the tool in the correct orientation... then you can work on body motion to increase power and improve strike etc. while maintaining the level/parallel rule.
Everyone swings the club a little differently, so there is no one way for the body to do it's bit... but for the ball to go straight, consistently, the club path/face has to be zero'd. That is a non negotiable... It doesn't matter how the body achieves that.
Here is a great drill that will provide instant feedback.
**The Wall of Doom drill **
Equip yourself with a 6 or 7 iron.
Stand with your heels about 6-8 inches from a wall, where you can safely swing a club. Start doing this drill slowly and increase speed until you can do it at full swing speed.
-Swing to the top without hitting the wall... then swing thru to your finish position without hitting the wall. ( keeping in mind the 5 times level/parallel concept. )
OK Dan.. Give this a go, and you will be hitting it straight as a laser almost immediately. Cheers.
You've penned down your explanation very well.
While not all 5 but I'm conscious of the level position at takeaway and prior delivery. Sometimes, I also intentionally angle the level shaft position esp at delivery to curve the ball left or right when required. It works brilliantly. Even with my flippy release, my fairway percentage is close to 70%. However, its the pureness of strike that lets me down with a +/- on the yardage. I guess Dan's video here can help more with consistent strikes.
….well John Erickson talks about a 4:30 line where the club at third parallel is pointed at 4:30 where the target line is 3:00. Your first few sentences say when the club is level with ground that it should be pointing at 3:00. How could one hit from inside from 3:00 on third parallel?? …😳
@@cdunne1620 You are not hitting from the inside though . You are hitting down the line at 3 oclock. ... the clubhead path into the ball will follow where that shaft is pointing at third parallel, and releasing it at the target (9 oclock) ...if your intention is hitting a straight ball. It is a falsehood that it is "impossible" to do consistently. It is no more difficult to learn how to do than learning how to hit consistently from say 3* from the inside with a 1.5 closed face. to hit a little draw. I would even claim it is easier to teach someone to hit a straight ball consistently, than it is to teach them to hit a 5 yard draw consistently. It's all about training to do it.
Amazing video lesson, thank you for sharing this. I am presently working on all the same things with my own swing and reinforced that my golf coach and I are definitely on the right track. Jake’s explanations really cut through, I can appreciate why Jake is a top coach, once again thank you to both Dan and Jake
This was great to watch. Thanks to both of you for putting this together.
This is really great!!!!! Thank you!!!
Hi D, Rob here from australia, tennis coach 37 years, golf for fun 7 handicap, from a coaching perspective it's amazing how we can get so sophisticated in our thinking and overlook the simple.
It seems to me grip wise, if you persevere with the neutral grip 2 knuckles, which I would consider not weak but very standard, your flippy release will soon calm down or quiet down, that alone would stop so much left, right dispersion, hold on right, flip will go left, Nicklaus idea of reflexive wrists. Just my idea obviously, all the best.
Absolutely golden vlog, great back and forth and a well delivered instruction from Jake🏌️♂️👍
Lots of insightful information here! Love the whole video, especially when it involved grip and take away. I got the book too - because of your videos. Cheers!
Dan asked so many questions I worry about with every single swing. Thank you so much Dan 🙏🏽
This is what I am trying to do with my swing. So informative and precious.😊
This video totally resonated with me, and I’ve learned through Dans reveals on how to express the thoughts and feelings for people who are helping me. I can’t actively shallow either, so the deeper position of backswing at transition is something I’ll work on too.
Please keep us up to date on your progress.
How can I get a lesson from Jake?... tbh feels like I've just had one. Amazing coach! Thanks for posting
Major props for a coach to get lessons. A suggestion is just mention the accuracy problem and skip the self diagnosis, which would cloud the judgement of the coach who’s going to help you.
Nah this right here is just a goldmine of a video. Dan my dude. Another awesome video. I felt that part where the tripod got knocked over. you are not alone. Drywall hates me and the feeling is mutual.
A lot of this very familiar! I learnt from Hogan's book and had a flatter/deeper/weaker grip swing. As my hcp went low and I started competing I went in search of speed - stronger grip more wrist hinge/more speed /more vertical backswing. Really hasn't done me much good and such variable strikes. I'd rather go back to more what you are doing here and stay mindful of not getting to flat again- at least then I can strike the ball. Really great to see you getting a lesson. Very insightful!
This is a fantastic lesson from jake. I have the same moves as you Dan and this has really made me understand what I need to do. I will definitely be taking this to the range to work on the rotation move.
This is one of the most informative sessions (for me ) that I've watched. Thank you !!
Looking forward to seeing the series and where that leads to! Good luck Dan!
Great instruction and explaination of the golf swing. Thank you for sharing, that simpler swing method has really helped my game.
What a fantastic lesson, so much to take away from this.
Thank you for sharing this very insightful lesson with us, much appreciated! Also, Jake feels like a wonderful contemporary fusion of golf and Frank Zappa - fantastically articulated advice!
What a great video! All the same issues I am dealing with with rolling forearm takeaways, steep and early extension, two way miss and thin shots. Love the drills and the simplicity of how to feel them. Great to watch a lesson with a student who has such insightful questions as he is a teacher himself. I think the pro sendr device might be a good addition to maintain that right wrist extension he wanted and then just rotate through. Will watch this again soon, putting some of these drills into practice tomorrow. I am guilty donthe racking balls at the range the the 5 balls per swing thought suggestion is great! Cent wait for the followup video
Dan nought your book and watch your videos. Your short game teaching has been a revelation.
This is so spot on video matching my issues just like Dan’s. Thank you guys
Thanks for the video Dan. This is my golf swing in a nutshell apart from I’ve got a weaker left hand grip. This video will help me enormously I’m sure of it.
This is a great video Dan.
Very informative & Jake explains each situation so clearly. 👍
Dan let him talk lol.
You talk talk talk about what is wrong. We DONT want to know that. You’re the world record TALKER , shut it !
A great insight to how a professional lesson should go and what it should achieve 👍. Looking forward to the 2 week progress lesson
i could have said your introduction word for word. sounds like my swing. Something that has stuck with me from my coach is what you want to do with the ball will dictate the grip, stance, alignment & swing plane.
I know you said you down want a big reset but I think you need an iron pre shot routine based on what flight you want to see the ball take.
No point in asking if a certain grip is ok, get a good pre shot routine
I'm surprised he just jumped into swing mechanics instead of how you should set up
thank you for sharing dan. love your stuff
Great video Dan and Jake, this is my problem, I’m going to work on this take away and hopefully get rid of my steep down swing. Thanks guys.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is your left hand grip too much in the palm?? It looks like it for sure.
Great video Dan lots of great points I can use and help. Thanks.
LOL 23:27 he saw it was as I did, NOT IN THE FINGERS! Was your distance suffering? 26:03 still too much in the Palm.
First lesson I ever got was "In the fingers" from the second straightest hitter in the history in the PGA.
I will have to watch this later on.
My EXCELLENT Short Game has worked its way through my Bag all the way up into Driver.
Very good. I look forward to watching the progression.
Thanks for sharing Dan, great video 🏌️♂️👍
Dan, this is for you and for Jake: If you're doing what he taught and you see the ball start straight at your target, but then curve left more and more, what's the likely cause and what can you tinker with to fix that?
fantastic Dan & Jake took away a lot from this 👏👏👍
Hi Dan, hope you’re keeping well?.
I have hip slide issues, two thoughts that are helping my game. ‘Exaggerated feeling like swinging left 45 deg to target on through swing, face control as a fade. Also a feeling of the left leg pushing from the ground/ foot away from target into the hip socket helps my old hips turn and restricts my slide. Good luck with the long game. Always a pleasure to watch your videos. 👍
I always wanted to hear about your iron and driver play. Being that you are such a good short game coach I am sure you have some great insights into the rest of the game!
To continue ... This is a talkathon. You are going to send us "amateurs" into therapy!
Thanks Dan and Jake-really great video
GREAT video, very insightful 🔝
Can we see the next stage after Dans practice.
Brilliant thanks
This is just pure gold🤘😎
Dan always talks over everyone and butts in 😂
I'm exactly the same. I'm good with wedges but naturally over the top and tend to pull everything
I have finally come to the conclusion after years of playing that you need a different swing for every aspect . You need a pitching swing , Iron swing and driver swing . Then putting etc . LOL
Very interesting!
Is it worth having different grips (the runner bit on the club, not the hands) for wedges versus long game clubs... some different texture or size or feel which might trigger different mechanics?
Outstanding, best of luck Dan, you got it, you're definitely an Athlete with a great mind.Try not to go back to comfortable. stay stern.
Great lesson! Love Dans short game lesson. Funny enough, I was thinking the other day if any of Dans short game pointers translate to the full swing? Minus the wrist releases 2 and 3? For some reason, the laid off right hand feel/position at the top of the backswing, my brain thinks this is a moment of weakness and I can't seem to move past this. But a lot of teachers seem to emphasize this.
This is my swing and my two-way misses. Will try this.👍
Great video, I’m a good driver of the golf ball and hit solid irons but I struggle tremendously with lob shots and release 3 it feels counterintuitive if that makes any sense! Thanks Dan
I dropped a comment to you a few months ago, about downward pressure at set up,and your response was not becoming of a great teaching pro, after hearing you talking and your understanding of basic movement has made more sense to me about your response to my comment. At this time i am refraining from mentioning the greats i learned from in short game,because this video speaks volumes.played at woburn in the BRITISH in the late 80s and early 90s Think you were still at school then. ahhahahaha THE STANDARD OF SHORT GAME ON TOUR IS NOT AS GOOD AS IN MY DAYS.....FACT!
Thanks. No need for the cryptic comments though! And I have spent hundreds of hours on pressure plates so I know pressure inside out.
Just email me, rather than comment on here.
I can’t answer all messages myself (this one is from me) as I get thousands every day. And I totally agree, short game isn’t as good as the 80’s and 90’s. I think the ball has something to do with it and prolific use of lob wedges.
@@DanGrieveGolf Thanks for your kind reply, for sure i will get in touch. i will clarify my cryptic comments. hahaha Tiger and collin Morikawa were doing a short game session on you tube, Tiger mentioned always working the ball,collin asked how many people does Tiger know who does that, he said Ole and Seve thats what i mean about skill level,to me its a basic of short game. just a little insight into my mind set.
Surprised your long game problems are so similar to mine! ATB Paul R.
very relatable video, the only thing i do differently is hold the club face open instead of the flip. ++
Wow, that was hard to watch.
This was a pretty tough tug-o-war between the student and teacher.
If this was in person, there would be no way he'd let his student continue to make so many swings while he's speaking.
The student wouldn't stop hitting balls and the teacher was unable to slow him down. He had no choice, but to match him with energy and more information.
The ‘student’ here 😂 Some moaning I didn’t hit enough, some moan I hit too many. 😂😂 Was just two friends talking golf online.
I have the identical problem that Dan is working on. I am going to try out his drill with 3 points to keep in mind.
I've actually experimented with release 2 on my driver and it hits BOMBS. But it's a little high and floaty so I don't use it on the course all the time however I think the demonization of "flippy" golf swings is hurting too many players
My pro just gave me the exact same example of my miss….just a shame my short game isn’t as classy as yours Dan!
I was just waiting for the club to go into the ceiling fan!
Great insight
Tangible tips for a common problem. Plus, I learned a fortnight is a period of two weeks.
Don’t get me wrong, the guest coach knows his shiz, but he is NOT a CZcams coach. Thank heavens Dan was there to translate and bring him back and get a clear answer.
Kinda funny that the flip release could have the same fix that Dan uses with his students: make sure to turn through impact and into the follow through!
Awesome stuff Dan
Dan I am interested in your experience in doing on-line coaching. I have never done it but I am thinking of changing coach which opens up the possibility of on-line coaching. I would really appreciate your advice.
How did you find these changes felt and any improvements you found on the course?
What a fantastic video Dan. This is exactly what my coach is getting me to do. Seeing it instead of being told has made everything fall into place. Can’t wait to get out there and play 🏌️♂️
Great idea for a video!
Fair play to Dan for showing this, would have been much easier to have not divulged this, as a top teaching pro.
A steep down swing can be a derivative of an excessive right alignment
Then I absolutely love your short game stuff! Jake does make a lot of really good points here as well. It seems to me that just like when you educate golfers with the short game I think the only thing that's really kind of missing in your brain instead of all what your hips are doing in your shoulders and sinking up in your release and all this other stuff I honestly think you have to learn about your feet. I mean specifically! Where are you loading and unloading your feet and how are you loading and unloading your feet. I legitimately think that would solve the majority of your issues!
"loading and unloading your feet " WTF does that even mean ? I have no doubt it is brilliant to you but what on earth are you even talking about
@@pjpredhomme7699 what I mean is how are you using the ground! which part of your feet is absorbing the weight which direction are your feet pushing or pulling? it's a very significant piece of the puzzle in the golf swing. Definitely worth your time to learn that