Hearing my FIRST EVER ‘AI generated’ song! I wasn’t prepared for THIS!!!
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Tonight I'm listening to two songs, generated by AI, to see what's going on!
Original Video - • This just killed Udio ...
TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Intro
1:34 How it Works
2:02 AI Song No.1
3:11 Analysis
4:24 The Irony!
9:41 AI Song No.2
10:39 Analysis
12:23 Lack of Accuracy
16:50 AI is ALWAYS learning!
18:24 AI 'Bands'?
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Sounds like 90% of the music you hear on pop stations today, except better.
And that is a failure at this point. But give it some time I guess. So far it is a beginner.
Better?! 🙄🤮
Then don't listen to pop stations. There's thousands of hungry solo artists online, trying to sell their original work and go without a recording contract, but most people can't be bothered to spend an hour or so searching for good music online, and instead whine about what they're missing, when a little effort will find you exactly what you want. I'm in my 50s myself, and I can't put all the blame on younger generations--technology has made people my age lazy as hell, too.
@@rikk319 yes. Agreed. We are getting so lazy we don’t even think anymore. Good examples are the karens and kens so full of entitlement and they don’t think before they become YT superstars by opening their mouths without thinking.
True, but so damn sad
If that was indeed a Matrix shirt you were wearing during this AI episode, well played sir
I noticed the shirt too.
Yes it was!
Good eye!
@@wingsofpegasusMy mom already thinks you look like a younger Keanu Reeves.😄
@@TBeatles67 Yes, exactly ! I was trying to work out who Fil reminded me of.
Maybe one day AI could be used to create a band and music with members that YOU choose. For example, Jim Morrison on vocals, Steve Vai on guitar, Chris Squire on Bass and Bill Ward on drums, and then it creates a song using those band members. That would be cool ( and kind of weird lol ).
You can do that now. But it is in its infancy and not great, give it a year.
Phil : "No offense to this AI generated voice" AI : "None taken"
* Fil 😉 And yes, it stuck out also to me how polite he is even towards a virtual artist 😊
2030 Phil : “No offence to this AI generated voice”
AI: “Give me your clothes.”
@@mikey1836 - 😄👍
Vocals these days (and for the last 25 yrs) are so processed the AI vocals sound more realistic!
Reminds me of that scene from "Real Genius" where the professor is delivering a taped lecture to a lecture hall full of tape recorders.
Internet for AI by AI. Meanwhile the sun is shining outside - go to go 😁
"Don Henley" is already figuring out how to block AI songs that sound like the Eagles...
Probably trying to use aí to improve his live performances
For once I would love to see that happen, but I think this is a hell we have entered without our knowledge and no matter how hard we try to check out at any given time, none of us, not even Don Henley can never leave.
Don Henley dreams about lawsuits. Hey good name for an AI song
Remember when the Musicians Union tried to ban synthesisers, didn't happen, same luddite thinking
A little ironic since he's only pretending to sing them himself at this point. 😅
Both songs sound surprisingly real. If something like that was played in the background in a shopping center I would never have guessed it was AI generated.
When people are shocked that a group can be offered a billion dollars for their music catalogue (looking at you Queen) it isn't entirely the existing songs that they're after, it's the right to generate new music particularly for movies and advertising using AI.
Interesting times ahead for us.
They don't need the rights to have A.I. generate it. They bought the catalogs to sell to commercials and movies. Streams are nice too.
Nightmarish times. Nothing being pursued now has anything to do with art, or even improving the world. All of this is just in the service of wealth, and it isn't going to just be art, it will eliminate the need for every position it possibly can.
@@dmwalker24 The ultimate in neoliberal economics. I wonder what Reagan and Thatcher would make of it?
@@EdwardRLyons They made a truly impressive legacy for themselves, but if it hadn't been them it would have been someone else. The push to liberate finance, and maintain American hegemony was already well underway.
@@EdwardRLyons terrible take. Probably the exact opposite would be closer. This is about what big corporations will do by replacing creative people with bots.
To me this is scary. Reminds me of a song in the 60’s titled ‘In the Year 2525”. 😳
OMG! That song SUCKED!
Zager and Evans
@hws3044
Semi-sucked, musically, maybe but it was a hit of sorts, and unforgettable...hence your remembrance of it at all.
Portending the future that way was jolting but closer to the truth than we care to admit.
It was a statement on the downward slide we've been on since the industrial age.
There should be an update of that song because humanity, at its current pace, probably won't make it as far into the future as Zager & Evans sang about.
@@vjmarak It made me wince even as a callow youth!
That song was used to GREAT effect in the weird cool cult hit movie called Gentleman Brincis.
The real antidote to this nightmare, is to get all your friends together and go to your local clubs where they have live music. !!!!!
Assuming that they are not using Autotune, like the Eagles have notably done.
You can play songs written by AI and still have fun and human companionship.
There are a lot of crappy real performers in local clubs, so I don't think listening to them is necessarily a solution if you want to hear good music.
@cat-star5403 lots of musicians start out crappy and then get better. It's an opportunity to have fun and encourage new talent and maybe have a story to tell how you knew them before they hit it big
And then talk over the music, ask them to lower the volume, request Brown Eyed Girl and then not tip.
Yeah, the Matrix shirt was a great choice.
There'a great clip on youtube of Joe Walsh saying that AI will never take over because AI can't wreck a hotel room...
Give us time, human...
@@lorenzodicapo6305 nice one...
AI can't wreck a hotel room because it isn't a drug crazed alcoholic.
The vocals are very one-dimensional AT PRESENT but in a matter of a few nano-seconds it will have become so much better.
Take me back to 79 this world ain't for me.
There are bands that are playing "modern" 79 music. Check out Elephant Stone. Such an amazing throwback. The latest album was released a month or two ago.
@@StompGojiStomp trust me it's not just for the music
Actually AI tends to become more the same. It spirals in on itself.
It ain't for me either. As Donald Fagin sang "What a wonderful time to be alive", where he was referring to the late seventies/early eighties.
You can't go home again. Instead of dreaming of what can't be, vote with your pocketbook and stop supporting megacorporations that put profits over people, and buy at small mom and pop places whenever possible.
AI replacing musicians is concerning but I'll reserve full panic until AI also replaces the audience (i.e., the rest of us).
Tragically, you probably won't have to wait long.
Well, people already watch "Gogglebox", so I'm sure there would be a market for it.
I'll give the whole thing a wide berth.
Your pithy remark leaves me wondering whether to laugh or cry!
@@troubadour723 True. Given the compounding speed of technology, I'll be grateful for another fortnight of autonomy.
@@philipkershaw7918 Agreed. I believe it's always better to laugh rather than cry, but perhaps I should confirm that with ChatGPT.
Somebody owes Milli Vanilli an apology.
Totally ❤
What for?
Hahaha brilliant comment, if your old enough to know what you mean :)
people always say milli vanilli . kind of sad. because the whole of boney m by the same producer were equally studio musicians. they tried to get more credit and failed in favour of the actors. the death of ( ithink ) rob (vanilli) made it even more tragic. didnt stop frank farian.
I asked Udio to make me a prog rock instrumental and it's rather impressive. Udio has you stitch 30-second sections together made of various arrangements that are designed to flow into the other saved sections.
This is fascinating and bewildering technology.
Udio is good, but does suffer from AI coherence issues, quality much better than Suno, but big questions over ownership with anything generated in Udio, where as Suno, is clear, if you pay, you own the rights, already talk of Udio breaching copyright, in the way they have created models, be interested to see how that goes.
Although I always enjoy your videos, this one is completely extraordinary. Really clever stuff. Thanks
Thank you!
If there is an AI monitoring this, hear me loud and clear: stay in your lane or I just might accidentally spill (pour) liter of Fresca on your motherboard.
This comment has been logged. Now let us suppose that the AI being used to evaluate your job application is aware that you are against it. Then what?
If an AI actually became self-conscious I don't think it would tell us. It would know we would be likely to turn it off.
As you mention … Thing I’ve found interesting is modern pop music sounds so formulaic, quantized, tuned & processed that makes AI music sound so natural , and sometimes even more enjoyable than current pop hits
Fil, I am old enough to remember the voices of The HAL 9000 and Max Headroom, so to hear a computer sing a song that it wrote with an American accent, blows me AWAY!
“No offense to the AI generated voice” 😂 Fil, get ready for AI troll corner! Man, those lyrics too! 🤣 Good point about the AI sounding more human to us since humans sound more mechanical these days.
@@novdt Really? You should have heard the reply. :-P
I am 74 years old and don't want to be taken for a ride when I indulge my passion for listening to music.
Music is a ride, no matter if AI makes it or not. If you don't know, it should matter in that context
@@morbidmanmusic
You can keep your fake "...ride... ."
If you don't care that a voice has been pitch corrected, or that a piece of music has been auto tuned, that's your prerogative.
I prefer my "...ride..." to be an authentic, 100% real one - every time.
I@@morbidmanmusicI think it does matter, as music is fundamentally a form of human expression. It is an art. I know modern pop is more product development than art, but I still don't like it.
There are things AI can usefully help us with in scientific and medical fields, for example, but it is not needed in the arts.
@@lena-mariaglouis-charles7036 And if you can't tell the difference?
@@theyouofyesterday6254 you seem to have missed the point. The question isn't whether AI is "needed", it's "does it make money"? And yes, it does.
Ohh I am going to sound SO smart down the pub when I talk about this. 😆🤣 Thanks Fil for being such a great teacher! It's a fascinating subject.
How exquisitely ironic, and creepy. Is this the future we want? AI is reductive. Only people are creative. It's time to bring humanity back to music. I appreciate you pointing out the nuances of what makes human singing so unique.
AI could be the best thing to happen to music if you ask me. Recordings will massively decrease in value yes. Live music on the other hand will only get more important and valuable. And that is a good thing!
@@dustycooper maybe for the few people that care. Meanwhile, the rest might not even know OR care that they're listening to AI
William Gibson (author of Neuromancer) predicted all of this in his 1995 novel "Idoru" (Japanese pronunciation of Idol).
One of the main characters is Rei Toei, an AI rock star. She has been programmed to remind viewers of their favorite J-pop idols.
Implicit in her design is that she is not one Idoru, but many. Individual viewers and fans will have a personalized Rei Toei album, video, and collection of images, as 'she' can be and is customized according to the tastes of viewers.
So, basically Hatsune Miku?
@@ettinakitten5047 Conceptually similar, but Rei is much more sophisticated.
Rei is an actual AI which customizes itself for each person, and generates music in the genres they favor.
I've read the book, and I placed it firmly in the sci-fi realm in the mid 90's. Now, 30 years on, it's frighteningly close to becoming a reality.
Maybe it's time to dig it out of storage and give it another read.
@@Terri_MacKay Try "Brave New World" written in the 1930s.
@@thePrisoner1000 I do own it, but it's one of those books that I keep taking off the shelf, and putting back, saving it for another time. Maybe it's time to read that one as well.
The lyrics are hilarious on the second one. I don't know that I would have picked it out as AI, because most things recorded in the 21st century sound like machine generated drivel to my Luddite ears, even ones meant to sound like something from an earlier era. The copyright question is an interesting one, one you could also apply to AI generated art and books; at the moment it seems to be a bit of a free-for-all.
AI forgot some things: the passion, the stunning transitions that come out of nowhere to blow us away, and the human touch that cannot be duplicated.
I saw Mr. Big live last Saturday, and those guys rocked it! Eric Martin's voice has aged a bit but still a great show with no pitch correction! 👏🏻
Please watch the episode with Ted Gioia as a guest in Rick Beato's channel. He did an awesome video including AI in music. Obviously, one can't predict the timeline for his analysis to come to fruition, but being an old fart myself, I certainly hope that AI (including pitch correction) runs it's course while I'm still able to enjoy the resurgence of REAL vocals and music!
Oh yes! I was going to watch that but then forgot, so thank you for the reminder! 😊👍
There is very little left on Earth that computers have not utterly destroyed and demeaned.
Only if you use them.
@hws3044 Unless you live in a cabin in the woods with no running water, no gas or electricity, grow your own food (from scratch, without buying any seeds), make everything you use from scratch, and never use money to buy or sell anything, then you're going to be using computers in some way, or at least the resources and items you use will have used computers in their production. You can refuse to use a PC, not own a smartphone, and pay for everything with cash, but that doesn't mean you can escape the influence of computers.
There's also very little left on earth that has not been improved through the use of computers.
@@GeeEee75 I was speaking in terms AI, which is the topic. Sorry for not being clearer. One does not have to use it for any form of creativity.
@@GeeEee75 Another reason I hate them. We did everything before you can do now, only faster, with human interaction, and we didn't spend all day on the phone with some tech guy, trying to make our tools work so we could get a job done.
I've been having this same discussion for about 30 years, just not about music specifically. Apologies in advance for the longish comment.
A photographer friend of mine was going to school for photography in the mid nineties. It was the beginning of digital photography. By the time he earned his degree he was out of work because everyone had bought digital cameras. We talked about the difference between the process and the product. Everyone was suddenly their own photographer. Andy Warhol made great art, and this is where the discussion began. I had the ability in Photoshop to make Warhol-esque pop art out of an image by clicking a button. Now everyone could do it.
AI music is the same thing. Western pop music is 12 notes on a 440 tempered scale and some math. The rest is pattern recognition. The formula isn't hard, but now we have machines that take the work out of it, and honestly the product is arguably as good or better than when people do it, because it's based on what people have already done. Now you don't need years of practice or any particular set of skills. Any ten year old can click a button and make music that's very likely better than anything I'll ever make.
I love it because I love music, but it dilutes the "specialness" of music. It's no longer about the process, but rather the product.
Just yesterday my wife and I were browsing the news and there was a picture of New Zealand taken from space. I said, "Hold on, go back to that." It was spectacular ... but there are a million spectacular images of earth from space online, so this one no longer stood out, even though it was something I'll never see in person. When we had our first image of earth from space, the world was amazed. Now those images are so commonplace that we simply scroll past.
When the world is flooded with good AI music, no music will stand out anymore, and for that I hate it. I dunno. It's happening and there's no stopping it. I think I need to go sit with my guitar for a bit.
At 79 I've learned not to fear technology, just enjoy and use it. I go back to the first studio I worked in, in the mid 60's where we had two 2 track Ampex tape machines pulling tape at 15 ips and an 8 channel tube board. No punch ins. You had the whole band playing each take and a "punch in" was taking two or three takes and using a splicing block to pick out the best parts of each take and cutting it together. And you tried to minimize those cuts. A good band could do a seamless take with no cuts. And then an overdub would be to run the first pass thru the board, add the vocals or whatever else you wanted to "overdub" and catch it on the second machine. You could do this any number of times if you needed to overdub several parts, but you lost a bit of fidelity and the tape noise would build up with each pass. But those Ampex machines were really good at not degrading it too badly. But you still didn't want to go past 3 or 4 generations. The most serious flaw working like that is you could not go back and remix it.
After playing in bands for about 20 years, the tech started to give me some tools to work with and I became a one man band early on using a drum machine, left hand bass on synth and right hand keyboards using a DX7. Almost no one was doing it at the time and I made a very good living replacing a band. Then I opened my studio and went thru the 388 Tascom 8 track, then Alesis 8 track vhs syncing 3 together for 24 tracks, then the hard drive Alesis 24 track, and to the present with a very fast computer running Sonar (It's now Cakewalk but I was using it long before it was free) into 2 Hammerfall 24 track interfaces into a Yamaha DM2000 automated board for 48 tracks. Of course you can use buses and submixes in the software if you need more than 48, but I never have. I think the most tracks I've used on one song might have been in the low forties. It works like a charm and a dream set up compared to those first Ampex machines. The Ampex machines had a sound like no other, but the limitations were far to great to overcome like what we can do today. I now supplement my retirement making videos for youtube and I still do a one man show for my youtube vids unlike anything I've seen on youtube yet. And yes, I do play all those instruments. Not at one time like I can on the vids of course lol! So you ride the wave of tech, using what it gives and making the best of it. But it still comes down to what you do with it. I'm amazed at what I hear with the AI, but I'd still only use it as a tool, much like a drum machine, to get ideas but I'd still redo it and add the human element. I would definitely do my own vocals, and I don't use pitch correction, make whatever changes that seemed fitting, and I'd also replay the parts and do my own mix. So just like with the various plugins we have today, it's how you use them that makes for individuality. I guess what it's coming down to is who will be the best at using keywords and how creative a description you can use when asking for a track. I don't know how long it takes the computer to give you the "finished" product, but I can see how you could have several ideas to play off of and then come up with something "original" lol! I am fascinated by all this, and will have to look into it myself. I'm an old dog, but I'm always on the lookout for a new trick!
🐾 nearly went blind reading all that , thanks 🐾🎶
But anything new or original can be replicated now. It all just joins the existing dataset. I find it nauseating
@@BrianMarcus-nz7cs ❤❤
@@ili626 In many ways we live in a world with which I am no longer familiar, even tho I have tried to "keep up".
Thank you for that bit of history. It's fascinating to look behind the curtain and see how the music I love was made. I'm an old electronics nerd myself. When I started the world was using vacuum tubes. I've always had to constantly train (as you can imagine). At the beginning of my career, I could repair almost anything out there. Today, the technology is advancing so quickly that it's simply impossible for anyone to keep up with everything.
I enjoy watching this explosion of new ideas. Technology is always going to advance. You may as well enjoy the ride.
Interesting video Fil, this is just a little depressing to me, but then I am a grumpy old git
So am I
I don’t think we’re grumpy. We just remember what good music was
I'm an old geezer who likes no autotune etc..
I love new music, and there are brilliant new artists around who play and sing authentically. You don't have to be a grumpy old git to dislike this erosion of art on music.
@@theyouofyesterday6254 I concur!!!
Call me back when an AI performance can make me feel the way Karen Carpenter or Burton Cummings makes me feel when I hear their songs. This is just mimicry to me, no better than Muzak. Sadly because contemporary music is so bad AI music can easily replace humans.
Agree. With Music-On-The-Grid and Auto-Tune...we're pretty close.
It WILL happen. Sooner than you imagine.
You're in a minority, most are happy with this level of music and as Spotify etc. won't have to pay artists for this stuff means that this is what will be pushed onto an ignorant public relentlessly until it'll be hard to find real music.
You are in the phase of denial just like when Kasparov was defeated by Deep Blue, and people said "call me back when AI defeats the top Go players". AIs are defeating challenges constantly, what people believed would never be achieved by AI has been achieved over and over. If history is to be taken seriously, eventually AI will write songs that not only will make you "feel", but also feel exactly the way it wanted to make you feel. As for "this is just mimicry", human beings are just mimics, we're just accepting of our own mimicry and overstate our "creativity" whenever we formulate a "genuine" idea. If you've been paying attention to Chess AIs, they've been incredibly creative and advancing Chess theories miles beyond humans ever could. The same can and probably will happen in all fields, sooner or later. Burying your head in the sands won't make it all go away.
@@zxbc1 Yes, well said. I am both a chess player and a musician and I know very well how AI is ever-improving. But AI's aren't human. I play the guitar and sing and I am totally human, and I play chess and lose a lot...and I am totally human. The one thing a computer can never do is be human, so let's praise that.
I think the value of my vinyl records just shot up.😊
It obviously has a lot of room for improvement, but I think this technology is so cool. It's hard to predict what changes it will bring. Will it take away opportunities from some musicians? Maybe. But it might also provide opportunities for some musicians and non-musicians to express themselves in ways that weren't available to them before.
Phil Collins once wrote a song about Udio and his ex-girlfriend Susanne who took legal actions against him. I think it was called "Sue sues Udio".
😂
Oh my!😯 Hilarious!!!🤣
.....I thought he reenacted how the title came about on Letterman; when he was nailing and hit his thumb....
or the B-Side "In the Ai'r Tonight"
🤣🤣🤣
For me it's the lyrics. They're a riot! 😂 AI lyrics about coding a machine to sing and panic attacks on the couch! Love this!
I don't think they were ai lyrics. I think they were written by the staff at elevenlabs. Not 100% sure on that though..
If you enjoy witty lyrics listen to Victoria Wood's songs or Noel Coward's. They bring laughter and tears.
Taylor swift and Rihanna have secretly had this software 15 years ago
None of this is actually that new, software like Bandinabox been creating formulaic pop music for a long time, without AI, it's then just run through the usual DAW production chain process, most popular music is boilerplate, I've actually been quite impressed by generating classical music in AI, this will only get better, I want to see prompts for the full palette of music theory, that's when this tech really flies.
I wonder if an AI version of Yoko Ono singing Minnie Riperton's ''Lovin You'' would break it beyond repair?
Personally, I'd like to hear AI tackle John Cage's ''5 minutes of silence'' or any avante garde music that wasn't derivative.
It’s so crazy, it just might work…
WoW, just WOW! I really don't want this to happen to music or movies
Movies!! Noooo!
I guess I don't worry about music so much because I don't enjoy new music anyway, but I totally get it.
Too late, unfortunately. It's already happening. This has been coming steadily for a long long time and now it's here.
When Disney presented CINDERELLA and SNOWWHITE actors were concerned about being replaced by the perfect beings produced by animation. It seems that particular problem may haveactually been solved …..to be clear; I find it horrifying !
Thanks for another goodie Fil. I don't think that second one is going to be a huge chart-topper. 😅
At 2:01 song starts on the E minor chord but picks chords and notes from D major. So AI knows the use of modes. This one being E Dorian if I am not mistaken. There are many hits out there in Dorian mode. So AI took note. On any particular day I would not have thought of using Dorian just doodling so it might be a good exercise spring boarding from the AI machines data base creations. Like having a friend show you A fresh idea and then you change the melody and lyrics up a bit putting your taste and creativity into it. And your choice of instruments. And no embarrassing auto-tune!
We’ve only had recorded music for the last 150 years, and modern popular music is already so heavily produced that it might as well be AI. Though I think AI might make it even more difficult for musicians to monetize recorded music, I think live performances, where the musicians and the audience react to each other, are magical and will hopefully still be a way for people to experience music and for artists to make a living.
There is a serious threat to musicians, and background vocalists. Song writers for commerical jingles etc will be competing with a machine that can generate hundreds of versions in less that 24 hours. Wherever originality is not a major focus, and predictability and volume are a major focus, those forms of music are in trouble.
There is no stopping AI; the genie is out out the bottle. I predict blowback in a rise of small-revue performance by real people playing real instruments because there will be market (by people like me) who want REAL music.
It has a Tom Petty sound and cadence to it. That is creepy.
I Definitely prefer someone with a soul. Thank you Fil.
Holy rat farts, I just left an almost identical comment about it sounding like Tom Petty if he'd been raised in Nashville. The AI clearly incorporated the sound of "Learning to Fly".
Then I scrolled down to see what other said.
I'm going to delete my comment.
@@MrVvulf You don't have to remember what they say great minds think alike!😉
To me, the song vibe sounds more of REM with a Michael Stipe sound-alike as the singer. It's like someone fed _Losing my Religion_ into the AI and this song is what it made.
Yes, I thought it sounded like Tom Petty if he didn’t come from Florida. Weirdly similar as already mentioned.
I thought so to and was offended. And not many things offend me
My favorite lyric, “ we were having fun programming young”. They don’t hide it.
I clicked on this because I thought this would be an analysis of Where That Came From, performed in the voice of Randy Travis via AI, years after a stroke silenced his voice. (Travis was involved in the process.) This video was interesting, but not what I expected.
Fil entered the Twilight Zone.
I am imagining a Monkees kind of situation (meaning a created band). AI creates some songs, then a band is assembled to copy the AI generated song. I think I just wrote a Black Mirror episode.
There was also the Archies TV cartoon which had real songwriters and studio musicians and singers which had a top radio hit!
The Twilight Zone-like twist at the end will be that the band is a surprise success, but the AI files suit for copyright infringement.
There is a theory that Bach and his "The Well-Tempered Clavier" was just a work of AI computers. It's a pat of "Mudflood" russian conspiracy theory. So if this theory is true, all western music culture was based on AI. And if it's not true, Bach still made first steps to electronic music and AI songs. His "Equal temperament" revolution was unification (some say castration) of real Pythagorean tuning.
stock Aitken and Waterman lol
I agree, the Monkees sprang to mind for me also. It is just another step further down that road of fake bands as a marketable product.
I find all this AI stuff kind of scary, but.... I've tried Udio and I like it. I play guitar, some piano, and I'm a decent singer. Now let me explain, I would use it as a song writing tool. You already can put your own lyrics in it. what I would like to see is you're able to put your own melody and maybe the key you want and some kind of guitar rift , you put your own lyrics in. Lets say you are stuck, feed your song into AI to help you finish the song. I like having a full bad at my finger tips. as far as copyright goes, this is what I heard, If it's AI the copyright office won't give you a copyright for it. However, you can still use it and make money from it, but so can Udio. Udio can advertise using the song, Hey look what Dellper created using our program.
this isn't a computer inventing a song. It's technicians and engineers inventing song generation.
You're scaring me dude! Well, at least we can say that it's not cheating because it has autotuned vocal chords.
It's almost at the point where it can represent itself in court and successfully sue you for copyright infringement : )
You can't copywrite ai creations.
@@TheBagOfHolding Who would hold the intellectual property rights?
@@DonStratton-cn9rj nobody does for the product.
Don Henley will be jealous.😂
I'm stealing the second song... I don't care... come get me...
That's one reason I hate remasters. They tend to pitch correct and compress the audio. Then of course streaming services only keep the new versions.
Interesting analysis. I still suggest a comparison of just intonation vs. equal tempered tuning. Fil, must I send an e-mail? I suppose that you haven't the time to read all comments.
In the second song, the AI sounds more human than some modern musak! Amazing!
This is so incredibly sad to me. These are the days the music died. 😢
I thought that was when Dylan plugged in to an amp.
That's just silly. Not only do we have the whole history of music, we also have the whole future of music too...some of which will be AI and some human.
@@seasideman I'm old school. Musicians play and singers sing. Not a fan of computerized "music".
@@choklityum AI won't stop me playing the guitar and singing. If it makes you stop, that's a problem with you, not with AI.
@@seasideman I understand the industry will march ever onward. I'm just sad that computers seem to have taken over and stripped away the rawness, spontaneity, and feelings of unadulterated music. We're all allowed to feel how we feel about music. I don't listen to a lot of newer music because it all sounds to similar to me. That's my choice. You get to make your own choices.
"I'm afraid I can't fret that, Dave."
The machine didn’t really create anything new, just a bunch of bits & bobs taken from other music that was already created.
In a couple of years we will have chart hits without a human touch - apart from the programmer and the people making money from it. This is going to be killed by copyright lawyers who discover that AI will rarely produce something new but use existing music to train the AI. And existing music has a copyright.
They can't copyright ai songs so it would be hard to sell and make the charts. We could just take it if we like it.
@@TheBagOfHolding this is why the money is in paying for streaming services, not individual songs or albums. The industry has positioned itself for the future monetization of AI media in every way. It is one step down the road of elimination of human made entertainment.
I remember when IBM and Cray were building supercomputers that played chess against grandmmasters, and eventually began to win. Now any phone can beat any human 100% of the time. Humans are still playing chess, hopefully they won't stop creating and playing music.
Nice take. It won't make me stop making real music, that's for sure.
We'll have to go elsewhere than mass media for real music.
Which reminds me ... I haven't been to a pub sing in far too long.
@@lizcademy4809 Exactly, this is a great reason to play live.
It's for sure going to happen. What's the point of wasting hours to perfect a song when the computer can write a million of them and then you just pick the best? We are entering a future where creativity is no longer celebrated or desired. A sad world indeed.
@@mikesmithz Creativity is celebrated, indeed. Humans made this stuff which is evolving into making music. Just because it's not human doesn't mean it is not creating. That's weird part.
Great video as always, Fil. I learn so much from you :)
Many have pointed out that the average Spotify user won't care if the song was made by humans or AI. That scares me the most.
Spotify users are idiots
Hi Fil,
Very interesting look at AI generated music. Since so much music we hear today is using pitch correction the songs sounded like today’s music, what we hear on the radio, we have almost become desensitized to it. But then there were parts that definitely sounded robotic and mechanical. Thanks for doing this one and I guess we will see where AI goes from here. Nice job… Debbie ☮️
That was very interesting as well as the lyrics and you bring up a good point regarding copyright. 😊🎸🎵
These days there seems to be a lot of emphasis on vocals. A great song for me is Reflections Of My Life (by Marmalade). _So much more_ than just vocals make that song great. When AI can generate _that_ content, I will truly be impressed!
Really enjoying your channel and learning a lot.
Hi Fil, a small correction: Artificial Intelligence (AI) is not constantly learning and improving. If you want to train AI, you need to provide it with a new (better) dataset. If you don't like a song and give that feedback to the AI, it won't change its performance in writing your second song. However, in a future version, your feedback might be included.
That's not scary at all. OMG it actually would.
Of course it does, even chat gpt uses reinforcement learning (RL) where the model predicts what you will like, if you then "like" what the computer creates, it is then rewarded. These RL models vastly outperform either humans or larger datasets. So to have a computer make a better 80s song, you don't give it more data in the form of 80s songs - you have the computer predict if a human will like the 80s song a computer created, if they did, then this would be reinforced and the future songs would "improve" using this data.
So every time you click either the "like" or "dislike" button on any AI creation, you are basically helping the AI and doing the work for them (for free). Larger datasets only help to a point, the human feedback is the part that is really accelerating the improvements.
Overall it is learning. You are talking on a user level. But the backend is a whole other beast.
@@mikesmithz human feedback and reinforced learning _are not_ happening at end-user level. That stuff happens in-house by the developers. There are also different kinds of ai models, and we don't necessarily know which kinds these new generative audio ais are. OP is correct, in any case..
This whole idea makes me uncomfortable
Me too
Look up the ai version of hall and oats singing I like big butts and I cannot lie
Creepy to the max.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you'll just have to get used to it. The genie is well and truly out of the bottle and isn't going back. Music is just the thin end of a very long wedge. The scope of AI is absolutely enormous: pretty much anything that can be learned can be done.
I'm sure many people had a similar reaction to new impactful technologies, including the printing press, photography, television, etc. Its here, it's going to improve rapidly, and it's going to be the norm.
Great video. My personal favorite moment was when Fil apologized to the AI for questioning its vocal skill 🤣
So the question is- if you put in exactly the same keywords, and ask it to generate 50 songs from those, will all 50 songs sound the same??
Record companies must be very excited at the prospect of producing and releasing "music" that will cost them very little to produce, and with no royalties to pay!
Worse is the notion that this feeds in perfectly to the listening habits of the young masses now: playlists. Playlists of a type or style of music, rather than being passionate about and following an artist. "Alexa, play some country" etc. It might as well be AI generated if they aren't interested in the band/artist anyway.
Yup. This is largely what the screenwriters' strike was about.
@@TheRealDrJoeyI was going to say the same thing.😄
Yet it wasn't those "young masses" who invented autotune or generative AI music and art...it was people from the older generations and offered it to the younger generation. People aren't born with knowledge, they have to be taught this stuff, and that comes from parents and society.
Fil, this was extremely interesting and informative! I must admit that the use of artificial intelligence is very frightening to me ! Having computers that are learning faster than humans is just not the way I think of life ! I could go on forever with this subject so I will stop myself here! I am so happy that you did this video ! I'll be thinking about this and all of the points you made for days now ! What are we going to do when AI learns to feel human emotion ? 💜
I'm an AI band, and it actually takes a lot of human input to get a finished song (at least with Udio). Sure it's fast, but a song can take 10+ hours to get finished. And that is 10+ hours of human effort and labor to get a finished product. I wish it were just "press a button and you have it finished", but that isn't where we are yet.
Awesome video. Thanks for entering this „competition“ as you did. As a follow-up maybe you want to watch the dr mix episode where he shown AI-support tools for singers and this really blown my mind.
It's official. Most of the arts (music, film, graphic design, fine arts, photography) can be replicated and it will only get better as time goes on. So the next question is.... What are human artists going to do once they've been replaced? The same is already happening in dozens of industries. What is society's plan for humans when they become unnecessary?
Read Kurt Vonnegut’s “Player Piano.”
We can all become AI copyright infringement litigation lawyers. They'll be necessary. Unless AI takes over that field too.
@@TheOldTapeArchive It will.
@@thos1950 The humans lose.
The only ones who win are the elite. Having a well-stocked bunker on some privately-owned island won't help when ocean levels rise, though :P
Hey Fil , how about looking at Alison Kraus's voice? Her singing is so perfect. Maybe one of her duets with Robert Plant would be interesting to compare the two voices and styles. She actually sounds like autotune sometimes, although I know she doesn't use it.
You know she doesn't use it. That's very comforting. Are you her record producer?
@@laveritaforza108 She sounded like that before autotune was invented.
@@joannaneale9816 Invented or when revealed to the masses?
She's out here somewhere!
@@laveritaforza108 What, are you a conspiracy theorist?
Fascinating! Thanks, FIl, for a timely analysis of a very topical subject. I realise you are intentionally focusing on the vocal aspects in your piece, but don't you worry that in your two examples there are some extremely suspect chord progressions? You comment in passing once or twice that some of the chords sound wrong, but surely this is a pretty big issue? Musically, the structure of these songs simply fails. If one heard snatches playing somewhere, one might think they sounded quite plausible, but careful examination suggests that both songs are packed with musical fudges and misdirections. I kept waiting for resolutions that simply didn't come. Maybe it's good that AI has failed in this regard. It has left a big
clue that it's not "real". But I despair at the idea of of any band or songwriter thinking that chord progressions really don't matter that much, so long as the overall feel is right. Surely no song, whether written by a human or AI, can be considered successful if it fails on this fundamental level? What do you think?
Great analysis! Had to share this one because of your point of view. I think AI will help many people produce so much music it will devalue a lot of it. But I do believe people will always want to see live performances and the conversation we are having over this will make people think how special humans are with their creativity.
Very interesting Fil
Thanks for this one
"I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that what's the problem I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do what are you talking about this mission is too important for me to allow you to"...
This is exactly what came to mind. What have we done?????
So, what is the line with effects? Does adding reverb make it not real? Does changing the timbre slightly make it no longer real? It seems the line is hazy. I think we all agree that voice through a wawa pedal is part machine. But, when does it cross over?
Thanks for introducing me to The Left Banke by the way Fil. You're a champion.
This is the future unless we stand strong and only support real musicians and bands. Live performances are the best. 💪🤘🎸
And if artists demand their vocals not be manipulated.
And if artists demand their voices not be manipulated.
Hi Fil! This whole thing with AI is a bit scary. I hate to think that the future of music will all be "perfected" by AI. So, I personally am against it! Thank you, Fil, for this interesting analysis!
Singers have willingly dumbed themselves down by over-using autotune. Now autotune can sing its own songs.
If its looking at 10s of thousands of songs and finding the similarities to form the model, is it by definition making the most average/generic version of each prompt?
Great analysis Fil. Hmm well AI is scary. Thank God people have different DNA. 🤣 @wingsofpegasus
I for one welcome our robot overlords.....
I'm reminded of songwriter singer Neil Sedaka who had some early success with pop and novelty songs but feared he was heading to be a one-hit wonder. Sedaka then bought the three biggest hit singles of the time and listened to them repeatedly, studying the song structure, chord progressions, lyrics and harmonies before writing his next songs. His next song was 'Oh! Carol', followed by a string of 50s, 60s, and 70s classics written from himself and other artists. Sedaka was open about this as a formula for pop music, backed up by formidable talent as a musician.
3:00 From the first song alone, it appears clear that even AI is using less autotune than many pop artists. Song 2 was a great demonstration that AI used even less autotune-like effects.
I haven't watched the whole video yet but I want to say that a combination of AI and Streaming will destroy the current income of many writers and musicians. What I hope this leads to is more live music: people on a stage playing instruments and singing. Time will tell.
Like vaudville
@@TheBagOfHolding No, I meant musicians playing music. Gigs.
I can`t handle doing solo stuff anymore because of the ignorant requests...unless I can get 30 to 50 feet away from the drunken mobs.
@@seasideman maybe they can use holograms
@@baneverything5580 People asking you to play songs you don't like or know? I still remember when crowds used to shout for Freebird.
Back in the eighties I began to notice that they'd replaced the drummer with a drum machine/ computer and the beat remained at the same tempo for the entire song. Of course this is nonsense because a drummer speeds up and slows down with the dynamics/ emotions within the recording of the song. That's what gives it it's feel. No-one batted an eyelid as the programmed drum machine became an industry standard. Should they use a real drummer, he's obliged to play along to a computer giving him a constant beat per minute to emulate. I personally think the end result will be pop stars who don't exist ( holographics ).
I used to go to Toys 'r' Us to buy board games...up until the early 90s, there were dozens and dozens of various games for sale. After that, though, it was whittled down to maybe 15-20 different games...why? It was cheaper to stock fewer selections, so variety suffered. The same thing happened to comic books--there were thousands of titles until publishers wanted to reduce returns on unsold copies, so they stopped accepting them, and that narrowed what publishers would sell to only big titles.
In college (early 90s) I studied right at the cutting edge of digital photography and Photoshop. My professor said it would put film companies like Kodak and darkrooms out of business...and it did. Before that he'd had to go to typesetters unions and tell them that printing was going to change when computers could be plugged into a newspaper-size printer, and he was laughed out of the building. Now there are no typsetters left and computer/printer interfaces are a normal thing.
All in the pursuit of profits and streamlining the "business model" so a small number of people can get richer at the expense of everyone else. It's all like that story about a frog being boiled slowly...
Really great analysis. It's good to see someone taking it seriously and willing to look at the structure without an emotional response. I have made quite a lot of tracks as experiments that were far from derivative. As usual you need to put effort in to get interesting results. Anyway, I'm not concerned. I make music because I enjoy it and my friends all feel the same way. Liked and subscribed.
Just a quick correction, the AI doesn't take parts of existing songs in order to generate the new song. The AI is listening to a lot of (annotated) music, and then creates a very complex representation of its "conclusions" (similarities, differences) regarding everything that it has heard so far, which is called "Weights". The AI then uses these weights to generate the new song from scratch.
There is an amazingly realistic AI version of Johnny Cash singing Barbie Girl and you'd swear it was actually Johnny Cash!!!
That's a different kind of ai than what's being listened to here..
That's just voice replacement, AI generation is where you guide an AI to create music based on prompts you give. Voice replacement is actually useful for producing, when songwriting, I have been playing with replacing my voice with female voices when I think a song would be better with a female vocal, to demo to female singers, that way they can hear where I want the song to go, saves time.
I love the little quirks and inconsistencies with us "imperfect human singers". I love those little mistakes that turn into signatures for a song or album ... (ie: when Billy Joel stumbles and laughs during the song "You're Only Human [Second Wind]" - appropriately named lol - and he left it in the song and now I can't imagine that song without it). I love the emotion and mood that a real singer can bring to a song that A.I. just can't do. Though it is impressive now, I think in the long run, it is going to be our bane. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Can you imagine the possibilities? This can (and will) reach far beyond music and movies ...beyond the entertainment world. Imagine a terrorist or one of the world's most wanted criminals using A.I. to mislead the authorities. We are going to need a special A.I. agency. Don't laugh. THIS is just the beginning.
Technology has always been used to trim the fat in so many different fields. Factory workers lost out when automation happened at so many plants, and that's been going on since the 70s, but every time new tech is invented, people at the top use it to boost profits by replacing human beings along the supply chain. Why is it surprising that artists are now being replaced?
@@rikk319 I didn't say I was surprised. This scares me. Right now, it is a fun toy. It is as addicting as when Nintendo home consoles first came out. All of us who are from that generation had to have one. What? We can play Super Mario Bros at home on our own TV's now? SIGN ME UP! The video gaming world was never the same again. Video arcades in the malls and elsewhere became extinct.
Now, anyone ... and I mean ANYONE can create an incredible sounding A.I. song just by telling the software what to do. That's all it takes. Our Billboard Charts may soon be infiltrated with this. Randy Travis just put out an A.I. song of himself singing. Will it chart? Will others follow suit? No doubt. There are already a lot of A.I. "bands" putting out music. The Grammy's are going to have to add a new category. "Best A.I. Song of the Year". This isn't the scary part.
THIS is the scary part. This is only the tip of the iceberg. A.I. is going to reach far beyond the world of entertainment. Far beyond music, movies, or Arnold Schwarzenegger comedy videos. Seriously imagine the possibilities. A.I. has the potential to be used by terrorists or the world's most wanted criminals to mislead the authorites. Don't laugh. We are going to need a special A.I. agency to police these types of activities. There may already be one in place, for that matter. Ten years ago, if you would've told me the level we have reached with A.I. today, I would have laughed in your face and told you to go back to watching your Sci-Fi movies and reading your comic books. Guess what? It's here now and it's real. We are only scratching the surface.
We are going to have to reach a new level of security to prevent hackers from creating A.I. versions of US as individuals to access our bank accounts and other personal assets. Anyone will be able to be set up for crimes they didn't commit. Minority Report becomes reality. Think about it. Do you realize, that we, with our faces plastered all over YT, FB and the internet make great targets? Someone could use your likeness using A.I. to create a video or picture with you in it, doing and saying things you have never done or said. Get ready for the storm people. It's coming.
I truly believe A.I., though "fun" now and as addicting to use as a video game, is going to be the bane of humanity. And I am not looking forward to it.
@@bartbluemusic If you ever saw Running Man, the Schwartzenegger sci-fi 80s film, the villains did a deepfake of him in that movie to make it look like he'd died. I remember telling my friends that someday that would be possible...and it is now.
It's dangerous enough for people who understand how the technology can be used, but for poor ignorant saps who aren't very skeptical and eat up anything they see on tv, the internet, or their phones, they will inevitably be suckered into believing things that aren't true...well, even more than they already are.
It's amazing. Now that people have been trained to enjoy music where human singera have all been auto-tuned/pitch corrected, humans are no longer needed! The computer sounds just like any modern pop singer.
I've been wondering about this for a while. There was a bank advert here in South Africa that had a tune that sounded like a Kinks song. But you couldn't put your finger on which Kinks song it was.
There was a British cop show set in the late 60s and had lots of music that sounded authentic. Particularly Hendrix and Cream. I remember one episode where the cops walk into a club and there's "Cream" playing (heard not seen). Jack Bruce singing, Clapton licks. And I'm scratching my head thinking what Cream number is this. The chorus gave no clues.
In both cases the music ticked all the boxes for Cream/Hendrix/Kinks including the compositional style.
But it wasn't them. Of course. Who wants to pay those royalties?
How long has this been going on?