M2 Silicon - How Apple DESTROYED Intel i5... Again!
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đ€ M2 MacBook Air tempting you, or waiting on new, full-on M2 Pros?
MacBook Air with M2 all the way! Is more than enough for an average user!
Very tempted.
Love the deep dives, especially about ïŁż silicon.
Same here. Canât wait for him to dig into the graphics more
Howâd you do that apple icon?
@@NateFord copy and paste it from a source.
@@NateFord copy it, set your phone to replace Apple or Appel with ïŁż
@@NateFord 'Option-a' on a Mac's keyboard.
Your presenations have become so much better and relaxed compared to a year ago! Practice makes perfect⊠congratulations!
yep. the breathless ten line sentences have gone. yay!
ThanksâŠI continue to enjoy and appreciate content in this direction. Blessings on your day.
Rene⊠I always enjoy your breakdowns. Looking forward to more videos.đŻ
As soon as the M2 was announced I couldn't wait for this video. Thanks as always Rene!!
No one explains this stuff to a granular level like you Renee. I donât know as much as you do about silicon but you explain it well enough that it makes logical sense. Canât wait to see if and when Apple Silicon will hit the walls of physics and how they decide to solve that problem as well. Itâs a great time to be alive Renee, thanks for all you do!!!
Always so informative and sheds light on the validity or not of peopleâs complaints about whether the new whatever is a slight bump up of the old or real improvement.
Always appreciate that you consistently come through with the most thorough and detailed videos.
Wow, I have little idea of what you said, but I loved it. I think my take-a-way is that Apple is doing straight-forward quality design that best suits each product to ensure it performs optimally. I really don't need to know how it works, but I m so glad you do and you have the patience to try to explain it to me. Thanks Rene.
Your first sentence: same hahah
Itâs more then that tbh
Great vid. It's so refreshing to have a clear and concise explanation of the M2 chip rather than all these other videos that think how it will perform is based on geek bench numbers combined with healthy doses of what Apple is "failing" to tell us. Every time I facepalm myself watching those videos, I'm going to post a link to this video so these so-called "tech reviewers" can learn something.
Iâm looking forward to getting an M2 Air. Good video!
I've had my M2 Air since two weeks after launch. Such an amazing machine that fits my needs as an Economics student perfectly. I use excel and specialized modeling software frequently, and this device handles any size file like a champ.
Youâre not only my favorite Apple information channel, but youâre the only one I really trust. Thank you for everything to do!
Love the long vids!
Good stuff, Rene!
This was extremely helpful. Thank you.
Thanks for yet another awesome video!
Thanks Rene, excellent walkthrough of M2.
So far one of the best review I seen and I seen a lot đ keep up the good work loving your content
I love it when you take a deep dive and talk nerdy. Too many channels only go superficial with their information.
Amazing and super detailed!
Probably one of the videos I anticipated the most this week. Canât wait to hear what you have to say.
For some reason, I tend to play "guess the sponsor by the segue" game by the time it almost hits. Haha!
Well done analysis, thank you Ritchie - subscribed! :)
Rene is my go to for cravings of tech deep dives.
Just EXCELLENT video. â€
The M2 feels more like a stop-gap processor as there are already rumors that the M2 Pro and Max will come in 3nm architecture.
Actually, Apple got one thing right: that transistors are NOT getting faster, only cheaper and slightly smaller. Therefore, what matters is efficient architecture (ARM) and specialized silicon (they neglected software part, but... ). M1 was was a bombshell and now Apple is for both technical, marketing and organisational reasons ( people departure from Apple Silicon Team ) had settled for one architecture rest of the decade and will just attack the problem using node size + memory bandwidth.
Omg this is a wayyy better vid than Maxtechâs âIs M2 a disappointment?â Video
God damn those ad transitions are so smooth every time
RIP anandtech deep dives.
Seriously! They need to fund AnandTech to the moon!
Fantastic job thanks!
This man is so informative. I learned more in this video than I did in any other tech video. Well done, sir, well done!
Hey Rene! Developer documents and tutorials for Metal 3 mention ray tracing. I havenât had time to dig in to those yet, but it seems Apple is at least building software accelerated RT into Metal 3. Hopefully opens the door for dedicated RT cores (or a version of the neural engine that can do RT) in the greater M2 chips or M3.
Metal is software raytracing. I think nerds are hoping for hardware raytracing in the silicon?
@@ReneRitchie Metal has API's for raytracing to happen concurrently on both CPU and GPU, so it's accelerating things for sure, through software, in hardware. Just use Blender 3.1/3.2 and switch to Metal, use both CPU/GPU concurrently and get a hefty improvement in performance. So it's not quite accurate to say Metal is just software raytracing, it's an API much like CUDA that gives developers access to hardware other than the CPU to run their raytracers on. In fact, Intel has done this with the excellent and widely adopted Embree raytracing libraries that take advantage of SIMD processing units within modern CPUs (these have been ported to M1 which has NEON SIMD units). These don't get a lot of attention but have been significant in the 3D arena.
But yes, I would agree that Apple would be wise to develop specific circuitry for handing raytrace operations, much like NVIDIA has with RTX. But even RT cores need a "software raytracing" API akin to Metal to get them to work.
@@christopher3d475 They need to if they want to break into the rendering scene as Nvidia's Optix absolutely slaughters Apple's GPU no batter which RTX card it is. It would help a ton and probably entice many 3D artist to switch or use their mac for that job
I think im too stupid to comment here but thanks for the deep dive Rene! đł
@@ReneRitchie yeah. I think the secret sauce for apple lies in the neural engine instead of trying to fit another cluster of cores on the SoC. âNeural engine proâ?
Supporting multiple 8K ProRes streams but not 2 sceeens is an incredibly weird choice.
Great explanation.
You mentioned two Thunderbolt controllers. Comparing the M1, did it also have two TB controllers? Were the two TB ports controlled by one or two TB controllers? One my M1 MBA, I can only connect one TB bus-powered external drive at a time. Does the M2 allow two TB bus-powered external drives to be connected at the same time (I assume nobody know this yet but when you get an M2 MBA, please check this along with R/W issues on external drives.). I am also hoping Apple fixed the poor TB external drive write speed. Some of this depends on the external drive controller but everyone with an M1 MBA knows write speed sucks (basically TB2 speed) while read speed is very nice. I have a 1TB TB drive attached to my MBA's lid to handle the data storage my 512GB internal doesn't handle. My next Mac will definitely be purchased with more internal storage even thought it costs more than external storage. What I'd really love to see is a unified memory port for specialized Apple storage that extends the internal storage with at least 60% of the internal storage speed. This would be faster than any TB3/4 connected storage on the market today.
is like upgradable DRAM slots to enhance the Universal Memory at a lower performance and lower price. but i doubt that Apple cares about us and considers it a non-profitable direction. Looking us into Apple Tax is the way they want to go.
This is for any Apple programmers. Can you directly code for the Apple neural engine? Like run tensorflow on the npu instead of letting the laptop decide if it wants to use the gpu or npu
@11:30 = Which chip is better for my Neural Engine-bound applications: (1) The M2 with its 40% faster NE cores; or (2) The M1 Extreme with its 100% higher number of NE cores?
Hi. Thanks. I have an m1 air. I am videoconferencing with a Sony SV-1 with a cam link. I can only get 1080p out of it. Will the video codec help with VC?
Man you make the smoke just clear out the way
Mac mini m1 or macbook air m2 which one should i get?
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Ha! So great seeing you this week!
Man, Iâm really tempted to buy the M2 Air to replace my M1 Air! It seems like it will have nearly all the the things I need and at a fair price, which causing me to reconsider my plans to upgrade to the M1 Pro MacBook Pro.
The ONLY thing Iâm having to hesitate about, pertaining to the M2 Air, is the lack of a ProMotion display, which is a function feature that means a lot to me since my laptop is where I get the entirety of my entertainment from (besides my iPhone). I donât really need any of the other Pro specs of the M1 Pro MacBook Pro.
However, the price difference is mighty, and Iâm not sure I can justify spending $1500ish more for that amazing display panel and the legacy ports.
Dang it, I donât know what to do!
Tip: wait until the reviews.
oh, it took me a few minutes to realise that the entire video was a promotional video for the M2, not really an analysis of its features hahaha
Thanks Rene
l still have the 2012 mbpr 15", the display resolution is sufficient, ie it can fit in the software l use fairly comfortably, of course higher resolution would be nicer. the current mb air M1's resolution screen real estate is insufficient. does the M2 mac air have the same or better screen resolution than my mbpr 2012? if not which macbook will be the same or better screen resolution? thanks!
Rene I think people that analyze the die shots of these chips have counted the SLC size to be 8MB, same as the M1 (and 1/2 even the A14's cache). I think Apple doesn't want to blow up the baseline M-series size when even the new media engine, new E-cores, new memory controller, etc. by themselves increase the die size enough. The M2 has many more features it has to pack than the A15, like all of those things that I mentioned and in addition the 10-bit 6K60 capable display pipe, which as some people have pointed out by itself occupies more space than 2 of the P-cores of the M1 Pro.
I think the M-series will eventually get the big SLC sizes of the A-series though. Apple just needs more transistor budget, which they didn't have much of this time around and already have to increase the die size by 25%.
Consequently, I wouldn't expect the same efficiency increases that we got with the A15, at least not identical gains, unless the new LPDDR5 memory is that much more efficient (at least the DRAM modules themselves, not the memory controller).
M2 uses the same 5nm process as M1. M3 will apparently switch to new 3nm process, which will result in major improvements.
how do you know if they use 12 & 12 gb RAM or 16 & 8 gb RAM?
Hi Rene, how does m2 compare to m1 pro?
will the M2 iPad Pro have the 24gb ram option?
it would be a lot more convenient if they released the entire lineup of chips at once (M2 along with the Pro/Max/Ultra variants)
they have small teams at Apple. itâs part of the culture. staggering allows them to work on one SoC at a time, and also for all the production line roll out to be staggered. it makes commercial sense even if itâs frustrating for us as consumers.
Amazing how much traditional motherboard features can be squeezed onto one chip. I would love to see a M2 chip in an Apple Watch but that probably will never happen. đ
Happy to see this kind of video regarding Apple's history and strategy for its silicon. Intelligent and clear explanations.
Otherwise probably some errors: ram or DRAM is the only component of the motherboard that has not been integrated into the die (as you said at the beginning of the video) but nearby, on the same package.
The SLC cache of the M1 and M2 is the same i.e. 8MB. So I think that talking about the "16 to 32MB SLC improvement" which concerns A14 to the A15 is misleading when you talk about M2 specifications.
And a last point the M1 does not use LPDDR4 memory but the next generation the real LPDDR4x used.
This is a damn good video.
The 8k h.264 on the m2 is a clue to the chip on the iPhone 14.
The part with the external Monitor support is a massive disappointment⊠this device starts at 1400⏠it should be included. I donât want apple to dictate what pro or non pros do. Especially since the m1pro supports it
especially when Apple are prohibiting it in firmware/software, the hardware especially with full options on cores and Universal memory can drive six monitors.
Why is it so expensive in Europe?? In the us it starts at 1200
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EXCELLENT!!!
What do you think about MaxTech video about the M2?
excellent eplanation
Apple actively avoids processors the scaling in their processors that infringes their power to performance ratio. You see intel alder lake has processors that has 15 watt 14 core mobile and 155 watt 16 core desktop. But 2 performance cores donât do the same performance difference compared to their power. Apple keeps avoiding this, probably the main source of appleâs scalable architecture philosophy that gives both high performance and high efficiency. They always designs their cpu and gpu to be as power efficient and powerful at the same time and rarely changes their power usage and frequency but rather make wider cores and add more powerful but efficient cores.
These are good video's instead of al the other apple youtubers with iphone 14 guesses / rumors
Thanks so much!
I miss your Apple reviews and knowledgeable videos like this one. Losing you as a full-time CZcamsr was a real blow to the Macintosh community.
I ran a video export test in fcpx comparing the 14 inch m1pro with the new m2 and m1pro is almost twice as fast!!
I was keen to get a m1 device but the lack of media engine was a deal breaker leaning me towards M1 pro. M2 changes that now with it bring added plus the benefit of a more powerful Neural Engine which helps with AI upscale apps. So technically m2 is the better choice for my use caseâs and budget
On my M1 MacBook Air, I have a problem with opening tabs in any browser. Iâm a recruiter so sometimes I will be looking at maybe 15 or 20 profiles and itâs enough to really bogged down my machine. Iâm now having to look at a pretty decent pro model, not the stupid new one with the Touch Bar, to try and increase my work efficiency. It would be really nice if the new air could handle something like that. I do occasionally edit 4K video in Davinci resolve which works great. However, I Lightroom is also freaking slow on my M1 MacBook Air. So, I canât wait for you to get your hands on one of these and if you donât mind doing multiple tabs and playing with light room it would be appreciated. :)
Yes, with intensive browser workloads 16GB is the min for the best experience, maybe 24GB on the MB Pro 13 M2. Buying for your workflow is the thing. I only got 8GB as my usage is relatively light, but with 20 tabs I would def never have got 8GB and maybe even 32GB of the MB Pro 14.
Interesting, I also use my M1 MBA for work... I don't feel it slowing down with 20 tabs which I have opened daily
safari and firefox (let alone chrome!) murder the RAM storage and therefore the screen rendering and everything else.
Lightroom is all CPU.
There is also a new 13" M2 MBP, is it worth buying? How is it compare to the 13" M1 MBP? Can you also do a deep dive on it?
If they are the same price get the M2, if the M1 you can get used for a few $100 cheaper go M1. The difference is not very big.
The 13â M2 MBP is the same price as the M2 MBA for comparable specs. You get active cooling and a Touch Bar but lose the better webcam (and screen?) of the redesigned Air.
All I need to know is will M2 really take advantage of software like Maya, Zbrush and Houdini for 3D artist? Iâm trying to decide between building another pc or wait for the pro and max versions of m2.
By the time it does, M3 will be out. Don't buy new products and expect great support right away.
It depends on those companies I would imagine. Ask them, they might answer you.
Depends on which software you use, I used blender on my friends M1 Mac and it litreally files, amazing performance for a laptop with 8 gigs RAM.
Stick to the pc and purchase O.S at lest your own your products you make , read apple tiny weeny small print in t and c on leasing the mac product, Its an education in use of leasing laws, and who just will own the clouds rights on innovation of your work if it works and you hit big time,
Yeah, about 07:40 having a goosed performance under the hood of old architecture or rooster in the front makes for an easier choice.
I'm wondering if this has a design for 2 sides to join to get 4 M2 Max combined into a single 2x2 chip. I would imagine there is a bit of space for more performance cores when they get to that as well. So then you end up with 48 performance and 8 efficiency... That would be a Mac Pro for sure.
Haave Apple have invented the Transputer. (rectcon), and I was thinking the same thing, is the M2 bus topology supportive of lashing these things together in an extended 2+ array, because it seems that's what needs to happen in order to push out beyond the MAX
@@logtothebase2 It could be they will simply go sockets too. But I'd guess they at least cram in 2 more performance cores per Max/Pro.
I have to disagree with your analysis of why Apple have not utilized Thunderbolt 4 external ports. I believe they have intentionally used the lower spec, increasingly obsolescent Thunderbolt 4, port in order to upswell people to the more expensive, higher profit margin product.
i think you meant they stick with TB3 but i agree that it was for marketing reasons not any issues about the hardware not being able to drive it or people wanting TB4 and two monitors.
*The M2 doesn't have prores raw decoders right? Only lossy prores decoders.*
Actually A15, M2, M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra can decode and encode both ProRes 422 and ProRes RAW.
I had to kick this up to 1.25 speed. You normally speak faster.
What will come of those encode/decode for non video use? Just unused die? Seems odd for Apple. Future use for games/VR?
He always does the best segways
Switching from my intel mbp to m1 I was already like âwtfâ @ battery life and performance ( on battery)
In my opinion the reason the M2 only supports one external display like the M1 is because of how capable it is. The M2 is relatively speaking affordable. Which means proâs wonât upgrade from it unless there are dealbreakers. More than one external display is just one of those things. Itâs simply to prevent self-cannibalisation. For example many proâs are happy with the M2 air, which can add more displays if you use an adaptor/dock. Apple just wonât allow it natively because of the relatively speaking slim profit margins on the M2 air.
Maybe, but then why the 8K ProRes encoders? Such a strange choice on Apples part.
@@torb-no possibly because they are going to make it a standard feature. Especially if 14 proâs get it this year and maybe all the 15âs the year after. Itâs no good if you canât edit the video you took
@@kushalraj Yeah, but why it *that* a standard feature? Editing 8K video is *such* a niche thing. It's not even clear we'll ever go beyond 4K for video (hell, some *cinema* is still at 1080, granted super high bit rate 1080, but still). Who the hell that's one a ultralight laptop ever wants to efficiently edit 8KâŠ
⊠BUT DO NOT WANT 2 screens?
I mean, if you are editing 8K chances are you're so proffessional that you *do* want two screens.
So strange.
@@torb-no I actually concur with you. In so far as they arenât standard features or needs yet. To be fair they never may be, but what weâve seen with Apple is that they add features based on their pipeline. Maybe Apple plans on revolutionising 8K. They usually add support for big features years ahead to make sure the ecosystem is there to make things a success. If Apple makes 8K video commonplace 3 years from now it would be good to have hardware decoders on macs now. Since Apple likes real time processing. Maybe they might have filters or basic 8K video editing in the photos app. In order to play it they will need decoders and to save the file after editing they need encoders. Most base MacBook users only plug into one display after all. Who knows what apple has planned for the years to come but itâs definitely part of the plan to give the base M2 that feature. Whatâs weird AF is how Low the base storage is. How am I supposed to edit 8K videos on 512GB? Iâll need 1-2Tb at the least. If I keep it for 4 years and want to edit 8K Iâll have to use a thunderbolt 3 drive facepalm đ€Šââïž. My point is itâs unlikely for 8K to be a professional only thing 2-3 years down the road.
@@torb-no because the M2 will be used as a basis for the M2 pro and M2 Max? sounds good in the marketing?
I wonder if apple will ship M2 MBP 14 and 16 inch?
I suspect that the updates (industry wide) are going to be a lot slower here on out. Realistically, I wouldnât be surprised if thereâs only two more die shrinks for the rest of this decade.
Anyone that actually owns a M1pro or Max knows that they can throw literally anything at them and they handle them with ease. M1 was groundbreaking. Everyone wants M2 to be even more groundbreaking and it wonât be. It shouldnât be. Again, if you own one, you know that there really isnât much more performance you can get out of them. If software stays the same, anymore big chip upgrades wonât really even do anything. Plus, I donât want computers to turn into phones - everyone leasing them because they donât want to use them for longer than a couple years. No thanks. Give me solid performance updates every few years, with smaller, minimal gains in between and im good. Despite current marketing/consumerism, there is something to be said about an electronic product that actually hold ups for 5 years and isnât forced into retirement thru âupdatesâ or âchip limitationsââŠ
It's going to be an interesting 12 months for sure!
@@NOT_A_TOP_FANmore powerful computers means you can run software that wasnât possible before. Imagine a smart watch that would warn you before having a severe health condition such as a stroke. Thatâs the type of stuff you get with more powerful electronics. I really want to live in that Star Trek like future, but without more powerful machines it wonât happen.
@@ReneRitchie Iâm really curious about what the next decade will bring.
And then the tech will change. CRT tvs peaked, then there was plasma, then led, then oled, amoled, mini led, etc etc.
Innovation will continue as long as the companies are competing and not conspiring together haha.
that sushi analogy tho
Good grief! The IEEE published a cover obituary for Moore's Law several years ago now. Clock speed is no longer increasing exponentially, and will never again increase exponentially.
How many HE cores do you expect the M2 Pro/Max to have?
to me it really comes down to when the time comes that the software catches up to the hardware. I have an m1 mba running adobe cc and it works very well now that adobe has updated to m1. Other than saying I now have a MBP on a diet Isee no reseason to get an m2. In 3-5 yrs I really feel that the idea of future proofing will not very practical3xcept in very rare cses. I enjoy ghe derp dives and also know we are looking at a 5-10% increase as the high numbers are the tricked out version which al ost puts you at 14â mbp territory.
What's going on with Anandtech? I used to love reading those guys. Are they in some kind of danger of folding? Because that would suck... đ°
I had to pull out the transcript, because I didnât catch the word you were saying-
And the transcriptâŠ
DID NOT catch what were saying either!!
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Oh wellâŠ
Do you think Apple Silicon can peak as soon as M3? I remember the days of Pentium I and then Pentium II and it was abysmal. But then they peaked further ahead
Well, there's huge node shrink for that...
What do you think will happen if apple enables SMT? Do you think Apple will support SMT in the future?
How can you only have 326k subs? That makes no sense! Hopefully the non-techies will catch wind of your knowledge and quickly pick up your sub count Rene!
When you say âperf chartâ, I think itâs time to take a walk in the world.
Not single die, but single package (e.g. RAM uses separate dies)
For everyone complaining that their M1 (or soon to have M2) MacBook Air canât power two external displays, I have one word - DisplayLink. Yes I know, itâs a dongle/hub solution and costs another $100 or so, but just stop your whining, get a dual display USB-C hub and be done with it. Are you really willing to let this very small inconvenience be the hill you die on? (Written with my M1 MacBook Air using the internal display, two external displays and connected to my iPad Pro via Universal Control. Technology is great!)
Donât know if I should get the new m2 MacBook Air, wait for a refurbished 14â MacBook Pro, or wait for an M2 MacBook Pro.
If they continue sown this path, we could expect:
- 48GB of memory on the M2 Pro
- 96GB on the M2 Max
- 192GB on the M2 Ultra
*96GB of memory on a 16" laptop*
Some windows laptop even had 128 gb of ram
This M2 SOC with 24Gb of RAMâŠ..if it is inserted into the same body of the Mac Mini will obviously cost more money but will have over a decade of support from Apple which for consumers who donât want to get caught up in tick-took hardware envy.
Letâs hope Apple can keep the hardware price down to say ÂŁ400 above the original M1 Mac Mini basic config plus Applecare costs.
i really like the mini and studio formats. dual monitors will hopefully be extended to three with a Max Mini Pro type unit.
Apple should hire you for the next wwdc!
U got it correct that m1 was based on a14 and m2 is based on a15. For some reasons literally every other utuber believes m1 and m2 are both based on a15.
When will MBA-M2 orders start?
PLEASE no music behind any narration. You're hyper enough đ